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In post 51, Spangled wrote:Hey, Hectic, what made you decide on that specific coalition to vote for?
Why me, why NC 39, etc.?
it was a completely arbitrary and random vote, but having thought about it, it's far more useful to see who people are townreading and want in the coalition from the start rather than to just treat it like RVS
I figured as much. This is like the opposite of Overkill 2, where my slot had 3 votes before I even made a single post but in that case, it wasn’t actually RVS.
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Post #58 (isolation #1) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:55 am
Postby NC 39 »
I was telling Nero that we need to keep an eye on nsg because if she posts, that hydra is more likely to be town. Apparently scum!nsg flakes, so I’m leaning town on RC/nsg hydra for now.
In post 10, Alchemist21 wrote:HEAL: Alchemist, RC most awesomest, NC 39, Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
That’s myself plus the 3 slots I believe to be the strongest slots coming into the game plus Espresso since I liked their entrance.
I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.
is it considered a deep wolf if they're just in the top 5 town reads?
regarding the investigation potential, it is useful for knowing there's at least 1 scum in the group, i don't we can even be too confident that there can't be two scum in the 5 we agree on, so the utility isn't actually that useful
I mean it’s not really rocket science. If we have a coalition that fails, there’s obviously at least one scum in it. But why waste D1 doing that, when it makes far more sense to heal the majority’s top town reads? It’s in our interest for the coalition to succeed on D1, so it makes sense to not be hasty.
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Post #63 (isolation #3) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:04 am
Postby NC 39 »
In post 14, Alchemist21 wrote:I promise if it fails I won’t immediately point fingers at your slot because I know how you feel about people lynching you just based on your reputation as a strong scum player.
i can provide a few walls later if people doubt these reads
can I, without giving a long winded explanation of why these kinds of posts even made ironically throw me off and make me dislike the game, ask everyone who wants to win as town to not do this
Dude, he did two things: greet the thread as he literally almost always does, and agreed with someone who disagreed with you... OMGUS, or just a lack of willingness to meta someone? A combination, perchance?
him greeting the thread in null. Why do you feel like sticking up for the guy?
@Gamma
Was people adding themselves to their own coalitions helpful and/or useful in that D1 town-win game?
Yes.
I have to admit, not really the answer I was expecting. Why, though?
In Skitter’s game, scum!Sky made it a point of objecting to be added to any coalition, in case it failed. The other scum in that game, Urist, I think it was, did make a coalition with him in it but then pretty much flaked afterwards.
In post 56, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Cool, this has finally started. I was in Skitter’s game and we actually won on D1, only to have RAS cheat us out of a much deserved win.
How did you get cheated out of the win?
Can you share with us some of the things town did well in that game that we can implement in this game?
RAS was scum IRL basically. Iow, he cheated.
Sure, we were really careful about who we put into the coalition and didn’t rush things. I had 2/3 scum right in that.
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Post #112 (isolation #7) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:57 am
Postby NC 39 »
In post 82, Spangled wrote:Aye, ‘tis null. Exactly. But Hectic, to me, was making out that it was scummy... and I disagreed... and told him so...
I imagine you try and call people out on things you disagree with — I like to do that too.
My initial reaction to this was "thats not why he's voting him!" but looking back he did say.
i can provide a few walls later if people doubt these reads
can I, without giving a long winded explanation of why these kinds of posts even made ironically throw me off and make me dislike the game, ask everyone who wants to win as town to not do this
A-fucking-men!
Still dislike that. It's buddying up to RC. Its clearly a joke and RC is being a bit of a whiney head but part of me can certainly understand how jokes can mess with one's head.
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Post #113 (isolation #8) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:12 am
Postby NC 39 »
In post 108, Clemency wrote:like, i'm usually the type to promote just 'playing the game', but coalition feels so mechanic-centric that i feel it's anti-town to try to avoid that
There's only 1 mechanic? pass an all town coalition. Am I missing something b/c this honestly doesn't sound like some big mechanic fest?
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Post #115 (isolation #9) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:44 am
Postby NC 39 »
I think you’re right about RCMA. I did an ISO check of both RCMA’s only scumgame, where nsg pretty much flaked and one of nsg’s more recent scumgames, where most of her posts were self-centered and defensive. She wasn’t trying to advance the game forward like she is here.
In post 10, Alchemist21 wrote:I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.
my plan always has been and likely always will be to simply pass a coalition of the towniest players – reads above anything else. i fully intend to win day one and i don't believe that making any trade off for the contingency is worth giving up a higher probability of winning.
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Post #142 (isolation #12) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:34 am
Postby NC 39 »
In post 117, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:If I wanted to buddy up to RC I would be clamoring to sheep him.
So your defense is basically, "I'm not being obvious scum, therefore I'm not scum." Also, RC hasn't really given out any reads so you could even sheep him if you wanted to.
In post 106, NC 39 wrote:In Skitter’s game, scum!Sky made it a point of objecting to be added to any coalition, in case it failed. The other scum in that game, Urist, I think it was, did make a coalition with him in it but then pretty much flaked afterwards.
isn't that massively anti-town? townie's are confirmed non-scum to themselves so why sacrifice a chance of winning the game D1 for fear of being scumread for being on a failed coalition? tell me he was scumread for that please
In post 63, NC 39 wrote:I promise if it fails I won’t immediately point fingers at your slot because I know how you feel about people lynching you just based on your reputation as a strong scum player.
it's not about my feelings, it's about the fact that it's objectively wrong to do so
the only way that feelings come into play is how everyone ~feels~ about the prospect of losing to me
it's not some kind of personal fucking favor to me to treat me like an actual player in a game of mafia
In post 14, Alchemist21 wrote:I promise if it fails I won’t immediately point fingers at your slot because I know how you feel about people lynching you just based on your reputation as a strong scum player.
Hello? That was Alchemist who posted that, not me.
In post 132, Alchemist21 wrote: [...]
RC reads was talked about earlier and it’s based on NSG actually posting.
I was hoping you'd have a bit more to substantiate the read at this point, as scum!nsg could very easily post more. What's your read on the RC head*?
*Note - I find it hard to read hydras. Is it better practice to split the read by head and consolidate later, or approach the read in a holistic manner from the outset?
Well, if it helps at all, scum!RC was vehemently opposed to being in the coalition in Gameshow.
I know Maria was as well but she’s kind of weird in that way.
If it weren’t for nsg, I’d probably be waiting a bit longer to include them in my coalition but nsg seems really townie to me. I can’t speak for Alchemist but my read is based on a lot more than post volume. I would check out nsg’s scumgames. That’s what I did before I added them.
I also would like to understand why Espresso is your strongest sr and why you’re tr LUV?
I’m currently tl Espresso and null on LUV, so what am I missing?
In post 145, RC most awesomest wrote:for my part i'm just going to treat EP like a nonparticipant in the game and hope that we win via coalition not including them regardless of their alignment.
I don’t understand either yours or RC’s reads on Espresso.
In post 10, Alchemist21 wrote:HEAL: Alchemist, RC most awesomest, NC 39, Gamma Emerald, EspressoPatronum
That’s myself plus the 3 slots I believe to be the strongest slots coming into the game plus Espresso since I liked their entrance.
I think the Coalition should be the 5 strongest/Towniest players not just for the obvious reasons of the D1 wincon but also as a weak investigational tool if it fails - if the Coalition fails we know there’s a deep wolf in a group where we might not otherwise suspect scum to be.
Can we do the ‘try and win by Coalition’ thing first, and
then
the ‘use-information-on-a-fail’ thing afterwards,
if
we fail, not just the ‘let’s-find-out-if-there’s-a-deepwolf’ thing straight up?
i can provide a few walls later if people doubt these reads
can I, without giving a long winded explanation of why these kinds of posts even made ironically throw me off and make me dislike the game, ask everyone who wants to win as town to not do this
Dude, he did two things: greet the thread as he literally almost always does, and agreed with someone who disagreed with you... OMGUS, or just a lack of willingness to meta someone? A combination, perchance?
him greeting the thread in null. Why do you feel like sticking up for the guy?
Aye, ‘tis null. Exactly. But Hectic, to me, was making out that it was scummy... and I disagreed... and told him so...
I imagine you try and call people out on things you disagree with — I like to do that too.
The Gamma v LUV disagreement looks genuine + Gamma came out of it looking more town.
HEAL: Spangled
Liking Spangled's posting style thus far. I'm not yet certain if the wide coalition read on Spangled is a good or bad thing, but I'm treating it as a good thing for now.
I’ve seen UTRs be scum, but the biggest, most-AI thing is (in my limited experience) why they end up being UTRed. I don’t know how many people here know emps, but he’s been UTRed up until around EoD2 as scum before, mostly due to tone, and a sheer number of posts, most of which were actually pretty contentless, but seemed helpful.
Townreads everyone agrees on win games, though, especially this one.
Also, about the Gamma v LUV thing, I think Gamma came out of it
somewhat
towny, but what did you think about LUV? Did you agree with Gamma on his defensiveness?
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Post #244 (isolation #22) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:29 am
Postby NC 39 »
LUV is still scum.
RC is town.
HURT: LUV
HEAL: RC
not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.
Don't like how Alchem is ignoring me as I think that often comes from scum.
And still, dislike Spangled.
but thats too many scum reads. So I'm wrong on 2 of those 4.
HEAL: RC most awesomest, Hectic, EspressoPatronum, NC 39 is a rock-solid coalition but I'm hesitant to add Clemency as some of his posts pinged me earlier.
So basically, who are the other town between Clem, Gamma, Alchem, and Spangled and I guess LUV in case I'm wrong but I don't think I am?
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Post #270 (isolation #24) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:27 am
Postby NC 39 »
In post 250, Alchemist21 wrote:You’ve asked me exactly one thing and in the very next post Gamma pointed out your question had been answered already.
fair point I guess although you were plenty of capable of expanding on why you didn't have a town read on us and we are close to DL so isn't about time to start sharing your view of the gamestate?
In post 7, 2 funk 2 punction wrote:Hello everyone happy day one! I'm completely new to this site, and I think the last time I played mafia was in the 5th grade irl, so I might have a bit of a learning curve...(also have never played minecraft)
let's get the posts rolling~
Indeed!
Some like to do RVS (Random Voting Stage), here on this site, but I’d like to try RQS (Random Question Stage) to kick the game off this time.
So.
AaronFrost
: What TV show are you enjoying at the moment?
Martinkids1
: What is the fabric of the clothes you are wearing right now?
kokorogobrokoro
: Does your name meaning anything in any language, and is there anything we can abbreviate it to?
2 funk 2 punction
: What kind of device are you typing your reply to this from?
eth0s
: What method of transportation do you most enjoy using?
Iconeum
: Do you like the climate of where you live?
Luca Blight
: When did you last consume water?
Draynth
: What movie did you watch most recently?
and
Everyone
: Was there red or green text in your Role PM?
It may be that your intentions are sincere in doing this, but I can't help but dislike the possibility of where this could lead us.
VOTE: Spangled
I do have to ask, though, is this a serious vote or just an RVS vote?
‘Cause if it’s a serious vote, that’s a pretty rubbish reason to scumread someone.
I’m mildly alarmed, eth0s, that you’re townreading Luca Blight with this vote — I’ve seen enough games where town opens with RQS to know that it’s a fairly effective opening to the game that can, in fact, catch scum — not directly, but through the discussion —that all important thing at the beginning of the game — that it provokes.
This is super defensive for early game, and just after a single vote on him.
I don't know why you have it in your mind that town aren't defensive. Could you walk me through the reasoning on this?
In post 56, Iconeum wrote:Scum orchestra as in trying to feed/force a scumread to people without committing to that scumread yourself
Ohhh. Right. Rather than scum theatre. I see.
All these terms that aren't on the wiki.
I can see Draynth as scum for those bits outlined above, but it's
fairly
minorly scummy, in my opinion; it's early days yet. It is in that area, I guess, where you could put a vote (to produce information, much as Luca said), but not necessarily a lynch (and definitely not on page 3).
Aye, I'll VOTE: Draynth.
L-3, in case anyone cares.
Pedit:
Never mind,
L-2
.
This is most likely scum hopping onto a wagon for nill reason. The way he explains it is very 'walking the line' trying to justify it but not really taking a stance either.
All his ISO reads like that, very 'carefully' worded posts.
VOTE: Spangled
'Twas a pressure vote, fully acknowledged as such later.
Also, are "'carefully' worded posts" different from "carefully worded posts"; why the emphasis on clearly?
Hey Spangled, I haven’t read the game but I do know you were scum in that. My first reaction to post 267 was, basically, Oh God! you are such a newb to actually believe this but then I saw this post. So, who were you saying was doing the “pressure voting” in 150, Luca Blight or you?
@Alchemist, I was feeling nauseous earlier, so this is my first post today. This is Nancy btw, if that helps.
In post 184, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm concerned about how they're, like, sliding alongside me
Feels like buddying.
These are just weak accusations that he hasn't backed up at all.
Okay. You don't think you responding to a question directed at me and reacting with blank (undetailed) abjection to Alchemist saying your and my slot weren't towny enough for a coalition looked a little off to me? And like Spangled has a point, your suspicion of me is pretty weak itself.
Is there some reason you are mischaracterizing my post here? RC, objected to Spangled being in the coalition and then Alchemist removed both of us, after saying “fine”. I referenced that because RCMA made no mention of us, so I was wondering why Alchemist seemed to make that connection.
I had agreed with some of your posts but obviously not all and I explained the reasoning for that. I’m very curious how that read as “buddying” to you?
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Post #296 (isolation #28) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:30 pm
Postby NC 39 »
In post 292, Spangled wrote:I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I should
probably
ignore.
One thing I noticed about both of your scumgames. was that you seemed to be trying to win the Guinness award for OMGUS voting. You haven’t done that so far in this game.
In post 292, Spangled wrote:I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I should
probably
ignore.
One thing I noticed about both of your scumgames. was that you seemed to be trying to win the Guinness award for OMGUS voting. You haven’t done that so far in this game.
I should also make it clear, it was Nero who did that. Have you played with Nero before?
In post 295, NC 39 wrote:Is there some reason you are mischaracterizing my post here? RC, objected to Spangled being in the coalition and then Alchemist removed both of us, after saying “fine”. I referenced that because RCMA made no mention of us, so I was wondering why Alchemist seemed to make that connection.
I had agreed with some of your posts but obviously not all and I explained the reasoning for that. I’m very curious how that read as “buddying” to you?
I'm pretty sure you had a similar reaction to Alchemist's initial statement that he'd remove us from his coalition as when he actually did it. So first off you seem very on edge, which also makes you looks suspicious outside the buddying situation, and second
I feel like you're trying to get me associated with you
.
Nero, asking “y”, reads as “on edge” to you? Seriously?
Wrt the bolded: What the actual fuck?
I would really love to hear the thought process behind that.
In post 292, Spangled wrote:I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I should
probably
ignore.
One thing I noticed about both of your scumgames. was that you seemed to be trying to win the Guinness award for OMGUS voting. You haven’t done that so far in this game.
I should also make it clear, it was Nero who did that. Have you played with Nero before?
No, I have not. The only people I have personal experience with were two of the failed-to-pick-up-Role-PM rep-outs.
Nero can often be abrasive, so another way to tell us apart.
In post 295, NC 39 wrote:Is there some reason you are mischaracterizing my post here? RC, objected to Spangled being in the coalition and then Alchemist removed both of us, after saying “fine”. I referenced that because RCMA made no mention of us, so I was wondering why Alchemist seemed to make that connection.
I had agreed with some of your posts but obviously not all and I explained the reasoning for that. I’m very curious how that read as “buddying” to you?
I'm pretty sure you had a similar reaction to Alchemist's initial statement that he'd remove us from his coalition as when he actually did it. So first off you seem very on edge, which also makes you looks suspicious outside the buddying situation, and second I feel like you're trying to get me associated with you.
What do you mean by ‘trying to get me associated with you’? What kind of agenda do you think they’re pushing as scum, sorry?
I think they're trying to make me look like I'm bad with them.
I was agreeing, explaining and backing up WHY I was agreeing with some of your posts. Wrt to the Alchemist post, he happened to remove both our names at the same time.
So once again, explain A) how this is “bad” and B) how and why I am trying to be linked with you?
not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.
Don't like how Alchem is ignoring me as I think that often comes from scum.
And still, dislike Spangled.
but thats too many scum reads. So I'm wrong on 2 of those 4.
HEAL: RC most awesomest, Hectic, EspressoPatronum, NC 39 is a rock-solid coalition but I'm hesitant to add Clemency as some of his posts pinged me earlier.
So basically, who are the other town between Clem, Gamma, Alchem, and Spangled and I guess LUV in case I'm wrong but I don't think I am?
Nero and I haven’t had a chance to coordinate on this. I’m not sold on Hectic yet but definitely prefer him to Great, Gamma, LUV.
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Post #345 (isolation #39) » Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:35 pm
Postby NC 39 »
In post 344, YOUAREGREAT wrote:i saw your tiers as: "town, null, scum", which would imply that i had done something specific to be scumread by you. now that i see it's POE, i understand where you're coming from.
i thought LUV was scum on my initial-readthrough as well, but i'm curious why you feel the same way. which lines from LUV did you not like?
They just haven’t done anything to warrant a tr so far. What bothered me the most was him telling Espresso to play the game, yet when I asked him for reads, he never gave any. Again, it’s POE, if he were to give some reads and explain them to my satisfaction, that would obviously change my read on him.
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Post #371 (isolation #40) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:25 am
Postby NC 39 »
In post 279, EspressoPatronum wrote:I think what NC is getting at is that they want you to be more proactive with your reads and/or supplying us with information.
THANK YOU!
In post 287, Alchemist21 wrote:I could probably have a good read on NC 39 if I knew which head made which posts.
I mean maybe it's just me but I feel like its p obvious which posts are mine and which are hers. If she isn't already singing I'll have her do that.
In post 290, Spangled wrote:What is the something that ‘scum never do’, sorry?
that was me making fun of you. I don't know, I feel like you town reading Gamma b/c he
IS
throwing pressure my way is slightly silly. Yes, applying pressure is more likely to come from town b/c there are always going to more town in the game from scum. It's just a silly weak statement. How do you differentiate between town applying pressure and scum applying pressure?
although you do go on to show that you understand scum do it as well
In post 290, Spangled wrote:And I say “almost always” because it is true — sometimes scum put pressure on people; I’m told that that is a very effective way to appear townie, and win the game. I tend to find that that is the goal scum aim for, yeah?
but I'm confused a little bit, if you understood this why did you and why do you think that I should think that he's just misguided town rather than scum throwing shade on me slot?
In post 290, Spangled wrote:I agree that those are fairly weak accusations, but you can’t really back up a read that seems to be completely gut.
he's accusing me of buddying him. That's not gut. He could provide evidence of what makes him think that. He's also saying that we are "off". He could also quote the posts that make him think this.
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Post #373 (isolation #42) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:58 am
Postby NC 39 »
In post 273, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay. You don't think you responding to a question directed at me and reacting with blank (undetailed) abjection to Alchemist saying your and my slot weren't towny enough for a coalition looked a little off to me? And like Spangled has a point, your suspicion of me is pretty weak itself.
I always ask ppl that are scum reading me why they are scum reading me regardless of alignment. We've also played a bunch together. Are you telling me that I've never once asked anyone that was scum reading me why they were scum reading me? And just in general, why is that a bad question? Should we just all be throwing out reads without reasons given? Why didn't
YOU
care that Achlem was reading you wrong? Or was he not?
In post 273, Gamma Emerald wrote:And like Spangled has a point, your suspicion of me is pretty weak itself.
that's really really not what he said though.
In post 290, Spangled wrote:I agree that those are fairly weak accusations, but you can’t really back up a read that seems to be completely gut.
He's saying that
YOUR
accusations are weak but defended them as gut despite that a buddying accusation is in fact not a gut accusation. Maybe one could argue that the "NC feels off" is a gut accusation but you are claiming you felt this way b/c I asked Aclem was he was not townreading me.
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this
I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
In post 398, Alchemist21 wrote:I can see your points on Great pushing against status quo a bit. However I think there’s too much wifom on their rep-in remarks about Clemency. Clemency doing what even he says he does as scum could be null because real life stuff happens but it certainly shouldn’t be a good sign that he’s Town to anyone. And they might not have hard pushed the idea but they are the one who introduced the idea and it comes off as a bit LAMIST for their slot and there’s just no way I can trust it enough for a Coalition vote.
Well, it wasn’t so much him doing what he says he does as scum; he seems to have completely siteflaked, I think, not just disappeared here. No, it’s more around the boldness and WIFOM-ness of the statement, if he was scum — if he knows he freezes up as scum (and probably has done so recently?) he’s definitely not going to mention it, is he?
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this
I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However,
it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
In post 405, NC 39 wrote:However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
I think in the case of many people — certainly it is for myself — that it’s more of a ‘at the lower end of null’ than a full scumread.
But I do see what you mean. Presumably, I suppose, scum are bussing in such a way that it gets them towncred — either that, or LUV is town. If no one’s scumreading him in a towncred-earning kind of way, then maybe the most likely conclusion is that he’s town...? Is that what you’re saying, here?
Well, we couldn’t possibly know that until he’s flipped but yeah, it’s seems too easy. In DnD, nearly everyone wanted to lynch Lovebird except RC and she wound up flipping town, so I’m thinking RCMA could possibly be right about LUV as well.
In post 405, NC 39 wrote:However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
I think in the case of many people — certainly it is for myself — that it’s more of a ‘at the lower end of null’ than a full scumread.
But I do see what you mean. Presumably, I suppose, scum are bussing in such a way that it gets them towncred — either that, or LUV is town. If no one’s scumreading him in a towncred-earning kind of way, then maybe the most likely conclusion is that he’s town...? Is that what you’re saying, here?
Well, we couldn’t possibly know that until he’s flipped but yeah, it’s seems too easy. In DnD, nearly everyone wanted to lynch Lovebird except RC and she wound up flipping town, so I’m thinking RCMA could possibly be right about LUV as well.
Makes sense, I suppose. I’ll take that with a grain of salt, though, because it feels to me as if RCMA have me/EP pegged very definitely as the scumteam, and if they weren’t scumreading me and him, who knows where their reads might be pointed? (If that makes sense.)
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Post #416 (isolation #48) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:20 am
Postby NC 39 »
I meant to respond to this as well. @Gamma, since you seem to feel quite strongly that my reads are “ill formed”, I’m sure that you shouldn’t have too much trouble quoting a few examples of this?
In post 417, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't like how you structured your PoE reads list, it seems your only real FoS is me, but LUV is lower? In addition there's my pre-exusting confusion about what the middle of the list is supposed to mean. It honestly feels like you vomited out reads without thinking them over really at all. That's what I mean.
It was a list of who I have as towniest to least towniest. It was in tiers, which I’ve already explained. It’s not my problem that you are inexplicably choosing to ignore that. Yes, it’s true, my read on you has plummeted. Maybe if you stop mischaracterizing my posts and insisting you understand my thought process better than I do, that might change.
buy that if there’s someone here he’s played a few games with (especially a scum game against), but so blatantly? Really?
If he’s scum, it just seems a pointless way to get yourself suspected if you seem to freeze up; the WIFOM seems all negative if he’s scum.
In post 405, NC 39 wrote:However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
I think in the case of many people — certainly it is for myself — that it’s more of a ‘at the lower end of null’ than a full scumread.
But I do see what you mean. Presumably, I suppose, scum are bussing in such a way that it gets them towncred — either that, or LUV is town. If no one’s scumreading him in a towncred-earning kind of way, then maybe the most likely conclusion is that he’s town...? Is that what you’re saying, here?
Well, we couldn’t possibly know that until he’s flipped but yeah, it’s seems too easy. In DnD, nearly everyone wanted to lynch Lovebird except RC and she wound up flipping town, so I’m thinking RCMA could possibly be right about LUV as well.
Makes sense, I suppose. I’ll take that with a grain of salt, though, because it feels to me as if RCMA have me/EP pegged very definitely as the scumteam, and if they weren’t scumreading me and him, who knows where their reads might be pointed? (If that makes sense.)
Do you think they’re wrong on LUV?
I don’t know — but you definitely have something decent there — when the consensus seems to be ‘they’re most likely scum’, there’s probably something not quite right going on, especially if people aren’t pushing them in a towncred-earning way.
Still wouldn’t really feel comfortable with them in the coalition, though — I’d really like some more reads and thoughts from them on the game, because they just
have not said enough
.
I agree, I’m not ready to put them into my coalition either at this point. I’m hoping he will do more to help me correctly read him but yeah, something about all of the sr on him, is definitely pinging me as possible mislynchbait.
In post 398, Alchemist21 wrote:I can see your points on Great pushing against status quo a bit. However I think there’s too much wifom on their rep-in remarks about Clemency. Clemency doing what even he says he does as scum could be null because real life stuff happens but it certainly shouldn’t be a good sign that he’s Town to anyone. And they might not have hard pushed the idea but they are the one who introduced the idea and it comes off as a bit LAMIST for their slot and there’s just no way I can trust it enough for a Coalition vote.
Well, it wasn’t so much him doing what he says he does as scum; he seems to have completely siteflaked, I think, not just disappeared here. No, it’s more around the boldness and WIFOM-ness of the statement, if he was scum — if he knows he freezes up as scum (and probably has done so recently?) he’s definitely not going to mention it, is he?
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this
I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However,
it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
@Great, what is your take on this?
And so many people have already pointed out that this is not nsg’s scumgame, so how are you still reading RCMA as a null?
In post 417, Gamma Emerald wrote:I don't like how you structured your PoE reads list, it seems your only real FoS is me, but LUV is lower? In addition there's my pre-exusting confusion about what the middle of the list is supposed to mean. It honestly feels like you vomited out reads without thinking them over really at all. That's what I mean.
It was a list of who I have as towniest to least towniest. It was in tiers, which I’ve already explained. It’s not my problem that you are inexplicably choosing to ignore that. Yes, it’s true, my read on you has plummeted. Maybe if you stop mischaracterizing my posts and insisting you understand my thought process better than I do, that might change.
Your middle makes no sense though wrt what it means.
Once again, what part of “it’s in tiers” are you struggling with? I didn’t have Hectic/Spangled/Alchemist as nulls. I had them as lower than RC/Espresso. - which I already explained to Great. Do you really need me to requote that post or are you just going to continue to disregard it, no matter how many times I say it?
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Post #432 (isolation #54) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:27 pm
Postby NC 39 »
In post 428, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay, point taken, but in that case what separates those groups? Confidence?
Stronger reads.
@Great, why are you voting Hecking? I thought he seemed to be sincerely trying to sort LUV. Or are you sr him because of his Alchemist vote? You gave a readslist but didn’t explain any of them.
it feels to me like hectic has been approaching the game in a way where he's overly concerned with how people perceive him. when he was criticized on the first page by RC, i think he reacted too strongly and focused on it for too long. similarly, posts like #190 make me feel like he was too concerned with whether or not his actions were being taken as town. it feels LAMIST, in a sense.
granted, i actually do like some of his recent takes on LUV, and i like that he called out expresso for defending his vote on alchemist. but it's odd to me that he's done this whole "alchemist is scum and i'll explain why later but not right now" thing for several days now.
i'm not sold on him being scum, but i feel like his tone and his approach has rubbed me the wrong way the most out of everyone so far.
as for RC, i just feel like they've done nothing so far that they wouldn't be capable of faking as scum. they seem to have lots of frustration with the way the game is being approached, and they're trying to discredit the universal townread on spangled as much as they can. but they haven't taken many solid stances yet as far as reads go and their tone just seems bitter and detached. i don't scumread them but i don't see a reason to believe that they're town yet. also, i was lowkey mad that they tried to discredit my reads/play in #377. seemed like an unnecessarily aggressive way to address me.
Tbf, some of your reads aren’t making a whole lot of sense to me either. And it’s annoying that you keep dodging my question.
This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy
The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.
this feels towny as well unless LUV is transparent enough as scum to show outrage at something like this
I’m not impressed by his underestimating of the value of the coalition or his RCMA tr, Had he given it at the time I asked him or earlier, I’d feel better about it. However, it’s slightly concerning to me that LUV seems to be sr by almost everyone but RCMA.
i actually agree with your thoughts on LUV, which is why i've backed off my scumread on him a bit. he had a few posts that pinged me as scummy but
i feel like he's an easy target and is essentially mislynch bait right now
.
as for why i null-read RC and scumread hectic, i just explained.
Wrt the bolded, That was the very point I was making last night. No wonder I find your reads confusing.
Have you ISO’d any of either RCMA’s or nsg’s scumgames?
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Post #440 (isolation #58) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:54 pm
Postby NC 39 »
In post 439, YOUAREGREAT wrote:what question am i dodging? and which of my reads don't make sense to you?[b{ it sounds like we agree now that LUV is mislynch bait and shouldn't be the focus of attention[/b].
and nope, i haven't iso'd either of their scumgames. how different is this game from their typical scum-meta?
You answered it now and in your last post. Well for one, if we’re agreeing on LUV, why are you sl me? And it’s entirely different for nsg, which is why I suggested you ISO both RCMA’s and nsg’s scumgames, to answer your question.
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Post #456 (isolation #59) » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:12 pm
Postby NC 39 »
In post 451, Gamma Emerald wrote:I mean look at how much time I had to put in to get a simple explanation for why a PoE list was structured how it was. Like I feel if I had to describe that hydra's play in one word it would be "defensive". They don't seem to handle any sort of pushing/pressure at all.
I’m finding responding to your posts, extremely frustrating, because you seem to be misreading some of my posts, even when I keep explaining them to you, repeatedly. I’m still trying to determine if that’s an actual misunderstanding on your part or intentional.
Like the list thing for example. I made it clear it was a list in tiers, from towniest reads to least towniest and I had to explain it to you more than once - after I had already and clearly explained it to Great.
So, it’s hard not to be tilted, when I get asked to explain the same exact thing more than once.