micro 858: silver 3 (ended game)

[Merry and Pippin]

Merry head doesn't feel like being scumread for shitty reasons so I'm going to let Skitter play this slot until we're consensus town

GL hf

[Merry and Pippin]

Also

if you try to investigate us you're a moron

[Merry and Pippin]

why are you saying these things merry? i tend to think the players who skip out on early posting are the scums more often than random so this isn't helping me read you town.

I have a partner who won't be scumread for existing

Play with her

[Merry and Pippin]

ok jungle let's make a deal

you stop being an obnoxious fuck and I make sure you don't get lynched today

deal?

[Merry and Pippin]

Your iso makes me want to stab someone

[Merry and Pippin]

Oh yeah Skitter will probably hate me for posting angrily

I'll just be super nice Merry from now on ok

[Merry and Pippin]

VOTE: iconeum

how dare you vote for us you complete weapon

[Merry and Pippin]

To put this more politely

Do you realize that your superior tone is antagonizing the slaxx hydra

[Merry and Pippin]

lol

[Merry and Pippin]

Your tone is actually pretty grating and condescending

I don't feel like you're doing it intentionally necessarily

But it's probably something you should be aware of?

[Merry and Pippin]

Also for the record I have absolutely zero issues posting as scum. Being wary of me for not posting is really dumb. Skitter is always the more readable head of this Hydra.

[Merry and Pippin]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[Merry and Pippin]

I just realized something that I'll be intentionally vague on.

As an aside I feel like that discussion should wait until after the game.

[Merry and Pippin]

Hi Gemini how are you?

Thoughts on the Draco/JM spat?

[Merry and Pippin]

Uncertain and if he's scum I'd prefer him not to have an excuse to derptunneling because it makes him a lot harder to read

[Merry and Pippin]

I would not strategically make the comments that I made unless I was desperate. I would not make them if the realization had happened sooner. I'm reticent about citing examples because I have a lot to think about regarding the fact that your posting annoyed me so much.

[Merry and Pippin]

I think it would be super helpful to postpone this discussion until after the game.

[Merry and Pippin]

Uncertain and if he's scum I'd prefer him not to have an excuse to derptunneling because it makes him a lot harder to read

I don't recall you playing any games with me where I was scum, except the Nightless Marathon.

I know what I'm looking for.

[Merry and Pippin]

Who are your townreads? Brassherald and

[Merry and Pippin]

Why did you scumread my initial decision to stay out of thread until Skitter establishes us as town?

[Merry and Pippin]

Or was that just rhetoric?

[Merry and Pippin]

Posting 450 times to get conditionally townread seems a lot more painful and less fun than having Skitter pop into thread and instantly be town locked

[Merry and Pippin]

I am the single easiest person on this site to townread

[Merry and Pippin]

your mom is brassherald

[Merry and Pippin]

All posting so far is merry

I'll get Pippin to sign her?his? posts

[Merry and Pippin]

I wasn't sure if I should gender it based on Pippin or Skitter.

[Merry and Pippin]

jungle medicine what do you think that vedith's no lynch says about his alignment

[Merry and Pippin]

also if we dicerolled to determine the scum, would we be using real dice or like random.org

[Merry and Pippin]

why are we town?

[Merry and Pippin]

my understanding would be that you would attempt to read this hydra based on Skitter's posting instead of mine, and she has not yet posted.

am I wrong to think that?

[Merry and Pippin]

@schadd

skitter is vla fridays and saturdays!

No lynch is the name.of Brass main so I'm basically lynching Brass.

as i read through i originally thought you wanted to, like, no lynch rn and i was wondering why on earth you thought that was a good way to start off day1 until i read this

==

I can confirm that Vedith is town. Iconeum on the other hand...

VOTE: Iconeum

why is vedith town?
i didn't think iconeum's posts thus far are much ai tbh, why are you voting him here?

==

brass feels kinda townie to me; i think he comes off better in the vedith/brass/no lunch thing

==

JM saying my joke TR on Vedith was not to be trusted and calling three players obvtown on page 2 is lulz

kinda disagree tbh; jungle feels kinda townie to me actually

it's kinda hard to put into words but his posts have this self-awareness that's almost too .... sassy? to come from scum. too cheeky? idk the right word exactly but he's like poking fun at various mafia tropes (like in 44 as a reaction to getting two votes, or 46 as a reaction to the person he's voting calling him a sheep) and like the overall tone doesn't really feel like it comes from scum to me

or like 77 too
==

The wagon he is on.

... isn't he voting you?

==

i'd like to know your thoughts on roster. i feel like he's lying low & making some opportune votes but i can't really tell because i've been laser focusing his posting. what's your impression?

didn't really get his iconeum vote in the beginnign b/c it felt at least in part to be serious and i didn't really feel like iconeum's posts at that point had been much ai
don't particularly like his hop onto your wagon either; it felt kinda like easy
==

Oh yeah Skitter will probably hate me for posting angrily

I'll just be super nice Merry from now on ok

yeah let's not

==

Your tone is actually pretty grating and condescending

I don't feel like you're doing it intentionally necessarily

But it's probably something you should be aware of?

ngl i think the tone is pretty townie tbh
i don't really read it as grating or condescening, it's more like self-aware and meta-y and i think it's kinda funny; it's the sort of thing that i associate with scum only when they're *very very very* confident in their scumgame; like they're the sort of posts i can see *you* as scum when you're like in a more troll-y/light-hearted mood but for the most part tho i feel like posting like that as scum requires a certain lack of self-consciousness that i don't think most people have

tbf jm's pretty obviously an alt and i dont' know his scumrange but on balance i don't think this sort of tone usually comes from scum most of the time.

==

i'm townreading brass because he's an awkward mess as scum and that ain't him this game.

I feel like I should be offended.

The truth still hurts.

this is also townie imo

==

All posting so far is merry

I'll get Pippin to sign her?his? posts

I am confident in skitter being a her.

I think.

(i'm a she)

==

urap your posts/questions feel kinda banal and that's not what i'm used to from you (tbf my working sample size is kinda small but like ... you were a lot more impressive last time around)

==

vedith and brass im town leaning for their early interaction. Specifically brass' frustration and vedith backing off

scum reading jungle and maybe roster? gotta let that one percolate tho

-U2

i agree with brass
vedith kinda felt like he was trolling/antagonizing brass but i'm not sure that doing this is ai for him
don't really see the jungle scumread
roster is kinda meh

==

i don't have a read on vedith yet. you, luna, brass, & maybe draco are town. i'd personally use my own dice but if you wanted to use more advanced technology you could.

why luna? i don't think she's done much ai really. or at least she hasn't really posted anything i can read

==

insulting me plus leaving the town tells to skitter plus backing off doesn't seem like things you'd do as scum? and no you're wrong to think that i'd be looking to read based on both not just one and on that note don't get too comfortable yet because i'm looking to see town skitter confirm the read in her postings.

i'm around for a bit now

==

and i'm caught up!

[Merry and Pippin]

i'm really, really sorry gemini.

[Merry and Pippin]

VOTE: geminitwin12

[Merry and Pippin]

ayyy, skitter! =)

tbf jm's pretty obviously an alt

You think he's lying, then? This is kind of important for my read because if he's new I think he's significantly more likely to be town.

I think you're right about vedith being a bit troll-y not being ai . I don't think I've seen him as scum, but there's no way he doesn't do it as both alignments.

I think backing off the troll like that might be ai, tho.

-U2

he has a pretty good personality read on me that i'm a little dubious he'd be able to pick up on by just reading a few of my games in the past couple of days; it makes me think that he's actually played with me at some point

the one post i kinda maybe liked of vedith's was 35 because he's kinda aware that he's gone too far and backed off before he riled brass up *too* much

pedit this is skitter

[Merry and Pippin]

oh i didn't know you were still around.

I voted gemini.

[Merry and Pippin]

Hi Gemini how are you?

Thoughts on the Draco/JM spat?

Hello, Finally caught up on things, been busier than I expected.

On the surface it screams bs overall. Draco Lucky saying that Vedith is town for keeping promises really isn't a good enough reason. I can see why JM would think that's sketchy, odd that they think they're so sure because of it without at least some bg playing experience/meta with them but the issue I have is..JM said that Draco Lucky couldn't be trusted all the while voting for Rooster Fooster at the time..... (page 2) then What even is 75? The change of thought/flip/back tracking comes across as sketchy. Null on Jungle Medicine, tentative town-ish lean on Draco Lucky.

the conclusions of this post dont' match the rest of it

[Merry and Pippin]

If you're town, why wouldn't you be surprised that I'm voting you?

-Merry

[Merry and Pippin]

why luna? i don't think she's done much ai really. or at least she hasn't really posted anything i can read

thanks for asking this i've been looking forward to getting the question because it's one of those reads that's going to make everyone think i'm batshit. i

don't think minimalist posters like luna tend to read excessively-analytical spoilers like mine that closely as scum

nor do i think they'd respond with luna's understated approval plus a mixed tone of surprise & skepticism. it shows that she's reading quite closely & responding with natural emotions.

:squint:
bolded is ... a really weird opinion/conclusion that i'm not sure i agree with
i also just reread her posts like twice and i didn't really get that tone from them either

[Merry and Pippin]

oh i didn't know you were still around.

I voted gemini.

yeah i have an early morning tho so i'm bouncing shortly

[Merry and Pippin]

he has a pretty good personality read on me that i'm a little dubious he'd be able to pick up on by just reading a few of my games in the past couple of days; it makes me think that he's actually played with me at some point

the one post i kinda maybe liked of vedith's was 35 because he's kinda aware that he's gone too far and backed off before he riled brass up *too* much

pedit this is skitter

I get what you're talking about. Tho, the "I'm town" repetition feels right if he's new.

I don't really understand town reading him and thinking he's lying. What's the motivation from town?

Yeah, that's what I was talking about when I talked about Vedith backing off

-U2

to disassociate the account from existing players by hyping up the 'new' angle
i've seen it a lot (i don't know any of you and i'm brand new but i read a bunch of games and am an expert on your meta!) when they're really just an alt

don't think they're telling the truth about being a new player but i don't think ti's scummy either

[Merry and Pippin]

If you're town, why wouldn't you be surprised that I'm voting you?

-Merry

Are we really going to do *this* right now? I came in really late to the game, made one post that wasn't cohesive and detailed enough (basically just stated) so It's easy for you and now JM to just jump on the wagon and vote me.

Ok. Do you want us to unvote and give you more time to do stuff?

[Merry and Pippin]

like aloftness if that's even a word
or detached
or ephemeral

ephemeral is prob the best word
but like that's not something i can translate into ai-ness, it just kinda is;

calling her luna + the tone i'm getitng kinda reminds of luna lovegood lol

[Merry and Pippin]

basically i'm assuming that you're claiming masons with beauvoi. if that's not the case you should out that because i think that they're scummy and i'd instalynch you after their scumflip.

Yeah, you should because I'm actually town and it would be fucked up and unfair overall to go out like this considering.

ok.

UNVOTE:

[Merry and Pippin]

if it helps I think this is a pretty towny reaction.

[Merry and Pippin]

meh i guess tone is often reflective of what we want to see just as much as what's actually there it's text after all.

yeah this could be a thing; maybe i read the name luna and thought of harry potter so got luna lovegood vibes

but like whatever i'm getting just doesn't have ai connotations to me rn

[Merry and Pippin]

yeah fair
this is basically a long-winded way of saying that i don't see it and that i need more from her to form a read

i'm gonna bounce; kinda exhausted and have an early day tomorrow

[Merry and Pippin]

{merrypippin, gemini, brassherald, jungle medicine}

towntell for me qts

[Merry and Pippin]

JM we won't let you die. Carry us

[Merry and Pippin]

VOTE: Icon

[Merry and Pippin]

JM saying my joke TR on Vedith was not to be trusted and calling three players obvtown on page 2 is lulz

it's quite serious in fact.

i'll help you out, one of them was brass.

I just can't let this go, and Draco also caught this but there was never a serious reply?
If you were in fact quite serious, why don't you provide the answer here? (If i happen to missed it, it's still early here so just point me to the post and i'll be happy)

he was calling himself obvtown at that point, he said it explicitly a bit later

==

He's trying to start a counterwagon to stop the buddy from being lynched (scum getting lynched D1 would be tough in this game I think), while still scumreading the buddy so that if the buddy flips he stays kind of town.

a) why do you think scum getting lynched day1 would be tough this game in particular?
b) day1 pre-flip associatives are bad and scumreading ico for him not being willing to lynch jungle is kinda ridiculous when you don't really seem to scumread either of them in a vacuum and you don't know either of their alignments.
c) i've been kinda staunchly calling jungle town and i'm not really entertaining a lynch on him either. does that affect your read on me?

==

I find it really hard to get anything from discussions about meta when I don’t really know the meta of the people involved.

Sorry.

which meta discussions are you talking about? there actually haven't really been any this game?

==

VOTE: iconeum

why
i'm kinda liking them thus far tbh

==

Brass, I'm kind of town reading rooster after your exchange. You getting that at all in retrospect?

-U2

what parts are you townreading?

==

VOTE: Icon

can we vote roster instead?

==

{merrypippin, gemini, brassherald, jungle medicine}

towntell for me qts

So, this is a town list?

i think so but i haven't spoken with rc since thursday
i want to take out gemini, don't really have a read on her
maybe add ico idk yet

==

How funny. Do you know a Luna?

well i was talking about the harry potter luna, i don't know her personally lol
i'm sorry about your grandfather

==

i'm not really vibing the ico votes rn
and he's now at l-1 btw
UNVOTE:
i'm not really ready for the day to end just yet.

i think that wagon formed suspiciously quickly. four votes went up on ico in like thirty posts and there was just like ... no resistance to this happening like *at all*; it feels a little too easy for ico to scum almost tbh imo

i think that the roster and vedith votes are both pretty meh; the vedith one in particular feels kinda oppurtunistic given that he literally never mentioned ico before the vote. not sure why jungle is voting him either actually.

@vedith can you talk about your roster and ico reads?

i want to talk to rc about where to vote but rn i'm leaning towards roster or vedith

[Merry and Pippin]

VOTE: starwing

[Merry and Pippin]

almost tbh imo

i read this and wanted to vote them before i realized they were my slot

[Merry and Pippin]

JM you not scumreading the fact that I have barely been present in this game makes me a lot less comfortable about your slot

[Merry and Pippin]

draco I really don't want to vote you because of

reasons

but I feel like you're scum and would appreciate you getting slaxx to talk to me if you're town.

[Merry and Pippin]

VOTE: Vedith

changed our minds

[Merry and Pippin]

is that all you have to say right now?

[Merry and Pippin]

for 50%?

[Merry and Pippin]

which head and why?

[Merry and Pippin]

why is merry scum, btw?

[Merry and Pippin]

Merry head doesn't feel like being scumread for shitty reasons so I'm going to let Skitter play this slot until we're consensus town

GL hf

Also

if you try to investigate us you're a moron

why are you saying these things merry? i tend to think the players who skip out on early posting are the scums more often than random so this isn't helping me read you town.

I have a partner who won't be scumread for existing

Play with her

ok jungle let's make a deal

you stop being an obnoxious fuck and I make sure you don't get lynched today

deal?

Your iso makes me want to stab someone

Oh yeah Skitter will probably hate me for posting angrily

I'll just be super nice Merry from now on ok

VOTE: iconeum

how dare you vote for us you complete weapon

To put this more politely

Do you realize that your superior tone is antagonizing the slaxx hydra

lol

Your tone is actually pretty grating and condescending

I don't feel like you're doing it intentionally necessarily

But it's probably something you should be aware of?

Also for the record I have absolutely zero issues posting as scum. Being wary of me for not posting is really dumb. Skitter is always the more readable head of this Hydra.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh

I just realized something that I'll be intentionally vague on.

As an aside I feel like that discussion should wait until after the game.

Hi Gemini how are you?

Thoughts on the Draco/JM spat?

Uncertain and if he's scum I'd prefer him not to have an excuse to derptunneling because it makes him a lot harder to read

I would not strategically make the comments that I made unless I was desperate. I would not make them if the realization had happened sooner. I'm reticent about citing examples because I have a lot to think about regarding the fact that your posting annoyed me so much.

I think it would be super helpful to postpone this discussion until after the game.

Uncertain and if he's scum I'd prefer him not to have an excuse to derptunneling because it makes him a lot harder to read

I don't recall you playing any games with me where I was scum, except the Nightless Marathon.

I know what I'm looking for.

Who are your townreads? Brassherald and

Why did you scumread my initial decision to stay out of thread until Skitter establishes us as town?

Or was that just rhetoric?

Posting 450 times to get conditionally townread seems a lot more painful and less fun than having Skitter pop into thread and instantly be town locked

I am the single easiest person on this site to townread

your mom is brassherald

All posting so far is merry

I'll get Pippin to sign her?his? posts

I wasn't sure if I should gender it based on Pippin or Skitter.

also if we dicerolled to determine the scum, would we be using real dice or like random.org

jungle medicine what do you think that vedith's no lynch says about his alignment

why are we town?

my understanding would be that you would attempt to read this hydra based on Skitter's posting instead of mine, and she has not yet posted.

am I wrong to think that?

i'm really, really sorry gemini.

VOTE: geminitwin12

oh i didn't know you were still around.

I voted gemini.

If you're town, why wouldn't you be surprised that I'm voting you?

-Merry

If you're town, why wouldn't you be surprised that I'm voting you?

-Merry

Are we really going to do *this* right now? I came in really late to the game, made one post that wasn't cohesive and detailed enough (basically just stated) so It's easy for you and now JM to just jump on the wagon and vote me.

Ok. Do you want us to unvote and give you more time to do stuff?

basically i'm assuming that you're claiming masons with beauvoi. if that's not the case you should out that because i think that they're scummy and i'd instalynch you after their scumflip.

Yeah, you should because I'm actually town and it would be fucked up and unfair overall to go out like this considering.

ok.

UNVOTE:

if it helps I think this is a pretty towny reaction.

{merrypippin, gemini, brassherald, jungle medicine}

towntell for me qts

JM we won't let you die. Carry us

VOTE: Icon

VOTE: starwing

almost tbh imo

i read this and wanted to vote them before i realized they were my slot

JM you not scumreading the fact that I have barely been present in this game makes me a lot less comfortable about your slot

draco I really don't want to vote you because of

reasons

but I feel like you're scum and would appreciate you getting slaxx to talk to me if you're town.

VOTE: Vedith

changed our minds

is that all you have to say right now?

for 50%?

which head and why?

why is merry scum, btw?

all merry posts. why am I scum?

[Merry and Pippin]

"makes it hard for me to read it anything but scum" doesn't sound like something someone says about someone they're scumreading, ico.

me and skitter are the same alignment. why can't she just be a better scum player than I am? do you know the constituent heads of this hydra?

[Merry and Pippin]

that said i actually think ico might be town for

reasons

for now

lets lynch someone else.

[Merry and Pippin]

VOTE: starwing beauvoi

i'll vote here, if skitter really doesn't want it we can vote vedith again.

[Merry and Pippin]

I'm sorry that we're not doing more this game gemini

Skitters busy and idk why I just don't have something in this game

[Merry and Pippin]

JM would you Lynch Vedith with us

Reasons please

[Merry and Pippin]

who the fuck do you think you are little Stephen Colbert wannabe

[Merry and Pippin]

It’s a bullshit case. Well done.

You are town.

is this addressed to me? if so idk what you're talking about

--skitter (catching up now, going to be me)

[Merry and Pippin]

@vedith can you talk about your roster and ico reads?

I don't have reads.

ok, why did you vote ico then?

[Merry and Pippin]

what parts are you townreading?

Mainly these two posts. it just seemed like scum would just make a read? Plus the tone kinda felt right. But I went back and skimmed through my last game with roster after my exchange with milkcarton and I'm not sure if that this exchange is actually town-indicative.

And the worst part is your town, so I’m not going to fight you.

Pedit: If I had substance I would say it. But I don’t.

It seemed that way to me.

And I probably should be able to. Just I can’t.

-U2

uh i don't see much townie in that exchange tbh; his case on ico was retaliotary after ico voted him and was based on pre-flip associatives (day1 mind you), and he didn't have any reads outside of that

neither of the two posts you quoted feel townie to me either tbh
he doesn't have any reads outside of the pre-flip associatives (and doesn't even scumread either of them individually!) and when called out he just calls brass town and tries to end the convo

[Merry and Pippin]

More ai content but that requires more talking so it's an interconnected issue atm.

I'm waiting to hear more of what star. Has to say.

And why exactly are you voting icon, Jungle? I'm Sorry if I missed it if you already explained it.

this bit is pinging me as town

[Merry and Pippin]

the convo between vedith and roster on the bottom of page11 does not feel svs imo; like vedith feels almost buddying? pocketing? of roster there and is trying to get him to townread him
also 274 is kidna like the first post i liked from roster; not sure scum is quite so transparent tbh

[Merry and Pippin]

almost tbh imo

i read this and wanted to vote them before i realized they were my slot

[Merry and Pippin]

JM you not scumreading the fact that I have barely been present in this game makes me a lot less comfortable about your slot

no they're town

[Merry and Pippin]

[quote="In post 284, StarwingBeauvoi"][/quote]

i don't particularly like this post; it's a whole lot of hedging

like the second paragraph where she goes over rvs is a lot of iioa - it's more a summary of what happened than anything else; she doesn't actually form a read on what happened there

like there's a lot of words and statements and thoughts but not that many stances or opinons. like i know what she thinks about a lot of the players and what they said but not what she thinks about their *alignments* really besides for like a townread on me (but rc might be scum pocketing jm!) and maybe on brass and draco.
and after all of that she just unvotes and doesn't really seem to have a scurmead or anything

[Merry and Pippin]

whoops sorry for the broken quote

[Merry and Pippin]

JM you not scumreading the fact that I have barely been present in this game makes me a lot less comfortable about your slot

you feeling this way is making me feel more comfortable about your slot because i was getting a little paranoid earlier especially about some of the stuff skitter was saying.

do tell

[Merry and Pippin]

Jungle, talk to me. Give me the 3 obvtown players you were referring to at that point.

again, the third obvtown player was referring to themselves

also @ jungle why are you scumreading ico rn?

[Merry and Pippin]

Gemini, Vedith, Draco townreads

why vedith

[Merry and Pippin]

Merry is scum, btw

i'm pippin, right?

the walls are me; i think i was around one night last week too
posts with 'btw' or 'ngl' or 'tbh' or 'imo' are prob me too
i don't capitalize
everything in this stretch of posts is me

[Merry and Pippin]

I think the pippin head made 171, which would make the slot more towny

yeah 171 was me
(all walls are me pretty much always)

[Merry and Pippin]

VOTE: starwing beauvoi

i'll vote here, if skitter really doesn't want it we can vote vedith again.

i like vedith more but i think i'm ok with this for now tbh

[Merry and Pippin]

Where's my vote right now?

JM's 291 reads super scummy to me.

I don't want to accidentally hammer if votes are there though so I'm still not going to stop bitching about needing a vote count

y tho

[Merry and Pippin]

has anyone reviewed icon's meta specifically his scum play & still thinks he's town?

i played one game with him before (open 710); it was multiball and we were both town and he was my strongest townread at endgame

that is to say i wasn't *super strongly* townreading him but he was townier than everyone else + i knew he wasn't bluescum (and at that point there were only bluescum left) so he had to be town by poe

one of the reasons i townread him is cuz as far as i'm aware he doens't have a particularly expansive scumrange and he had enough townie moments there that i didn't think he'd be able to fake those

i've not actually done an extensive meta dive on his scumgames but i don't think he's played much in the interim so i think the vibe i had of his scumrange is probably (?) fairly accurate

he's not yet hit the threshold of enough townie posts that i think he's out of his scumrange but he did have a few posts that i thought were townie for his type of player (the analysis in the first bit 210 in particular)

[Merry and Pippin]

UNVOTE:

-Slaxx

I’ll catch up with this tonight.

slaxx were you aware that you had unvoted off of l-1 here?

[Merry and Pippin]

i kinda like gemini actually

[Merry and Pippin]

I'm just going to go and claim VT here.
Just do the lynch if you don't believe it since it's no loss to town.

Its obvious that trying to have fun during games is just something that can't be done weather I try to Scum hunt or not.

[Merry and Pippin]

yay i'm caught up!

[Merry and Pippin]

@Schadd_ what does invisible mean in the context of the britney spears check

[Merry and Pippin]

hmmmmmmmmm

I like the points being made about jungle medicine

Probably going to vote there soon

[Merry and Pippin]

That's merry to be clear

[Merry and Pippin]

the general points that others have made that you're really scummy and a reasonably safe D1 Lynch

[Merry and Pippin]

Really, that's all you have to say here?

[Merry and Pippin]

What do you think of my scumread on you?

[Merry and Pippin]

idk I guess you shouldn't have rolled scum

Voting you when Skitter gets back

[Merry and Pippin]

i don't think you think i'm scum

Clarify?

[Merry and Pippin]

you're like obviously scum

maybe you should get better as scum?

[Merry and Pippin]

Well I know your town meta and this is clearly not it so bye bye

[Merry and Pippin]

Man wtf and I thought you were town this game

How the fuck do you think that I make the posts on this page as town

[Merry and Pippin]

So... Why don't you think that I'm scum for it?

[Merry and Pippin]

Like if I'm objectively scumposting why aren't you doing anything about it?

[Merry and Pippin]

I already said I'm not voting you D1

But I expected more of a reaction to my push on you. I was hoping to use it as justification to get everyone else to unvote. I dunno. Did you think that I was reaction testing you while it happened?

[Merry and Pippin]

I feel like we should both know that I know who you are?

[Merry and Pippin]

You sorta hardclaimed your identity in one of your first 5 posts.

[Merry and Pippin]

Nah.

VOTE: brassherald

Townreads here are wrong btw

[Merry and Pippin]

I don't know how to read Icon at all.

[Merry and Pippin]

Brassherald I think has by far the highest scum equity in the game as a slot

[Merry and Pippin]

you think a townie comes to the conclusion roster/me are scum based on roster voting me in response to draco's early posting?

I think townies do a lot of really stupid things

[Merry and Pippin]

I feel like JM would be an alt, would need to do a real deep dive of everyone to really know metas being used.

I don't really care too much, though, because I feel confident I can read people without metas anyway.

Speaking of, how are you reading him?

-U2

More likely scum than town right now, but it's not strong enough for me to throw an early vote.

Also this felt like a S/S interaction

[Merry and Pippin]

idk I'm moreso letting Skitter lead b/c it's not my winrate on the line but I do think brassherald is scum

[Merry and Pippin]

It's really cool to see Gemini actually doing stuff instead of being the nervous mess that she was in both of our last two games where she was scum.

[Merry and Pippin]

I feel like more of a spectator than I do and actual player

[Merry and Pippin]

moi?

[Merry and Pippin]

Gemini I feel like you're ignoring me

[Merry and Pippin]

It's weird being the like

Less engaged with

head in a Hydra @_@

[Merry and Pippin]

lol

[Merry and Pippin]

Do note for the record that brassherald didn't so much as bat an eyelash at either of those posts

[Merry and Pippin]

Well, feel free to deal with Skitter head instead

[Merry and Pippin]

Can you go into further detail about what you mean by me being a terror to talk to

[Merry and Pippin]

I'm gonna step out of the thread and just talk to skitter

[Merry and Pippin]

You do understand that was just a joke right

[Merry and Pippin]

Europe2

[Merry and Pippin]

I think 506 makes JM town

[Merry and Pippin]

Gemini I feel like you're ignoring me

I just saw 454, if that's what you're talking about, if not what I miss?

I dunno. What's your read on me and why?

[Merry and Pippin]

vedith because there's literally nothing scummy in the posts, both content and intent wise.

Nothing pings you about 338?

No, actually.

-U2

can you bus icon please? i don't think i'll be able to get him lynched without your help.

Maybe you are having trouble getting me lynched because you got caught in a lie/fake statement?

clarify this?

[Merry and Pippin]

why is everyone trying to tie people to jungle?

[Merry and Pippin]

also Ico, why are you going after Roster instead of going after JM?

[Merry and Pippin]

happy birthday

[Merry and Pippin]

oh I see town points

so if they flipped town you wouldn't give town points to jungle?

[Merry and Pippin]

let's play a game

let's say you could lynch either one of them

but if they flipped town you'd be lynched next

who would you choose?

[Merry and Pippin]

ok...

[Merry and Pippin]

idk he's like really scummy but i think we should lynch someone else for arbitrary reasons

[Merry and Pippin]

i felt like i've been underperforming and slanking this game but we actually have highest postcount and most of those posts are mine

[Merry and Pippin]

that's probably not a good sign

[Merry and Pippin]

I want to be led to scum lynches

If you're not gonna do that I'll get Skitter to place a vote

[Merry and Pippin]

@jungle i'm not sure that scum!ico responds to you calling him out by voting you tbh, or by retaliatorily making up meta on you in order to demonstrate his frustration with that sort of read - i don't think that was a serious accusation that he was really planning on pushing you with; i've not actually played with scum!him or metadived him or anything but the one game with him i *did* play i think i got a fairly decent sense for what sort of player he is - and i correctly read him there based on determining that a sequence of posts was out of his scumrange.

==

idk I guess you shouldn't have rolled scum

Voting you when Skitter gets back

no they're town, 412 is like the towniest post in the game atm and i don't know why jungle's getting votes rn

==

you think a townie comes to the conclusion roster/me are scum based on roster voting me in response to draco's early posting?

i don't know if his logic inherently makes sense but i think it makes sense to *him*, which is what matters here

==

And then throughout the rest of the discussion of brass, when being pressured to make a read, he never tries to embellish his read as being more than just d1 vca/associatives. The whole thought process is consistent for a read that he gave as he formed it.

Writing it out, I guess none of it is miles outside of an average scum range, but it seems unlikely. Thoughts, Skitter?

honestly no, i don't see it
i think he was basically bullshitting a read on ico and jungle after ico called him scum based on pretty much nothing and when called out on it admitted he had nothing and threw a townread on the person interrogating him in an attempt to get the conversation to end

==

UNVOTE:

-Slaxx

I’ll catch up with this tonight.

slaxx were you aware that you had unvoted off of l-1 here?

I'm sure he was. If he wasn't, I was when I came back, saw it, and left our vote off.

-U2

i remember thinking that the l-1 unvote was townie if he didn't know it was l-1 but i don't remember why i thought that

==

i kinda like gemini actually

why? I'm pretty null on that slot

-U2

idk some of her posts feel kinda townie to me
like in a genuine/sincere/being open/ telegraphing-her-thought-process kinda way if that makes sense

like 452 and 463 feel this way to me

==

It's weird being the like

Less engaged with

head in a Hydra @_@

==

I don't know if I've ever explicitly said this on this account, by the way, but RC, I tend to not bother engaging you because I find you to be a terror to actually need to talk to.

ok engage with me instead!
do you think i should be townreading you here? if so, why? (443)

==

i'm not really vibing scum!ico rn tbh
i kinda feel like if he were scum here he'd be backing off of the jungle/roster scumreads given the amount of pushback he's been getting for it from jungle but he's kinda sticking to his guns there
also still kinda weirded out about the easy l-1 wagon on him earlier

==

This is just hedging, really. You think i'm town, but then you think it's suspicious i don't have a preference between my scumreads. Not a logical conclusion here.
And really, what compels YOU to choose between Jungle and Rooster here?

VOTE: Starwing

uh you're voting with the person you were just voting ...?

==

I want to be led to scum lynches

If you're not gonna do that I'll get Skitter to place a vote

jungle's town, and i think gemini and ico prob are too, but less confidently

roster is scummy, and i don't like that vedith has basically done nothing all game or that he lol-l1'ed ico earlier when he didn't have any reads at the time; i'm kinda tending towards vedith rn i think

i don't really have a read on brass or draco

idk how to read starwing either really

[Merry and Pippin]

I'm good for a policy lynch on Draco
If they're mafia great if not they're not going to help town anyway

Merry obviously

[Merry and Pippin]

I'm lynching you because lynching you is protown

I've made no commentary on your alignment one way or the other.

[Merry and Pippin]

I mean there's policy lynching someone for what literally boils down to being good at the game and lynching someone because them being alive helps scum win condition. This is the latter, I'm just trying to play to my win condition.

Strictly business nothing personal unless you choose to make it so

[Merry and Pippin]

If you're town then starwing is probably cleared

At least if you're scum you might be bussing

[Merry and Pippin]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out

VOTE: Draco lucky

Here's some incentive

[Merry and Pippin]

i'm not looking to policy lynch but there's a higher than random chance draco's scum, no?

I wouldn't be pushing it if I didn't think Draco was scummy

Not wanting them alive is just a bonus

[Merry and Pippin]

That said pretty sure anyone who makes the last few posts should probably be lynched regardless of their alignment anyway?

[Merry and Pippin]

Ok

Do you want to not-policy lynch Draco lucky

[Merry and Pippin]

I truly don't feel like playing mafia as myself should require me to put up with shit like that.

[Merry and Pippin]

I'm gonna drunkpost ama

[Merry and Pippin]

Let's talk about the film people!!!

Amaar

[Merry and Pippin]

Ok then.

Who is your top scumread gemini?

[Merry and Pippin]

I'm looking for direction JM

If you're town why aren't you leading?

[Merry and Pippin]

I'm tired. I don't want to lead this game.

Skitter is usually an independent town leader type but guess not right now.

[Merry and Pippin]

I don't want to have defined reads at this point in the game

I think JM me you vedith brass are bad lynches today

[Merry and Pippin]

Why is it when I have caught scum everyone wants to go after lynchbait and when I haven't everyone is looking at me to lead then powerlynches me if I lead wrong?

[Merry and Pippin]

Skitters reads =\= my reads

[Merry and Pippin]

????

[Merry and Pippin]

Those are my reads not skitters

Skitter has not responded to me

[Merry and Pippin]

I don't think starwing is a bad lynch and havw never said that

[Merry and Pippin]

I'm just sheeping.

y tho

[Merry and Pippin]

I townread Roster based on an isolated interaction when i really hadn't taken in much of the game as a whole. Perspective naturally gives new views.

ok can you explain what prompted this perspective change?

[Merry and Pippin]

I think your read on roster is pretty surface level, and it would make sense to me a little more if you had a strong town read on ico since a town read on ico is basically required for your read, but your read on ico doesn't seem that strong, so what's the deal?

i think ico is more likely than not to be town
i think he believes most of the things he's pushing (specifically his reasonign for why roster is scum - it's a thought process that's showing through in other posts)
i think his reaction to jungle's push on him was kinda townie - i'm not sure scum!him responds to a push on him by a) snap-OMGUS'ing jungle and then b) makign up a retaliatory meta case on jungle that he doesn't actually believe or plan to push because he's frustrated by the meta read on him - if he were scum i think he would may be use that to actually push jungle instead of dropping it immediately afterwards; it felt more like he was annoyed at her than like a calculated push he was making

also i think the wagon on him earlier happened suspiciously fast

[Merry and Pippin]

If you're town then starwing is probably cleared

At least if you're scum you might be bussing

why is starwing clear if draco is town?

also i'm kinda skimmign this argument and pretending it didn't really happen

[Merry and Pippin]

- I love his push on Starwing

I like the way he's made the pushes, I like the L-1 on starwing

do you usually townread people who push the same people as you?
or, probably more accurately, do you usually townread people *for* pushing the same people as you?

[Merry and Pippin]

Vedith - Lack of anything from them. The lack of caring whether they'll be mislynched in 559. I'm going back and forth over the thought of "if they're scum, shouldn't they be putting in more effort than this?" also the way they voted Icon. out the blue with no followup reasons (No reasons for hardly anything)

@ gemini want to join me on this? VOTE: vedith

[Merry and Pippin]

I don't want to have defined reads at this point in the game

I think JM me you vedith brass are bad lynches today

??? why vedith

[Merry and Pippin]

wait, hold on, that was skitter posting?

Could you please point out which posts were skitter's starting with 614 up until now?

-U2

i didn't post anything between my wall last night and my posts on this page

[Merry and Pippin]

alacrity replaces brassherald !!

hello!

[Merry and Pippin]

rosterfoster is probably scum! I admit, the scumread mostly comes from his hop onto the Iconeum wagon. However, that vote was strange enough that I find it hard to believe it was natural.

i kinda thought the vedith l-1 was worse tbh

[Merry and Pippin]

I don't have caught scum

I want gemini skitter or jm to catch scum for me

=\

[Merry and Pippin]

Alacrity doesn't improve my read on that slot FTR but I'm not confident enough to go against town consensus there.

[Merry and Pippin]

FTR I wasn't consulted on the vedith vote

[Merry and Pippin]

prodge until skitter gets back

[Merry and Pippin]

Hi skitter! Where are your thoughts at right now?

i outlined them i think the last time i posted but sure

jm's town
i think ico and gemini are prob town too

i think vedith is scummy and i want to lynch him
roster is also scummy and i would def compromise here

urap i was null on but holistically i've been liking his gamesolving and i'm not particularly interested in voting there today

brass i didn't really have a read on. i liked your entrance tho and i thought it was +town. it wasn't enough to actually like townread you but it was enough to push your slot above the null line for now

starwing i can't really read tbh, and i feel like she's probably one of those players that i'm not going to read directly, but rather indirectly through how the gamestate is forming around her. the wagon itself is kinda meh and the fact that it's been stalled at three votes for a while now makes me a little suspicious; in a game this size it's pretty easy to drive a wagon up to l-1 so tbh i'm kinda surprised that more votes haven't really ended up on her. if she's town she's def lynchbait so i feel like she'd be pushed harder here but the wagon is kinda just ... not growing which is kinda weird and loosely points to scum!starwing imo

i should probably speak with rc about where to vote before eod but i haven't heard from him since like .... wednesday maybe and idk where he wants to vote rn but i'll see if we can sync up soonish since deadline is soonish

[Merry and Pippin]

actually I'm pretty sure I have the game solved. (Pippin)

[Merry and Pippin]

Merry, sorry.

Whichever I am lol. RC.

[Merry and Pippin]

Roster, lack of content. And I was swayed by your argument. Also, I wanted to see how he would react. Maybe he is town.

His reads don't smell fake, though they're not all right. What does a fake read smell like anyway?

Vmore convincified. Need to see Draco's response


Alacrity has a nice manner, but I don't see the Gemini scum read. I like the tone. Also, is Vedith much light-hearted? He's not dark hearted, but I don't understand.

what do these even mean?

==

starwing, who's scum?

[Merry and Pippin]

bleh i saw that in a p-edit, 705 and 709 is skitter

[Merry and Pippin]

@Vedith do you have any reads/thoughts?

Yes

can you like share them or ...

[Merry and Pippin]

- I love his push on Starwing

I like the way he's made the pushes, I like the L-1 on starwing

do you usually townread people who push the same people as you?
or, probably more accurately, do you usually townread people *for* pushing the same people as you?

Yes, I often town read people who push the same people as me.
No, I don't really town read people *for* pushing the same people as me.

I think Ico's push on Starwing is townie, and it doesn't hurt that Starwing is also where I'm looking to lynch
And Brass, it was how he was pressuring JM more so than any push on starwing that I referring to iirc. I also thought the L-1 was good. "bad", l-1 declaration in the second post, "boyos" which is a word I use when I'm being cocky in my solve, whole thing read right tonally.


I'm fucking exhausted, but I'll be around tomorrow

-U2

meh
it kinda read to me a bit like one of the reasons you were townreading each of them was because you they had the same reads as you

it's kinda hard to put into words properly what i'm thinking but it's like too consistent almost - like you're approaching the game with the mindset: starwing is bad, so people who are scumreading her are good and it's like simplistic? or like belies a lack of nuance?
idk how well i'm explaining this but like townreading people who are scumreading the people you're scumreading at least in part because they have the same reads as you is just very ... neat and like a constructed thought process almost.

that made sense in my head but idk if i conveyed what i was trying to say well; if i didn't lmk and i'll try again

[Merry and Pippin]

Starwing still scum :O

y tho

i think starwing's 665 and 667 are actually low-key townie; they're kinda flippant in a way that i wouldn't really expect her to be as scum

[Merry and Pippin]

Are you going to share them?

I think you Rooster and Mary Poppins are town.
I think Starwing might be scum
And the rest I don't care if we lynch wrong because they aren't town reads.

agree with gemini but why are you townreading roster?

[Merry and Pippin]

Well that's Starwing town reading me. I guess we don't need to kill there tonight.

That looks like a scum slip. But I'm not 100% sure it is. But then what else could it be?

Oh, we could be partners, and you're sacrificing yourself to save me?

i dont' think taht's a slip so much as vedith trolling
also i'm not sure the bolded comes from scum

[Merry and Pippin]

Vedith you’re being resistant and I can’t be bothered to keep pushing you for info. If you wanna tell me why, go ahead.

That posts from Starwing reminds me of yours in our first game together when you were town. But I have a feeling that it’s only NAI coming from you, but AI from most others.

ok, eli5

why is this scum-indicative for starwing
i actually think that a lot of her flippant posts in the last page or so are actually kinda townie from what i'm vibing of her personality here

[Merry and Pippin]

Vedith fake scum-slips/similar all the time. It’s to get reactions but I’m not sure it’s particularly effective. Here though I think it kind of worked, although Vedith is not giving very much about his opinions (like Vedith, what do YOU think about that post?). It’s definately not indicative of scum Vedith and IMO is more likely from town Vedith (btw this is what I meant about productive trolling in that large normal).

if you think the trolling is nai why do you think he's town for it ...?

[Merry and Pippin]

i think i want to go here
VOTE: roster

[Merry and Pippin]

rc says he thinks that scum is roster + draco

[Merry and Pippin]

The three worst slots in the game are on starwing and u2 literally just said "I'm pondering"

[Merry and Pippin]

casing is hard

[Merry and Pippin]

people who ask me to make cases are bullies

[Merry and Pippin]

ok it's like 14 hours to deadline
i don't want this day to end on a no-lynch

depending on work i will do my best to check in in the morning in order to ensure a lynch happens
i'd prefer roster > vedith > draco in that order

@roster @vedith neither of your lynches are happening between now and tomorrow so like now's the time to get off the vanity wagons and vote something viable

-skitter

[Merry and Pippin]

skitter isn't voting vedith.

WE NOT LYNCHING OUTSIDE OF ROSTERFOSTER AND DRACOLUCKY TODAY THANKS

i guess I'll actually case this since

[Merry and Pippin]

vote roster then.

[Merry and Pippin]

good for you

[Merry and Pippin]

no

you not voting the worst lost you a game.
you not voting michael scott lost you the previous game.

[Merry and Pippin]

in fairness you did vote michael scott. you weren't the reason we lost that game.

but it was objectively saudade, not me. I wanted MS lynched, you wanted MS lynched, Sau was URAP or bust so.

[Merry and Pippin]

the worst you can fault me for in the first one was not voting shoshin but that isn't why we lost.

[Merry and Pippin]

We can vote draco with you and JM

[Merry and Pippin]

VOTE: Draco lucky

[Merry and Pippin]

i'll cry no tears if you get lynched because you refuse to vote scum.

[Merry and Pippin]

if you vote rooster i'll vote rooster.

otherwise vote stays.

[Merry and Pippin]

probably rooster?

[Merry and Pippin]

but like I don't want to give an answer here

they both engage with each other a ridiculous amount
draco calls roster scum then backs off on that read when asked about it later
both are trying to make a show of willingness to vote the other but when it's come to it neither have voted the other, even out of self preservation

what parts are you townreading?

Mainly these two posts. it just seemed like scum would just make a read? Plus the tone kinda felt right. But I went back and skimmed through my last game with roster after my exchange with milkcarton and I'm not sure if that this exchange is actually town-indicative.

And the worst part is your town, so I’m not going to fight you.

Pedit: If I had substance I would say it. But I don’t.

It seemed that way to me.

And I probably should be able to. Just I can’t.

-U2

when we called them out on having no real reason for a claimed roster townread they just gave two points and mentiond that they weren't sure it was actually town indicative
but then put them as town in the next readslist anyway


also literally everyone else is town, so.

[Merry and Pippin]

I think your read on roster is pretty surface level, and it would make sense to me a little more if you had a strong town read on ico since a town read on ico is basically required for your read, but your read on ico doesn't seem that strong, so what's the deal?

oh yeah and calling my roster read surface level etc