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Post #1330 (isolation #200) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:59 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1326, Isis wrote:I do think you might be irrationally tunneled and it's worrying how a dramatic bus just didn't even register.
Subverting a scumread for a nitpicky reason like game format seems like it would come out of a veteran scum playbook even when the target is town just because of how it can confuse the game state, that's why I don't think that's a slam dunk
Sure, I think it’s very possible that Tayl0r bussed. Is that what you’re getting at? NM voted you and Ydrasse didn’t vote anyone.
I’m not sure I’m following this, because what I’m saying makes a helluva lot of sense.
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Post #1344 (isolation #202) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:07 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1332, Isis wrote:But you thought Pooky was super townie. So did PlusJOYED. Why would she bus a partner who could endgame when she could just pretend she hadn't seen the thread
Because she knew I was pushing her and 100% would have after you flipped. What 100% decided it for me was Pooky’s odd post defending her. I was leaning to vote him anyway but that was the deciding factor, that you and Tayl0r could never be scum where because of that odd post, Pooky obviously could be. I still would really love it if anyone would seriously look at my case on Tayl0r and critically examine it because I really don’t think I’m wrong but if anyone can explain to me how she posts the exact same way in every single towngame but 180 degrees differently here and still be town, I’ll unvote her but rn I’m not seeing it.
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Post #1347 (isolation #205) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:16 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
I just don’t understand why Ydrasse or anyone pairs themselves with an unconfirmed slot. It reads that either Ydrasse or me was likely set up to be executed first. So, that just seems seriously dumb.
It means that they are disconnected and not reading the game and why wouldn’t town!Tayl0r be doing that?
why wouldnt scum!taylor be doing that? your only meta is from marathon games and you only have town meta. this is a trash meta argument
No it 100% not but I’m not willing to risk being spanked to elaborate why it isn’t. I was actually starting to feel better about before you said this. :/
In post 1275, Loki Dokie wrote:@mod, does this work similarly to how lovers’ roles usually work? If one lover is executed, does the other automatically suicide?
Yes.
I’d happily execute Tayl0r if I had been paired with her, which is of course why I wasn’t.
@Dru
This is what I mean. Scum!Tayl0r knows I wouldn’t hesitate to vote her no matter who she was paired with, so I think that’s why I wasn’t paired with her.
but uh, if taylor was town here, how would she have chosen the pairs?
She obviously wouldn’t have. I’m dyslexic, so there’s your explanation for that.
this feels like a bit of a scumslip, knowing you picked the pairs but saying youre town
And what are you going to say when I flip town which I 100% will and in a world where you’re actually town, I think it’s interesting that you’d actually think I’d lie about having dyslexia. If it seriously comes down to it, I will have 0 problems proving this is true.
@mod can you tell us how many day phases we have left? I’m guessing two?
Upon an execution, the game will enter a new day phase until the mafia is dead or achieves parity with the town.
I don’t understand how that’s even possible with two confirmed townies in the game? Oh wait, so if Ydrasse is town and we get executed, we’ll lose, because scum would just push the remaining pair. Please Ydrasse, be town.
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Post #1371 (isolation #211) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:48 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1357, PlusJOYED wrote:do we know if pooky was the recruited or the recruiter?
did the maf know about lovers?
I have no idea but I’m guessing he more likely be the recruited because I don’t think he’d likely pick Tayl0r. I do think it ridiculous that she echoed flipped scum on debunking my meta argument and that she accuses me of scumslipping when I said I’m dyslexic. I think town!Tayl0r wouldn’t automatically jump to that conclusion, which is why I think it makes no sense for Ydrasse to have paired herself with an unconfirmed slot. I don’t think NM has any reason whatsoever to want me be the next executed pair and I thought for a moment that I was taking crazy pills that no one was seeing how the lovers pairings most logically point to Tayl0r, so thank you for helping me to maintain my sanity.
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Post #1372 (isolation #212) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:49 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1361, Isis wrote:Each lover pairing has at least one unconfirmed player. So there's two executions until we lose. Tomorrow it's possible a confirmed townie has to self vote if they believe their partner is scum, today confirmed townies can put that unpleasantry off if they prefer
No, me and Ydrasse have two, which is why I think it highly unlikely she’s scum, because I don’t think she’s an idiot.
In post 1275, Loki Dokie wrote:@mod, does this work similarly to how lovers’ roles usually work? If one lover is executed, does the other automatically suicide?
Yes.
I’d happily execute Tayl0r if I had been paired with her, which is of course why I wasn’t.
@Dru
This is what I mean. Scum!Tayl0r knows I wouldn’t hesitate to vote her no matter who she was paired with, so I think that’s why I wasn’t paired with her.
but uh, if taylor was town here, how would she have chosen the pairs?
She obviously wouldn’t have. I’m dyslexic, so there’s your explanation for that.
this feels like a bit of a scumslip, knowing you picked the pairs but saying youre town
And what are you going to say when I flip town which I 100% will and in a world where you’re actually town, I think it’s interesting that you’d actually think I’d lie about having dyslexia. If it seriously comes down to it, I will have 0 problems proving this is true.
im not denying that you have dyslexia - i take that at face value. im just saying i dont think having dyslexia is why you slipped there, or at least it isnt the whole reason. if you flip town then i have to convince people to go for NM, which is gonna be tough. if im scum i never set myself up to have to win that 1v1, because i have way more scum equity than NM. id for sure either put myself in the duo, or more likely 1v1 someone like plus. these pairings are awful for me as scum, because the way its set up i have near 0% chance of surviving.
If you believe I have dyslexia than you don’t believe I slipped. This post is incredibly scummy btw.
In post 1357, PlusJOYED wrote:do we know if pooky was the recruited or the recruiter?
did the maf know about lovers?
I have no idea but I’m guessing he more likely be the recruited because I don’t think he’d likely pick Tayl0r. I do think it ridiculous that she echoed flipped scum on debunking my meta argument and that she accuses me of scumslipping when I said I’m dyslexic. I think town!Tayl0r wouldn’t automatically jump to that conclusion, which is why I think it makes no sense for Ydrasse to have paired herself with an unconfirmed slot. I don’t think NM has any reason whatsoever to want me be the next executed pair and I thought for a moment that I was taking crazy pills that no one was seeing how the lovers pairings most logically point to Tayl0r, so thank you for helping me to maintain my sanity.
lets do a little exercise here. as ydrasse, what pairings would you pick? as me what pairings would you pick? as NM what would you pick?
How the hell would I know that? I can tell you that I would 100% pair myself with a confirmed slot. In my case probably plus over Isis for the exact reasons I’ve already explained. I also think scum!me wouldn’t have treestumped Kanna over plus. I don’t know but I think it’s really freaking obvious that Ydrasse and me were set up to be the first execution and the fact that you’re pushing a player in an unconfirmed slot first is pretty sketchy, imo because it’s pretty obvious we were very likely intended to be the first execution, eventhough mechanically it makes absolutely no sense to anyone who hasn’t had a recent lobotomy.
In post 1361, Isis wrote:Each lover pairing has at least one unconfirmed player. So there's two executions until we lose. Tomorrow it's possible a confirmed townie has to self vote if they believe their partner is scum, today confirmed townies can put that unpleasantry off if they prefer
No, me and Ydrasse have two, which is why I think it highly unlikely she’s scum, because I don’t think she’s an idiot.
why doesnt this point to NM as much as me? like i generally buy the argument. but NM is equally implicated.
Because I was pushing you and I am in the unconfirmed slot. Why do you think NM does this to me specifically? I was pushing you not him.
In post 1369, drusilla wrote:loki dokie votes pookythemagicalbear in 1.6 putting to E-1; why if mafia?
I already had him as locktown but I guess there can always be more chains and padlocks
Drusilla is mistaken, that was Kanna, I put him to E - 2. I voted Pooky after Drusilla, then you. I am very obviously town and I honestly think it’s disgusting that Tayl0r is trying to claim my dyslexia is some sort of scum slip.
In post 1369, drusilla wrote:loki dokie votes pookythemagicalbear in 1.6 putting to E-1; why if mafia?
I already had him as locktown but I guess there can always be more chains and padlocks
Drusilla is mistaken, that was Kanna, I put him to E - 2. I voted Pooky after Drusilla, then you. I am very obviously town and I honestly think it’s disgusting that Tayl0r is trying to claim my dyslexia is some sort of scum slip.
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Post #1391 (isolation #219) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:12 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1045, Isis wrote:Ydrasse, Not Mafia, and Tayl0r Swift rank below you.
Ydrasse - it's more likely to have trouble getting footing in a game as scum compared to town. It feels mean when you have to scumread someone who is struggling if they are actually town, but that's how it is.
N_M - I felt like he didn't meme in any phase of the game as much as he would if town.
Tayl0r - being irritating in condemn phase is very weakly town indicative, I'm underwhelmed now. People have pointed out some possible inconsistency in her condemn phase mind set
In post 1369, drusilla wrote:loki dokie votes pookythemagicalbear in 1.6 putting to E-1; why if mafia?
I already had him as locktown but I guess there can always be more chains and padlocks
Drusilla is mistaken, that was Kanna, I put him to E - 2. I voted Pooky after Drusilla, then you. I am very obviously town and I honestly think it’s disgusting that Tayl0r is trying to claim my dyslexia is some sort of scum slip.
the main reason i still kinda think youre scum is that you twist everything i say and misrep me. you take the worst possible interpretation of everything i say and assume that that was my intention. you arent engaging with me in good faith, and to me
thats a pretty big scumtell. but im not even pushing you
. youre just deathtunneling me with this massive shitpush and i can either ignore what youre saying or respond. can i ask you to take 20 minutes away from the thread and come back and give me the benefit of the doubt that im not a shitty person?
So tell me Tayl0r, if you’re so sure I’m scum why are you pushing NM over me? This looks like you’re setting me up to be executed after NM should he flip town. That’s certainly how this post reads to me.
In post 1383, Isis wrote:I would love if I could figure out that Ydrasse was set up to be first execution due to Ydrasse coming to the thread and townspewing
I told myself I was going to write you beautiful poems when I saw you in the list of players for this game.
Some crazy things happened that kind of derailed these plans.
You see I was turned into a Tiger, and then a Dolphin and neither are very conducive to writing poetry - our moderator has a wicked sense of humor.
By the time I could speak again, I had been condemned and had to deal with a trial of sorts and I think I'm going to die now.
It's almost surreal this feeling - how death gives you a sharp focus on what's important in life - I love you and will miss you dearly - I wish we did not have to say goodbye so here's a song for you;
Maybe next time we play together things will turn out a little bit less tragic - you have my heart always <3 - now and forever..
read more like 'hey come to the thread and vote for isis' or 'you are my mafia partner'?
Wouldn’t he write her poetry in their scum PT? I mean it’s obviously wifom but why does scum!Ydrasse align herself with an unconfirmed slot? She’s supposedly not terrible at playing scum, is she? I did a meta check on her and she’s had quite a bit of practice at it.
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Post #1398 (isolation #222) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:28 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1084, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:But these aren't even mafia games. These are Secret Hitler games run in real time during Marathon day. You're not really comparing apples to apples here.
In post 1090, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:her lack of commitment and detachment is very scum-indicative. Mafia usually do feel detached in these nomination scenarios when they do not have anything at stake.
In post 1091, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:she doesn't have any completed longform mafia games as far as I can tell from looking at her history.
the ones you've listed are real-time ones.
If you believe she is mafia who do you think she recruits or would recruit her?
In post 1093, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I think I play a lot differently between real-time and slow-form - but everyone is different.
In post 1094, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like when I'm playing real time I usually have a lot harder time following the thread.
These series of posts are strange. why is he constantly waffling on his Tayl0r read?
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Post #1400 (isolation #223) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:32 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1395, Isis wrote:I think drusilla was trying to side with you on that thought, Loki
last time I played with scum!Ydrasse everyone but me had a very easy time catching her
Yeah, I don’t see why Pooky makes that post to her if she’s his buddy but the fact that she is in an unconfirmed pair is pretty damned obvious. Which scum in their right mind aligns themselves with an unconfirmed slot and the fact that it is with me, makes way more sense with Tayl0r!scum than NM!scum, because scum!NM really has no reason to get me executed first since I’ve been townreading and defending him the entire game, so I think scum!NM likely confirms me here. Why wouldn’t he?
In post 1084, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:But these aren't even mafia games. These are Secret Hitler games run in real time during Marathon day. You're not really comparing apples to apples here.
In post 1090, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:her lack of commitment and detachment is very scum-indicative. Mafia usually do feel detached in these nomination scenarios when they do not have anything at stake.
In post 1091, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:she doesn't have any completed longform mafia games as far as I can tell from looking at her history.
the ones you've listed are real-time ones.
If you believe she is mafia who do you think she recruits or would recruit her?
In post 1093, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I think I play a lot differently between real-time and slow-form - but everyone is different.
In post 1094, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like when I'm playing real time I usually have a lot harder time following the thread.
These series of posts are strange. why is he constantly waffling on his Tayl0r read?
because hes scum?
It also reads partnery. Scum usually don’t want to take a hard position on their buddy.
In post 558, Isis wrote:I hope I can show I'm town over the next few days. I'd rather manage to show I'm town rather than set out to prove pooky is scum since I don't know for sure that he is
It would be nice if one of you is scum because do we lose if both of you are town or do we just reset? With the post restrictions lifted, I probably wouldn’t vote for either of you. I know we don’t need to worry about this now but who stands out to you as scummy from the rest of the playerlist? Getting both yours and Pooky’s reads on the other players would probably be the most helpful thing either of you could do here.
i strongly expect that if Pooky and I are both town, we will get to keep eliminating players
I townread you and Ydrasse, and I lean scum on plusJOYED and Pooky. I was townreading drusilla but I'm a bit creeped out by her being dismissive about your slot townslipping.
Kanna is hard
I don't think Tayl0r has done much yet which I guess is somewhat similar to plusJOYED's status but it bothers me less from her for little reasons
its because i dont have an anime avatar, isnt it?
hm, did you read my post backwards? plusJOYED and I both have anime avatars, but I'm scumreading JOYED more than you for similar behavior, which would be a break in anime solidarity. So your question doesn't make intuitive sense to me
I agree with this, I’d vote plusjoyed over Tayl0r. I also agree with you on Ydrasse. I also like Kanna and NM.
In post 578, Isis wrote:Why do you townread Not_Mafia? I don't have anything there
Nothing about his play suggested any kind of agenda whatsoever and it’s pretty damned obvious, that scum would be the only ones totally not playing blind.
Two posts where I defend NM, so why wouldn’t scum!him confirm me?
In post 1394, Loki Dokie wrote:I mean it’s obviously wifom but why does scum!Ydrasse align herself with an unconfirmed slot? She’s supposedly not terrible at playing scum, is she?
hm. why would this be terrible scumplay? you were largely townread yesterday, yes?
basically, from your point of view, you are town, but plusjoyed was chosen to be enlightened instead of you. meaning that the mafia did not want to pair two of the more scummy people together because then they'd be eliminated at the same time and they'd have less chance of winning the final battle, and that they did not want to pair themselves with plusjoyed. it seems to me is the case if you are town. making it more likely ydrasse because paired with you rather than less, which makes you stressing the unconfirmed thing strange to me.
Well Ydrasse has to answer this obviously. I can only tell you that I think it would be hella stupid for scum!Ydrasse to have done that, because her chances of being executed are much higher because I am literally the only one who’s seeing how suboptimal it would be for scum to do this. I really don’t understand why you think it’s strange in the slightest? Tell me why you think it makes more sense for scum!Ydrasse to pair herself with an unconfirmed slot? Because it makes absolutely no sense to me.
In post 1394, Loki Dokie wrote:I mean it’s obviously wifom but why does scum!Ydrasse align herself with an unconfirmed slot? She’s supposedly not terrible at playing scum, is she?
hm. why would this be terrible scumplay? you were largely townread yesterday, yes?
basically, from your point of view, you are town, but plusjoyed was chosen to be enlightened instead of you. meaning that the mafia did not want to pair two of the more scummy people together because then they'd be eliminated at the same time and they'd have less chance of winning the final battle, and that they did not want to pair themselves with plusjoyed. it seems to me is the case if you are town. making it more likely ydrasse because paired with you rather than less, which makes you stressing the unconfirmed thing strange to me.
Well Ydrasse has to answer this obviously. I can only tell you that I think it would be hella stupid for scum!Ydrasse to have done that, because her chances of being executed are much higher because I am literally the only one who’s seeing how suboptimal it would be for scum to do this. I really don’t understand why you think it’s strange in the slightest? Tell me why you think it makes more sense for scum!Ydrasse to pair herself with an unconfirmed slot? Because it makes absolutely no sense to me.
In post 1394, Loki Dokie wrote:I mean it’s obviously wifom but why does scum!Ydrasse align herself with an unconfirmed slot? She’s supposedly not terrible at playing scum, is she?
hm. why would this be terrible scumplay? you were largely townread yesterday, yes?
basically, from your point of view, you are town, but plusjoyed was chosen to be enlightened instead of you. meaning that the mafia did not want to pair two of the more scummy people together because then they'd be eliminated at the same time and they'd have less chance of winning the final battle, and that they did not want to pair themselves with plusjoyed. it seems to me is the case if you are town. making it more likely ydrasse because paired with you rather than less, which makes you stressing the unconfirmed thing strange to me.
Well Ydrasse has to answer this obviously. I can only tell you that I think it would be hella stupid for scum!Ydrasse to have done that, because her chances of being executed are much higher because I am literally the only one who’s seeing how suboptimal it would be for scum to do this. I really don’t understand why you think it’s strange in the slightest? Tell me why you think it makes more sense for scum!Ydrasse to pair herself with an unconfirmed slot? Because it makes absolutely no sense to me.
In post 1394, Loki Dokie wrote:I mean it’s obviously wifom but why does scum!Ydrasse align herself with an unconfirmed slot? She’s supposedly not terrible at playing scum, is she?
hm. why would this be terrible scumplay? you were largely townread yesterday, yes?
basically, from your point of view, you are town, but plusjoyed was chosen to be enlightened instead of you. meaning that the mafia did not want to pair two of the more scummy people together because then they'd be eliminated at the same time and they'd have less chance of winning the final battle, and that they did not want to pair themselves with plusjoyed. it seems to me is the case if you are town. making it more likely ydrasse because paired with you rather than less, which makes you stressing the unconfirmed thing strange to me.
Well Ydrasse has to answer this obviously. I can only tell you that I think it would be hella stupid for scum!Ydrasse to have done that, because her chances of being executed are much higher because I am literally the only one who’s seeing how suboptimal it would be for scum to do this. I really don’t understand why you think it’s strange in the slightest? Tell me why you think it makes more sense for scum!Ydrasse to pair herself with an unconfirmed slot? Because it makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Post #1416 (isolation #230) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:59 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1403, Ydrasse wrote:hi, i'm super sorry i wasn't around for deadline, i'm really tired rn and i'll be around tomorrow for Real Posting
but for now i skimmed today so far and my gut says n_m, but trying to verbalize it leads me to a mean reason to scumread someone and is a result only of this phase s: that, or it's someone trying to frame n_m but given that isis posted that she thinks n_m plays to make things less fun for her i don't know if n_m is the type of player who would go out of his way to lover someone who dislikes his play like that in an effort to get them voted out.
In post 1404, drusilla wrote:i think not mafia would have always chosen isis if mafia in this situation end of thought.
Okay that part actually does make sense but not the not confirming me part. Why wouldn’t he confirm a slot that is townreading him? I guess I’m thinking if I were him, I’d confirm me because I was defending him but I guess I shouldn’t assume how other people think. I’m an extremely logical player.
In post 1415, Loki Dokie wrote:Well Ydrasse has to answer this obviously. I can only tell you that I think it would be hella stupid for scum!Ydrasse to have done that, because her chances of being executed are much higher because I am literally the only one who’s seeing how suboptimal it would be for scum to do this. I really don’t understand why you think it’s strange in the slightest? Tell me why you think it makes more sense for scum!Ydrasse to pair herself with an unconfirmed slot? Because it makes absolutely no sense to me.
because mafia need to survive two eliminations to win in this situation. so if one is the unconfirmeds, then mafia still need to win the one v one, in which case, why would plusjoyed have been enlightened instead of you? and the most apparent reason for this outside of you being mafia is to pair oneself with you.
I already told you why but for some reason you seem to have forgotten about it. It all makes perfect sense if Tayl0r’s scum here, because I’ve been pushing her. This is seriously frustrating me that you guys aren’t seeing the obvious. If we lose this, don’t blame me.
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Post #1420 (isolation #232) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:10 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1312, Loki Dokie wrote:1279. I think I’ve made an extremely strong case why it’s likely Tayl0r. Pooky first tries to discredit my case due to them being marathon games and not in “real time” and then suddenly switches to oh she’s so disconnected because he knows arguing my case further would probably raise my suspicions of him and guarantee his death. He had absolutely no reaction to you pushing Ydrasse. He did mention NM but unlike Tayl0r, what he said about NM actually made sense.
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Post #1427 (isolation #234) » Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:17 pm
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1421, Isis wrote:I might vote for Taylor today or tomorrow
let's keep sorting we have lots of days to play here
Where is Kanna? Hopefully she can shed some more light on this.
But I am seriously frustrated with Drusilla because she knows how super obvtown Tayl0r is when she’s town, so this is more disappointing coming from her than anyone especially when she was so brilliant wrt to Pooky. I think I found a Pooky post that may show that he was the one who was actually recruited and he and Tayl0r do know each other, so she definitely could have recruited him.
Do you think I would recruit PlusJoyed or do you think PlusJoyed would've recruited me? Either scenario IMO is a long shot since I've basically never played with him.
plusjoyed made sense in various worlds to me and their play individually seemed the scummiest out of the non-you players to me, and isis who i was townreading voted there. would you have chosen plusjoyed? somewhat unlikely. would plusjoyed have chosen you? quite possibly.
Why would PlusJoyed choose me? He's literally never played with me before. and then we open up as the first 2 posters? I mean cmon really?
In post 1427, Loki Dokie wrote:But I am seriously frustrated with Drusilla because she knows how super obvtown Tayl0r is when she’s town, so this is more disappointing coming from her than anyone especially when she was so brilliant wrt to Pooky. I think I found a Pooky post that may show that he was the one who was actually recruited and he and Tayl0r do know each other, so she definitely could have recruited him.
why do you think i don't think taylor is mafia here?
In post 1430, drusilla wrote:why do you think i don't think taylor is mafia here?
like what led you to that conclusion about what i am thinking and your frustration with it.
I guess I shouldn’t assume, I just don’t see why scum!Ydrasse aligns herself with an unconfirmed slot. Yes, I keep harping on that because has anyone besides me even pointed out that argument? If I hadn’t, would anyone else even considered it? My point is that it’s in scum’s best interest to pair themselves with a confirmed slot. Why? Because confirmed town!me is obviously going to be taken a lot more seriously than unconfirmed me. Because confitown!me can only be defending scum!Ydrasse because I wrongly townread her but unconfirmed me, could presumably also be doing it for self-preservation, so from scum!Ydrass’ pov, why not make her lover a confirmed slot? That’s why I don’t think it’s Ydrasse.
Do you think I would recruit PlusJoyed or do you think PlusJoyed would've recruited me? Either scenario IMO is a long shot since I've basically never played with him.
plusjoyed made sense in various worlds to me and their play individually seemed the scummiest out of the non-you players to me, and isis who i was townreading voted there. would you have chosen plusjoyed? somewhat unlikely. would plusjoyed have chosen you? quite possibly.
Why would PlusJoyed choose me? He's literally never played with me before. and then we open up as the first 2 posters? I mean cmon really?
THIS Is WHY PLUSJOYED Was CONFIRMED.
could you explain
Pooky is saying that they make no sense as a scumteam because
they’ve never played together
, so he basically spewed him town with these posts, so that’s why I think he was confirmed.
In post 1443, Kanna wrote:shiki, let's be pseudo-lovers as apology for the bad reads <3
<3 see above post
In post 1447, Loki Dokie wrote:I guess I shouldn’t assume, I just don’t see why scum!Ydrasse aligns herself with an unconfirmed slot. Yes, I keep harping on that because has anyone besides me even pointed out that argument? If I hadn’t, would anyone else even considered it? My point is that it’s in scum’s best interest to pair themselves with a confirmed slot. Why? Because confirmed town!me is obviously going to be taken a lot more seriously than unconfirmed me. Because confitown!me can only be defending scum!Ydrasse because I wrongly townread her but unconfirmed me, could presumably also be doing it for self-preservation, so from scum!Ydrass’ pov, why not make her lover a confirmed slot? That’s why I don’t think it’s Ydrasse.
because the pairs as you've just layed out would be town!isis+not mafia, town!loki+ydrasse, plusjoyed+taylor swift. so plusjoyed+taylor swift get eliminated, and ydrasse has to win a one v one on more or less even footing. as they are now ydrasse/you have an advantage over both not mafia and taylor swift built into the pairings.
But why wouldn’t scum!Ydrasse have confirmed me? Even Kanna just mentioned she was concerned I wasn’t. And Idk, I have no clue how anyone else thinks, probably least of all NM but I don’t know why he’d pick me not to confirm and it makes even less sense from Ydrasse, since she’s paired with me, so I guess I’m not understanding your argument?
In post 1433, Isis wrote:drusilla, do you think NM recruits Pooky? Because I don't think Pooky recruits NM
I would be seriously shocked if
anyone
recruited him if scum.
so NM is in the same boat as me, except people have seen NM play scum, no one has seen me play scum so theres even less reason to pick me.
You said you loved playing scum earlier but you have no scumgames on site, correct? So, if you have any offsite, can you link them?
i could, but i wont. im not linking anyone to my past meta. theres a reason i didnt play mafia for several years and am now here rather than back there. thats not an AI thing. im not linking any games of any alignment from off-site to anyone.
Well that’s a real shame because it could definitely help you here if I’m wrong, because all I’ve got now is towngames where you have played 180 degrees differently from this one and Pooky’s weird hedging around your slot. Also, it makes absolutely no sense to call it a “trash” argument. The converse otoh, I could actually see because I’d probably sleep through a marathon, which is why I don’t sign up for them.
In post 1441, Kanna wrote:first thought is i'm concerned lokie dokie didn't get confirmed
I’m not unless I’m actually wrong here and so far, I don’t think I am.
by this, i mean you were almost a UTR yesterday i find it strange you didn't get confirmed over plusjoyed or even me
i suppose mafia could want to purposefully not confirm a mostly townread player for wifom, but in that case, i think they'd try to frame me
Idk but if it is actually Tayl0r, than it definitely would make sense for her not to want to confirm me. NM hammered Pooky on D1, never voted Isis and only voted him after she scumread her, so I don’t really see the associatives between them. NM is such a frustrating player and got misvenged in a recent game but I think he’s more likely to distance his buddy in a more obvious way. Idk but if it is Tayl0r, she made brilliant choices. I still don’t get Drusilla’s argument on why scum!Ydrasse wouldn’t have aligned herself with a confirmed slot, whether it was me or not. I suppose it could be NM but why wouldn’t scum!NM confirm a slot who’s been defending him allgame? Maybe I’m just overthinking it.
In post 1464, Loki Dokie wrote:I still don’t get Drusilla’s argument on why scum!Ydrasse wouldn’t have aligned herself with a confirmed slot, whether it was me or not.
if town!loki's argument is to repeatedly say 'mafia would never be lovers with an unconfirmed', why would scum!ydrasse not want to be paired with town!loki?
But all of this happened before that even occurred to me, so how would Ydrasse even know this? I didn’t even realize it at first. Also, why does she even pick me over Kanna who apparently is much better at reading her or it would seem based off of Kanna townreading her tone. Or why not you? Why does she even pick me? This is yet another reason why I think it points to Tayl0r, because between NM, Ydrasse and Tayl0r, Tayl0r has the least reason to confirm me. Does anyone think it likely that scum!Tayl0r would confirm me? I definitely don’t.
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Post #1484 (isolation #247) » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:15 am
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1471, Kanna wrote:mmmmmm but i think it's just loki and if not, then ydrasse
taylor is towny for the deadline hammer + pooky's early wagoning
n_m i think is more likely town than not
but if he thinks it’s me, then both of you ought to be smacked (figuratively speaking).
there's the argument that scum wouldn't want to pair with an unconfirmed, but that's wifom
It’s a pretty compelling argument. The fact that you even suspect me should prove that.
We agree on one of these things. Why is Tayl0r townie for the deadline hammer when I put Pooky at E-2 and voted Pooky at E-2. But please ignore my entire ISO, which you clearly would have to be doing. Have you reread it? Please tell me what parts scream scum to you?
thats a good question. my vote is on NM, but seeing that other people are reconsidering loki has given me a bit more confidence. NM is pure null and the only way to sort the slot is to flip it IMO. NM is not likely to be scum because who would pick NM? well maybe pooky, pooky is a little cooky sometimes.
to me Loki is the scummiest and lunching that loverpair is best EV. but i dont know how im going to scumcase NM tomorrow if loki is town. theres literally 0 content.
This is why I was unconfirmed. Anyone reading my ISO and voting patterns should not even be having me on their radar, if they’re town.
In post 1471, Kanna wrote:mmmmmm but i think it's just loki and if not, then ydrasse
taylor is towny for the deadline hammer + pooky's early wagoning
n_m i think is more likely town than not
but if he thinks it’s me, then both of you ought to be smacked (figuratively speaking).
there's the argument that scum wouldn't want to pair with an unconfirmed, but that's wifom
It’s a pretty compelling argument. The fact that you even suspect me should prove that.
We agree on one of these things. Why is Tayl0r townie for the deadline hammer when I put Pooky at E-1 on D1 and voted Pooky at E-2 yesterday. But please ignore my entire ISO, which you clearly would have to be doing. Have you reread it? Please tell me what parts scream scum to you?
In post 1312, Loki Dokie wrote:1279. I think I’ve made an extremely strong case why it’s likely Tayl0r. Pooky first tries to discredit my case due to them being marathon games and not in “real time” and then suddenly switches to oh she’s so disconnected because he knows arguing my case further would probably raise my suspicions of him and guarantee his death. He had absolutely no reaction to you pushing Ydrasse. He did mention NM but unlike Tayl0r, what he said about NM actually made sense.
I have every freaking right to be sarcastic Isis and it pisses me off that Kanna is completely ignoring this.
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Post #1495 (isolation #252) » Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:32 am
Postby Loki Dokie »
In post 1491, Isis wrote:Mafia is a lot more fun to play if you expect to be scumread and just get pleasantly surprised when you're townread
It’s not pleasant when people are clearly ignoring my entire ISO and voting patterns. So no it’s fucking ridiculous that anyone seriously thinks it could be me. I’m still trying to decide on Tayl0r vs. Ydrasse. But yeah, that’s beyond seriously dumb.
No but I’m annoyed that Kanna thinks it could be me, because she is literally ignoring my entire voting patterns and ISO.
Not to mention what looks remotely partnery between me and Pooky? So, yeah I do think it’s bad she thinks it could be me but Drusilla is right, those comments aren’t helping but I’m just not particularly good at keeping my mouth shut when people post silly things but I’ll try harder.
No but I’m annoyed that Kanna thinks it could be me, because she is literally ignoring my entire voting patterns and ISO.
Not to mention what looks remotely partnery between me and Pooky? So, yeah I do think it’s bad she thinks it could be me but Drusilla is right, those comments aren’t helping but I’m just not particularly good at keeping my mouth shut when people post silly things but I’ll try harder.
Sorry @Kanna, I don’t mean to be rude but you’re dead wrong and I don’t know how anyone can criticality read my ISO, voting patterns and interactions with Pooky and come up with me as his most likely partner, so I think my irritation with you is beyond justified even if the particular way I chosed to convey was clearly not. Just open your eyes and don’t ignore my case on Tayl0r in case Ydrasse is town. Thanks.
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Post #1507 (isolation #257) » Wed Sep 23, 2020 8:26 am
Postby Loki Dokie »
Anyway, I think the game is won, so long as we don’t vote off NM. So I guess it really doesn’t matter whether we vote Tayl0r or Ydrasee first but I still think it’s Tayl0r > Ydrasee but I’m less confident on it.
I think if Ydrasee flips town and you vote off NM, we’re probably going to lose. And for all of the shit I’m getting for the unconfirmed thing, no one has really explained why it makes sense for scum!Ydrasee to do that, especially with me.
I guess we just have to wait on Ydrasee and see if she towns it up or not and if she actually does do that and you guys vote us, you should feel really bad but if she doesn’t, I might be persuaded to vote her in that case despite her aligning with an unconfirmed slot seems really suboptimal, it’s still a better vote than NM.
I’m not convinced my case on Tayl0r is wrong yet + Pooky’s weird hedging on her but her recent posting is making me a lot less confident. I would like to hear from Ydrasse first.
I think that if we all agree that NM should not be voted, we’re probably going to win.
So either way, we don’t lose.
I think if it really does turn out to be Ydrasse then I’m going to be really pissed at her for putting me in this position. If it is her than she clearly over estimated Kanna’s ability to correctly read me. I still don’t see why she wouldn’t confirm me but eh.