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[Fro99er]

Yeah, I keep reading that again.

I can kinda see the "if space is town bork is more likely scum" as a bit of a lining up lynch stuff. Although I'm not sure it was intended that way. And the part that bothers me the most is how she insists SS should be the focus, because then if he flips town it gives her a reason to think you're more likely scum. (and if she's scum then she knows SS will flip town, which leads to the lining up lynches scenario).

[Fro99er]

I think the pedits don't work either. My 749 was in reference to the post you just colored.

[Fro99er]

I really want SS's wallpost now

[Fro99er]

My vote is on SBF pending SS's wallpost. But I have this back of the mind feeling SS is delaying this wallpost.

He keeps coming back in and saying he'll make it instead of just making it.

[Fro99er]

whoops she

[Fro99er]

YES I AM GETTING BCAK TO YOU JESUS GIVE ME THREE MINUTES

[Fro99er]

Heading to bed so will have to make my longer post tomorrow. I've already covered the basic reasons why I'm SRing SBF (although if anyone wants me to elaborate I will) so I was mainly just planning on going point by point through her case on me.

I thought your wall was elaboration on your points.

Or is your elaboration on your SBF scumread different from your wall?

[Fro99er]

I believe it is a mislynch due to wagon construction, reactions, and timing.

yet you have yet to tell me who is the scum on her wagon

[Fro99er]

I have already answered that I believe GL is scum. He gave intent to hammer.

wait, so the scum on her wagon is someone not on her wagon and so the timing of her wagon is scum motivated by someone not on her wagon?

[Fro99er]

timing = how the fuck is GL scum on Bella wagon
construction = how the fuck is GL scum on Bella wagon

reaction is the only reason you can scumread GL for the bella wagon.

[Fro99er]

I did not say that him not being powertown = him being scum

When he isn't powertown, he is usually scum.

come the fuck on

lol

[Fro99er]

I'm not going to fucking explain to you guys how to play mafia.

I think I know who you are

[Fro99er]

h

[Fro99er]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Fro99er]

SCREW YOU MOD I HATE YOU

(you're actually pretty cool)

[Fro99er]

I already mentioned the timing issue before but its essentially this: SBF's read on Eddie shifts drastically from 200 to 288. SBF claims this was because she saw Eddie's followthrough from his "opening move" which made her TR her. I don't buy it. Everything Eddie says about SBF between 200 and 288 is stuff that he already said before. We've asked SBF this a couple times:

@SBF: more specifically, what changed between 200 and now, considering I think Eddie's trajectory on you has not changed one iota since then and you don't seem to be townreading him for any other reason

Cane's opening was, as I see it, a reaction test. Scum love easy targets, and giving one to them is a very effective way to hunt.

where she pretty much avoids the substance of the question and more recently in post 709 which she kind of responds to by saying:

Essentially I don't think Eddie expressed any new sentiments in his read on her before 288 that he hadn't already expressed before 200 which makes the sudden change seem odd.

This just shows that you aren't reading this game with the intent to sort. There's nothing strange about the timing of 288. It closely follows 280 and 287. That's called satisfaction.

But if you look at the posts here's what Eddie says in 280 and 287:

this is why I'm voting sbf. she has done 0. 0. she came back and produced nothing. I want her to take stances and start posting.

sbf has done nothing and it's 12 pages in. is that normal for her? we've never played before.

And here's what he says in 174 (before she started TRing him):

sbf is a good vote for now. he has basically checked in and that's it. this game is new but God damn 2 short posts with no content is not enough. voting will pressure him to actually do something - or justify voting me at the the very least.

Pretty much the same right? I don't buy that 280 and 287 caused SBF to changer her mind about Eddie because they show some follow through that 174 doesn't. More likely that SBF realized her initial vote on Eddie looked opportunistic and was unjustified and is making up reasons to explain her behavior. This is pretty blatantly contradictory and she's avoided directly answering the question this whole time.

The only thing I can say against this is did you look at 207

Is that not something different?

[Fro99er]

Althought 207 did have tones of "lack of post count" stuff too

[Fro99er]

@SBF what about eddie's reaction between 200 and 288 made you change your read of him?

[Fro99er]

He followed it up by pressuring the slot that pressured him for this, which revealed the Town motivation hidden in his opening, namely to instigate content by appearing anti-town. His push on me was designed to sort me and punish me for opportunism if my reasons for voting him were not legitimate. There was no agenda besides hunting, and for this I townread the slot.

his push on you was mainly about you not posting, which as SS pointed out he posted about prior to post 200.

[Fro99er]

actually it was completely about you not posting

[Fro99er]

^@SBF

[Fro99er]

SBF also avoiding me about the Eddie read was particularly bad.

[Fro99er]

VOTE: SBF

I'm going back to here.

[Fro99er]

Finished my work.

VOTE: SBF

Eddie I want you to explain your take on the timing issue because I don't buy what SBF is saying. The sentiments you express in 280 and 287 (i.e. SBF isn't doing anything) you express equally well in 174.

Heading to bed so will have to make my longer post tomorrow. I've already covered the basic reasons why I'm SRing SBF (although if anyone wants me to elaborate I will) so I was mainly just planning on going point by point through her case on me.

the game had progressed enough, I took it as more of a length thing where she decided I was genuine.

What?

[Fro99er]

Methinks i can steal me a pagetop!

where's the vc loser

Can you swin something useful.

We're a day from deadline and as it stands now we're going to no lynch because Bella is gone, Lowell is gone, and you are sitting there not voting anyone.

How am I the only player in this game that scumreads eddie?

[Fro99er]

Swin= do. I have no idea how my phone autocorrected to that

[Fro99er]

Ok. That makes sense.

But that doesn't explain why she suddenly town read you for your behavior toward her slot, when you did nothing different toward her slot in that time frame.

[Fro99er]

Gun to my head SBF is town.

Who do you even scumread?

[Fro99er]

@Eddie - down for an SBF lynch? If you'd like I can go more through her ISO and explain the scumread in depth but you seem to have a TR on her so I'm unsure if you'd want to join in.

sell me on it. as I said, Lowell and bork are the only people I will not consider.

[Fro99er]

Eddie's posturing to be on a Lowell wagon.

I dunno if that's so he can bus Lowell or because he knows Lowell is town, but eddie is scum

VOTE: Eddie

[Fro99er]

Eddie's posturing to be on a Lowell wagon.

I dunno if that's so he can bus Lowell or because he knows Lowell is town, but eddie is scum

VOTE: Eddie

"Lowell might be town or scum but you're scum"

this is exactly what he's saying and i think even he'd agree with that

This is exactly why I'm saying.

Eddie's posturing around Lowell is gross af

[Fro99er]

Even Lowell thought so

[Fro99er]

He literally went from "never lynching lowell" to "lowell's stance on frogger is suspicious and he didn't answer me"

Awfully soft turnaround there by eddie.

Posturing near deadline trying to justify a reason to be on your wagon if one were to take off on you

[Fro99er]

I've been thinking about sbf a lot, along with my Lowell read (I don't like how dodgy he's being). she did explain in depth though; whether or not it satisfied you is up to you.

Still feeling frogger as scum here. I think he's trying to overwhelm us with activity and energy.

Frogger: "THIS IS HOW I ALWAYS PLAY. Get used to it wooooo Frog4LyFe!"

Sure, sure, but this feels more scum thread-bullying (in a massive text way, not in an abusive way) than it feels high-energy town.

@TTTT, no, seriously, no one ever thinks I'm town D1. You are suspicious.

and yet, never joined the frogger wagon and ignored my posts directed at him about it completely

So you never intended to vote Lowell but just wanted to throw shade here at him instead?

[Fro99er]

So why was it a problem for Lowell to have his thoughts out there about me but not vote me?

[Fro99er]

we are trying to lynch scum. clearly nobody is interested in voting frogger with me and nobody was interested in voting me with me. voting your strongest sr is nice and all but with under 24 hours on d1 left it's not a plausible outcome.

Give me a break with this.

Your suspicion of me is the most fake-ass read ever.

I didn't vote frogger with you? And I play cagey? Try harder, guy.

I'd vote frogger, bella, GL, and a couple others I'm forgetting. Show me the wagon and I'm there.

YET NOBODY BUT ME WANTS TO VOTE EDDIE DESPITE HIS MOST FAKE ASS READ EVER

[Fro99er]

@Mod vla until wednesday. I just got stung by a bark scorpion. FML

[Fro99er]

Feeling mostly better. I'll catch up after work.

[Fro99er]

I was hoping to see fro99er respond first before jumping in

I'm here. Give me a few

[Fro99er]

no post has struck me as scummy. I haven't thought "this seems off, let me review bella". I don't keep notes or anyrhing like that, realllllly not my style.

That's strangely where I am with bella.

What seemed off was meta-based rather than actual scum motivation. I don't mind the pressure on her. It's warranted and hopefully helps us get a better read on her. Nothing she's really done has pushed the game significantly forward or showed a scum-hunting desire. Not even in her sarcastic manner that I love. Strictly conent-based, she's null for me.

Meta-based I haven't seen happy go lucky bella like from last game. But I haven't seen tryhard scum!bella either. I've just seen disinterested bella, which happens from time to time with her as town when she's getting scumread.

Also null for me, and that makes me both uneasy and bummed out at the same time. When we vibe together, we win. Sometimes in 9 pages.

@T4

This is why Bella was bull for me.

If you think I am supposed to have a strong read on Bella when she was missing more than half the day and I didn't have a real chance to interact with her then you're making shit up.

[Fro99er]

*null, not bull, obv

[Fro99er]

I thought there was a decent chance I'd get nkd and Sobolev had thrown shade at him.

Oh come on. You were never gonna get NK'd with our 1v1. Either you're town and scum want to let our 1v1 fester, Orr you're scum. Either way you were never getting killed.

This is scum talk and anyone that doesn't see that is blind.

[Fro99er]

Aside from GL, do you think there were any scum on the Bella wagon?

Yeah, both were there.

yesterday you were voting Sobolev for a lot of the later part of the day. do you think the scum team is sobolev/gl?

Nope.

I like sbf's day start so far.

This is scum.

VOTE: 4T

The fact that I didn't die last night confirms GL as scum. If GL were Town the scumteam would have NKed me to incriminate GL for any easy mislynch. I had the 2nd scum PoE'd down to 4T and Space and GL's interactions with Space overall have been too messy to be partner interactions, so this is pretty clear cut.

I'm not sure 4T was scum on the Bella wagon. I think if anyone it was Lowell.

Look at the progression he took with Bella, and how he jump started that wagon after 4T's vote on bella sat there a while.

[Fro99er]

Also, at the idea that I'm an easy mislynch. I think in all of my games here I can remember 2, maybe 3 times when I've been mislynched.

yah fun fact just crunched the numbers and it's only happened 3 times

Word Sneak 2 - got death tunneled by scum!RC
How to Get Away with Murder - shouldn't have happened since I was tracker, but got turbolynched within 1 RL day on D2
Grey Flag - was voting scum in LYLO, got hammered by scum off of an awful vote by RachMarie

point is, town!GL is not easy to mislynch and I don't plan on that happening in this game either, and if you were as familiar with my meta as you pretend to be then you should know this too.

Where did SBF say she was familiar w your meta?

I know she's an alt, but I mossed the familiar with your meta part.

[Fro99er]

How is fro99er best friends with bella with lots of game experience together and yet near deadline says...

Am I always supposed to be able to sort her? No.

I've been wrong on her as town. Meta is my starting point. My end point is how she plays and I've misread her before. I was conflicted on my read of her in both meta and in her actual content. If you want to point out exactly why my reads of her were scummy, go right ahead. But saying I don't have a concrete on her because we are friends is simply reaching for a reason without actually studying the history of my reads between me and her (among all our games, not just this one)

Do you need me to point you to another game where I misread her. Or where i null read her? Or where I didn't trust her at first before finally trusting her but having a situational advantage over her so it was faux trust because if she didn't do as I said I knew she was scum?

The fact you think i'm supposed to have an auto read of her is simply just a manufactured reason

VOTE: TTTT

[Fro99er]

UNVOTE:

I missed your vote

[Fro99er]

Mod reminder I'm VLA from tomorrow til the 25th

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VOTE: tttt

Why the vote?

[Fro99er]

Wait why didn't Eddie just come out and vote me?

[Fro99er]

@Frogger - why is 942 scummy even granting that Eddie has no reason to assume he'd be NK?

In this particular situation scum!Eddie has every reason to be like "oh i thought I was gonna get NK'd"

It makes him appear as if he's town by pretending he was a possible NK victim without actually analyzing why him being a NK victom makes no sense.

It's just a statement to throw out there to appear town, without actually analyzing why that makes no sense.

[Fro99er]

Looks more like ignorance of the gamestate to me

Why ignorance instead of something scum says here?

Ignorance can be willful, you know.

[Fro99er]

and btw frogger the fact you just voted for the same person I did without knowing I did so should make you at least take a step back and think j/s

OH GEE WHY DO YOU THINK I UNVOTED

[Fro99er]

1000

[Fro99er]

Uh, that's what rethink means.

[Fro99er]

Wedding anniversary was today. I'll post in the morning

[Fro99er]

@Mod VLA through the weekend. Decided to
make a full weekend out of our anniversary.

[Fro99er]

Back from anniversary VLA. I'll read through in a bit

[Fro99er]

also so now SBF and Eddie have eachother both as "utterly" or "painfully" "obvious" town. I don't really think either of those reads is believable. I'm not convinced it's a S-S interaction since one of them as scum could be doing it for WIFOM on a townie (Eddie in particular looks more guilty of this than SBF), but it's definitely weird.

I was getting the same thing too. And if Eddie flips scum I kinda think that clears SBF by the way he keeps saying this, and how he'd blacklist anyone who lynches her etc.

I really don't think he does that to a partner, but I've never seen him play so IDK for sure.

[Fro99er]

I'd policy lynch Eddie Cane right now in all honesty I hate quitters, but if you don't I'm cool to flip any of tttt/gl/frogger/ss.

I'd rather not the latter.

Can you clarify this?

Also if you're not feeling the game you should probably replace out. Advocating your own lynch is rarely pro-town.

I scumread you less than the other 3 now. this is a bit of a change from d1 but the other 3 are more likely to flip scum now imo. last time I posted reasons they were called fake so might as well leave that naked.

Why do you scumread SS less now than you did before?

[Fro99er]

Spoiler: News from GL

if anybody lynches sbf at any point I'm putting them on my blacklist though, sbf is painfully obvious Town.

Frownie face at the buddying. Now stop feeling sorry for yourself and get your butt back in the game!

And this is what defending looks like: go read 988. That's called Town synergy, and an emotionally positive response at seeing it. Hard to fake. My feelings about Eddie's play this game tells me that he is not scum faking. Eddie is Town.

And this is what chainsawing looks like: scum absolutely want to break up the Town synergy that Eddie and I have going at the moment. Eddie is a low-hanging fruit. Pushing Eddie here is fundamentally scum motivated and even a cursory glance at the gamestate will trumpet this aloud. GL's scumread of Eddie is b a l o n e y.

Maybe it was my time on VLA, but I still don't know why you're townreading Eddie. What are the reasons again? Aside from this town synergy stuff?

[Fro99er]

I am curious about this mystery 4T case that looks bogus. Please point me to it. Notice the difference between my prodges and yours? Content. My TR on you is not invincible. Don't test it.

I actually think this is pretty town.

That's legit frustration at Lowell saying the 4T case is bogus but then not actually doing anything to show why.

[Fro99er]

SBF -- is your Eddie town read invincible?

Because you just frown face at the buddying by Eddie then move on. It didn't feel like you were actually annoyed with the buddying by Eddie, but the Lowell frustration seems legit.

[Fro99er]

Goddam it, prodded.

The TTTT case looks bogus. And I'm not just saying that because he townreads me. Or maybe I am. Shit. Either way, not buying.

Also the eddie case does nothing for me.

I swear on all that is holy that eventually I will show up with a real case instead of hating on other peoples' cases. But that day is not today.

VOTE: frogger

Let's try this.

I don't really understand if he's calling my tttt case bad or scum!TTTT as a whole. There's little tangible content here."this is bad, this is bad, *votes someone unrelated*" it's not like some awful scumslip but definitely not an amazing post

Looks like you know you're getting lynched and you're looking for a reason to scumread Lowell.

[Fro99er]

Goddam it, prodded.

The TTTT case looks bogus. And I'm not just saying that because he townreads me. Or maybe I am. Shit. Either way, not buying.

Also the eddie case does nothing for me.

I swear on all that is holy that eventually I will show up with a real case instead of hating on other peoples' cases. But that day is not today.

VOTE: frogger

Let's try this.

I don't really understand if he's calling my tttt case bad or scum!TTTT as a whole. There's little tangible content here."this is bad, this is bad, *votes someone unrelated*" it's not like some awful scumslip but definitely not an amazing post

There's no attempt here to sort Lowell. Just saying it's meh. Why not push Lowell on aspects of his post that you didn't like? There's zero effort here to engage Lowell other than say "this post was meh"

[Fro99er]

Let's powerwagon someone.

says the guy who just vote parks on me and makes no effort to actually get town to lynch me.

[Fro99er]

@GL - I'll review Eddie's ISO after my econ final on Tuesday. I had a prior TR on him and liked his interactions with the Bella wagon but I can see what you're saying with the above quotes to an extent.

What did you like about his interaction with the Bella wagon?

[Fro99er]

Alright, I'm caught up

VOTE: Eddie

back to L-1

[Fro99er]

he asked me a question Mr incredible, should I lie and invent a stance on his post

where did he ask you a question?

[Fro99er]

he asked me a question Mr incredible, should I lie and invent a stance on his post

where did he ask you a question?

[Fro99er]

Putting Eddie to L-1 there is kinda ugly.

Why?

I've basically scumread him all game.

[Fro99er]

Goddam it, prodded.

The TTTT case looks bogus. And I'm not just saying that because he townreads me. Or maybe I am. Shit. Either way, not buying.

Also the eddie case does nothing for me.

I swear on all that is holy that eventually I will show up with a real case instead of hating on other peoples' cases. But that day is not today.

VOTE: frogger

Let's try this.

I don't really understand if he's calling my tttt case bad or scum!TTTT as a whole. There's little tangible content here."this is bad, this is bad, *votes someone unrelated*" it's not like some awful scumslip but definitely not an amazing post

Looks like you know you're getting lynched and you're looking for a reason to scumread Lowell.

he asked me a question Mr incredible, should I lie and invent a stance on his post

I was asking where Lowell asked you a question, because that's who you quoted. Not SS.

[Fro99er]

Frogger/Eddie's argument above is dumb. Eddie was referring to me when he said "he asked me a question" but Frogger thought he was referring to Lowell (possibly because of the pronouns). Please stop fighting you're both town.

I get we misunderstood, but I hate this line of thinking about "we're both town"

You can't be that sure of it. I literally see zero about eddie's case on me that rings as genuine (anyone who scumreads me on "odd patterns of activity" is seriously reaching for reasons)

And his Lowell posturing comes of as pure scum motivation.

[Fro99er]

I thought his hammer and posts around it were decent and expressed sentiments I also felt. His level of engagement seemed fine given Bella's absence.

Explain the engagement. Why is the level of engagement town?

Was it because he's posting, or just interacting with people? Interacting with people and posting enough doesn't make one town.

[Fro99er]

SS can you answer my questions

[Fro99er]

I'm generally trying to figure out why we have two wagons but neither of the wagonees are voting their CW. It makes me think that at least one of them is definitely scum, but I'm having a hard time thinking that it would point to a {SS, Eddie} team.

I don't think it's too weird for SS to not be voting Eddie, considering it would be a hammer.

I do think it's odd Eddie is voteparking on me.

[Fro99er]

Your recent posting pushed you to my primary scumread

What exactly about GL's posting pushed him to your primary scum read?

[Fro99er]

VOTE: frogger

I think this was a bus, setting up a D3 mislynch. Frogger seems like the bussing type.

This isn't even an actual reason.

Why do you think it was a bus. What specifically about it? I want you to point out specific reasons.

This is just a made up reason with no actual reason to scumread me.

[Fro99er]

Given SBF and Eddie's buddying I can definitely see them as partners. The hammer makes sense from scum (I want my partner dead today so there's no risk of lynching them tomorrow) but seems like a risky play. Also the initial interactions with Eddie seemed hard to fake so I'm conflicted.

SBF is actually my top townread now.

I really don't think that's a hammer from scum because it calls so much attention to itself. Plus the interactions I pointed out yesterday between them that made me believe they aren't scum together.

also so now SBF and Eddie have eachother both as "utterly" or "painfully" "obvious" town. I don't really think either of those reads is believable. I'm not convinced it's a S-S interaction since one of them as scum could be doing it for WIFOM on a townie (Eddie in particular looks more guilty of this than SBF), but it's definitely weird.

I was getting the same thing too. And if Eddie flips scum I kinda think that clears SBF by the way he keeps saying this, and how he'd blacklist anyone who lynches her etc.

I really don't think he does that to a partner, but I've never seen him play so IDK for sure.

Eddie was most likely WKing SBF because that was his main ally, rather than going way overboard on calling his scumbuddy painfully obviously town over and over. I have a very hard time believing both SBF and Eddie would call attention to themselves as a team like this.

[Fro99er]

Lowell seems the scummiest. He's been providing not a ton of content, coasting on SBF and Eddie's TRs of him, and dodging questions all game. He and Eddie were also hard TRing each other without really giving reasons which looks scum to me.

I actually thought Eddie's posturing on Lowell D1 could have been a possible attempt to move toward a bus of Lowell on D1 or 2 (forget which day it was), when it appeared Lowell might be the lynch.

[Fro99er]

we literally have no choice but to lynch bella now after Lowell's jump off that wagon.

Spoiler:

1. TTTT - would vote
2. GuiltyLion - yep
3. SweetBlueFlowers - nope
4. Sobolev Space - meh, I guess not
5. Eddie Cane - yes, if I have to
6. Lowell - nope
7. Fro99er - yep
8. Bellaphant - yep
9. borkjerfkin - nope

Just now seeing deadline. I'll make time to be on tonight to cast my vote before I leave.

Yeah I do that sometimes.

You want a frogger wagon? Let's do it.

VOTE: frogger

tell me WHY you'd voter frogger. you've talked about gl extensively and at least touched on bella. you're just fosing frogger with no given reason.

I just have a bad vibe there. Wish I had something more concrete to tell you. He just has that "I'm going to lead the town down my path through powerposting" scumvibe.

YET NOBODY BUT ME WANTS TO VOTE EDDIE DESPITE HIS MOST FAKE ASS READ EVER

we can talk about Eddie later
it's time to lynch Bella.

Actually TTTT could be the scumbuddy.

[Fro99er]

if this flips scum and I die tn I'd lynch ss tomorrow

What if you don't die tonight?

Like I'm kinda getting his feeling you just tacked on the conditional "if I die tonight" to look townie.
Why is that necessary?

actually maybe not

this is almost certainly not scum-scum

[Fro99er]

I don't buddy my buddies. This is lazy reasoning.

Offhand SS looks slightly better by GL being dead. I had been hammering both as scumsuspects yesterday so GL's NK wouldn't make much sense from scum-SS POV.

Oh come on, you don't really believe this? You were hammering me too, but somehow you think I bussed Eddie and killed GL to make SS look better?

VOTE: Lowell

[Fro99er]

scum-scum typically won't call each other out on something like LAMIST. They'll typically try to invent real reasons to scumread their buddy rather than "why are you trying to towntell"

[Fro99er]

SS talk to me about SBF. I disagree with you...why don't you care to comment back to me about it?

[Fro99er]

prodge...feeding some underprivileged kids today...will post tonight

[Fro99er]

what'd you feed those hungry kids?

chicken, pasta, and fruit

[Fro99er]

Putting me as his top TR without explanation

Bullshit, I explained it.

[Fro99er]

Bold is mine. I don't see scum calling their partner "obvious Town." Usually there's at least a little hedge there.

That's what I've been saying all the last two days. I don't see any way SBF is scum with Eddie because their interactions are far too blatant to be scum-scum

[Fro99er]

Lowell you were scum reading me pretty hard yesterday. What changed your mind? Was it just the GL nightkill?

Mostly, yes. Plus I noticed SBF's constant "If eddie is scum and GL is town, SS must be scum" that he'sbeen repeating over and over. Makes the case on you look like a set-up.

So you're saying SBF is setting up SS?

don't buy it

This just after you said SBF is town for saying eddie was obvious town.

[Fro99er]

Lowell's trying to have it both ways with SBF

Saying SBF is town for interactions with eddie, and saying SBF is scum for SBF saying if eddie is scum and GL is town then SS must be scum.

Lowell which read do you believe more?

[Fro99er]

VOTE: TTTT

I think I'm here by process of elimination. Frogger's ISO v eddie is pretty strong. A part of me wants to say they had some sort of conversation like this in their thread: "okay so we survive D1, I bus the shit out of you D2, then I'll be in the clear for the all-important D3, then I'll win in LYLO." But another part of me thinks that's reaching.

I was scumreading Eddie D1...remember the whole self-WIFOM thing he called me out for?

Yep...scumtell worked AGAIN

[Fro99er]

Lowell you were scum reading me pretty hard yesterday. What changed your mind? Was it just the GL nightkill?

Mostly, yes. Plus I noticed SBF's constant "If eddie is scum and GL is town, SS must be scum" that he'sbeen repeating over and over. Makes the case on you look like a set-up.

So you're saying SBF is setting up SS?

don't buy it

This just after you said SBF is town for saying eddie was obvious town.

Let's not have SS hammer before Lowell answers this

UNVOTE:

[Fro99er]

^*SS hammer Lowell

since we're at 2v2 with SS left to vote

[Fro99er]

Wait I misread that. TTTT is voting SS, but Lowell is voting TTTT so it's 2 v 1 v 1

[Fro99er]

Can you reply to my Qs

[Fro99er]

So you asked permission to lolhammer SS, but don't even believe SS is scum?

[Fro99er]

Someone tell me why SS would kill GL?

Ok, this is your reason.

I don't buddy my buddies. This is lazy reasoning.

Offhand SS looks slightly better by GL being dead. I had been hammering both as scumsuspects yesterday so GL's NK wouldn't make much sense from scum-SS POV.

But SBF was also hard scumreading GL and TTTT. So by this exact same logic that also clears TTTT as town in your eyes.

but you're voting TTTT.

[Fro99er]

Why would TTTT kill GL if SBF was hard pushing both of them?

[Fro99er]

Exact same logic to your SS/GL reasoning.

It makes no sense.

You should be voting me or SBF if that's your reasoning, because it should apply to both TTTT and SS.

[Fro99er]

I guess I did. Good point.

Let's vote TTTT instead.

Ew.

No I'm not jumping on this. Why is TTTT different from SS in NK analysis?

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Oh you meant pushing GL and TTTT. Nevermind then. Hold on.

I'm saying

You = pushed SS and GL
SBF = pushed TTTT and GL

now that GL is dead, why does that make SS look better but not TTTT?

[Fro99er]

VC 3.2

Lowell

(2): Fro99er 1211, SweetBlueFlowers 1234

TTTT

(1): Lowell 1232

Not Voting

(2): Sobolev Space, TTTT

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.
D3 will end Friday, March 31/17 at 8:30pm, or in (expired on 2017-03-31 16:30:00).

Mod Notes:
Lowell is V/LA until Tuesday

OK then

VOTE: Sobolev Space
almost a coin flip between SS and Lowell
but I'm going with my early Lowell TR

Lowell you were scum reading me pretty hard yesterday. What changed your mind? Was it just the GL nightkill?

Mostly, yes. Plus I noticed SBF's constant "If eddie is scum and GL is town, SS must be scum" that he'sbeen repeating over and over. Makes the case on you look like a set-up.

So you're saying SBF is setting up SS?

don't buy it

This just after you said SBF is town for saying eddie was obvious town.

Let's not have SS hammer before Lowell answers this

UNVOTE:

Cool. Since its no longer a hammer:

VOTE: Lowell

VOTE: Space

[Fro99er]

whoops...was trying to preview so I could edit in a non-official votecount

[Fro99er]

Unofficial

Lowell (1): Sobolev Space
TTTT (1): Lowell
Sobolev Space (2): TTTT, SweetBlueFlowers

Not Voting (1): Fro99er

[Fro99er]

^^^ yah this is what I mean

So, maybe that describes frogger?

Don't self-hammer SS, I've decided it's not you and that'll leave me alive at LYLO which is terrible. Let's get this right today.

How does this describe me?

I was scumreading Eddie day 1

[Fro99er]

Lowell's push on TTTT is pretty gross considering the reason he's townreading SS is the same reason that he should be townreading TTTT

If he's town, how does he not even consider that SS could be scum, given that's his main reason, yet he's ok calling TTTT scum?

[Fro99er]

Hmm. I don't really have enough experience to verify that but it seems plausible. TTTTs catch up posts will probably affect my read on him the most.

Where do you stand on TTTT now?

[Fro99er]

@Lowell - I'm willing to work with you to an extent but my reads today are all over the place. Looking back I'm pretty sure TTTT is town however. Who else do you think could be scum?

ah, here...

what about the catchup makes him town?

[Fro99er]

I feel like today scum!Lowell would probably just try to push me instead of going for all these other random lynches.

So why not try to figure that out instead of just voting him when I unvoted Lowell?

[Fro99er]

VOTE: Lowell

[Fro99er]

I was scum.

I didn't even play that well, but oh well. A win is a win.

Eddie and I didn't exactly get along this game ... you'll see in the scum thread.

Mod I approve releasing the scum thread, no redactions

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That said, we worked through our differences eventually by the end of N1

GG eddie! Sorry for bussing you all game. You just did my scumtell, and I'm not gonna let that one by based off my meta. Scumtell was 2 for 2 (got edddie, townfirmed GL (even though I already knew GL was town))

[Fro99er]

I probably should have prepped you pregame for the scumtell...but I can't remember if I was around for pregame

Also, thanks for modding Ari.

GREAT PLAYER LIST -- zero replace outs is fantastic.

[Fro99er]

I normally wouldn't post pre-flip but honestly I think everyone's on the same page that this is over w/ a scum win considering Eddie is posting

5 years later and I am still an absolutely shit scumhunter. This was definitely one of the best scum teams I've played against, even if you guys don't think you did that well.

thanks bork

I tried to show the right amount of paranoia D1, and play to my town meta where appropriate. I think D1 bought me some cred, then d2 eddie lynch got me just enough cred.

Mostly played like crap I still think though. Enjoyed playing with you though..you were really obvtown and enjoyable to play with.

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Thanks GL. Enjoyed the game. You were really obvtown, which is why i had to kill you

[Fro99er]

TTTT, I will caution you to watch that replace out bit from the standpoint of it being a trust tell (not accusing you of it now)

But if it becomes a pattern you only do as town, that's against the spirit of the game, and also site rules.

I don't think you're there yet though, but it did kinda suck as scum to have to deal with people auto townreading you for it

[Fro99er]

uuuuuuuhm dead people can't post in ongoing games

game is not ongoing

[Fro99er]

TTTT, I will caution you to watch that replace out bit from the standpoint of it being a trust tell (not accusing you of it now)

But if it becomes a pattern you only do as town, that's against the spirit of the game, and also site rules.

you are cautioning me about developing a trust tell based on one instance?

L
O
L

I have 10 completed games on site with one replace out
and that replace out was in that abortion of a game that James3 modded
literally by the end of the game every single slot had been replaced at least once
6/10 completed games I replaced

into

trust tell?
lmfao

You are quite sensitive if you think that. I just said be careful if you only do it as town.

It also destroys the integrity of the game, because it made everyone insta-town read you thinking you wouldn't make that kind of dick move as town.

But you know, I just try to offer helpful advice and you get all "lmfao" on me, then fine. Shows you really don't care.

[Fro99er]

okay

but tttr

you were very likely going to get mislynched otherwise. instead you became basically conf town due to your replacement. "my reads are bad sub me out" "oh nvm he's scum let me back in" is really b.s. for the scum team to have to deal with. nobody thinks you did it on purpose but it's just a warning that you really shouldn't do things like that in the future.

it's basically what SBF said -- it's a blatantly malicious thing to do as scum (since in that case it would have been calculated), ergo rather than believe you're willing to sink that low, she had no choice but to assume you were town

what they said

[Fro99er]

Scum and dead PTs are public, so I'll link them at pagetop with the Achievements (which I toootally kept track of as we went...) when I'm at an actual computer later. I they should show up in "Private Topics" now though

well considering the scum and dead PTs are released publicly, I'm pretty sure the dead can talk in here.