Micro 914: CultD3 (Over)

[Not A Korina Alt]

HI GUYS I'M TOTALLY NOT KORINA PLAYING UNDER AN ALT
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOU'D THINK THAT AT ALL
THAT'D BE TOTALLY ABSURD IF THAT WAS THE CASE, AMIRITE?
WELL I'M GLAD THAT'S TOTALLY NOT WHAT IT IS, HAHA

[Not A Korina Alt]

VOTE: no lynch

Hi yes, even though I'm totally not the creator of the setup, I can tell you your gimmick doesn't work. Y'see, not me totally specified "no-lynch" not "no lynch", therefore you can be lynched, sorry about that.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Real question; so we HAVE to lynch the cult leader right? Otherwise scum keep cropping up?

Ok, I created this setup, so I know it better than anyone else: Yes and no. Cult can only have three living cultists at any time, so if they recruit tonight, they can't recruit unless we lynch a cultist. Ideally, we'd lynch the cult leader today, but as the maiden voyage demonstrated, it's possible for scum to still win with a cult lynch d1, and the leader being found early.

Kanna's new, and sh0s is a main unless he has something he'd like to tell me???

Does anyone have any theories for who Not A Korina Alt could be?

Uh, totally not Korina?? Like, that's what the name says.

Hello there!

I see that salamence really wanted a rematch, lol. Good luck with that!

Also kerset you betrayed me i wished i could bribe you into giving me a nice ability but instead this is the very first time, in all of my mafia career, that i rolled VT. Even before joining this site, i always rolled PR, 3p or scum.

Don't worry. I can recruit you, so you can be cultist, instead of that horrible VT role! Are you interested?

(I claim Cult Leader. Any CCs?)

Yes. I totally am cult leader, and totally not Korina.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, hot take, we powerlynch Bingle today. No questions asked.

[Not A Korina Alt]

@mod v/la weekends

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also why tf was Fark at L-2 already?

[Not A Korina Alt]

Shos, are you saying you didn't realize that I'm Korina?

[Not A Korina Alt]

Because that's what I'm hearing, and I don't know how I feel about that.

[Not A Korina Alt]

@fark Because the L-2 happened before page 3.

pedit: I have no idea what you're saying shos.

[Not A Korina Alt]

@fark Because the L-2 happened before page 3.

And why is that relevant? No lynch reached L-1 during page 3. What do you make of that?

That there's likely one scum on each of the wagons. The fact nobody really got to L-1 makes me think both scum were on either you or NL, or split, like I said. I wanted to RVS NL since the start for the reason of him making a shitty joke about no-lynch not being an option.

THIS IS ACCEPTABLE

Kanna's a very slight townlean so far. Poyzin's entrance seems to be NAI for

reasons

, but I WANNA HEAR MORE FROM YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE AMAZING, POYZIN

I haven't liked what "Korina" chose to comment on when there were other more interesting things, but I agree his tone is very different to last time I played with him where he actually rolled cult

Bingle... i need to see more

SH0S

VOTE: sh0s

I commented on what I felt I needed to. Everything else was unimportant to me. Also, I still wanna powerlynch Bingle. Bingle shouldn't be allowed to survive to MyLo IMO.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Fark is also town btw. I'm calling it now.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Ok, before I reply to other things:

1) I haven't checked MS at all since I last posted. I've been busy with other things, and I don't have any ADHD medication, so my ability to effort/focus is zero.

2)

I'd like to hear what korina has to say about it, being the best expert in cult -and this particular setup- here

I don't think that Korina is in the playerpool.

BITCH, READ MY NAME AND READ MY FIRST POST

HI GUYS I'M TOTALLY NOT KORINA PLAYING UNDER AN ALT
I HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOU'D THINK THAT AT ALL
THAT'D BE TOTALLY ABSURD IF THAT WAS THE CASE, AMIRITE?
WELL I'M GLAD THAT'S TOTALLY NOT WHAT IT IS, HAHA

LITERALLY IT'S OBVIOUS THAT I'M KORINA

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, claiming UT is horrible and anyone who does should feel bad

[Not A Korina Alt]

The power of the UT is to prevent cult from recruiting for a night

because the cult doesn't know they're unrecruitable

. By claiming this early on "I'm not UT" you're painting a target on your back for cult. Cult knows you're not UT, therefore you're cultable.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Yes, having an IC by having them claim out is good, but it should not be a D1 massclaim thing. D2/D3, when we're guaranteed to have three cult? Yes, that's fine then. We'd need them to claim out. Additionally, yes, scum will not CC UT claims. It's suicide for them. Literally everything CCs UT.

[Not A Korina Alt]

If you're UT, you should be a town leader, and try to bait out the recruitment. You have nothing to fear, you can't die, therefore you lead. You should not ever claim UT D1, unless you're about to be lynched. I need to think about what Bingle suggesting we all claim UT/Not UT, and if it's townie or not.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Anyways, other posts:

That there's likely one scum on each of the wagons. The fact nobody really got to L-1 makes me think both scum were on either you or NL, or split, like I said. I wanted to RVS NL since the start for the reason of him making a shitty joke about no-lynch not being an option.

you think scum are more likely to put someone on L-1?

NOT FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC, KORINA??????

Also, I still wanna powerlynch Bingle. Bingle shouldn't be allowed to survive to MyLo IMO.

EXPAND

1) If no scum are on them, yea.
2) Read the last iteration of this game. Bingle replaced into a culted slot and won. He shouldn't have won.

Fark is also town btw. I'm calling it now.

Why is this?

Reasons.

but I WANNA HEAR MORE FROM YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE AMAZING, POYZIN

Awww, you've inspired me! I'd recommend getting a better keyboard though so you don't accidentally hit the caps lock button as many times as you have. I'm getting shady vibes from "no lynch" the player, and the cult leader claim out of the gate left me with a bad taste in my mouth. I mean, it obviously was a joke because you don't simply claim to be the leader of the anti-town faction. ...but that's the thing... For some reason I'm feeling that this was just a really risky scum play, to say that to appear as town by making such a blatantly false joke.

Somebody please talk some sense into me because this is definitely unreasonable... right?

I have mixed feelings on this post. This post feels townie, on a surface level, but past that, I'm unsure what to make of it?

Bingle, what's your updated opinion on shos and poyzin?

I choose not to think about them.

Not Korina, why are you not complaining about not being scum?

I think it’s vaguely for the best if UTs claim D1. If we have a UT massclaim our EV shoots way up and there’s nothing scum can do to stop it. OTOH, if scum claims UT they will be found by any other or claim and both cultists have to claim.

NO, THIS IS BAD. ALREADY EXPLAINED WHY.

I think it’s vaguely for the best if UTs claim D1. If we have a UT massclaim our EV shoots way up and there’s nothing scum can do to stop it. OTOH, if scum claims UT they will be found by any other or claim and both cultists have to claim.

Not UT

Is that so scum can't claim UT in the future after recruiting other town PRs?

BRILLIANT.

Unkillable ICs would be nice to have honestly. But does the roleblocker work on unrecruitables?

Unrecruitable is a passive. They don't actively submit an action saying "I wish to be unrecruitable tonight," they just are. A roleblocker targeting them wastes the night. If you meant rolestopper, obviously. They take priority over everything else.

Wait I think Bingle’s idea could potentially work because we’ll either get
> 2 confirmed town
> a counterclaim because there are other PRs
> nothing if in other setups, but we didn’t lose anything

We do lose a lot if we're not in C1 or C3. The cult automatically learn there are no UTs, and if we're in an A/C setup, they can automatically narrow down the setup even more. Additionally, we lose the biggest power of the UTs: Causing cult to lose a night. IC is very useful and all, but that doesn't help stop the cult from growing. The hidden UT does. While yes, cult are limited to three living cultists, but cult failing to recruit buys us an extra day, delaying MyLo situations.

I'd like to hear what korina has to say about it, being the best expert in cult -and the creator- here

FTFY

Not Korina, why are you not complaining about not being scum?

Still want that answer.

I DIDN'T ROLL CULT, FUCK MY LIFE. I HATE EVERYTHING. That better? I also have zero motivation to push that joke atm, and the fact I'm playing under an alt. If I was playing under Korina, I would complain, but I'm not. Instead, the joke of "I'm clearly not Korina playing under an alt you guys!" takes precedence over "I didn't roll cult!"

Updated readlist:

TOWN
Kanna
Hectic
Bingle
Shos
Korina
Salamence
Nolynch
Poyzin
SCUM

Moved Hectic, Bingle and Shos up for what looked like genuine setup spec. Setup spec by itself usually comes from town, debating on which is the best strategy is almost always TvT. I still like kanna the most.

Moved Salamence down for not contributing enough.

My current guess is that nolynch, poyzin or both can be used as solid wagon solves for today. The read on no lynch is mostly gut/tone based at this point, i... was pinged the wrong way by his interaction with the UTs argument. Poyzin on the other hand just looks like scum trying to skirt the gamestate until he can prey on a real wagon, i don't like that at all.

Waiting for korina.

I don't like this readlist at all. Mostly due to Bingle.

[Not A Korina Alt]

VOTE: no lynch

This is fucking scum, and I want it dead. He has one town read, one town lean, one null and everyone else is scum. I want this slot dead now.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, like, it's so fucking obvious that I'm actually Korina, that them playing it off like I'm somehow not Korina is very questionable.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, no lynch, I designed this setup. I'm the creator. Ofc I'm going to discuss mechanics in a setup

I made

.

Fark, Kanna are both town.
I want Bingle dead for personal reasons.
No lynch is scum based on their readlist. If they're somehow town, they deserve it IMO.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Spoiler:

@korina

What else don't you like besides bingle being third place?

Also, on a first glance (with zero experience for this setup) i would think that you're wrong when saying that a non-UT claim paints a target on your back, and it does not surpass the benefit of having town ICs, but apparently there are no UTs so it makes no real difference right now.

That Bingle is up there. Probably past d1 I'll calm down on wanting to lynch Bingle, but for rn, I want Bingle dead because of the last time this was played.

I think we should move out of the setup spec. Anyone who hasn't already claimed not UT should do so now, otherwise, I'm seeing any UT claims on day 2 onward as scumclaims.

btw if anyone is a UT they should claim non-UT too, imo

No, this is bad, and you should feel bad.

BITCH, READ MY NAME AND READ MY FIRST POST

I wonder, where did you get the impression, that I am a female dog?

This post is helpful how?

Cult missing a recruit isn't really a big deal to them. They win the long game anyway. And let's be clear here: If we don't lynch cult today, tomorrow is LYLO.

No, it's not. 5v3 tomorrow. We mislynch, it's a 4v3. Cult can't recruit past three.

The power of the UT is to prevent cult from recruiting for a night because the cult doesn't know they're unrecruitable. By claiming this early on "I'm not UT" you're painting a target on your back for cult. Cult knows you're not UT, therefore you're cultable.

LMAO. Which one of us made a balanced cult setup again?

I never claimed this was meant to be balanced? It was designed because chenn said "this is newd3, not cultd3."

No lynch is townlean, everyone else is lynchable.

This is a fucking shit readlist, and you should feel bad.

Since Farkran is pushing me, I guess it's time to dive into people's ISOs and find if I can find something.

> since I'm being pushed, I should post content

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS TOWNIE

I missed shos. I know.
@shos, are you doing/ was doing a gambit you might want to reveal?

SAME WITH THIS POST

Also, but don't you guys think the cult leader is probably trying to seem townie rn? Lurker/not advancing conversation more likely cultists

That's what the cult leader should optimally do. Cultists optimally would want to draw the lynch onto themselves/others, but not the cult leader.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I know I'm pissed off rn for reasons unrelated to the game, and that probably is affecting my judgement, but jfc, I want no lynch dead.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Nolly, does "Not Townread" equate to Null?

Korina, why do you consider it scummy for someone to not call you Korina? As far as I can tell, people were playing along with your gimmick of obviously not being Korina.

At this point, I have no idea. I'm pissed off for reasons unrelated to the game, and that's affecting my judgement. Ask again in like 12 hours.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Kanna, perhaps it's time you post a readlist

{me, fark, kanna} - town
{hectic} - town lean
{all others} - null
{shos} - scum lean
{nolynch} - scum

Also, I thought about it, and it's actually better for UTs to claim on second thought. At this point, it's irrelevant, but, I do agree with UTs claiming D1. My knee-jerk reaction is that it's bad though.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I JUST FUCKING REALIZED IT SAID KANNA, NOT KORINA
AAAAAA

[Not A Korina Alt]

I mean, I'm wanting you dead for it this game because I'm not cult, and any lynch outside of me is currently good fmpov. Looking at it, if you can pull it off in that game, you can pull it off here, and I currently don't wanna deal with that bullshit.
I'm also angry about the fact I was unrecruitable in that game too, yea.

pedit: I mean, that came after a lot of thinking, and I'm currently still mad about other things, and even more angry since you reminded me about

that

game.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I'm currently having to think about shos, because I feel like that slot is very easy to scumread as town, and I don't remember why I think that.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, I'm about to get off for the night before I start cursing some more and/or get banned for it.

[Not A Korina Alt]

So let me get this straight No Lynch: I'm scum for RVSing you, forgetting I haven't changed my vote and re-voting you because I believe you're scum? That makes perfect sense!
Die.

My vote isn't changing.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I think no lynch is town (or at least not CL) because he clearly doesn't give a shit what people think about him. It's the same reason Hectic is probably cult. He cares too much what people think of him, or at least that's what his behavior looks like to me. I will acknowledge that I am a decent paranoia lynch, but that that makes me a better lynch later game when I'm likely to have been recruited, not least because I have enough strategic prowess that even assuming I'll be lynched on D2 I'd still be a solid addition to a cult team.

Bingle, you have the names mixed up. No Lynch does give a fuck about what others think, mostly because of this post:

Since Farkran is pushing me, I guess it's time to dive into people's ISOs and find if I can find something.

Hectic OTOH doesn't give a fuck.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, I'm about to get off for the night before I start cursing some more and/or get banned for it.

Lul, people get away with far worse.

Let me know why you townread Kanna when you have the time.

Would also like to hear why Korina TRs me

Mostly tone; content is a different story altogether. I could see a world where Kanna flips CL; however, I personally don't feel it's worthwhile to pursue it right now. I'd rather hound them down about it later, and start tracking it now, if that makes sense.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Yea, the personal reasons for voting are for Bingle. No Lynch I want dead because they were scummy when I was pissed off and reading the game, and now that I've calmed down, they're still scummy as fuck. Even more so now that I look at it, because of wonderful posts such as the following:

Spoiler:

Not_Cult Leader probably wants to instant hammer L-1 towns, right?

intent to put Farkran on L-1

Which means, that I can pressure

two

people at once.
VOTE: shos

BITCH, READ MY NAME AND READ MY FIRST POST

I wonder, where did you get the impression, that I am a female dog?

My reading is based on how much people are moving the conversation forward. That's why I simply don't have any reads early in the game. Since Farkran is pushing me, I guess it's time to dive into people's ISOs and find if I can find something.

- sniped the entire readlist; just go to the post if you wanna see his readlist of one townread, one townlean, and the rest scumreads-

I missed shos. I know.
@shos, are you doing/ was doing a gambit you might want to reveal?

*steals pagetop from the mod*

I missed shos. I know.
@shos, are you doing/ was doing a gambit you might want to reveal?

What does this mean?

I admitted that I didn't publish my read on shos yet and asked him a question.

Nolly, does "Not Townread" equate to Null?

Yes. I am good in doing townreads, so I just do townreads and then lynch scum via POE.

BITCH, READ MY NAME AND READ MY FIRST POST

I wonder, where did you get the impression, that I am a female dog?

This post is helpful how?

For certain reason you though I am samehow related to canines. Chances are, that you think that I am a different player who is someonehow related to canines. No of my alt is related to them but that misunderstanding could influence your reads on me. It's better to ask than then watch you scumread me because my play is off meta of a random player.

I missed shos. I know.
@shos, are you doing/

was doing a gambit you might want to reveal?

What does this mean?

I admitted that I didn't publish my read on shos yet and asked him a question.

very funny. But you know what I meant was what gave you the idea shos was gambiting?/why did you say this?

He doublevoted me. I was never L-1. If he did it intentionally, that would be a very towny behaviour, because he could catch cult member that way (I would get "hmmered") or find out that either a cult memebr is alrady on my wagoon or I am Cult Leader (I wasn't hammered).
He probably didn't do it intentionally, but since I wasn't put to L-1 and am town, one of people who voted me {Kanna, Not A Korina Alt, shos} is likely a cult memeber. Furthermore, I don't think that Cult Leader would want to be with the same wagoon as his Cult Member early game, which means that all of them are likely not Cult Leader.
Together with my reads, I believe that Cult Leader is in {Salamance, Poyzin, (Bingle)}.

@Nolynch are you willing to vote poyzin with me? I really don't like those kind of prodges

VOTE: poyzin

[Not A Korina Alt]

I will gladly case No lynch later, but not atm. Most likely Monday.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, like, I want no lynch dead because their slot is blatently scummy IMO, and if they're town, they're very likely to be mislynched or force people to actively watch them, allowing cult to recruit others with no consequences.

[Not A Korina Alt]

So let me get this straight No Lynch: I'm scum for RVSing you, forgetting I haven't changed my vote and re-voting you because I believe you're scum? That makes perfect sense!
Die.

My vote isn't changing.

You need to improve your eyeQ.
You are 33% scum just for RVSing me.

THE FUCK IS THIS LOGIC?
I AM SCUM FOR RANDOMLY VOTING YOU?
THAT MAKES SENSE IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD?

[Not A Korina Alt]

If you do not see why I am scumreading No Lynch following that post, you are 100% cult in my eyes. I am apparently scum for

randomly voting him at the start of the game.

Like cult would plan in their PT "Hey, I'm gonna RVS this guy and then go into actually hardcore scumreading them"

[Not A Korina Alt]

Ok, I'm going to try to explain this like you're five years old, since you don't understand this:

BEING ON L-1 DOES NOT EQUATE TO HAVING SCUM ON YOUR WAGON FOR A FACT. YOU CAN HAVE AN ALL-TOWN WAGON, OR A WAGON WITH SCUM BEING THE HAMMER VOTE. JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE ON L-1 AND NOT HAMMERED MEANS JACKSHIT.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Scum could've not been on for example. One scum could've been on, and realized it wasn't L-1. Both scum could've been on, but decided against it because it makes both of them obvious, etc.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Which, tf is your logic about not being hammered? If someone randomly hammers, they die tomorrow. Especially if there's a quickhammer, or something that looks like it.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Why the fuck would cult wanna try to risk something like that? Actually, don't answer: They wouldn't.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Ok, Fark, you clearly missed my etc.

[Not A Korina Alt]

And you're reading way too much into the post.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I said scum could've

not

been on the wagon, and I included an etc. You saying I failed to include a scenario is NAI. It's how I think and process these scenarios. It's not a scumslip, it's not a townslip, it's NAI. It's simply how I think. When I went through to think of the scenarios, I just said a wagon in general. I didn't think of any specific alignment when writing it. Kindly please stop reading too much between the lines and try to pull bullshit where there exists none.

[Not A Korina Alt]

If you wanna see Scum!Me, look at Newbie 1949. If you wanna know what I know to be Scum!Me, ask.

[Not A Korina Alt]

If I'm CL, not playing hyper-aggressive like I am atm. Player hyper-aggressive is bad for CL!Me, because if I push a lynch on a townie, I'm the one getting checked tonight. I could bus my teammate, but that'd be risky—especially if it's an A/B setup, and not a C setup—and I'd rather not do it on D1. I'd prefer D2 after I get a recruitment. CL!Me is looking to survive tonight at least so I can hopefully recruit a PR. Additionally, I'd be perfectly fine with outting UTs D1, because if someone claims UT, guess what? I don't target them.
If I'm Town or not CL, I play similarly to how I am right now. Cult!Me wants UT to out, Town!Me doesn't want UT to out, but is ultimately ok with it. Ultimately, my play is to try to act as townie as possible to get recruited if I'm town, and if I'm cult to be the designated D2/D3 lynch with the CL pushing me for the free towncred under the guise of "Oh, clearly he must have been recruited!"

[Not A Korina Alt]

Which, tf is your logic about not being hammered? If someone randomly hammers, they die tomorrow. Especially if there's a quickhammer, or something that looks like it.

Which is a win-win for cultist.

This is only the case if it's not an A/B column, and the C column. Especially if it's Cult Roleblocker, because if they figure out who the Rolestopper is, cult can guarantee recruitments. If it's CL + Cultist, they can lose the Cultist.

Also, I'm a guy, not a girl. Please use the proper pronouns, ty.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Ebwop

If we have col A or C and row 3, then basically we just have to Lynch the leader and town can't lose?

If we lynch the CL d1, yes. If we lynch the CL later, technically town can be endgamed by having 2 cultists vs 2 UTs. I think. Actually the setup rules are ambiguous, they say "cult has to reach a majority", not "has to reach parity" which is the usual win condition for scum. I think it still works like that though.

Yea, that's just my wording. Cult wins if they reach parity or have majority.

If you wanna see Scum!Me, look at Newbie 1949. If you wanna know what I know to be Scum!Me, ask.

Might check that later, but i assume that's not a cult game (being a newbie and all), so there may be very different behaviors appearing in here. Also, being aware of -past- selfmeta makes it more NAI than it should.

Post 269 is nice - would you say this is the best that town!you could do in this game? This question is not meant to belittle your play so far, just asking if you are sticking to what you said in the aforementioned post: being the towniest possible to get recruited later.

Yea, more or less. Optimal play dictates I should stick towards the middle to avoid recruitment, but the best play Town!Me can make is to try to get recruited and force the cult into WIFOM if I'm not. If they know there's a rolestopper, (or the chance to be one), they wouldn't want to target me since I'm the most likely to be rolestopped. If they know there's a JK in the setup, then we get into the WIFOM of "Is JK on me?"

[Not A Korina Alt]

{shos} - scum lean

Korina hun
please do tell me why don't you love me
spread the love babe
spread the love

I'm scumreading you because I feel like you're scum, but I have this lingering feeling that me scumreading you is actually indicative of Town!You. I haven't read the games back yet to confirm my suspicion of that, but until I do, I'm staying there on this.

I went to go find my reads from a Jingle's game, and D1, I was scumreading shos, who was town at that point. I'm willing to operate under the assumption for today that shos is actually town, and me scumreading him means he's town.

Why is nobody talking

Sorry, I was V/LA during the weekend. I was kinda hoping that someone would take up being post-leader while I was V/LA.

Now, before you go ahead and vote shos, I still want everyone to answer:

Why not shos?

I'm not ready to end the day by any means.

As of writing this, we have like 3d, 15hrs. Like I said above, I'm willing to operate under the assumption shos is town simply because I'm scumreading them. Past today though, maybe not. I'm also dead-set on NL still, because I don't remember seeing anything productive from them recently.

Also, how do you feel about my nl is twtbacl argument?

I don't think nolynch is too wolfy. He is average wolfy. Fits with CL, more than shos. But nolynch looks more town than both shos and poyzin, and i'd like to verify there first.

I'd still like to lynch NL today. My vote isn't changing. I can certainly see about checking them tonight and coming back with an answer on them tomorrow.

I have not much to add about shos other than i don't think he's CL, but he might be covering the CL. I can still compromise on him if the deadline nears, but i see poyzin or even nolynch as higher CL equity.

Can we Lynch this please
Falkran keeps always calling people scum and then not voting them because they are not the cult leader. Possible cult PRs are not good lynches for D1? Put your money where your mouth is

No. Fark is town to me. Not willing to lynch my TRs.

[Not A Korina Alt]

@Obvious, please read the entire game and give me a tl;dr opinion of it. Also, please tell me your exact thoughts on Fark, shos, poyzin and NL.

[Not A Korina Alt]

If we lynch the non-CL every single day aren't we basically guaranteed to have everyone but two be in the pool of winners?

Cult wins with the majority, not parity, so technically everyone but one person.

Once again, that's my wording at play. If cult comes down to a 2v2 situation with no CL, or all townies cannot be recruited, cult wins. That's only in tie-breaking situations of UT+UT versus CL + Cultist

[Not A Korina Alt]

People who town read Kanna: do you know her meta?

Also no, I don't meta people. I read people based on how they play in this game.
I also really don't like Blatent and Obvious's interactions here.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, Blatant, if you're trying to get me to budge away from voting you, it's not working. Instead, I'm just wanting you to die even more.

[Not A Korina Alt]

He. How many times must I say it?

[Not A Korina Alt]

Not L-1.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I still would like Blatant dead today.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Can we kill Blatant today and Obvious tomorrow? I really don't like their posting thus far. It feels like to me they're actively playing jestery. I don't know if it's indicative of CL or not, but I'd like to kill them tomorrow.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Bingle is probably town. Right now, I have scum I want to lynch today, and I'll try to figure out who I should be watching tomorrow.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Can we kill Blatant today and Obvious tomorrow? I really don't like their posting thus far. It feels like to me they're actively playing jestery. I don't know if it's indicative of CL or not, but I'd like to kill them tomorrow.

In other words: let's policy lynch two players because of their playstyle. Yes, they don't have the highest CL credit of all players and yes, we likely lose if neither of them is CL, but anyway, let's do it!

No, this is not a policy because of your playstyle. You and Obvious are acting like jesters and actively making the game unreadable—not to mention, your play will

undoubtedly

draw the tracker/cop onto whichever one of you survives tonight. In what universe does a townie decide to do this? None. In what universe does scum decide to do this? Many. Therefore, you are scum, and you must die. I'm not arguing this any further.

We lynch Blatant today, and Obvious tomorrow.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Additionally Blatant, cult can only have a max of three. We'd go into a D3 MyLo with the Cop getting a free clear if they're not recruited, and if it's a tracker, it's eh.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I have my personal reasons for wanting to lynch those being checked by cop/tracker, but also, it simplifies their play a lot. If I'm the cop, and I have two people I need to check, I will want one of them dead so I can see what they are without having to waste my night. Likewise, if I'm tracker, it means I don't have to waste a night—possibly not see the CL—and get a clear that way.

Pedit: Jingle is going to run an open where I'm a treestumped CL. You wanna see a world where scum plays jestery as fuck? Play/watch that game, because you're going to see exactly how I can derail a game as treestumped scum.

[Not A Korina Alt]

In fact, design any game where scum get treestumped upon death. At least one of them will openwolf the entire game.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Poyzin, they're the most likely to be scum outside the two fake-jesters.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I went to go find my reads from a Jingle's game, and D1, I was scumreading shos, who was town at that point. I'm willing to operate under the assumption for today that shos is actually town, and me scumreading him means he's town.

No. shos lynch isn't happening today.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I have my personal reasons for wanting to lynch those being checked by cop/tracker, but also, it simplifies their play a lot. If I'm the cop, and I have two people I need to check, I will want one of them dead so I can see what they are without having to waste my night. Likewise, if I'm tracker, it means I don't have to waste a night—possibly not see the CL—and get a clear that way.

Pedit: Jingle is going to run an open where I'm a treestumped CL. You wanna see a world where scum plays jestery as fuck? Play/watch that game, because you're going to see exactly how I can derail a game as treestumped scum.

I mean, why would you, as a cop, want to see your last night target being lynched (if the target were town)?

You aren't reading what I'm saying. What I'm saying is if I have two people I need to check, I want to lynch one and check the other. I can effectively check them, without wasting my night to do so.

I went to go find my reads from a Jingle's game, and D1, I was scumreading shos, who was town at that point. I'm willing to operate under the assumption for today that shos is actually town, and me scumreading him means he's town.

No. shos lynch isn't happening today.

Why?

Because 1) I believe you're scum, and 2) I believe shos is currently town

[Not A Korina Alt]

I'm scumreading poyzin because I don't remember them posting anything recently. I've also stated numerous times that I'm not budging off of Blatant. I don't care who else is on Blatant's wagon, I want him dead.

Also, the whole personal reason thing is me thinking too fast and typing too slow. I don't remember my exact phrasing, but it simplifies down to "I want to lynch Blatant and have cop/tracker check Obvious"

[Not A Korina Alt]

Kori, why bs? I don’t think he’s actually playing particularly jestery here.

No Lynch = Blatant. Additionally, look at his interactions with Obvious. My vote still isn't moving. Him replacing into his main doesn't change my stance of him.

Ugh, Korina's making me doubt him again. Their whole profile revolves around being "Obvious" and "Blatant" scum, I've seen Bla for one do this in many other games too. Treating it as AI with this kind of certainty:

Therefore, you are scum, and you must die. I'm not arguing this any further.

We lynch Blatant today, and Obvious tomorrow.

I really don't like.

Once again, No Lynch = Blatant. Do the math. I said I wanted No Lynch dead. Him replacing into his main doesn't suddenly change anything.

I went to go find my reads from a Jingle's game, and D1, I was scumreading shos, who was town at that point. I'm willing to operate under the assumption for today that shos is actually town, and me scumreading him means he's town.

No. shos lynch isn't happening today.

Weren't you scumreading me?
Also I'm a leading wagon which you don't seem to fight, lol

Are you scum Korina? Did you do your job earlier to get the votes and now you distance yourself from a mislynch?

Because at this point I really don't care enough to argue it. I have the two people I believe are scum. I'm going to confirm it one way or another tonight.

2) I believe shos is currently town

please do say, when did this begin?

ISO me, and look for it yourself. You can do the work yourself.

I'm scumreading you because I feel like you're scum, but I have this lingering feeling that me scumreading you is actually indicative of Town!You. I haven't read the games back yet to confirm my suspicion of that, but until I do, I'm staying there on this.

What, this? If there's "scummy" traits sh0s is displaying here which he was also doing in that game, that makes sense. But if it's just because he's a scumread, I don't really get that.

The entire thing was that shos was acting extremely scummy the whole entire time IIRC, and he's been doing the same here more or less, and on D1, he was town. Shos has been acting scummy this entire time as well I feel. Put two and two together.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I'm also off for the rest of the day, but if someone reaches L-1, I'm tempted to just autohammer them.
I'll compromise on a poyzin lynch today as well.

[Not A Korina Alt]

im fuckign drunk rn, so take anything im saying with a grain of salt: not really wrt to shos/

also, theory: team is shos/fark

[Not A Korina Alt]

i think its mostly alcohol talking tho

[Not A Korina Alt]

althoguh, i oudl see bingle/fark team

[Not A Korina Alt]

either way im off for a whille until i sober up

[Not A Korina Alt]

Fuck it, with Poyzin claiming, I feel like I should claim this as well:
I'm Tracker. Poyzin goes on me tonight, and he'll obviously get culted. Setup is B3. Poyzin isn't the lynch for tomorrow.

We don't lynch Poyzin, Myself, Fark, Hectic, Kanna today. We lynch Blatant, Obvious, Bingle, Shos.
I check one of those we don't lynch.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Whoever I check tonight is more or less an IC. There's the off-chance they're cult rolecop, but it's whatever. I feel like I can mechanically solve this game knowing it's B3.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Our goal at this point is to hit the CL, and if we get to D3 without hitting CL, we powerlynch Poyzin, then obviously me.

[Not A Korina Alt]

VOTE: Bingle

L-2

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, if we hit CL today, it doesn't matter at this point. We auto-win. Me and Poyzin are ICs, and we just powerlynch outside of that pool until we win.
If we hit Cult Rolecop today, it kinda won't matter. CL will be forced to give up a guilty by targeting Poyzin.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I probably check Poyzin n2 as well to ensure CL didn't try recruiting someone else.

[Not A Korina Alt]

D4 actually is when I'm irrelevant.
N1: Poyzin targets me, I target shos/BS, Cult recruit Poyzin.
N2: Poyzin culted, I target Poyzin,

cult cannot recruit because they're at 3

N3: I target someone, Cult targets me.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I also have two relevant investigations actually. N1 and N2. Cult are forced to target Poyzin tonight, and N2 confirms Poyzin getting culted.
As an aside,

@Poyzin, you should always remain on me until you are culted.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Obvious, we don't lose me until N3.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Cult are capped at 3. They recruit Poyzin today. I'm also assuming we don't lynch the CL/Cult Rolecop at all.
Poyzin, CL, Rolecop makes three cultists.

D3 we have to lynch Poyzin if we don't lynch any cultists at all.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Actually, D2, we need to lynch Poyzin, otherwise we get technically get endgamed D3.

[Not A Korina Alt]

D1: 7v2 -> 5v3
D2: 5v3 -> 4v3
D3: 4v3 -> 3v3 (Cult parity inevitable. Depending on how Kerset resolves it, we either are endgamed D3 or D4.)

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, if we hit cult in general today, we avoid cult winning for now.
Lynching CL is optimal, but with both PRs outted, lynching any cult is fine.

If we lynch not CL today, you lynch me D3.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, if we hit cult in general today, we avoid cult winning for now.
Lynching CL is optimal, but with both PRs outted, lynching any cult is fine.

If we lynch not CL/Town today, you lynch me D3.

ebwop

[Not A Korina Alt]

Obvious, can you provide anything helpful outside of cult is within the SIX PLAYERS WHO ARE NOT YOURSELF OR THE PRS

[Not A Korina Alt]

VOTE: Poyzin

I'm fucked either way, so...

[Not A Korina Alt]

If Poyzin is actually rolestopper, I get culted.
If Poyzin isn't actually rolestopper, I get culted.

No matter what, I get culted.

[Not A Korina Alt]

At this point, Town!Me believes lynching a confirmed cult is better while I'm still town. Regardless, I get culted tonight if we try to guess outside of this.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I want to lynch Poyzin today, because I believe Shos is actually the townie here.
If Poyzin is rolestopper, I get culted.
If Poyzin isn't the rolestopper, and this is an elaborate play, I get culted.

[Not A Korina Alt]

It doesn't matter to me because I wanna lynch one of {shos, poyzin} today.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Hectic

[Not A Korina Alt]

I am saying we lynch Poyzin today

[Not A Korina Alt]

If he flips rolestopper, I get culted

[Not A Korina Alt]

If he doesn't flip rolestopper, I get culted

[Not A Korina Alt]

No matter what I do today, I get culted. We can lynch shos, and I'll track Bingle for all I care.
But one of {shos, Poyzin} gets culted.

[Not A Korina Alt]

No matter what I do today, I get culted. We can lynch shos, and I'll track Bingle for all I care.
But one of {shos, Poyzin} gets lynched.

ebwop

[Not A Korina Alt]

We have a confirmed scum in {shos, poyzin}. We also have a confirmed town in that.
I am confirmed tracker, and it's impossible for me to not be tracker. Shos CC'd Poyzin, not me. Everyone has more or less posted since I've claimed Tracker. The chance to CC that has passed; therefore, I am confirmed tracker.

The setup is either B1 or B3.

Pedit: Hectic, let's do this: Lynch shos, I check Bingle.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also, sure, lynching CL today is cool because we're guaranteed to win at that point, but we have a confirmed cultist between two people. I'd rather shoot one of them, and try to make the CL play ball with me tonight.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Give me like 20 minutes to find all of them.
Also, I took a nap and had a dream it was Fark/Poyzin, discuss.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Spoiler:

I'd rather

hound them down

about it later, and

start tracking it now

, if that makes sense.

Also, like, I want no lynch dead because their slot is blatently scummy IMO, and if they're town, they're very likely to be mislynched or

force people to actively watch them

, allowing cult to recruit others with no consequences.

If they know there's a rolestopper, (or the chance to be one)... If they know there's a JK in the setup...

^
(That one is just me addressing the fact of there being a Rolestopper/JK in the setup—which exists with Tracker.)

I'd still like to lynch NL today. My vote isn't changing. I can certainly

see about checking them tonight

and coming back with an answer on them tomorrow.

Bingle is probably town. Right now, I have scum I want to lynch today, and I'll try to figure out

who I should be watching tomorrow

.

[Not A Korina Alt]

In no world do we say "Hey, let's see if the FN is real or not by letting them act tonight"

Cult know either the Rolestopper is real or fake. If it's fake, guess who gets culted tonight without fail? This guy. Guess who gives a fake result then? This guy.
There is no world I can see where the FN is faked. I can see a world where Poyzin claims rolestopper, and claims to be on me, but doesn't recruit me N1.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Probably not. I could see him being Rolecop, claiming rolestopper and telling CL to not be on me tonight and to recruit elsewhere though.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Was poyzin at L-1 when he claimed or no?

[Not A Korina Alt]

If he was, then I feel like shos is arguably the better lynch here.
If he wasn't I feel like poyzin is the better lynch simply because I don't remember there being any particular pressure to lynch them at that point. Sure, if we were at ~24hrs till deadline, and he was about to be lynched if he didn't do anything, it seems marginally more likely that would be Rolestopper!Poyzin claiming because cultist getting lynched doesn't hurt cult that much, not to mention, I'd be the most likely recruit either way.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Hang on, let me find out how long until deadline we had when poyzin claimed.

[Not A Korina Alt]

By the way, @everyone who thinks poyzin is the likely liar here

Could you explain to me the sheer chances that cult!poyzin claims rolestopper and out of 2 potential counterclaims in 6 people, no one steps up to CC him and instead gets a confirm, then SUDDENLY A CC POPS UP WHEN BINGLE IS AT L-1?

Just tell me how likely it is. How fucking lucky would poyzin have been to get
1. A role which would be plausible with korina role
2. 6 people to post itt without anyone counterclaiming
3. A counterclaim popping up ONLY when bingle is at L-1

And compare it to how convenient it is for the bingle/shos team to do that.

1) Very likely. I literally crumbed/stated I was going to watch BS. Plus Cult knows it's B-Column, since they have Rolecop.
2) Considering they're aiming for only one person to CC, it's debatable considering they know I won't be CCing it. I'd be confirming it.
3) Shos's activity site-wide has been low, so I'd believe shos only started reading the game again today.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Here's where I'm at:
Cult automatically knows it's B-Column. It's very likely they picked up on my crumbs, considering I literally stated I was going to track BS at one point, and knew they couldn't claim Tracker. That leaves Rolestopper, Jailkeeper, Friendly Neighbor. Only one person could've CC'd it since hypothetically, they knew I was Tracker. Rolestopper is the best option to claim out of those, because that means they can make everyone think that I'm not gonna get culted, when in reality, they go to cult me.

Poyzin had about two days before deadline and no immediate L-1, making his claim look somewhat out of place? And if we're going to go into the chance he picks something that won't get directly CC'd, he has a 66% chance of doing so, so I'd say it's more likely Poyzin just randomly picked something off of the B-Column and claimed it, hoping for the best. Looking at shos's posting, he's been pretty inactive as a whole. Yes, he's been posting elsewhere, but he posted eleven times yesterday. Eleven. They were also one or two posts at a time, and practically all of them, (except two), are from Autobattler Mafia, and all those posts are very short. So yes, I believe it's more likely shos genuinely wasn't reading when Poyzin claimed, and that Poyzin just got lucky.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Had I not crumbed as hard as I did, I wouldn't have outted. But I felt that because I crumbed so hard, I needed to tell Poyzin to be on me. Stating "Poyzin, be on me. I have my reasons why cult would wanna recruit me" practically confirms me as a PR, and gets people searching my ISO for crumbs.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Fark, I literally stated I wanted to "see about checking him [NL] tonight." Tell me, what does that imply to you that I am? Because it certainly doesn't imply I'm a VT.

[Not A Korina Alt]

If I'm a VT, why wouldn't I say something like "I'll re-read the game tonight and tell you in the morning"? Why do I explicitly state I will check him tonight?

[Not A Korina Alt]

But y'know what? Fine.
VOTE: Bingle

If this flips town, shos is town 100%.
It won't matter at that point because I'm culted, and I'm gonna make the game unreadable by openwolfing, but, I really don't care.

[Not A Korina Alt]

If this somehow is CL, we don't talk for the rest of the game. We'll start by lynching shos, and then Poyzin.
There is no need to discuss anything in that.
Ok?
Ok. Good talk team.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Fark, just powerlynch Bingle. That's all we gotta do.

[Not A Korina Alt]

If that's CL, we powerlynch shos, then Poyzin and win.

[Not A Korina Alt]

At this point, I don't really care. I just want a flip, because that'll help me mechanically solve the rest of the game.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Or I get culted because Poyzin is a liar. Either works for me, but I'd have more fun if Poyzin is a liar, because then I openwolf.

[Not A Korina Alt]

@mod vc please

@everyone, powerlynch bingle please.

@Poyzin, you're on me tonight.

@Shos, you're also on me tonight.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Either I get a FN notification, or I don't.

[Not A Korina Alt]

If I don't get one, we lynch Shos.
If I do get one, we lynch Poyzin.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I'm also aiming to find CL, because I'm skeptical Bingle flips CL.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Kanna didn't visit.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Also wasn't culted. Will return tomorrow. I've spent all day working and I'm tired and cannot think any further.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Ok, so, here's where we're at:
- Korina and Kanna are both mechanically confirmed town.
- Poyzin and shos are both mechanically confirmed cult.
- Fark, OS, BS and Hectic has the CL in it.

You guys sort through that please. I'm leaning towards Fark/Hectic for some reason atm.
Kanna cannot ever be culted, because I get culted next.

[Not A Korina Alt]

VOTE: Blatant

I'd like to get Blatant flipped today. If not, Farkan tomorrow. Hectic feels different from other games. I can't get into the exact reasoning, but I don't think he's CL here.
Farkan's posting feels weird looking at it a little bit more as well.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Actually:
VOTE: Farkan

Poyzin can't be CL here I don't think.

Fark/Blatant is what I'm at for CL.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Poyzin requested to be replaced.
Not A Korina Alt has been prodded.

Cultist & cultee.

Poyzin slot has to go. Korina slot will stay an openwolf forever.

Prod received. I don't care enough about the game at this point tbf. I wasn't culted, and I can't be culted, because I have said numerous time I would openwolf the fuck out of the setup. What part of openwolfing is me lurking doing? Nothing. If I'm cult here, I would be spamposting the fuck out of this game to confuse everyone.

Poyzin and shos should be ignored, nobody should listen to them. Let's lynch Blatant today, and win. And if Blatant flips CL, I'm going to fucking say I told you all, yet none of you listened. I'm waiting for a VC first.

[Not A Korina Alt]

No idea what shos's post was quoted.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Actually there's one at the top.

VOTE: Blatant

Fuck it. I don't care enough anymore.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Shos, I cannot be cult here. Read what I have said before. I have said that I would openwolf. For me in this case, openwolving is playing as scummily as possible by constantly posting and whatnot. I know I won't be lynched, so I can do that to make people doubt who the CL is. What I am currently doing is the opposite of it. As town and scum, when it comes down to how I'd play, I tend to be perfectly honest.

Why? Because town!me wants to be correctly read; scum!me wants a challenge. Sure, winning without effort is fun as scum, but not what I enjoy. So Scum!Me honestly states how I'd play. I'm lurking out of the game because I believe I know who the CL is, we have two confirmed cultists, we aren't lynching them. I don't actively care enough about this game because we aren't doing anything productive. We're letting the cult dissuade us from people. At this point, we should just lynch someone and go to tomorrow. I don't give enough fucks about the game and the gamestate atm. It's because I'm absolutely certain the CL is in {Fark, Blatant} and {Poyzin, Shos} are the cultists.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Can we like, lynch Blatant rn? Please? I don't know why the day hasn't ended.

[Not A Korina Alt]

TSE VISITED HECTIC

[Not A Korina Alt]

VOTE: shos

[Not A Korina Alt]

@TSE, why visit Hectic, and not me?

[Not A Korina Alt]

If this flips not role-cop btw, we powerlynch TSE tomorrow.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Actually, TSE could've not been culted but...

[Not A Korina Alt]

Speaking of that: I FUCKING SAID IT WAS BLATANT, BUT WHAT DID WE DO D1? NOT LYNCH BLATANT, WE LYNCHED JINGLE INSTEAD

[Not A Korina Alt]

That's something I feel like I need to work on: Sticking with my gut instinct, because that would've won us the game d1.
Literally me and poyzin would've outed, we propose a plan to lynch literally everyone else and win.

[Not A Korina Alt]

No, they don't meaning TSE is either Rolestopper still, or was Rolecop.
If this flips rolecop, I propose we vote a plan to end the game there, because we have the game confirmed to win, and I don't feel like sitting around for the next few weeks just to end the game. If this is rolecop, it means TSE is rolestopper still, and I'm still tracker. We have two confirmed townies, so we lynch literally everyone outside of that pool until we win.
If this flips cultist, then we lynch TSE tomorrow because they have to be rolecop.

[Not A Korina Alt]

If this also flips FN somehow, we obviously lynch TSE tomorrow.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Yea, two things:

1) @Mod, can we propose a lynch order to end the game?
2) Night shouldn’t have been skipped, but I’ll explain post-game why.

[Not A Korina Alt]

No. You lose all abilities upon recruitment.

[Not A Korina Alt]

TSE cannot be cultist; they are the rolestopper.

[Not A Korina Alt]

I’d like to propose lynch order as:
Kanna > Farkan > OS > Hectic

I’d also like to skip directly to endgame with this. I know TSE cannot be cult, I know I cannot be cult, we lynch not us.

[Not A Korina Alt]

@OS, check the roles for the recruited cultist. They do not retain abilities.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Yea, two things:

1) @Mod, can we propose a lynch order to end the game?
2) Night shouldn’t have been skipped, but I’ll explain post-game why.

Ignore point two. The scenario I thought of still allows us to skip nights.

[Not A Korina Alt]

OS, it doesn’t matter.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Shos flipped Rolecop. That means TSE was Rolestopper. We lynched CL D2. I cannot have been recruited ever, making my N2 result reliable.
I saw TSE visit. They are still rolestopper.
We have two confirmed townies. I want to skip to endgame with that lynch order. Town wins this game no matter what. If Kerset doesn’t allow us, cultist should concede. They cannot win.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Order would’ve been:
Kanna > Fark > OS > Hectic

[Not A Korina Alt]

Yea

[Not A Korina Alt]

I’m still fucking salty that nobody thought BS was scum, and they flipped CL.

[Not A Korina Alt]

Like

[Not A Korina Alt]

I had this game solved