Micro 988: 09:12 [Game Over]

[Datisi]

good morning mafiascum!

VOTE: bugspray

[Datisi]

VOTE: ythan owo?

[Datisi]

is this a bad time to butt in and say that my vote was obviously *not* random?

[Datisi]

VOTE: kyoko

are you purposefully not seeing ythan's post before i voted him where he told people not to vote him?

[Datisi]

VOTE: kyoko

are you purposefully not seeing ythan's post before i voted him where he told people not to vote him?

I can very well see it

But felt like you've been opportunistic about that vote so I mentioned it

weren't you?

define "opportunistic"? my thought process didn't go deeper than "oh look, ythan said not to vote him, it would be funny to vote him." while it definitely wasn't *random*, it also wasn't serious.

but i wasn't talking about your read on me, i was talking about your read on ythan. you called him a bit sus/desperate for calling my vote on him predictable, and to me it seemed that you were, for some reason, ignoring the fact that the post before my vote was a "don't vote me" post, which i thought he was referencing when saying my vote was predictable?

that turned into a word salad but whatever

[Datisi]

VOTE: kyoko

are you purposefully not seeing ythan's post before i voted him where he told people not to vote him?

I can very well see it

But felt like you've been opportunistic about that vote so I mentioned it

weren't you?

define "opportunistic"? my thought process didn't go deeper than "oh look, ythan said not to vote him, it would be funny to vote him." while it definitely wasn't *random*, it also wasn't serious.

but i wasn't talking about your read on me, i was talking about your read on ythan. you called him a bit sus/desperate for calling my vote on him predictable, and to me it seemed that you were, for some reason, ignoring the fact that the post before my vote was a "don't vote me" post, which i thought he was referencing when saying my vote was predictable?

that turned into a word salad but whatever

Opportunistic as if you were waiting for a reason to make that vote and they gave it to you with the "Don't vote me" post.

Also, it felt desperate because of the way he built up his content to that point and his "don't vote me" post doesn't make me feel otherwise at all. You don't see how that looks desperate to call your vote on him predictable after they say "don't vote me please"?

Both of those reads are just based on how I felt you were "feeling" when you made such content and of course are not solidified reads which are the best I could get from page 1.

usually when i see someone accusing someone else of being opportunistic, it's generally used when someone jumps on a wagon to help it drive forward to an execution. i'm kinda confused why you'd call a second vote on someone on page one, an obviously non-serious one too, opportunistic?

and i kinda don't? like, it was a second non-serious vote on page one. i had a feeling nobody other than extreme newbscum would actually start panicking or feel desperation at that?

yeah that's fine, nobody is expecting you to have ~solid reads~ on page one, obviously.

[Datisi]

kyoko, is there a correlation between "things you don't like" and "things that you think are a scumtell"?

[Datisi]

the "that's basic scumhunting." line feels a bit... is mockery the right word? i don't think it's alignemnt indicative, my poor hurt ego just wanted to point that out.

i feel like i'm gonna have a hard time reading kyoko this game because my first instincts are to latch onto what appears to be too logic-y and ramble-y, especially without any hard conclusions, and false-positives from such playstyles did sometimes lose me the game. maybe i'll do a metadive at *some* point if i'm not gonna feel too lazy.

vague +town to horsewoman for 43 because ~mindmeld~, that is where my questions were going to lead up to.

by the way, you said it's your first game here, your posts so far make me think you have prior experience, am i correct?

[Datisi]

whoops, i thought it was gonna be clear that part was aimed at horsewoman, my bad

pedit: yeah
thanks for answering anyway, though

[Datisi]

hello! do you have any thoughts on the game so far?

pedit: or that i guess.

[Datisi]

horsewoman/bugspray/gimli town?

superbowl maybe scum?

VOTE: superbowl

[Datisi]

I think scum is among those pushing Horsewoman at this point. I think Horsewoman has shown mild town thought process and don’t like the feeling I get from the followers of Kyoko on there.

gamma, can you talk to me more about this? like, explain / be a bit more specific?

[Datisi]

bugs, have you read superbowl's post(s) as you said you would? i would like to hear your opinion on that matter

[Datisi]

gamma, i think you missed my question earlier? was it just superbowl of the horsewoman pushers you were getting bad feelings at the time?

[Datisi]

Like i dont actually think this is scumvtown i think its probably town v town. So lynching to POE is a waste of time. You could be trying to set up two mislynches in a row.

?
where was bug trying to set up executions there??

[Datisi]

well i don't know, that's why i asked because it seemed you were throwing out random reads without much behind them, because like 3-4 people were sussing horsewoman at the time no?

pedit: @gamma

[Datisi]

whoops, i DID NOT read that part properly. MY BAD.

[Datisi]

who he fuck is datisti??? ok that joke is old by now but seriously that's not my name

anyyywayyyyyy

so it didn't take too long for superbowl to notice my passive-aggressive attempts to get him to talk to me after all!!

hi superbowl! what's up!! what have i done to deserve such honour!?

[Datisi]

dastiti

datisti

you're doing it on purpose, aren't you

Okay so it was your vote switching. You've voted 4 ppl so far, 2 were RVS/Jokey but can you walk me through your progression from kyoko->me and your reads on both of us?

the first two were rvs/jokey yes

my vote on kyoko was in reaction to post 20. that post pinged me because i got a feeling her read on ythan was made up out of nothing - like the way i was reading ythan and my's interaction was "don't vote me" "*votes ythan*" "lol predictable" i.e. nothing outside of rvs banter, and she started twisting it into him being suspicious and predictable which i thought was untrue

when i was later on looking at the game, i saw slime's 69, i thought that was like, if i logically look at it it's a scummy post because not adding anything to the game etc, but in my heart i don't really believe that. then i saw 73 and it *also* looked like a post that doesn't actually add anything to the game, but it also looked like it was trying to give an ~appearance~ of adding something to the game.

kyoko is my "??? i'm gut-scumreading all their posts ??? and i'll shelve this as a confusing ??? null for the time being" read
i didn't like you ignoring my ~jabs~ at you for as long as you did but that may be more annoyance than actual AI stuff, i'll decide later

back @ you, why do you think/find vote switching scummy?

also noted that there were ten billion pedits while i was typing this but i did not read any of them

[Datisi]

You got pedited by my post at 11:54, and others?

yes, 181 was the last post when i started typing 190

i have a habit of having 10-15 tabs open and doing multiple things at once

can we policy elim datisi and then have scum nk me so that I can just play chess with him in the dead thread?

is this just a shitpost or ?

[Datisi]

But they were saying "Kyoko could be scum and if so Horsewoman is probably town" as a reason to push/lynch you.

And the sort of implication of that is that if you flip town that I might be scum and look worse. So I was saying they were setting up two incorrect votes as if you do flip town, they were sort of laying the groundwork to throw doubt on me.

i don't like the bolded?

like in 75 bugs was saying that "if kyoko red then horsewoman probably green"? how does that imply "if kyoko green then horsewoman red"?

[Datisi]

can we policy elim datisi and then have scum nk me so that I can just play chess with him in the dead thread?

is this just a shitpost or ?

no

is this saying you think i'm scum or do you just really really want to play chess with me

[Datisi]

i'm finding ythan's ~annoyance~ (idk if that's the right word here but i'm using it) quoting posts that go unanswered gut townie

ythan, do you have any townreads?

[Datisi]

can we policy elim datisi and then have scum nk me so that I can just play chess with him in the dead thread?

is this just a shitpost or ?

no

is this saying you think i'm scum or do you just really really want to play chess with me

it was literally a meaningless fluffy shitpost my man

well EXCUSE ME for trying to FIGURE OUT your thoughts in A GAME OF MAFIA

[Datisi]

do you have *any* reads?

[Datisi]

VOTE: the slime collective

[Datisi]

intent to L-1 the slime collective

My gut tells me this sort of non-content is scum indicative.

what is the point of declaring intent to L-1? you afraid of lolhammers or?

[Datisi]

I would never do that to you datasty!

This makes sense, ftr I do not think that voteswitching by itself is scummy, it can have town and scum motivations. Was just genuinely curious as to your motive, which seems positive.

but!! you said you got pinged!! i was the next scumhunting stop!! now you're saying you were just genuinely curious!! is this a *gasp* contradiction!?!?!

ok fine. i feel like i had something else to ask you but i do not remember right now, it's late

[Datisi]

I would never do that to you datasty!

This makes sense, ftr I do not think that voteswitching by itself is scummy, it can have town and scum motivations. Was just genuinely curious as to your motive, which seems positive.

but!! you said you got pinged!! i was the next scumhunting stop!! now you're saying you were just genuinely curious!! is this a *gasp* contradiction!?!?!

ok fine. i feel like i had something else to ask you but i do not remember right now, it's late

Yes I got a ping, investigated it, and it turned up good. Wouldn't it be more sus if every time I thought I saw a small scummy thing I found scum?

i hope it is clear by my usage of sound effects and punctuation that that was not a serious +scum point for you

my brain is telling me "wow that's awfully? preemptively? defensive? scared scum???" but my gut is whispering

"being defensive is not a scumtell, you fool"

[Datisi]

what if... the scumteam... is literally just horsewoman/slime collective... haha just kidding... unless..?

[Datisi]

Oh I thought you were like making a half-serious point, my b

no worries

by the way, i remembered what i wanted to ask you yesterday, you were scumreading bugs at the time i thought they were plainly acting townie so i'm interested in a deeper elaboration (if there is one) on that read and / or your current read on them

[Datisi]

todo: check out ythan and gamma emerald partner equity

i would like to know what the branworms are saying behind this

that gamma rep out is ew. like not ai, just ew.

Black is much better in creating cases that I am. There is no point in me talking about below-average opening of Gamma, the fact that his ISO contains scumreading without pushing and in overal not very deep analysis or his horrible push to our slot. I will mention it to Black and hopefully he can make a good case from it resulting into people casting VOTE: Gamma.
~Victor Hugo slime

so, black is here now... this is happening... when?

like i dislike this post because it seems like... way too easy? gives a feeling of picking a random townie who isn't doing much / is kinda yeet-bait who's pushing on their wagon and making a vague "case" on them

[Datisi]

thank you for agreeing with me about that, now can you answer a question i had for you like one line above that?

[Datisi]

i'm reading kyoko's posts at the end of page 13 and i think i'm warming up to her being >rand town

like at first when i saw 319 i thought of it to be scummy because i saw the quoted posts without much addition and it felt like a busywork/IIoA post, and then i scrolled further down lol. it kinda got me thinking, and i realized that's often the vibe that i was getting from her posts, because of their writing style / formatting they were giving me a busywork-y vibe, which now seems pretty incorrect/biased

@kyoko, do you have reads? now i see you're explaining what you do and don't like in other players, but i'm wondering when/if those translate to a ~read~? mostly asking in reference to the post where you said that not everything you like or don't like translates to a town/scumread

[Datisi]

@bugs, sorry to hear that :/ life comes first, take care.

[Datisi]

i'm finding ythan's ~annoyance~ (idk if that's the right word here but i'm using it) quoting posts that go unanswered gut townie

ythan, do you have any townreads?

datisi uses curious words sometimes, and I'm sure this can be totally player dependant but there's a lot of little adjectives and question marks in his posts that seem designed to make whatever he is saying weaker and therefore non-commital. Like here he is calling ythan's posts 'gut' townie and I find the placing of the word 'gut' to be artificially put there. In the page before it he adds a question mark to a sentence that was supposed to be affirmative. There are many other examples of this behaviour. Having said that I don't disagree with the stance on ythan so there's that.

yeah, i'm calling them gut townie because i don't actually

think

they're townie - there's nothing "logically" townie about a person passively-aggressively quoting their own unanswered question, because that's a decently easy thing for scum to fake. that's exactly why it's gut townie: i understand this action is relatively easily fakeable and not hard evidence for anything, but my gut/subconscious/intuition/whatever is telling me that it's not fake, that it's a genuine townie reaction. and as A Gut Player(tm), that's p much the basis of how i work.

similar thing with punctuation - i have a certain way of speaking when giving my thoughts on something, and i feel like that's the best way for it to be translated into writing. don't mistake it for being non-committal, i'm standing behind every post i make.

do you think it's scummy? how's it playing into your read on me?

[Datisi]

Gimli we are townbloc

i am also interested in hearing about this (if/when you can.)

<horsewoman, tris>

are scumreads.

why did you unvote tris, then?

[Datisi]

bugspray is town and y'all can thank me later

slime deserves to eat rope

cheers.

[Datisi]

I think it can be scummy. nobody expects you to have an objective townread based on real evidence, of course all you're doing here comes down to using intuition, so using the word 'gut' does nothing but diminish the strength of the thing you're saying. there are other examples of you doing something that I interpreted as exactly that but if you want I can elaborate tomorrow. this feeling I'm getting from your posts is weakening my townread of your slot. I've been liking the points you're making while disliking the way you're making them

???
what gives you the impression that i'm trying to diminish the strength of what i'm posting about?? i'm calling it a gut take because that's what it is, a gut take. that does not mean i'm trying to make it somehow appear less strong??? like probably over 95% of my reads as town are gut based, i very much take them seriously, so if you're liking the points i'm making, what is the problem???

[Datisi]

why did you unvote tris, then?

she replaced in. her placement there is because of gamma.

and that did not change the slot's alignment?

Wait do I even tr him? (He is datisi)
I sr some slots more than him for sure so it's a poe tr at best... that's not d1 Bloc material sorry my dude

tbh this makes me more sure that bugs is town because if memory serves bugs constantly tries to buddy me as scum and i kinda get the feeling they'd be doing the same thing here when i'm already townreading them

[Datisi]

Datisi and Kyoko are town, and these are my only solid reads.

i am interested in hearing the tl;dr behind this

so, black is here now... this is happening... when?

like i dislike this post because it seems like... way too easy? gives a feeling of picking a random townie who isn't doing much / is kinda yeet-bait who's pushing on their wagon and making a vague "case" on them

Nope it was me. ~ in signature.
Gamma slot is a good case. Pinged me three times scummy. Do you have a better case yourself?
~batslime

that's not how this works? you don't get to go "well do you have a better case yourself??" when you're the one calling gamma scummy and saying you will make a case about it and then not doing that?

[Datisi]

Speaking from experience gamma kinda just always plays like this, so it's pretty easy to call that slot generally bad without showing scummy intent. It feels like a very lazy "fine here's a scumread" deflection

like i dislike this post because it seems like... way too easy? gives a feeling of picking a random townie who isn't doing much / is kinda yeet-bait who's pushing on their wagon and making a vague "case" on them

:thonk:

vibin'... vibin' maaaaybe a little too hard...

[Datisi]

omg bugs hammered wtf if this flips green bugs is confscum reeeeee
ok anyway

i'm liking superbowl more on more due to posts on page 19.

@ythan, what's your current take on slime? you seem to think they're getting better (?), and i'm kinda confused/interested what your thoughts are there, especially now that horsewoman's also voting there.

we're not going anywhere with this as you've decided you don't want to understand where I'm coming from, but look at what you're saying here: if 95% of your reads as town are gut based, then the last thing you need to do is use that word in order to qualify any of your reads.

i'm trying to understand where you're coming from and i don't get it. like, what does that last sentence even *mean*? why shouldn't i be using that word?

anyway, i find it... curious how slime's under intent, and they've been online, but it0s radio silence. if they flip scum, my hot takes for the partners are horsewoman > gimli.

[Datisi]

nice hot takes.

i can smell the sarcasm.

[Datisi]

i think the answer is actually one

this got me interested, i took a look at their profile, and both of their completed games are normals. hydras aren't allowed in normals.

i don't think the gimmick itself is ai, since they did it when they were town. but i'm now getting annoyed, because at one point they said they'll get one of their other heads to do a case or something, which then ended up never happening iirc.

[Datisi]

no, it's an open, but same account no?

[Datisi]

Hydrae Policy: No hydrae.

well this was written on the /in to mod for this game so.

[Datisi]

i was about to sit down and start reading, rip

wonder how long can i beat the lock

[Datisi]

ok i don't think i'm in the brainspace to read the essay posts about burden of proof or people calling other people ben shapiro or whatever but

skimming along, if this flips red horsewoman is like, totes the partner

tries to direct attention to superbowl when slime at Y-1

Imo it'd probably be better to just wait for a replacement if they straight up flake. If they prodge or post a joke or something I agree that hammering is probably the best option (but it's one I don't really want to go to because I still don't think slime is the best use of our elimination).

"it's better to wait for a replacement if they straight up flake, if they start prodging then hammer"

nothing changes in the meantime, slime hasn't shown up or gotten prodded

they're placed at Y-1 by gimli

horsewoman just hammers??

[Datisi]

so i *thought* i was gonna carefully reread stuff and whatever and then i ended up staring at dumb shit on my phone for the whole day

hot take of the night? VOTE: tris

@gimli do you seriously plan on dissecting everything from like page one

@bugs rn i'm internally debating whether that line of conversation should be started and i think it's a "no" from me

[Datisi]

y'all: speedyeet a tpr without giving them a chance to claim

me: ok that was bad can we not--

y'all:

[Datisi]

after horsewoman flipped tracker i thought she might have had a guilty, but she didn't even vote on day two. so i don't think i'm comfortable betting the game on that.

the only thing stopping me from speedvoting bugs here is how hard i was townreading them on day one, that hammer was godawful and gave me major deja vu to some scum!bugs games. @bugs, why am i town? how did you get to tris/superbowl?

maybe the mafia wanted to keep datisi to go after me

i guess i would not be majorly surprised if this were the case. btw, the reason why i voted tris on day two was because when scrolling back to eod1, some of her posts gave me a sorta... tmi vibe about slime, the "defending the misyeet wagon in a way that won't stop anyone from actually voting, but in a way that will give some towncred after the flip".

[Datisi]

signing up for this was a mistake.

mood.

bugspray is town and y'all can thank me later

slime deserves to eat rope

cheers.

@datisi are you still reading bugspray as town?

i went to the thread at the time i made that post, i'm still townreading them but it's extremely shaky. also there is *a thought* in my mind right now seeing what is happening, but i cannot out it right away. remind me in a bit after ~stuff~ happens ok cool thanks.

[Datisi]

The Slime Collective

(5): Datisi,

superbowl9

,

bugspray

, Gimli son of Glóin,

Horsewoman

Horsewoman

(2):

Kyoko Kirigiri

, tris
Not voting (2):

The Slime Collective

,

Ythan

Horsewoman

(4):

Ythan

, tris,

superbowl9

,

bugspray

tris (1): Datisi
Not voting (2):

Horsewoman

, Gimli son of Glóin

i conclude there was at least one scum on the first misyeet wagon wow i am literally a paragon

superbowl/bugs on both... i was about to write that "VCs tell me either it's exactly tris/gimli or there's scum in bugs/superbowl" but then i realized that is true even without the votecounts because there's 2 scum in those 4 names and i'm stupid

gonna check some isos or something

[Datisi]

so i speed-skimmed ythan's iso, the event that stuck in my mind was on day one when i asked him is he had any townreads and he said no, and i'm not sure he ever even... expressed a townread on anyone? also was anyone scumreading ythan?

towny --------------------
<bugspray>
<Gimli>
<datisi>
<

ythan

>
<Superbowl>
<

slime

>
rather null --------------------
<tris>
<

horsewoman

>
scummy --------------------

level-zero-thinking says at least one scum in tris/superbowl

(kyoko did later on say she liked tris's catchup but also that she disliked her interaction with slime so i'm assuming she'd be somewhere on the same position)

also happy scumday kyoko

ok i'll be back later

[Datisi]

who else is scum, superbowl?

[Datisi]

VOTE: bugspray

[Datisi]

wait fuck you were scum?

[Datisi]

[new role assigments]

Sorry, Datisi.

man at first i was salty my town rolecop role PM got ripped away from me, but not gonna lie this was pretty fun. gg, and thanks for modding!!

[Datisi]

i bet if datisi rolled town here he would not have written something so flippant

openwolfing in stop getting banned thread