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Hello, travellers. I have wandered these lands for a long time; seen many sinners condemned, many saints saved. Perhaps I can be of assistance.
- Your faithful aspiring advisor, Aisa.
*if this is annoying to anyone I can drop it-
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VOTE: AurorusVox
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Oclaxian Empire town? Bella town? Arko town?
Arko, I disagree with parts of your analysis, by the way! But it doesn't really matter.-
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Oh, also - preemptive notice I will be V/LA from the 17th to the 20th. I will just about be able to prodge and move my vote around but don't expect any actual thinking on those days.-
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Yeah basically, it was a joking RVS vote. I have no reason to suspect Aurorus as of page 2 and have not read past page 2 yet (working on it tho~)In post 41, Arko wrote:
I'm gonna ask this question too. I wasn't looking here till now. Aisa, Are you like- Going for an OMGUS vote on Aur? and BB, I mean I understand if you aren't agreeing with the townreads, it could easily come from a sinner (There are 3 of them!) but what's your specific thoughts on me?In post 40, Oclaxian Empire wrote:why these votes specifically?
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I TL Bella for this. Stating a read early on, and I, too, understand.
I think I understand Ranger's perspective that BloodB0t could be distancing, too. Idk my read on Blood overall though. I considered Oclaxian Empire + Arko scum together, seems like page 3 could be playful ribbing between teammates. Ironically I think Ranger could also be scum looking for an angle, partnered with one or more of {BloodB0t, Oclaxian Empire, Arko}.
The only actual read I have is the Bella townlean, the rest are scenarios I'm musing but I have no take on their relative likelihood.-
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Sorry, I originally skimmed page 3 but on a more careful reread "playful ribbing" is not the right description.-
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Tell me more?In post 89, Vanderscamp wrote:
Strong read that OE and Arko are not scum together, I don't think you say "I don't think you'll die from my vote" if your plan is to bus.In post 47, Oclaxian Empire wrote: grim: fwiw, i expect the rvs vote to change, and i dont realistically think ull die from my vote, but it did elicit a reaction from u and that’s the thing i wanted from u.
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You think page 3 sounded like playful ribbing?In post 84, Aisa wrote:Spoiler:
I TL Bella for this. Stating a read early on, and I, too, understand.
I think I understand Ranger's perspective that BloodB0t could be distancing, too. Idk my read on Blood overall though. I considered Oclaxian Empire + Arko scum together, seems like page 3 could be playful ribbing between teammates. Ironically I think Ranger could also be scum looking for an angle, partnered with one or more of {BloodB0t, Oclaxian Empire, Arko}.
The only actual read I have is the Bella townlean, the rest are scenarios I'm musing but I have no take on their relative likelihood.
I didn't get that impression at all.
Yeah whoops. Initially I had looked at a few posts and my brain decided that the rest of the interaction must have been more of the same.In post 85, Aisa wrote: Sorry, I originally skimmed page 3 but on a more careful reread "playful ribbing" is not the right description.-
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UNVOTE:
Will figure out a serious vote at some point, still digesting everything now-
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Having thought about it, you're right about the interactions since meaning they are unlikely to be partnered. And establishing that feels like the most important point in this conversation.In post 123, Vanderscamp wrote:Spoiler: Context
Do you still want me to tell you more?
I think my first post summed up my point and I think their interactions since then where Ox seemed very annoyed just strengthen my read, and I think it's fairly clear.
I had questions such as:
- Why isn't "I don't think you'll die from my vote" something you say when you bus?
- Why is it such a strong read? -> I think I understand this one now
- In a world where Arko and Oclaxian Empire were both scum, would they be more likely to hard bus or to distance just a little bit? Is "I don't think you'll die from my vote" unlikely in both scenarios? -> Also feels like a pointless question at the moment-
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Actually, could you humour me and still try to answer some of those questions?-
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In some ways I find Vanders sooo towny. The above post, for example ^
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I'm still worried he's scum. Send help!-
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iiiihhIn post 151, Vanderscamp wrote:In post 147, Aisa wrote: In some ways I find Vanders sooo towny. The above post, for example ^
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Maybe I’ll regret saying this in 2 hours’ time, but Vanders can have a townread for now…
*trembles like a leaf*
I like the lemon too but I haven’t thought about it as hard. (The lemon is AurorusVox.)-
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What do you mean by the bolded?In post 154, Arko wrote:
Yes I'm E-2. I can't change that. It's bad. However, I could change ox being E-2. So I did. Found it too early when we have so much time left. If they end up acting scummierIn post 152, AurorusVox wrote:
Not sure I buy this panic tbhIn post 118, Arko wrote: Morning.
UNVOTE:
Ok... 3 Votes on ox already is way too quick. It took you guys only like 12 hours past my original vote. plus, BB was against ox too so they might of voted/hammered also. That's way too quick for a game with 3 scum vs 6.
If scum orchestrated a quick hammer on someone at e-2 are they not just handing us the easy win since we only need to send 2 of them to hell?
Also it’s weird to me that you were focusing on ox making e-2 quickly when you were also at e-2 at the time and in fact still are?or they are on track to death, yes, I may revote them.-
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If Arko is scum then I think Ranger looks pretty bad, hopefully it’s pretty clear why.
My read on Ranger is contingent on what Arko is at the moment, I think.-
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What's the implication you're referring to?
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I do kinda like Oclaxian Empire's latest 3 posts, yeah. We're less than 72 hours in and I've already been tempted to townread everyone except KawaiiKame. No offense to you Kawaii, it's just that 1 post in RVS is not a lot to go off of-
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More like I thought the other two made sense and the third seemed neutral lol-
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*I don’t necessarily endorse your opinion, I just think that seems like a reasonable answer to my q-
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Because… what I am wrong and you’re secretly super sneaky, and me giving you the townread starts a chain of actions like the beat of a butterfly’s wings, making everyone else townread you too, and then we get attached to you and trust you and look up to you, and give you allll the soft power, which you use to do sneaky things like pushing saints into hell one at a time, except you do it slowly slowly and make us think it was our own idea, and before we know it we all dieeeee?In post 194, Vanderscamp wrote:
Why is giving me a townread terrifying?In post 157, Aisa wrote: Maybe I’ll regret saying this in 2 hours’ time, but Vanders can have a townread for now…
*trembles like a leaf*
I like the lemon too but I haven’t thought about it as hard. (The lemon is AurorusVox.)
More serious posting later :’)-
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I'm not sure how I feel about you not being sure how you feel about my wonderful sense of humour...In post 210, AurorusVox wrote:
I’m not sure how I feel about this…In post 207, Aisa wrote:
Because… what I am wrong and you’re secretly super sneaky, and me giving you the townread starts a chain of actions like the beat of a butterfly’s wings, making everyone else townread you too, and then we get attached to you and trust you and look up to you, and give you allll the soft power, which you use to do sneaky things like pushing saints into hell one at a time, except you do it slowly slowly and make us think it was our own idea, and before we know it we all dieeeee?In post 194, Vanderscamp wrote:
Why is giving me a townread terrifying?In post 157, Aisa wrote: Maybe I’ll regret saying this in 2 hours’ time, but Vanders can have a townread for now…
*trembles like a leaf*
I like the lemon too but I haven’t thought about it as hard. (The lemon is AurorusVox.)
More serious posting later :’)
I don't deliberately do one over the other, I'd guess that I've typically had better results by some version of townhunting where I find a good number of townies and the rest of the scum get PoEd out. But the sample size is smallIn post 211, AurorusVox wrote: Asia do you normally prefer to townhunt or scumhunt??
If you're town you're probably getting a bit sketched out by the fact I'm being hedgy and talking about my reads in uncertain terms - I think people who have played with me would agree that that's not unusual for me.-
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Hello again, I'm here and ready to produce content~
I see your request, Ranger
Arko, there still is a lonely question seeking answer over hereIn post 158, Aisa wrote:
What do you mean by the bolded?In post 154, Arko wrote:
Yes I'm E-2. I can't change that. It's bad. However, I could change ox being E-2. So I did. Found it too early when we have so much time left. If they end up acting scummierIn post 152, AurorusVox wrote:
Not sure I buy this panic tbhIn post 118, Arko wrote: Morning.
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Ok... 3 Votes on ox already is way too quick. It took you guys only like 12 hours past my original vote. plus, BB was against ox too so they might of voted/hammered also. That's way too quick for a game with 3 scum vs 6.
If scum orchestrated a quick hammer on someone at e-2 are they not just handing us the easy win since we only need to send 2 of them to hell?
Also it’s weird to me that you were focusing on ox making e-2 quickly when you were also at e-2 at the time and in fact still are?or they are on track to death, yes, I may revote them.-
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Fair enough, yes. I'll reread Arko later and I don't know what read I'll end up with, but if it feels important to communicate I will communicate it.In post 176, Ranger wrote:
Bad approach tbh. My reads are fluid. Write a case on what makes Arko scum and I'll listen. You can convince me. I simply haven't been, because Arko's content is by far the towniest in the game imo.In post 159, Aisa wrote:My read on Ranger is contingent on what Arko is at the moment, I think.
Disagree that "has determined", "won't reevaluate" are stating that you're town, I think that I could easily use similar wording wrt someone I suspect.
This is a very interesting way of wording it.In post 162, Oclaxian Empire wrote:"you and arko can't be scum, but even if you flip town, i don't think arko is scum still bc arko's the towniest slot in the game"
It's simultaneously stating I'm town (163; "has determined", "won't reevaluate"; those aren't phrases used to describe a scum player, those are phrases describing a town player), while also taking the least-flattering reading of my 149.
I'm torn about your "least-flattering reading" point.
I know this isn't about Arko per se, we'll get to your case on Arko after this post.
"Disingenuous" is a charged word, but change it to "imprecise" and I agree.I believe Arko-OE have interactions strongly indicating they're not scum-scum. Scum-town's possible. Town-scum's possible. Town-town's possible. Never scum-scum.
Separately, Arko is my strongest townread rn.
Separately, Oclaxian Empire's content has overall been suspect, enough to be a main scum candidate.
Arko isn't town because of OE being scum. The three points had no connection. Stating they did connect is somewhat disingenuous.-
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Yeahhhh you know what, these are good points. Arko gets my townread!In post 177, Ranger wrote:[...]
As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,
I loved this thought process.In post 26, Arko wrote:Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.
I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.
There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.-
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What is your read on Arko, Vanders? Am I going to find it somewhere among the posts I haven't read yet?-
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OhIn post 258, Vanderscamp wrote: My main point is that I don't believe that you're reading all of the posts you quoted as towny, regardless of the strength of the read, but anyway, i think the lemon's post that it's weird for Arko to put someone at E-2, and then a day later say that we shouldn't be putting people at E-2, is a compelling case and possibly more alignment indicative than any of the posts you've quoted about Arko.-
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Ranger, was it your Arko towncase or your OE scumcase that you wanted me to comment on?In post 215, Ranger wrote:In post 213, Aisa wrote:Or maybe it's just my disarming charisma, that happens tooAisa:You've started your more serious reading.
Would you care to comment on my case?-
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Thanks, I will get to that at some point.
I was gonna ask if your frustration was not maybe a bit too premature, but actually if we take, say, post 184 as the beginning of the case then it's actually been almost 24 hours, which seems reasonable.In post 260, Ranger wrote: On that note, it's frustrating how few players are engaging me. I genuinely feel Oclaxian Empire has a very high chance of being scum here and my reasons for the belief are strong.-
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@Vanders, I see you've answered my question, that's nice and answering this post feels like a very fair trade now!
I did click on the links! Most, not all, admittedly. It's in fact impossible to form an opinion on the case without clicking the links; you tell me if you can judge the words "54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset" without knowing what post 54 is.In post 268, Vanderscamp wrote:
Are they good points?In post 257, Aisa wrote:
Yeahhhh you know what, these are good points. Arko gets my townread!In post 177, Ranger wrote:[...]
As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,
I loved this thought process.In post 26, Arko wrote:Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.
I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.
There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.
Did you click on any of the posts that Ranger linked to see which posts they were talking about?
This is a genuine question, I'm interested in the answer to this.
I'm interested if you agreed with the reads on all of the individual posts, or just some of them.
I thought most of them weregreatpoints. I agreed about most of the things Ranger pointed out being town-indicative, and that's pretty rare. (The embarrassment I will go through if Arko turns out to be scum though! ) The bits I disagree with are 118 and 154, I can't decide whether they're town indicative or scum indicative yet, and though I haven't read the discussion about post 154 in detail yet, if Arko has contradicted himself a bit that's always a little worrying. Then again I don't think inconsistency is always scummy. We'll see.-
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Pagetop not mine but at least I know that the mod is reading my posts
I also agree with this! and have reconsidered my earlier idea that Ranger could be scum with Arko.In post 271, BloodB0t wrote:
I agree.In post 270, Vanderscamp wrote:
I think if Ranger is scum their read on Arko is more likely to be scum defending a town than a partner.
Not really game relevant, but Vanders, if you're town I think watching out for TMI is a great thing to do, one of my favourite tells for sure. I have a separate, silly reason to TR Ranger though! And a non-silly reason, which is that I agree with their recent posting.
...The silly reason is that me and Bella got put into the same tier in the second readslist and I think that if I were scum I would just copy-paste my first readslist and only change what is necessaryIn post 256, Ranger wrote: Spite-readslist would be,
{Arko, AurorusVox}
{Aisa}
{Bellaphant}
{KawaiiKame}
{Vanderscamp}
{BloodB0t}
{Oclaxian Empire}
...But I can't bring myself to actually commit to the spite. It's just not my thing.
So actual readslist would probably be closer to,
{AurorusVox}
{Aisa, Bellaphant}
{Arko}
{KawaiiKame, Vanderscamp}
{BloodB0t}
{Oclaxian Empire}-
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I keep considering rescinding my townread on you for getting into silly arguments with Ranger, but every time I see a towny post you made which makes me want to not rescind the townread, it's quite something!-
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It's not because you're calling me real, noo, I'm totally not vulnerable to pockets-
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I need rest too, last points before I go:
- Ranger is town, Ranger wagon not good, if I wake up tomorrow and see that you people have decided to hammer Ranger before I can post again I am certainly not going to be advocating for sending any of you to heaven in the next phase xx
- Not going to fan the flames on Oclaxian Empire's wagon when I haven't digested the whole case, but at a first glance I like that vote a lot more than Ranger or Arko.
- Welcome to the game Kowahbunga!
- Happy scumday, AurorusVox!
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I don't understand what this post means. What does it mean?In post 295, Bellaphant wrote:In post 268, Vanderscamp wrote:
Are they good points?In post 257, Aisa wrote:
Yeahhhh you know what, these are good points. Arko gets my townread!In post 177, Ranger wrote:[...]
As for Arko, I've vibed with them from the beginning. First page was just vibes of rvs + liking their mechtalk; the townread started in earnest from 26. Specifically,
I loved this thought process.In post 26, Arko wrote:Also- I'm betting now that one of the non-posters is a sinner. the other 2 are probably within this group of 7 though as you could probably obviously tell.
I liked the engagement in 41.
I liked the sentiment of 43/48/61/65.
54 is an approach I feel comes from a town mindset.
The explanation of 69 is an approach which is nai, but the context of sharing it makes me lean town. (Someone explaining their philosophy is nai in of itself. The context behind explaining the philosophy can be ai, in this case, +town.)
I felt 118 was a good approach upon returning to the thread.
154 is not a scum post.
There's good reason Arko's my top townread.
Near as I can tell, there's no reason for Arko to be scum.
Did you click on any of the posts that Ranger linked to see which posts they were talking about?
This is a genuine question, I'm interested in the answer to this.
I'm interested if you agreed with the reads on all of the individual posts, or just some of them.
I really like this, mainly because I am now skimming rangers posts;)-
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I don't think so. I remember you were at times suspicious of me in Mini Normal 2283, but I don't think self-consciousness was a reason you gave.In post 296, Bellaphant wrote: Aisa, have I scum read you for self conscious posting before?
In post 300, Vanderscamp wrote:
Saying "vibed obvtown" then reevaluating seems more towny than notIn post 298, Bellaphant wrote: I can't work out my read on aisa at all: I thought vibed obv!town, then I was weirdes out about them being so strange about granting a town read, then town again, then I disliked their jumping in fully with ranger, but their response was vibe town again. The thing that's bothering me about their recent posting though is that it feels quite ...self conscious?
Also, I think Vanders is saying that you seem towny?In post 301, Bellaphant wrote: Fair, think I'm just in my head a bit about the set up, as it seems fairly town sided but with slightly less info to go on than normal? I don't think I've played nightless before.
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^Agreed
Day 3 of seeking an answer to thisIn post 244, Aisa wrote:
Arko, there still is a lonely question seeking answer over hereIn post 158, Aisa wrote:
What do you mean by the bolded?In post 154, Arko wrote:
Yes I'm E-2. I can't change that. It's bad. However, I could change ox being E-2. So I did. Found it too early when we have so much time left. If they end up acting scummierIn post 152, AurorusVox wrote:
Not sure I buy this panic tbhIn post 118, Arko wrote: Morning.
UNVOTE:
Ok... 3 Votes on ox already is way too quick. It took you guys only like 12 hours past my original vote. plus, BB was against ox too so they might of voted/hammered also. That's way too quick for a game with 3 scum vs 6.
If scum orchestrated a quick hammer on someone at e-2 are they not just handing us the easy win since we only need to send 2 of them to hell?
Also it’s weird to me that you were focusing on ox making e-2 quickly when you were also at e-2 at the time and in fact still are?or they are on track to death, yes, I may revote them.
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Ok, I'm caught up now, or at least I hope I have read all the posts with enough attention.
I can finally address Ranger's case on OE. Let's say the following post is The Case:
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I disagree with it. In short simply because I think that saying Ranger "determined" OE's alignment, in the context it was first brought up in, was not a slip of the tongue.
This said, I don't think OE's reaction is very reassuring, though I haven't nailed down a read on that slot yet.-
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This feels like a pretty scummy sequence. (Sorry, Kowahbunga! Keen to talk if I'm wrong.)In post 313, Kowahbunga wrote:
I only found one post out of the 12 pages that I felt strongly about. I was hoping for more.In post 312, BloodB0t wrote:
Why?In post 311, Kowahbunga wrote: My read through was not as productive as I thought it would be
Request: please find any post any other player feels strongly about, and explain why you don't feel strongly about it. (E.g. mastina cares about a lot of posts by Arko or OE. Vanders cares about mastina's towncase on Arko.)
I have no idea if this will end up being helpful, but one idea may be to try to concentrate on one small aspect at a time? Just focus on one small interaction and try to nail down how you feel about that interaction. Also don't be afraid to just throw out some questions or talk about what you feel uncertain about. I liked your post 237!In post 315, Arko wrote: Hello... I guess. I'm tired.
I'm not really finding much motivation and fun in this setup. 5v3 is feeling kinda bad to play in, personally. Pure Dayplay 5v3 to be specific.
But I'll continue to soldier on for like another day or two.
I have no reads really, this game hasn't been fun to me, and is on the backburner and will most likely be sent further into the backburner.
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Mm not quite, I'll do it now:In post 322, AurorusVox wrote: Aisa have you commented on my case vs arko regarding the e-2 fiasco?
To be fair that is a bit worrying, yeahSpoiler:
I can think of reasons it might come from a townie and I'm tempted to kinda shrug it off / Ranger's reasons to townread Arko are strong enough for me that this isn't enough to make me scumread the slot.
This is definitely a bit +scum, and I do think Arko should address this point when he is next around (I don’t like the fact arko has not engaged with this point against him; and instead has retreated into disengagement. It seems this is his MO if Asia having to ask again and again is anything to go by.@Arko).
Had a similar thought to yours.Ranger I can’t tell if their “reevaluation” of arko is legit or fabricated to deflect heat from their own position.
Though I've literally just had a similar reaction to your case as Ranger did so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe she is just still town!-
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Anyway, I have put less effort into the game today than yesterday, gonna sheep my read from yesterday that Ranger is likely town. So the priority is to get this wagon off Ranger.
VOTE: BloodB0t who wants to wagon this with me? xx
I can case tomorrow.
Why not Oclaxian Empire, you might wonder? I like some of the points Vander has brought up for why they might be town, gut says BloodB0t is a bit scummier.
Kowahbunga also has ~24 hours to town it up or convince me that post of theirs I quoted is not scummy before I start thinking that wagoning them is fair play.-
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Things definitely just got a bit spicier heheIn post 341, Doctor Drew wrote:You know I definitely got my eye on you as well Aisa
Eeeee maybe try not pre-flipping Ranger?In post 343, Doctor Drew wrote:
Agreed, although still not loving you and Aisa for town, so there is that.....speaking ofIn post 272, Vanderscamp wrote: I think blood is quite towny, I agree with all of what they're saying.
Maybe it is just bias, but feeling the same scummy vibes from you Aisa. And the part about hoping Ranger isn't hammered before you can post screams of Titus from ChatGPT.In post 291, Aisa wrote: I need rest too, last points before I go:
- Ranger is town, Ranger wagon not good, if I wake up tomorrow and see that you people have decided to hammer Ranger before I can post again I am certainly not going to be advocating for sending any of you to heaven in the next phase xx
- Not going to fan the flames on Oclaxian Empire's wagon when I haven't digested the whole case, but at a first glance I like that vote a lot more than Ranger or Arko.
- Welcome to the game Kowahbunga!
- Happy scumday, AurorusVox!
- Am I just going to sheep Ranger into oblivion this game? Keep reading to find out!
I might be unfair, but you are lucky I am not vig this game
More or less done with my catchup.....kinda skimmed a bit but wanted to at least get the general gist of the happenings here.
Lucky foryouI actually need to sort you this game-
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I didn't know I missed having Drew in my game until he replaced into the game.
it feels like Kowahbunga is drip-feeding us their opinions and I think that's a bit +scum.Tl;dr:
Sometimes (not always) I change my mind on a scumread when I talk to them, so you can consider talking to me, K.
Wall in the spoiler, I recommend at least clicking on the button but I don't mind people skimming it
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In my head I wanna TR {Vanders, Ranger, Drew, Bella} + {myself}. Is that too much? That leaves {Oclaxian Empire, BloodB0t, Kowahbunga, AurorusVox} in the PoE. Yeah that's too far for this stage of the game, I'm gonna be looking for a townread to demote.
Sorry lemon, I know I said I TRed you earlier, there's some mixed stuff in your posting and I don't feel ready to TR you at the moment.-
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If we were playing make-Aisa-blush you'd be firmly in first place though ^^In post 239, AurorusVox wrote:
I mean it’s disarming for sure lol you make me want to read you as townIn post 213, Aisa wrote: Or maybe it's just my disarming charisma, that happens too
While I've got eyeballs on this post, by the way, I never intended to deflect. I didn't just make up that reaction for laughs, it was played up a bit but meant to showcase the genuine underlying feeling I felt which made me say that I was a bit scared to townread Vanders.But it was more the deflecting of the question that tingled my citric juices. I suppose it depends if you answer it when you get to Serious PostingTM
Put another way, I could have had that reaction to townreading any player - I never meant to imply there was a specific feature of Vanders's play that made him especially scary to read.-
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Right yes the short version is just that I TR ranger and I want the wagon off her. I did go a bit eeny-meeny-miny-moe, could have voted someone else on a different day, depending on who made a scummy looking posting more recently.
I thought this post was very scummy, it felt like you really wanted to get the last word in in that discussion and nitpicking a small detail in what I remember was a longer post. There was no follow up to it. You didn't keep pushing Ranger or mention that you changed your mind or anything. So idk it kinda felt like you were possibly half-giving up on having a scumread on Ranger.In post 284, BloodB0t wrote: 282 Makes sense but I think you're exagerating that it'sinsanelytownie, you even admit that it can be faked "if they think to".
I'll say you do sound similar to ChatGPT as I remember, I haven't gone back to look. I pushed you there because I thought there were aspects of your play that genuinely would look scummy if I pointed them out, so it could be there's just a bit of the same going on this game and you're actually town.-
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<48 hours to go, what to do?
I probably gotta case someone a bit more strongly but I don't wannaaa-
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Rereading Ranger's posts I feel like the best reasons to SR Ranger are
1. The push on OE, which is largely splitting hairs about some wording OE used
2. Maybe Ranger is TMIing the read on Arko/Drew
3. Maybe the timing of Ranger's reconsideration does look a bit appeasy
Yet if you look past them there's a lot of stuff that looks towny. One example is this post:
You can agree or disagree about the read on Arko and OE, but there is plenty to townread in the approach of this post.In post 176, Ranger wrote:
Bad approach tbh. My reads are fluid. Write a case on what makes Arko scum and I'll listen. You can convince me. I simply haven't been, because Arko's content is by far the towniest in the game imo.In post 159, Aisa wrote:My read on Ranger is contingent on what Arko is at the moment, I think.
This is a very interesting way of wording it.In post 162, Oclaxian Empire wrote:"you and arko can't be scum, but even if you flip town, i don't think arko is scum still bc arko's the towniest slot in the game"
It's simultaneously stating I'm town (163; "has determined", "won't reevaluate"; those aren't phrases used to describe a scum player, those are phrases describing a town player), while also taking the least-flattering reading of my 149.
I believe Arko-OE have interactions strongly indicating they're not scum-scum. Scum-town's possible. Town-scum's possible. Town-town's possible. Never scum-scum.
Separately, Arko is my strongest townread rn.
Separately, Oclaxian Empire's content has overall been suspect, enough to be a main scum candidate.
Arko isn't town because of OE being scum. The three points had no connection. Stating they did connect is somewhat disingenuous.
1. "You can convince me". This is not a scum!Aisa thought. Ranger is not me, but there probably still is some correlation.
2. Look at the separation into three separate points - read on Arko, read on OE, and interaction. This seems quite principledand more likely to come from town<- changed my mind, maybe not
Maybe there's an actually interesting question: are the reasons to scumread Ranger stronger or weaker than the reasons to townread Ranger? I probably haven't quite figured out this one yet, my heart is still saying Ranger town but I'd be lying if I said I was 100% sure.-
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In post 356, Aisa wrote: In my head I wanna TR {Vanders, Ranger, Drew, Bella} + {myself}. Is that too much? That leaves {Oclaxian Empire, BloodB0t, Kowahbunga, AurorusVox} in the PoE. Yeah that's too far for this stage of the game, I'm gonna be looking for a townread to demote.
Sorry lemon, I know I said I TRed you earlier, there's some mixed stuff in your posting and I don't feel ready to TR you at the moment.
I can flip, nearly at will, between viewing your posts as vibey town and random comments scum can easily fake. I don't know which of these worlds we live in.In post 385, AurorusVox wrote:what mix do you mean?
One thing that tingled my spidey senses a bit was this post, I think I took it especially hard that you said I was deflecting, lol.In post 239, AurorusVox wrote:
I mean it’s disarming for sure lol you make me want to read you as townIn post 213, Aisa wrote: Or maybe it's just my disarming charisma, that happens too
But it was more the deflecting of the question that tingled my citric juices. I suppose it depends if you answer it when you get to Serious PostingTM
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@ranger yeah the “decide”/“know” thing could be a slip but could it not also be in the context of “you’ve decided … to present ox as a scumread / arko as a townread … as scum”?
I think this was also when I was in my hardcore "HoW dArE yOu QuEsTiOn RaNgEr" phase so anyone who disagreed with her automatically got -townpoints.
FWIW gun to my head I'm thinking you're town.
I'm pretty convinced that at least one of my townreads is wrong, I just don't know which yet.-
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I think we'd all happily compromise on Kowahbunga if anyone so much as proposed the vote, and I think it would be a shame to elim someone who has just substituted in, but going easy on replace ins does not a game of mafia make, so
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Flip is disappointing
Bella is my #1 townread atm I think
VOTE: Bella
V/LA until the 20th, but I should be able to say a bit more tomorrow-
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Anything is gonna struggle getting to 5 pure town votes because there are 5 townies left. I’m not using this to argue in favour of anyone specifically, just observing.
Also if someone is not self voting they can self hammer when they reach 4 votes, so watch out for that.-
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Though I get what Vanders is saying: “this slot had 3 people townreading them including themselves, if it suddenly shoots up to 5 that’s maybe not such a good sign”
That’s maybe a townie perspective more than not.-
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I can see why Vanders might be an appealing vote today, I could possibly be convinced to vote that, though I want to examine it a bit more-
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Also note that if we successfully put a townie into heaven today we’ll be in 4v3 tomorrow, which needless to say is a very difficult ratio to eliminate scum in, so the heaven townie is very likely to have to intervene.
I’m not saying to put a scum into heaven because that has its own problems lol, and I don’t know what the implications are, it’s just a thought.-
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Some questions I'm asking myself at the moment:
1. Is Ranger scum?
2. How many scum does {Ranger, Vanderscamp} contain?
3. How are the 3 scum split across fault lines? Are they all pushing for the same thing or for different things?
4. How much have scum planned ahead? In particular, are there members of the scum team who have been positioning to look towny since yesterday? Are we even able to tell from the current gamestate?
5. What is the maths of putting a saint vs a sinner in heaven today?
6. Drew pushed me earlier partly based on saying that I'm similar to my previous scum game. I know there are differences. What does this mean?
7. Do I stick with something similar to my current reads, or do I need to throw them out and restart from scratch?-
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