Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[DkKoba]

HURT: clover
HURT: alduskkel

[DkKoba]

but now I need to figure out which of deimos/wug/sleeper to trust bc I see the merit of a clover/aldu solve but the beauty of a 4 player exception is that we can exclude 2 possible scumteams.

[DkKoba]

players I'm actually sure about being town: klick(bc votato slot, votato is incredibly easy to read ) and pooky
players that im leaning towards being town: DC(would like to see more contribution from them)
idfk anymore: everyone else

[DkKoba]

I'm no good at d1 solves, it takes flips to help me I think that I'm going to treat the coalition as a test for my top 2 scumteam reads being eliminated rather than trying to exclusively win outright because I'm only going to out-bigbrain myself that way. idk if anyone else sees what I'm saying, but trying to use the coalition for information and setting up a later solve should it be wrong is the best bet here.

[DkKoba]

not succinctly but their words feel like poison

[DkKoba]

I'm honestly not even bothered to interact with pooky anymore because they ARE tunneling and I already sorted their slot so there's 0 point in it since i have nothing to gain but wasted words they can think I'm scum all they want because in case they haven't noticed the conversation has moved on and I've already said my piece.

I'd rather have Pooky in the coalition over anyone but you klick as your slot and pooky's slots are the only 2 i'm sure of (yours because of votato )

[DkKoba]

[quote="In post 983, Klick"][/quote]

perhaps it can be better framed that it was a conversation albeit a futile one

[DkKoba]

nice one MS, good quote

[DkKoba]

HURT: all
HEAL: DkKoba
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Klick
HEAL: Sleeper
I'm looking for a good final slot but this is where I'm at with the core I've determined. pooky/klick are self explainatory at this point. and klick has solidified my read on them.

sleeper after reexamining the co-ISO with deimos I feel better about.

now I need to try to hit what is theoretically a 3/5 chance in deimos/don/aldu/mug/clover

clover being the top spot atm and don/aldu behind and then deimos/mug being my top scumreads at this point I feel.

[DkKoba]

Disregarding my own very uncertain read on Pooky, I suspect Pooky won't be agreeing to a coalition with you in it.

Well I do. I re-read DC's ISO and Pooky's interaction with Koba and now those players feel town to me again. But this leaves me townreading every player in the game except Aldus/Clover. So someone's pulled a fast one on me.

imma be real w you, I have been considering the solve that excludes them too because when you asked me why I townread clover I was like "well shit I don't really atm why is this kid in my coalition"

Talk to me about this? My thoughts are that it's going to be particularly difficult to form a successful coalition if we just write off the less active players for lack of evidence. If Clover/Aldus are town we have to attempt to solidify a read there today, even if it feels premature. And I agreed with your initial assessment of Clover!town.

clover just gives me .. weird vibes? Idk. I'm really paranoid at this point.

also re: pooky not putting me in their coalition. If I have to I'll take them out but I'm not going to take someone out who I am sure of being town unless I have to.

[DkKoba]

Sleeper I literally put Pooky in as locktown so if my points made sense then you should 100% want him in your coalition

and to aldu's question: thought it was rhetorical since you followed that up with a statement but id rather eliminate "likely" scumteams early on (i.e. find people who seem paired, not as in buddying but as in scumpaired if you know what I mean).

I don't like that people are trying to hardfocus on pooky's bad tunnel, its fairly blatant town ego from my point of view, so if you do townread me then you should trust me. there's no way you're getting an explanation out of pooky I'm guessing even if you were to put him at L-1 if the coalition fails.

[DkKoba]

Hi, I haven’t really been enjoying this game or been able to get into it really

I’ll try to do a reread today and to say who I think the coalition should be

any update on this?

[DkKoba]

also pooky if you're willing to read me in good faith and discuss things I will talk but I'm going to continue to ignore anything you say about me and not respond to it until you agree to have a conversation and not just a conf bias 1 way dialogue

[DkKoba]

I said that earlier bc I got the vibe that deimos was just doing that light pokey thing that scum like to do with eachother to make it seem like they aren't teamed/are independent while not making substantial moves against eachother

but after doing a dual ISO of them i figured it was not likely

[DkKoba]

anyone else agree that tuxedo/wug slot is most definitely scum

[DkKoba]

I've been mulling it over but I feel good enough that i can be like "yeah thats scum" based on both people in that slot's behavior.

[DkKoba]

I will ellaborate tomorrow though cause im super sleep deprived rn good night (:

[DkKoba]

yoink. I gotta go work

[DkKoba]

whats my cuerent coalition list

[DkKoba]

HEAL: clover

[DkKoba]

also if this coalition is wrong im voting wug amyways for 3 clears lmao

[DkKoba]

itd be nice to see some more effort from DC

[DkKoba]

VOTE: mug

[DkKoba]

guess whos drunk

[DkKoba]

I saw klick posting elsewhere on site but nothing here i am curious as to why ):

[DkKoba]

u are mafia

[DkKoba]

its simple if u get mafia outside coalition on d1 u get 3 clears

[DkKoba]

Oh sorry i was speaking with the assumption that wug is scum which she is

[DkKoba]

u subbed into a scum slot lmao

[DkKoba]

take a shot for every prod in the game

[DkKoba]

Hmmm

[DkKoba]

I dont like the rush

[DkKoba]

LMAO

[DkKoba]

if pooky doesnt come around to my suggestion I'll go with yours klick

[DkKoba]

why are u so unconcerned with being scumread

[DkKoba]

alduskkel why do you townread deimos

[DkKoba]

I think my coalition is a winning one. and at worst it puts the slots I want on the inside on the inside and on the outside on the outside.

[DkKoba]

I got the opposite vibe - I didn't like 1103 much at all. It felt out of place compared to their complaints about inactivity.

DK, can I ask how you'd play this spot as scum? and how that contrasts your current play? I figure you know how to read you better than any of us

I have no idea personally I'd try to get both my partner and I on the coalition but thats about it.

[DkKoba]

I think koba's playstyle makes putting them in the coalition risky, even though they are town. I've kind of lost the passion for this game, so I haven't been looking extra hard, but I think I would prefer a coalition without koba if possible.

HURT: koba

but what do you read me as.

[DkKoba]

so if I'm town why do you want to exclude me

[DkKoba]

nice yoink

[DkKoba]

my brain

[DkKoba]

I'm not surprised koba 'hurt' me in retaliation, that's part of what I consider to be the problem with their playstyle, hence the search for an alternative.

I didnt hurt you in retaliation though.

[DkKoba]

hi we aren't doing don clover Idk why you are trying to force it to happen

[DkKoba]

im at work so can't really discuss much but i'll be back in like 4 hours

[DkKoba]

im home now.

I want an update from everyone on where they're at for each slot at the table. I'm willing to adjust certain parts of my coalition if needed but fwiw I think mine is a winning one, if not one that helps grant a near "autowin"

[DkKoba]

stop prodging and start playing please

[DkKoba]

DC I appreciate the extended effort but I'm still likely to exclude you (:

[DkKoba]

I see deimos is online so I await their posts at some point ~~~

[DkKoba]

the bug of not caring about this game is getting to me

[DkKoba]

yall letting mafia hide among the slankers

[DkKoba]

if I was to remove clover I'd put in aldu over you

[DkKoba]

thats 2 matching coalitions lets get 3 more

[DkKoba]

DC who is scum in my proposed coalition?

[DkKoba]

HURT: all
HEAL: Klick
HEAL: Clover
HEAL: DkKoba
HEAL: Sleeper
HEAL: Pooky

Okay Koba you win.

I'm framing this post in the post game if this is correct

[DkKoba]

/hang datisi for spamming for page top :^)

[DkKoba]

im home now.

I want an update from everyone on where they're at for each slot at the table. I'm willing to adjust certain parts of my coalition if needed but fwiw I think mine is a winning one, if not one that helps grant a near "autowin"

Why don't you want DC?

because they come off as exhausted scum to me who just made a last ditch effort to get included

[DkKoba]

"I would have hardbussed my partner by now if I was scum"

*is voting Wug who is my top scumread*

[DkKoba]

thank u pooky

[DkKoba]

u were literally booted out bc u were doing the bare minimum... sis ur describing what your play was to a T while saying you "could have" done something.

[DkKoba]

I'll consider you town if the coalition fails (and imma be real u will probably be cleared by hanging Wug)

[DkKoba]

thats another shot

[DkKoba]

I agree with that assessment ^

[DkKoba]

sleeper and pooky please just lock it in so we can find out if we win or nott

[DkKoba]

honestly just because of how anti climactic this game would be with a win here I want it to not succeed for the sake of hype LOL if that makes sense

[DkKoba]

the coalition is meant to give us the best info in case it fails and the current one as is will do just that,

[DkKoba]

all that happens if it fails if we put you on it is that we end up voting you out after we vote out wug.

[DkKoba]

Sleeper can you join the 3/5 accepted coalition pls so we can utilize the rest of our time for D1 if we're wrong?

[DkKoba]

coalition

the coalition of

Klick

,

Clover Ebi

,

SleeperSoul

,

PookyTheMagicalBear

, and

DkKoba

has been locked in.

the coalition has

failed

.

flavour

mod notes

• bruh moment

same


also I guess this means my theory was probably correct and Klick/Votato slot is scum :/

lets get Wug please

[DkKoba]

ok buddy sure thing

[DkKoba]

you HAMMERED it.

[DkKoba]

you complained about not being in it without casing anything. now I can confirm that you can only be scum with people within the coalition. that Deimos is likely town.

when wug flip scum it literally clears you so maybe calm down and go with your original scumread

[DkKoba]

god how many people who are probably town have to ego FOS me this game.

[DkKoba]

pooky isn't getting hanged here.

[DkKoba]

the ISO button exists to remove my posts if you need to read other slots more easily bud

[DkKoba]

I think I just underestimated koba’s scumgame tbh

[DkKoba]

if I'm scum I was going to bring you into the coalition you dink. I literally put you in the pile that cleared you of being partners with anyone outside the coalition with you.

[DkKoba]

regardless we have 2 MLs if I end up being flipped today my voice is confirmed town. if wug is wrong I'll self on d2

[DkKoba]

I hope you understand that I don't reveal all my intentions / reads on purpose so scum can't use them to manipulate the narrative, right? I already DID hint at a Klick FOS if the coalition fails earlier but I never named him. I had Wug marked down regardless.

[DkKoba]

my biggest fears were teams with:

Deimos/Aldu
DonC/Deimos
DonC/Wug
Deimos/Wug
Aldu/Wug

like I had these team reads that all made sense to me and putting them all outside the coalition from my point of view made most sense to me.

[DkKoba]

the only reason you would go for lynching on-coalition is if you're pretty damn sure there are 2 scum on coalition

[DkKoba]

Don just let the scum hang machine go brrrr and get Wug thanks

[DkKoba]

I'd rather not go for Klick as if wug is town that clears him based on the theory I have

[DkKoba]

DC you don't sound like you are trying to gamesolve rn and just want to hang anyone you can.

Are you against gaining 3 clears? are you that scared of hanging a scumread outside of the coalition?
in the coaltion you have 1/5 chance if you read only 1 mafia in it.
outside its 1/4

so either you townread all the slots outside or you have reason to believe both scum got onto the coaltion.

[DkKoba]

optimal play is to create 3 clears outside the coalition if its a possibility.

[DkKoba]

So you are just going to stubbornly ignore the logic I have presented about having a solid scumread outside the coalition creating clears?

[DkKoba]

ok who's my partner inside the coalition

[DkKoba]

Klick is now able to open scum sheeping your vote and you're too focused on your tunnel to see that

[DkKoba]

bruv the path of least resistance was to put you in the coalition but i fought to keep you out for information reasons. so maybe utilize occam's razor before you hurt your brain

[DkKoba]

i think you need to go cool down and take a walk or something because you're not thinking straight right now

[DkKoba]

alright buddy. I await to hear what deimos has to say because I now townlean him based on info.

sorry deimos for not trusting you but I was really uneasy with your play

[DkKoba]

you're going to need to convince more than just you wug and klick then

[DkKoba]

I'm feeling deja vu from an interaction from earlier in the game...

[DkKoba]

can you stop using he/him thanks.

[DkKoba]

if I end up getting flipped and you end up town I expect and apology from you postgame

[DkKoba]

an apology*

[DkKoba]

we are Not doing a TvT wagon on D1

[DkKoba]

I don't think pooky's push on me was scum motivated. I had my doubts also about the votato push how it was light hearted and they waited until there was traction in order to sheep it.

[DkKoba]

at the time I was willing to TR the slot and partially from OGI too lol. but now I'm coming around back to reexamining that as well as Tuxedo/Wug slot being extremely scummy

[DkKoba]

anyways has anyone noticed how votato/tux and wug/klick avoid eachother like the plague for the most part?

[DkKoba]

people too scared to do big dick plays and it shows

[DkKoba]

I didnt desperately force myself on the Coalition. That's like saying i force dissolved a wagon that was formed in RVS. Why are you pretending like that Coalition that was formed that early was serious at all

[DkKoba]

anyways has anyone noticed how votato/tux and wug/klick avoid eachother like the plague for the most part?

this is bad
i asked klick a question
didn't really ask a lot of other questions
so avoided klick the least

VOTE: dkkoba

weak.

also its ok bc votato and tux did the incriminating for you 2 before they replaced out <3

[DkKoba]

giving intent to hammer myself in 24 hours. I'm done arguing with walls

[DkKoba]

at least with me out of the equation it makes scum have to scramble to figure out a nightkill that doesn't incriminate themselves.

[DkKoba]

whatever the team is. because Iknow I was the n1 kill if I wasn't getting tunneled rm

[DkKoba]

shut up klick you're just mechposting rn bc ur probably scum and don't want to face that you don't even want to read anyone right now.

[DkKoba]

if either klick or wug flip town i do trust that the rest of town can figure it out anyways.

[DkKoba]

people not even fucking questioning why klick and wug insta voted me with no reason. I see why sleeper and DC did. and dc a fool rn locked into their tunnel bc they're buttmad they were kicked out of the coalition.

[DkKoba]

yall town on my wagon the type of players to be too scared to hang a PR claim in a game even if they scummy. just because of mechanics

[DkKoba]

using statistics like that are a lazy way of avoiding confronting your own reads.

what information are people looking out of a town flip of me ?

we just toss away a ML that's it

[DkKoba]

I think Koba is by far the most likely scum in the coalition, and I also think regardless of the flip it'll significantly progress towards a solve

how about you explain this

[DkKoba]

Inevitably we are going to have to whittle down the coalition. There is definitely at least one scum there. Those are slots we HAVE to find scum in at some point. Why would we put it off chasing a rabbit hole that might only have town in it?

I agree that Wug is scummy. I don't KNOW that Wug is scum. I KNOW that at least one of Koba/Pooky/Sleeper/Clover is scum. At this point, regardless of any townreads you might have on those players, you need to adjust them relative to each other because there IS scum there.

Wug/Aldus/Deimos/Don might be scummy. Hell, they were left out of the coalition because they couldn't get townread enough. But you're either shooting 1/4 there, or you're literally lynching in a pool of four town. And you can't claim you're that confident in all of Don/Deimos/Aldus being town, because you didn't have them in your coalition.

Put aside your reads for a sec and solve with the information that we've been given.

OK: is there 2 scum in the coaltion? y/n. Answer concisely.

[DkKoba]

my intent to self hammer stands btw

[DkKoba]

i'm just exposing these 2 frauds bc its clear they don't actually have a real read on me

[DkKoba]

no one is budging so why bother

[DkKoba]

"hurr u led a failed coalition u must be the mafia!""

-noobtown

[DkKoba]

my town flip is enough info for people to see the motivation set forth on the wagon and the reactions gained will be good enough for me

[DkKoba]

wug/klick. already stated b4

[DkKoba]

also the only scumteam i see aldu on is with Pooky so please reread aldu if Pooky ends up scum in the future. thx

[DkKoba]

its big brain take

[DkKoba]

I've recently gotten into chess to practice my ability to calculate many possibilities based on the boardstate handed to me

[DkKoba]

i said pooky / aldu team... LOL

sorry for subbing out .

yall d1 and d2 hangs were awful tho im ngl town

[DkKoba]

on retrospect i trusted pooky too much

[DkKoba]

“Person who called it as every possible team gets correct teamsolve”

i specifically said if pooky scumflip his partner is likely aldu???

yeah my tunnel on wug was bad but what can i say except that ppl misread lol