Micro 887: the coaLITion [game over]

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Hey guys

What’s shaking?

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this looks like fun

HEAL: Hectic, NC 39, Spangled, Alchemist, Espresso

VOTE: RC most awesomest

i can provide a few walls later if people doubt these reads

can I, without giving a long winded explanation of why these kinds of posts even made ironically throw me off and make me dislike the game, ask everyone who wants to win as town to not do this

A-fucking-men!

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Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

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Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

Okay this feels like an overreaction

Same thing goes for you.

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Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

Okay this feels like an overreaction

Same thing goes for you.

Actually how though.
VOTE: LUV
Don't recall you being this defensive.

I’m not sure if you’re misrepresenting me. Where am I anxious to challenge or avoid criticism?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

What's wrong with approaching the coalition setup with a solve mindset?

It doesn’t help in the long run.

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Could you maybe try playing the game and stop following the solve the setup philosophy?

Okay this feels like an overreaction

Same thing goes for you.

Actually how though.
VOTE: LUV
Don't recall you being this defensive.

I’m not sure if you’re misrepresenting me. Where am I anxious to challenge or avoid criticism?

You're anxious to challenge because you blindly snapped back by calling my call-out of you an overreaction.

What? When did I call anything you said or did an overreaction?

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I think it was obvious I was asking for you to try to play the game as well and not focus so heavily on the setup.

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If I wanted to buddy up to RC I would be clamoring to sheep him.

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I'll get to this tonight.

Was NC's last batch of posts from Nancy or Nero?

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What are your reads so far?

I just had RC hydra as town at this point.

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I'm liking Hectic's content and reads, but the difference in his playstyle is really nagging at me. It's almost like he's too good to be true now that he's playing normally, and I'm seeing that as a possible scum tactic.

@anyone else who has played with him, what are your thoughts on his behaviour? Do you think the change in his posting style is AI? Why/why not?

Could you provide analysis of quotes from games of his as each alignment? It’s hard to really acknowledge the meta argument you have against him without any.

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If I wanted to buddy up to RC I would be clamoring to sheep him.

So your defense is basically, "I'm not being obvious scum, therefore I'm not scum." Also, RC hasn't really given out any reads so you could even sheep him if you wanted to.

My defense is that simply agreeing with a fairly general sentiment about this setup isn’t going to win over skilled players like NSG and RC.

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@LUV
Any reads yet?

I’m still at just RC hydra town. I’m hoping that my disengagement will show you all that I’m obvious town here.

A few of you pass the eye test but it’s probably dangerous and incorrect to bin people as town just so I can have a coalition to propose.

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I don't agree and I don't know what to cite besides I'm better than you.

Yeah that's not convincing me. Quick question: besides Pokémon Ruby have you been N1d in any recent games?

This is really bad.

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sky give extension

-nsg

This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy

The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.

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LUV is still scum.

RC is town.

HURT: LUV

HEAL: RC

not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.

Don't like how Alchem is ignoring me as I think that often comes from scum.

And still, dislike Spangled.

but thats too many scum reads. So I'm wrong on 2 of those 4.

HEAL: RC most awesomest, Hectic, EspressoPatronum, NC 39 is a rock-solid coalition but I'm hesitant to add Clemency as some of his posts pinged me earlier.

So basically, who are the other town between Clem, Gamma, Alchem, and Spangled and I guess LUV in case I'm wrong but I don't think I am?

Nancy you can’t read me and Nero you always scum read me. I’m not scum here and I think if I was I would probably be a lot more active and playing like EP.

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i saw your tiers as: "town, null, scum", which would imply that i had done something specific to be scumread by you. now that i see it's POE, i understand where you're coming from.

i thought LUV was scum on my initial-readthrough as well, but i'm curious why you feel the same way. which lines from LUV did you not like?

They just haven’t done anything to warrant a tr so far. What bothered me the most was him telling Espresso to play the game, yet when I asked him for reads, he never gave any. Again, it’s POE, if he were to give some reads and explain them to my satisfaction, that would obviously change my read on him.

Not being forthcoming or giving reads doesn’t equal not the playing the game. I’m still town on RC and I want to lean town on Great.

I really like Spangled and Great’s read on you two. More so Great’s than Spangled but both do a good job in wording my thoughts better than I can.

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my disengagement will show you all that I’m obvious town here.

How tho

I’m more disengaged as town than scum.

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The only thing scummy is you making that out to be something

I’m not really unhappy. I kinda expected to be scum read by certain people going into this.

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VOTE: EspressoPatronum

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sky give extension

-nsg

This plz
The short deadline kinda makes forming a decent coalition hard. Even if we just get an extended D1 deadline I'll be happy

The bitching about the deadline is annoying. The coalition is not isn’t the be all end all. I’d be pissed as scum right now if Sky granted this.

LUV is still scum.

RC is town.

HURT: LUV

HEAL: RC

not a big fan of Gamma randomly trying to apply pressure to me.

Don't like how Alchem is ignoring me as I think that often comes from scum.

And still, dislike Spangled.

but thats too many scum reads. So I'm wrong on 2 of those 4.

HEAL: RC most awesomest, Hectic, EspressoPatronum, NC 39 is a rock-solid coalition but I'm hesitant to add Clemency as some of his posts pinged me earlier.

So basically, who are the other town between Clem, Gamma, Alchem, and Spangled and I guess LUV in case I'm wrong but I don't think I am?

Nancy you can’t read me and Nero you always scum read me. I’m not scum here and I think if I was I would probably be a lot more active and playing like EP.

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

LUV can you elaborate on your EP read?

The poor reasoning.

Lurking isn’t AI. I know there are many players like EP who think it is but until he can tell me how I’m manipulating the game state in my favor by intentional doing it, that point is basically invalid. I’d argue that it’s obvious I’m town lurking here because I do not care that people notice. I mean I’ve been prodded like 3 times already. I’d also argue that it’s obvious because a simple glance at my other ongoing games would show that my lurking here is out of disinterest and laziness. There is also real life constraints and play style quirks that he’s failing to acknowledge as well.

When I signed up for this game I didn’t think there was going to be an insane amount of focus on winning Day 1. I actually thought we would just scum hunt normally and once we have decided on a lynch together, put the towniest people in a coalition and hope for the best. I don’t think having this belief or approach makes me scum.

He calls my reads weak but never attempts to ask me about them. Not once did he ask me to expand.

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Didn’t town end up winning that game?

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I wish I could tell who has been mostly posting from the NC 39 hydra because I would have more of a read of my own there. I definitely don’t want them in though because I’ve been feeling the same way you and Great have been about them.

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Gamma could be scum but I’m not sure if I’m just annoyed at him still voting me.

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I have had a kind of weird scum-gut-read for a while on NC 39 because of occasionally abrasive interaction with me, but I looked over both my and their ISO and I’m pretty sure that I have been equally at fault in my abrasiveness — see my previous post for an example, actually, now that I think about it — toward them, and I feel like it’s a kind of semi-instinctive OMGUS that I should

probably

ignore.

not a fan of this post. so far, NC's gameplay feels like it's a lot of style over substance. he outs a lot of reads and fronts confidently but i don't really get the impression there's much of a genuine thought process behind his play. i like his pressure on alchemist, but it feels like he's too eager to catch him in a "gotcha" moment.

same with him writing off gamma's sr on him as "weak accusations". it feels like his default mode is defensive and afraid

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I can’t propose one because I wouldn’t have enough sufficient reasoning and I don’t even have 5 town reads. Alchemist, EP, and Spangled look like they’re game solving and genuinely have town best interest in mind but simply passing the eye test isn’t enough for me with how focused everyone is on a coalition.

I think RCMA emphasized that because he doesn’t have faith that this town is skilled enough in mountainous.

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Yeah it stems from RC tired of being fear scum read and gauging skill level. I’m not saying he’s wrong but I think if anyone else said that it would be ignored.

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I can’t propose one because I wouldn’t have enough sufficient reasoning and I don’t even have 5 town reads. Alchemist, EP, and Spangled look like they’re game solving and genuinely have town best interest in mind but simply passing the eye test isn’t enough for me with how focused everyone is on a coalition.

I think RCMA emphasized that because he doesn’t have faith that this town is skilled enough in mountainous.

And you don’t agree? Why would you not want a coalition? Most games are won by town on D1, by getting it right. Don’t you see that having no coalition at all, only helps scum?

Even a failed coalition gives us information, where no coalition tells us absolutely nothing. How are you not seeing this?

I think you’re misunderstanding. It’s not that I don’t want to vote or propose for one. I just don’t want to invest in one I don’t really believe in because I would feel bad if it failed.

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Of course they’re scum sided, I just don’t think that’s a worry for an RC that feels he can work with a town.

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You might wanna read that game NC 39.

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You might wanna read that game NC 39.

Are you now agreeing with nsg on Spangled?

And can you explain your Espresso vote? Didn’t you say you thought he was solving?

No I’m saying you should read that game to understand the thoughts they’re having in regards to Spangled.

I said it looks like he’s solving. It’s easy to look like you’re solving but harder to actually deceive town that you are. I’m still voting him because I didn’t like his response to me about why I scum read him and I don’t think I have anywhere better to place my vote at the moment.

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What’s the case on Alchemist again?

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I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.

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Hi.

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All I have so far is EP’s thoughts on the night kill feel super fake to me.

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Time is limited right now but NC that looks like you’re trying to find a way to vote me without much blowback.

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Time is limited right now but NC that looks like you’re trying to find a way to vote me without much blowback.

Spoiler:

All I have so far is EP’s thoughts on the night kill feel super fake to me.

You can’t just make this post and not elaborate. What about them reads fake to you?

I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.

What’s the case on Alchemist again?

Yes, that clearly worked out well for us. :/

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

So, why were you voting Espresso over Alchemist yesterday?

I asked you A) to explain both your Espresso vote, considering you were pushing Alchemist yesterday and B) to explain what about Espresso’s posts, you find “fake”.

Atp in the game, your vote isn’t getting “blowback” isn’t telling me anything but that you aren’t for some reason, interested in answering my questions.

What? I wasn’t pushing Alchemist yesterday? I really don’t get why you’re asking me about EP. I’m pretty sure I made it clear why I scum read him yesterday. Why aren’t you focused on who was on the wagon?

The hint of defeatist attitude in EP’s opening post today feels fake because he didn’t seem at all invested in the consensus Alchemist scum read and it took the threat of a no lynch for him to hammer.

Calling RCMA a potential mislynch and a sub-optimal kill target feels fake because I think we can both agree that no one here is capable of going toe-to-toe with RC in a one-on-one as scum and would much rather do away with him in the night. I feel like EP would be very much aware of this due to how much stock he puts into meta.

I’m not interested because outside of asking me to explain my thoughts on EP’s earlier posts today, they don’t make sense.

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Time is limited right now but NC that looks like you’re trying to find a way to vote me without much blowback.

Spoiler:

All I have so far is EP’s thoughts on the night kill feel super fake to me.

You can’t just make this post and not elaborate. What about them reads fake to you?

I think limiting the lynch pool solely to those who were in the failed coalition is more likely to lead to a town loss.

What’s the case on Alchemist again?

Yes, that clearly worked out well for us. :/

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

So, why were you voting Espresso over Alchemist yesterday?

I asked you A) to explain both your Espresso vote, considering you were pushing Alchemist yesterday and B) to explain what about Espresso’s posts, you find “fake”.

Atp in the game, your vote isn’t getting “blowback” isn’t telling me anything but that you aren’t for some reason, interested in answering my questions.

What? I wasn’t pushing Alchemist yesterday? I really don’t get why you’re asking me about EP. I’m pretty sure I made it clear why I scum read him yesterday. Why aren’t you focused on who was on the wagon?

The hint of defeatist attitude in EP’s opening post today feels fake because he didn’t seem at all invested in the consensus Alchemist scum read and it took the threat of a no lynch for him to hammer.

Calling RCMA a potential mislynch and a sub-optimal kill target feels fake because I think we can both agree that no one here is capable of going toe-to-toe with RC in a one-on-one as scum and would much rather do away with him in the night. I feel like EP would be very much aware of this due to how much stock he puts into meta.

I’m not interested because outside of asking me to explain my thoughts on EP’s earlier posts today, they don’t make sense.

I don’t understand how Espresso not being eager to vote Alchemist is scummy, since he already made it clear, he didn’t want to lynch outside of coalition.

That’s assuming EP is familiar with his meta but I didn’t really get the “suboptimal” kill part. I remember he did change his mind on that.

Your posts are super frustrating to me because I don’t know if you are scum trying to give me a migraine or town who is annoyed at me for not being a bloody mindreader!

All I know is we have a little less than two days and nothing you’s said is convincing me to vote Espresso over you.

It’s not that he wasn’t eager. It’s him saying he wants to go back lynching inside the coalition that read defeatist and just doesn’t make sense to me when he wasn’t all that gung-ho about an Alchemist lynch first place.

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Nancy honestly I’m not scum here. Don’t you remember Mathblade’s flipless game?

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Nancy honestly I’m not scum here. Don’t you remember Mathblade’s flipless game?

Probably not unless I was in it? Do you have a link?

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Lmao wait what

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No I get that. My mind is just blown right now.

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VC 2.03 Lil Uzi Vert (2): gobbledygook, EspressoPatronum Not Voting (5): Hectic, Spangled, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, NC 39 With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-23 19:25:00).

This is so frustrating. Once again, LUV isn’t voting. He was voting Espresso but preferred Alchemist and now, he wants Espresso but isn’t voting anyone.

When did I prefer Alchemist? Could you quote and show the multiple posts in which I expressed a scum read on him and campaigned for his lynch?

I don’t understand why are you putting the onus of the game on me. Was I revealed to be an Innocent Child or something and missed it?

It’s posts like this that will cause town to lose games. You’re pushing me because you do not like how I’m playing as opposed to thinking my play is scum motivated.

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VC 2.03 Lil Uzi Vert (2): gobbledygook, EspressoPatronum Not Voting (5): Hectic, Spangled, Gamma Emerald, Lil Uzi Vert, NC 39 With 7 players alive, it takes 4 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-23 19:25:00).

This is so frustrating. Once again, LUV isn’t voting. He was voting Espresso but preferred Alchemist and now, he wants Espresso but isn’t voting anyone.

Either LUV is scum and all of this makes sense, or LUV is town and he's pretty much throwing the game.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the former. If it's the latter, I definitely don't want him in lylo.

One player not voting at this stage is somehow throwing the game?

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I’ve never been a particularly strong town player guys. When I am engaged as town, I can have above average reads but it still doesn’t change the fact that I’m just not a very assertive or charismatic in pushing them.

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I believe there’s scum in EP and Nancy. I don’t know how to articulate it then there pushes are bad and that I’m obvious town here based on my disengagement.

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other then*

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What do you think of Hectic?

Null I guess.

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I believe there’s scum in EP and Nancy. I don’t know how to articulate it then there pushes are bad and that I’m obvious town here based on my disengagement.

Why? Because I keep encouraging you to be more readable but you refuse? So, I’m scummy for voting you? You’re not even freaking voting!

I’m not refusing. I simply can’t no matter how hard I try.

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I’m not trying to convince anybody because I don’t think anything I’ll say will sway you guys to vote him.

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Let’s do it.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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I voted Gamma because he’s not a town read and I don’t think anything I’ll say or do will get anyone else to vote in EP and Nancy.

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NC was obvious scum.

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NC was obvious scum.

When she was the only one efforting, no, it wasn’t.

Yes, it was. If you actually read any of what she was pushing, you would’ve realized that. Effort does not equal alignment.