Large Normal 211: Scientific Mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm gonna try something: for this I'm gonna lurk out the first irl day or so

[Gamma Emerald]

24: Why? I'm trying a playstyle shift to see if something actually works.
27: really funny bro. Also I know his claim isn't true, check Grand Idea mafia thread. Don't think he's scum for claiming it though, it's purely a meme and everyone making a big deal of it needs to chill. 2iam is in my scumpool because he's in on the joke enough that he should get it.
51: prob town
60: plurality huh? interesting
63: I believe the OP says mafia don't have day talk full stop.
65: How? By all means he should understand the joke of your claim.
74: Very likely a scum post, taking it way too seriously imo
83: Dude, I'm just going to keep playing my way. I don't think you're scum yet but I think eventually you should be able to see why I'm playing the way I am. Check my wiki page for clues if you need them.
85: In a past game Boon had rolled Weak Vig but thought he was SK. That game wasn't really on him but was a general trainwreck.
88: Nope. I have dedication to this trial run of my new playstyle.
94: In addition to pushing Flavor on something that's completely NAI and by Pine's logic should be town, Pine also pushes Profii on something that honestly is a fair point if I didn't have a very clear intent for my lurking. I'm sorry Pine but the trend continues of you rolling scum and I've got you by the tail.
105: I honestly wanted to keep it a secret but if we're just going to have it be public sure. I will say that Inferno's responses in the hood kinda strike me as scummy, he seems a bit too self-conscious about Boon going after him.
106: I don't like this, Boon what do you think of this in relation to Mini 1905? He kinda feels tonally similar and overall I just don't think his thought process is very good here.
110: does modding count?
112: The hood has nothing to do with it. Again, check my wiki page.
115: okay this is actually not scum indicative. I was hoping to keep it a secret so that if some anomaly happened I could spring a trap but w/e. I think he makes this same play as either alignment.
116: Idk just because of trends I'm noting I'm already thinking there's a decent chance of it being all town. Looks too much like Large 203 to be a coincidence.
124: Okay what the fuck? Do you think we all just drop our pants if one of us is scum?
128: the fuck is this multiball spec? Isn't two teams plus SK not normal? As for the original question it answered 4 scum seems reasonable but it could also be 5, as we're one off from 21.
129: Hm I need to check something wrt to Pine, this couls be important for my reads
132: I think scum are less likely to want night actions targeting them actually. Cop is my main focus here as you don't get nearly as much problems getting copped as town than as scum.
145: Accuses someone of scumslipping after bringing up the shit that relates to the "scumslip"? Scum.
153: Paranoia got it. Don't mind me not listening to your Flavor scumread until you can actually substantiate it.

Reads rn
Town: Flavor, profii, Nictis (never brought them up but they seem inquisitive which feels towny)
Middling town: Inferno, Theta Alpine (kinda feels organic but not as strong as Nictis yet)
Scum: Pine, Flubs
Scum but could change based on things: 2iam

[Gamma Emerald]

Day kill: Inferno

I'm as serious as a head wound.

If this is really legit fuck you

[Gamma Emerald]

BRUH.
Well, that got me out of the day quick. Scummy as frick usage though.

Can't be scum, mafia vigs are explicitly unallowed
Still a horrible shot, why wouldn't he follow his own read and shoot Flavor first?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Pine
since his kill was fake I see no reason to not vote him because the gambit legit does jack shit to make him look towny

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Pine
since his kill was fake I see no reason to not vote him because the gambit legit does jack shit to make him look towny

Yeah, it's not about me. It's about provoking a hard-to-read newbie into maybe making a newbie mistake. Only scum worries about looking Townie.

Come on, Gamma. You're smart enough to know this stuff.

It's not that you wanted to look towny, it's that your gambit doesn't make me feel any better about you. I'm basically saying "my read has changed 0%".

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think scum would drop a neighbor claim after a dayvig? That's just nonsense.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you think scum would drop a neighbor claim after a dayvig? That's just nonsense.

The neighbor claim is irrelevant. Some scum, when they get hammered or dayvigged, just gg and fess up to being scum. That's what I was looking for.

Seriously. You've been around enough to know this. Quit being obtuse.

Okay I read it wrong then.

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey Theta
You gonna give any thoughts on anything else Pine has posted
or are you just going to say "yeah Pine is right"

[Gamma Emerald]

I think pine is scum.
People who disagree r dumb

[Gamma Emerald]

I have already stated which posts of Pine's I am scumreading and why

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway, everyone with the exception of Firebringer and flavor seems town atm.

Maaaaybe Gamma scum too? Didn't actually check is links to see what he's going on about

Sweet OMGUS bro

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm caught between Gamma and Leaf as scum in the hood. Pine is null to me. TIAM is something, just not sure what. Null reads on everyone esle atm.

You've explained Flavor but what about me?

[Gamma Emerald]

Um he's saying I'm scum...

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we shouldn't be assuming we have scum in the hood. I mean for pete's sake in Large 203 there was a hood with 4 town only, so like, it's not unprecedented. Sort by play, not whether someone is in a hood.

[Gamma Emerald]

If we have SK id definitely say this is 15:4:1

[Gamma Emerald]

No way are there fewer than 5 scum. Math better.

Precedent says you're wrong as fuck.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why did you feel the need to tell us you planned on lurking for the beginning of the game?

It's a playstyle shift so I'm alerting everyone who's used to my old meta that some things are changing

[Gamma Emerald]

I will answer those questions later but I want some other people to come back and comment on things before I do. I intend for it to be a consistent thing if I like what I get out of it though.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't recall playing with you, only James

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh I think I know which one and that's ongoing

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma - Answering to the Flubber question, I can see Flubber doing that as town, and for some reason I always town read Flubber. He’s one of the players I misread the most on site. But yes, it is very similar to that game.

@Egg - that’s just what Two does. He votes me. I’ve never played with scumTwo, I might have once, and I was inactive the majority of that game and he died before I was in really, but this is the same townTwo I always want to lynch.

You're not scumhunting. And you're not giving me a good reason not to vote you.

The content of the quoted post and 2iam's response pings me. 2iam should know why, he shouts about it any time he gets pushed

[Gamma Emerald]

This game is good reading. It's 5 scum with even rolecop vs odd and even cop, 3 masons and 2 shot vig. So while there is precedent of scum being able to have larger numbers in games there needs to be considerable town power to edge it out.

[Gamma Emerald]

I would like to confirm that my game does not have multiple scumteams.

Post made in the sign-ups. This was made with the intent to draw in players, so if he's lying he'd run the risk of getting completely eviscerated postgame. It's one scumteam, END. OF. STORY.

[Gamma Emerald]

Since I remember that,
Town don’t be stupid and try to investigate me.

I am also ascetic.

huh
like this whole thought process by you makes good sense and no sense at the same time

[Gamma Emerald]

Please don’t pull a Fitz.

I'm not, I won't post like that after my first run through of the topic

[Gamma Emerald]

So I’m giving him a chance here. I guess his gambit is make himself so untrustable he gets himself copped and has the luxury of being conf town until scum decide we can’t have a conf town in the game.

Idk but overall if you are intentionally putting yourself in the position of “you are all so unsure of me you need to cop me” then I am guessing town

But idk because that is the weirdest claim

Eh, even if it is just a joke claim (Which I hear he does on a regular basis) it's one that makes it a bit more unlikely for him to get copped. Plenty of other people for the cop to check instead of the guy who's saying he can't be investigated or will turn up guilty if he is.

Right now I mostly don't like how he claimed that I was saying something I never did.

yea the last sentence of my post is me agreeing with all of your post

I get to a point where I think if I keep lynching FLs fake claims then it beccomes
Policy: stop FL being an idiot

It’s the particular role that really bugs me on this one but I want to leave him alone, it’s like a scab you’re not supposed to pick !

I s2g you guys are all out of your gourds. I know why he claimed it and it was to poke fun at me. Stop obsessing over a meme.

[Gamma Emerald]

So I’m giving him a chance here. I guess his gambit is make himself so untrustable he gets himself copped and has the luxury of being conf town until scum decide we can’t have a conf town in the game.

Idk but overall if you are intentionally putting yourself in the position of “you are all so unsure of me you need to cop me” then I am guessing town

But idk because that is the weirdest claim

Eh, even if it is just a joke claim (Which I hear he does on a regular basis) it's one that makes it a bit more unlikely for him to get copped. Plenty of other people for the cop to check instead of the guy who's saying he can't be investigated or will turn up guilty if he is.

Right now I mostly don't like how he claimed that I was saying something I never did.

yea the last sentence of my post is me agreeing with all of your post

I get to a point where I think if I keep lynching FLs fake claims then it beccomes
Policy: stop FL being an idiot

It’s the particular role that really bugs me on this one but I want to leave him alone, it’s like a scab you’re not supposed to pick !

I s2g you guys are all out of your gourds. I know why he claimed it and it was to poke fun at me. Stop obsessing over a meme.

I don't care much for the claim, but he still tried to discredit me for no discernible reason. The joke caught my attention, his response holds it. Check post 69.

idk like his logic seems fine to me in that post. He's basically saying "you think xyz is what you would do so it's what I would do, but it's not".

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma - Answering to the Flubber question, I can see Flubber doing that as town, and for some reason I always town read Flubber. He’s one of the players I misread the most on site. But yes, it is very similar to that game.

@Egg - that’s just what Two does. He votes me. I’ve never played with scumTwo, I might have once, and I was inactive the majority of that game and he died before I was in really, but this is the same townTwo I always want to lynch.

You're not scumhunting. And you're not giving me a good reason not to vote you.

The content of the quoted post and 2iam's response pings me. 2iam should know why, he shouts about it any time he gets pushed

2iam you haven't responded to this yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't dodge the question.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me rephrase then:
What do you think is wrong with your push on Flavor?

[Gamma Emerald]

I wanted to do links because I didn't want a massive quote wall, but no one pays attention to links it seems. Unfortunately as I said a wall will also make people ignore my thoughts, and multiple individual quotes will come off as spam. So I guess my verdict on the new playstyle is that there is no good way to engage people with my thoughts.

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me rephrase then:
What do you think is wrong with your push on Flavor?

Nothing.

Here's the answer:
You missed Flavor actually saying you were town, and only picked up on the "wanting to lynch you" part. That's some rather scummy selective reading, cos it permits a bullshit push. Plus with the amount of times I've seen you shout about being an easy target for scum it seems like you'd note someone actually arguing you as mislynch bait. But nope, Flavor says he wants to lynch you so I guess he's scum pushing you. Or maybe it's that you're twisting the narrative and are scum.
PEdit: profii that's really helpful thanks man

[Gamma Emerald]

btw profii this whole new playstyle is based on that newbie we were both in

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that's a fair commentary on it dude, no offense taken

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me rephrase then:
What do you think is wrong with your push on Flavor?

Nothing.

Here's the answer:
You missed Flavor actually saying you were town, and only picked up on the "wanting to lynch you" part. That's some rather scummy selective reading, cos it permits a bullshit push. Plus with the amount of times I've seen you shout about being an easy target for scum it seems like you'd note someone actually arguing you as mislynch bait. But nope, Flavor says he wants to lynch you so I guess he's scum pushing you. Or maybe it's that you're twisting the narrative and are scum.
PEdit: profii that's really helpful thanks man

If you think I'm pushing FL because I thought he thinks I'm scum then you are misreading the whole situation.

Why then?

[Gamma Emerald]

If I say Flavor it's almost certain I'm referring to Flavor Leaf

[Gamma Emerald]

scumleaning pine for 128

scumreading gamma for 161

inferno can be town for 166

if you want explanations just ask, focused more on catching up than typing all my thoughts out

You're gonna have to explain what makes you scumread me. Just referring to that post isn't helpful because there's a lot there.

[Gamma Emerald]

by the way, do none of you read mafia discussion

Ascetic Miller

Boonskiies came up with this idea, and it struck me as so amusing I asked and received permission to share it here.

*raises hand*

[Gamma Emerald]

oh lol i pulled a gamma and responded to something before reading like two posts down

Well

thanks

I'm trying to fix that you know

[Gamma Emerald]

Rather than doing her typical probing for an understanding of the players all these posts from nsg is doing is very surface level.
Not Townnsg at all.

Even her “I can go into more if requested” doesn’t sound Town her.
I understand ur doing catchup but you usually have questions for people you scumread.
Where’s the questions for gamma?

I think this is a fair analysis, her SR on me feels so bare-bones and honestly kinda forced

[Gamma Emerald]

by the way, do none of you read mafia discussion

Ascetic Miller

Boonskiies came up with this idea, and it struck me as so amusing I asked and received permission to share it here.

did you notice that boonskiies was the one who claimed it

Do. You. Know. What. That. Means?

[Gamma Emerald]

Rather than doing her typical probing for an understanding of the players all these posts from nsg is doing is very surface level.
Not Townnsg at all.

Even her “I can go into more if requested” doesn’t sound Town her.
I understand ur doing catchup but you usually have questions for people you scumread.
Where’s the questions for gamma?

i'm not doing a 50 post catchup to ask people questions from page 6 that get answered on page 8. you're trying to apply behavior from a micro game to a 20 player large. it's not going to work. like i explicitly said, i'm more focused on just catching up than typing up a whole lot and going in-depth – i got prodded and i'd really rather just have something and then go from there than spend so much time trying to come up with still relevant questions that i end up not posting anything at all.

I think north side might be scum btw

Yeah I was looking through the lurkers and I'm feeling it too.

feeling it in what way? i can understand where firebringer may be coming from – what gives

you

that impression?

How can you understand it from me?

i imagine you have at least some (if even the most completely surface-level) idea of my meta, whereas i don't think pine does.

I’m applying meta from a 20 player game actually, nice try to pretend I’m using different games tho lol

Which game are you using for meta? The UPick where you rolled suicide bomber?

[Gamma Emerald]

i scumread gamma for how he's playing this game, not necessarily for any sort of logical inconsistencies or things that don't make sense as is the basis for many of my scumreads in other games. also, again – i was focused more on catching up than responding to things specifically. i planned to form reads and then go from here as a starting point keeping up with the thread. you jumping in and voting me for not having questions yet seems incredibly premature.

Talk to me about this. I'm thinking it might actually be a misunderstanding. How do you think the way I'm playing is scummy?

[Gamma Emerald]

this honestly feels rehearsed and like scum theatre

why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay yeah northside is scum lol

Yarp. Took the words right out of my mouth. "Surface level" is an excellent way to describe it.

VOTE: northsidegal

Stay on Target, Red Five. BoonFlavor is the lynch today. We can string NSG up tomorrow.

You're still wanting to policy him for something that has repeatedly been demonstrated to be faked in a manner that was never intended to be believed? I have a hard time believing you're that stupid.

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree with Pine.

About what? Also you still need to answer me about why you're scumreading Flavor Leaf

[Gamma Emerald]

I think this is a fair analysis, her SR on me feels so bare-bones and honestly kinda forced

lol

what's forced about it? i don't understand how you can call something forced when i probably haven't said more than 4 sentences about it.

I've actually rolled that back, I want you to explain your SR on me before I make any judgments about it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to townread towinamillion for that post about jumping on wagon.
Seems too lazy for scum to post in this situation when everyone is being pretty critical.
And I don’t think twoinamillion is lazy scum so

I don't get what you're townreading from 2iam or why

[Gamma Emerald]

But what about me makes you assume that I would reverse anything with a teammate.

This is supposed to say rehearsal

This is a deflection tactic. Highly sus.

it felt rehearsed and that they had more than one thread to talk in

First off:
Masons.

All joking aside though, scum don't have daytalk. How do you propose resolving this statement?

we already have a neighborhood
so i have one question
does the neighborhood have daytalk

Um what? Yeah we have daytalk but it says scumteams, not all private chats. So obviously whatever logic is being used does not carry over.

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree with Pine.

About what? Also you still need to answer me about why you're scumreading Flavor Leaf

He's not trying. That's pretty consistant with his scummeta.

Not trying = scum boon...how?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I completely disagree, unless you can demonstrate how in mini 1985 flavor wasn't trying at all

[Gamma Emerald]

But if everyone else agrees on NSG I will go along for today.

This is post I’m tr twoinmillion for, gamma

Okay. Why is it a lazy scum post?

[Gamma Emerald]

So you're operating off of just a town game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why haven't you linked it yet?

[Gamma Emerald]

But what about me makes you assume that I would reverse anything with a teammate.

This is supposed to say rehearsal

This is a deflection tactic. Highly sus.

Awww
he's trying

Who?
Also this feels like shade throwing

[Gamma Emerald]

Why haven't you linked it yet?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74658

YAAAAAAAAAAAAWN
Do you really still think Boon lied about irl being in the way?

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh holy shit 2iam you're right
he legit said he didn't feel like posting because he'd sound scummy in the mafia pt
but my question for you now is how is he not trying here?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Flavor Are you denying you specifically said you wouldn't post for a time because you thought you'd look scummy in that game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Verifiable randomness is bad, mkay? Splitting it between your two suspicions isn't really random to me so much as showing that you think either or both of them need to die, but if you had rolled like a D20 then I'd be voting you for it.

What do you think a vote would do?

[Gamma Emerald]

Seriously? Doesn't he enjoy playing scum? Why would he always put off scumgames if he enjoyed them?

[Gamma Emerald]

I checked Mini 1931, Flavor Leaf was scum that game, guess how many times he said he was busy? ONCE. That's once in 492 posts from both accounts he posted as fyi. I'm pretty sure I can obtain even more games where Boon wasn't busy and was scum. Do you want to continue this inane push or are you going to force me to do more work?

[Gamma Emerald]

you can just blatantly misrep the fuck out of his scum play to match his play in the current game and see if he flips the fuck out.

he tends to be town when that happens.

i also got lynched last time i tried it.

which i maintain was utter bullshit

which game was this?

[Gamma Emerald]

which game was this?

I don't think you need meta to know that town people will generally flip out if you misrep their scum meta to fit a game.

No I want to know if I have seen the game that happened in

[Gamma Emerald]

2iam you already weren't voting

[Gamma Emerald]

which game was this?

I don't think you need meta to know that town people will generally flip out if you misrep their scum meta to fit a game.

No I want to know if I have seen the game that happened in

you haven't, it was on his boon account

mini 1757 iirc

You are aware I've played with Boon on his main as well? We were all in the game Boon does not speak of

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh holy shit 2iam you're right
he legit said he didn't feel like posting because he'd sound scummy in the mafia pt
but my question for you now is how is he not trying here?

Because he's focusing on my meta rather than actually what's happening in the game. "TIAM is annoying" etc.

That's pretty close to what he did in the scum game where he basically stayed alive by saying my arguments were NAI.

Boom relies a lot on meta to be honest. We can argue that you haven’t been focused on what’s going on the game at all either. If it’s not about Boon, then its about the neighborhood.

That's not true. At least I've posted who I think is town. And if we have at least a 25% chance of getting scum by lynching in the neighborhood that's a place to start unless someone has a better idea.

Oh fack off Boon's given townreads as well. And we don't have a certified 25% chance of catching scum by lynching in the hood.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh holy shit 2iam you're right
he legit said he didn't feel like posting because he'd sound scummy in the mafia pt
but my question for you now is how is he not trying here?

Because he's focusing on my meta rather than actually what's happening in the game. "TIAM is annoying" etc.

That's pretty close to what he did in the scum game where he basically stayed alive by saying my arguments were NAI.

Boom relies a lot on meta to be honest. We can argue that you haven’t been focused on what’s going on the game at all either. If it’s not about Boon, then its about the neighborhood.

That's not true. At least I've posted who I think is town. And if we have at least a 25% chance of getting scum by lynching in the neighborhood that's a place to start unless someone has a better idea.

Oh fack off Boon's given townreads as well. And we don't have a certified 25% chance of catching scum by lynching in the hood.

I don't see any reasonable setup with 4 town neighbors.

Jegus fuck have you not heard me say this setup is similar to Large 203? Let me note that game had an all-town hood. So yes, it is absolutely viable a four-town hood could exist.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is it wrong if I locktown Theta for this
pedit: nice retraction buddy, everyone already sees you're wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay if your aren’t townread me now people, ur bad
I crossed my scumrange threshold.

Now I need to go back into that range because this is too much ~effort~

Does this mean nothing to u!

I have no idea what your threshold is

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay if your aren’t townread me now people, ur bad
I crossed my scumrange threshold.

Now I need to go back into that range because this is too much ~effort~

Does this mean nothing to u!

I have no idea what your threshold is

Now you know

still have no clue

[Gamma Emerald]

@fire where is flavor leaf
@2iam wtf why are you calling fire trump?
pedit: okay then

[Gamma Emerald]

lol

[Gamma Emerald]

He said I’m not the main villain. That’s a town read

who is this talking to

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: 2inamillion
I don't see how town!two tunnels this bad, even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary
As such I think he's scum that doesn't care

[Gamma Emerald]

@egg - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74658 - I was scum here, but you can look at the reasons for scum reading, and they were literally all activity based.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73076 - this was another one. I was town, and cleared town, and still was getting pushed.

Those are just the two off the top of my head.

I’ve never had a game with Two where this wasn’t the case at one point during a game.
I’m town reading Gamma because he’s buddying up to me, and he does this when he’s town.

He doesn’t acknowledge me as much when he’s scum.

Um afaict that's based off a one-game sample where I ended up flaking from a hydra so like, I think that isn't that reliable of a tell on me?

[Gamma Emerald]

THINKING

Archwing I want you to vote in your next post

[Gamma Emerald]

THINKING

Archwing I want you to vote in your next post

Or else what?

I just want you to take a hard stance with a vote.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well shoot looks like Beef took it out of my grasp
I wanted Arch to cast a vote ASAP because he'd talked some game about SRing 2iam and I wanted to see him enacted the plurality shift but Beefster already did it so I can't do that.
And also I think Beef is town

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, Gamma's response to this seems way fricking forced, especially the last sentence about how Beef is town. It seems like scum shading scum as town.

What
I'm upset at Beef for taking away my ability to poke at Arch but it doesn't make him scummy, and his other content feels towny. Capiche?

[Gamma Emerald]

I specifically wanted to see if Arch would plurshift or vote somewhere else. Now that plurshift already happened it's not as important.

[Gamma Emerald]

In addition because no one responded to this point by Inferno I think when Beef said he was hammering he meant plurshifting

[Gamma Emerald]

plurshit = pluralitity shift, the act of changing the leading wagon in a plurality lynch game, which this is. Plurshifting changes who is on the chopping block, so it's a good thing to keep an eye on for sorting people

[Gamma Emerald]

Generally on this site plurality lynching just changes the dynamic of wagons but on MU it's pure plurality outside of lylo (which is a hot mess I don't want to get into), so the deadlines always run to completion there in most games.

[Gamma Emerald]

wtf is "wasted breath"

[Gamma Emerald]

I read pages 18 and 17 but didn't get much out of it. I don't at all get what theta is seeing in firebringer vs north orthe north hate in general. I don't at all find theta's or firebringer's suspicion scummy either though. Also don't get why firebringer thinks TwoInAMillion would only be lazy as town.

Its not just laziness it’s also careless as scum to post that without considering s appearances.
I kind of agree maybe twoinmillion would be lazy as scum but the post seems like it could easily be edited a bit if scum to look slightly more townie which he didn’t do

So basically you mean lazily proofread

[Gamma Emerald]

Pere whats it had appeared

Not sure wtf ucv is doing but as you say RVS has passed which UCV has meta for not liking so just a general reminder he ought to get stuck into the game now

Yea rvs has passed.

Ur doing an rvs vote on someone who hasn’t made a single post

that's not an RVS vote? Like there's definitely a logic there

[Gamma Emerald]

basically given the amount of time we've been out of RVS UCV should have started playing the game by now
so your quip you made actually legitimizes profii's read

[Gamma Emerald]

According to op.

UCV confirmed at some point.

Cool.

Still doesn’t change he hasn’t done anything and voting him for not doing anything is still pointless at this moment

alright theeeeen

[Gamma Emerald]

I also no longer think Pine is scum.

What changed?

[Gamma Emerald]

No. Bad Growlithe! Constant trolling without contributing is funny, but not Towny.

No u

This was worded ambiguously, which is my bad. *Nosferatu* is the one failing to contribute positively, not you. You're trolling in a good way.

Srsly bro, go ISO Nos for me. 43 posts, zero constructive content. Dat scum.

PE: Flubber, Fire is being constructive with his trolling. His mockery is incisive, his sarcasm reveals actual opinions, etc. There's a big difference

You know what I wanna have a chat. Talk with me about why you scumread Flavor.

[Gamma Emerald]

Lots of things? It's not just the claim, though that's part of it. It's an established scumtactic to claim Miller. Ascetic seems to be a common modifier this game, as we've seen several mentions of it, so I think he's some kind of Ascetic scum who didn't think through the ramifications of the Ascetic interaction. The claim was a mistake, obviously, but I think it was a mistake from the scum side of things.

More than that, though, it's the other little things. The way he's reacted to being wagoned stands out. Instead of scumhunting and gamesolving his way out of being suspected, he's focused on his detractors and their suspicions, relying on reputation and allies to aggressively discourage the wagon. I mean, you saw how he tried to buddy up to me, both at my first suspicion of him and now recently, and you saw how TIAM got bullied away from voting him.

He's not really producing much that's worthy of merit on the scumhunting front, and what reads he has stated seem governed by whim and the social side rather than active logic.

So yeah. It's a complex scumread. Not a "lolclaim=scum" read.

I could go for a profil lynch though, if wagoning that will get some momentum.

While I will say any suspicion of the claim is fucking stupid the rest actually seems logical. What you seem to be saying is that his reads are more political than actually motivated by solving. I can kinda see it that way.
For the profii read I think the most recent point is pretty fair but it's not really that big because it could be he actually believes it might help. I could see several explanations for the vote, from pushing activity and being useless with his vote to the aforementioned theory to a lazy distancing play. I'd like to hear your thoughts on his other things he's said.

[Gamma Emerald]

only other ting seems to be his pushing of my absence which kinda pinged me but I haven't looked into it much after lazily townbinning profii

[Gamma Emerald]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

the fuck does this even mean here

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma- how can you kinda see my reads as political? I stated a town read on Firebringer, and stated I no longer think Pine was scum.

I don’t really have any scum reads right now, so I’m just kind of waiting until I see something I find scummy.

I’m paranoid of LUV.

Fire townreads you
I feel like your townread on Pine feels a little strangely timed tbh and I kinda feel like you relied on others (read: me) to badger 2iam out of his read, like I did at least 75% of that
also you keep paranoia SRing people on the hood which doesn't help you

[Gamma Emerald]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

the fuck does this even mean here

SNIP

tl;dr pls

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m not paranoia’ing you or Inferno. Solid town on both of you. Why shouldn’t I go through everyone? Should I have just blindly let them coast? I feel like the paranoia I have is a good thing.

Excuse me you said it yourself in the hood Inferno was a paranoia scumread?

[Gamma Emerald]

oo a me wagon.

either UCV is scum and someone on the wagon is part of a chainsaw
or UCV is town and the whole wagon is town, maybe a late joiner is scum

right o.

False dichotomy. Truth: I think you are scum.

This comes off a little forced, instead of saying "you are scum", thus implying confidence in the read, he says "I think you are scum", which sounds a bit stilted, like scum trying to suggest they have a town thought process.

[Gamma Emerald]

ok then

[Gamma Emerald]

No. And the reason I asked because I can sympathize if you’ve recently loss to a scum team containing members that lurked their way to victory. This doesn’t seem to be the case.

Speaking of roles, why can’t UCV be a PR? Why can’t their be a masonary or another neighborhood?

why are you talking about this? What indicates there might be another hood or a masonry?

[Gamma Emerald]

Recent vote count says UCV requested replacement..

Why didn’t you unvote, profii?

Think about it...

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: inferno

I have a good feeling about this vote, mostly due to the VVW theorem

the what

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: nosferstu

Damnit now why did you have to roll scum

I’ve played with nos many times as both alignments and this is their scum game

They’re way too worried about their appearance; they are more invested and too explanatory. They are tonally in their scum meta

If Mulch is with it I'm with it as well. In a past game I'd locked onto both of them being scum, and I feel like Nos is rather similar to his play that game. This feeling has been simmering in me for a while but I never thought to share it because I wanted to see a bit more.
VOTE: Nosferatu

[Gamma Emerald]

Not really, it's mostly me looking at Emerald's ISO and lining up the things I want to question. His scum reads on Pine don't seem to make a lot of sense, his recent post encouraging LUV to think profii is scum seems off with his previous behavior, he has ignored and dismissed points made against FL if the post containing it even mentions FL's claim.

It seems like they defend FL too much, and some of it by just ignoring good points against them in favor of ridiculing the original reason our attention was grabbed.

Pedit: Yeah, I'm not saying lynch Gamma right now, I find their defenses strange but I'm a lot more focused on FL being scum.

I wasn't arguing that profii was scum there (note the wording, that'll be important later), I was trying to imply profii's vote should've stuck there because the replace out validated his suspicions
PEdit: Mulch and FB knock it off this is pretty much Geriatric lite and as such you really shouldn't be 1v1 spamming like this

[Gamma Emerald]

Hurrah the slot is playing that’s all I wanted

UNVOTE:

this could be scum with Mulch tho, this seems like the "I'm going to drop pressure now that my buddying has been replaced" type of unvote
PEdit: I may have the most posts but if you keep going I guarantee you that won't last long

[Gamma Emerald]

This is scum u

It would make sense for you to say this because it’s scum’s objective to kill townies.

U going to continue talking to me like ur some weird robot with queued responses?

this is not a scumtell. Here's an example.
Scum don't have to read the thread because they already know everyone's alignments
That was used by town initially and robotically spammed in the specific game

[Gamma Emerald]

Join my micro that's in sign-ups pls

[Gamma Emerald]

Hurrah the slot is playing that’s all I wanted

UNVOTE:

this could be scum with Mulch tho, this seems like the "I'm going to drop pressure now that my buddying has been replaced" type of unvote
PEdit: I may have the most posts but if you keep going I guarantee you that won't last long

i don't like this association tbh. feels forced.

but i think gammas town. just a bad post.

hi mulch.


profii is probably my strongest TR right now.

Agreed

Gamma does a lot of scummy things as town I wouldent sorry about it


Vote nos with me?

I don't think Arch meant it that way

[Gamma Emerald]

wait I thought delayed was EXPLICITLY not allowed in normals

[Gamma Emerald]

triple voter is a grelist role iirc
but like I definitely recall it being in the blacklist for modifiers

[Gamma Emerald]

in a game this size it's borderline
plus flavor says assemble is one of the crazier mods so it makes sense he'd try that

[Gamma Emerald]

Woah, did we just ignore someone fakelclaim

It was sarcastic, implausible, and immediately retracted. Don't get hung up on dumb stuff.

Hey pot
meet kettle

[Gamma Emerald]

Beefster – Don't like the way he's entered into the thread, i know this is exactly what people said about me but his conclusions don't really feel real. I don't know how familiar he is with 2iam but the confidence in that read there doesn't seem real and the "one scum in nsg or nosferatu" doesn't make sense to me at all.

idk about this read, beef's felt quite genuine imo
I also feel like Mulch is town
This has me a bit concerned about being wrong on Pine in addition to thinking there's a chance NSG is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Woah, did we just ignore someone fakelclaim

It was sarcastic, implausible, and immediately retracted. Don't get hung up on dumb stuff.

Hey pot
meet kettle

hey pine this is a post you should be responding to

[Gamma Emerald]

Woah, did we just ignore someone fakelclaim

It was sarcastic, implausible, and immediately retracted. Don't get hung up on dumb stuff.

Hey pot
meet kettle

hey pine this is a post you should be responding to

I already did. You're alleging that the two situations are similar. I am contending that they're entirely different.

No they're not. Flavor's claim meets two of the criteria you gave, plus was never meant to be taken seriously given Flavor let Assemble use it in Grand Idea. The fact you have this double standard for claims makes me think at the very least you are completely tunnel visioned into your scumread of flavor that you can't rcognize when you destroy your argument, or you could just be scum with arch and be defending him while pushing flavor who did something similar to what you're defending arch for.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah she does

Not in the game we were scum together

which one?

[Gamma Emerald]

Archwing can you talk to me about your scum reads on redflavor and Flubber? I don't recall either being called scum so far..

IMO, Flubber is an OG version of Assemble. Lurky playstyle, doesn't post much, doesn't get too involved and throws out (apparently) random reads now and then. I dislike it, and find it hard to read. TBH it kinda lines up with what I was saying about Firebringer.... I'm not 100% sure how to read Flubber, it's kinda more of a gut thing. I've only played with him once (him town, me scum) and I've read a couple games with him in it. I get vibes. Not exactly my first lynch for today.

Redflavor is not being Redflavor. He's quiet, not really scumhunting, not active at all... I don't like it so much. Not the redflavor I'm used to seeing (which isn't much, but I've seen more of Red than I have of flubber).

I think your suspicions of flavor are actually pretty valid
He's definitely more active as town

[Gamma Emerald]

yeh i just checked the wiki, lyncher is explicitly non-normal. sorry friendo!

this feels a bit tonally off, why are you apologizing

[Gamma Emerald]

meh ok

[Gamma Emerald]

can someone tell me what the fuck they find suspicious about beef because I think he's town and no one has given a solid read other than like nsg and even then I didn't get much out of it

[Gamma Emerald]

can someone tell me what the fuck they find suspicious about beef because I think he's town and no one has given a solid read other than like nsg and even then I didn't get much out of it

Some of the things he has said has been a big "wut?" to me. I can try and fish out quotes but I think he said somethings that just don't make any Goddamn sense.

Idk I feel like what he's said is sensible and also feels natural

[Gamma Emerald]

can someone tell me what wooden even means
also profii why did you let UCV go just because he flaked, I thought you'd brought something up about him not liking scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

And that's a reason to lynch him? Also I feel like Inferno's kinda been obvtown

[Gamma Emerald]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

And that's a reason to lynch him? Also I feel like Inferno's kinda been obvtown

Yeah, I don't feel he's obvtown, and a bad read list can lead to lynching town.

Again: bad reads are not scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

And that's a reason to lynch him? Also I feel like Inferno's kinda been obvtown

Yeah, I don't feel he's obvtown, and a bad read list can lead to lynching town.

Again: bad reads are not scummy

They can be. If I'm scum and I purposefully list all town as my reads how is that not scummy?

it's not scummy because there isn't any malice shown in the reads yet. Show me how Inferno is pushing mislynches as scum vs just being wrong town.

[Gamma Emerald]

depends on how he carries on from here

[Gamma Emerald]

Ascetic miller neighbor claim is probably a joke.

VOTE: Nictis

It's a chainsaw defense, but I'll roll with this for now.

Rather than descend into the dpeths of madness wrt the claim he decides it's a joke. I feel like scum would prefer to hop on it. Could be possibly he's trying to play as the deep wolf here but the thought still feels fresh.

Flavor Leaf is town.
Fakeclaiming to get out of RVS is just not something I see coming from scum.

A very nuanced thought imo, even though the read on the situation is wrong.

FoS: 2inamillion

I'll back off FL amid public pressure but I still think he's scum ftr.

UNVOTE:

Okay. I don't even care if this is a lolhammer anymore.

VOTE: twoinamillion

Die, scum.

Lots of people actually got on beef's ass on these but like it's a totally sensible thing I've done before. It shows he's being careful with is vote, and only voting when he feels confident enough to not care about what the wagon state as because the possibility of hammering scum is enough to outweigh the loss of discussion.

With Pine and Nos both zeroing in on petty details, I think I can say semi-reasonably that at least one of the two is scum.

I don't know what to say about Mulch. I could kind of see it going either way with him.

This is a pretty natural thought imo wrt to Pine and Nos

[Gamma Emerald]

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

Why don't you do a background check instead of lazily FOSing someone for having reads you dislike

[Gamma Emerald]

or you could respond without quoting a 10+ quote pyramid. just a thought

[Gamma Emerald]

I think two’s town.

wow you're terrible
I'm thinking maybe Flavorleaf and 2iam could be scum who had a planned out distancing push and townread thing
VOTE: Twoinamillion

[Gamma Emerald]

Stop voting 2inamillion

you're terrible for not finding his recent actions suspicious at all

[Gamma Emerald]

I think two’s town.

wow you're terrible
I'm thinking maybe Flavorleaf and 2iam could be scum who had a planned out distancing push and townread thing
VOTE: Twoinamillion

Confirmation bias.

How the heck is this confirmation bias?

Because he says he thinks its true so it must be true. There's no actual reasoning behind it.

Of course I have a reason to think it. And I don't think it's 100% but I feel like it's indicated by interactions pretty significantly.

[Gamma Emerald]

oshit 2iam might actually be town. 985 & 990 are decent posts.

how the fuck is 985 decent
nice job pulling a read out of your ass

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, I'm starting to find your push on TIAM a little odd. Why are you berating anyone who disagrees with the wagon?

I'm berating people just blindly defending him
I think I experienced a similar pushback last time I caught out scum!2iam

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.

VOTE: Quick

lolwut
I mean Quick said something bordering on scumslip in the hood but why do you think it's a good vote?

[Gamma Emerald]

Just reading his ISO, it seems ...ok... i guess, the main thing i didnt like was that he initally calls Gamma a bit wooden but then doesnt put him in his lists of people who should die. I didnt really notice him come round and say ok you're town so not sure why he dropped out of the read list there.

quick wasn't convinced it was a scum wooden

[Gamma Emerald]

wait egg was in TM

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.

VOTE: Quick

lolwut
I mean Quick said something bordering on scumslip in the hood but why do you think it's a good vote?

You're just laughing at me for the sake of laughing at me.

Replacing out because you don't like someone you are playing with supposedly reiks of scum to me.

That's a bad reason to suspect someone, also while it's fun to laugh at you it's not why I said that, it was meant to convey a "what" spoken while kinda chuckling

[Gamma Emerald]

Quick said he wasn’t aware when he replaced in, yet in the neighborhood he brought up trying to policy before I even started posting. He then made a case on me.

Can someone else in the hood please confirm/deny this?

I can confirm this. Recall how I stated Quick made a post that could be interpreted as a scumslip? It was him saying he was going to policy Flavor. I found it odd he told the hood he would do it rather then, you know, just doing it.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't even know what hood we are talking about

what teh fuck
it's been a point of contention the whole game

[Gamma Emerald]

idk they just were

[Gamma Emerald]

are you okay, you're getting progressively more stupid

[Gamma Emerald]

so Flubber is what 2iam claims to be but with a proven history
lol

[Gamma Emerald]

That's where you're wrong, I can be this antagonistic as town

[Gamma Emerald]

how do you know nothing about the hood...

[Gamma Emerald]

okay
I was basically testing you for deliberate ignorance, you passed

[Gamma Emerald]

are we happy ending the day here?

[Gamma Emerald]

but like I don't want d1 to drag on

[Gamma Emerald]

game replacement flaked so lol

[Gamma Emerald]

kmd who?

[Gamma Emerald]

I liked LUV and Quicks reason to replace out is maybe understandable
but 2iam opportunistically jumped to their wagon and said "its golden"

VOTE: twoinamillion

why are you making ti about LUV

[Gamma Emerald]

the whole policy thing sounds like something you say to scumbuddies, not neighbors.

talk with me about this, do you have an idea of what he said?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Mordin Solus
I don't see us not lynching this today

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

lol scumclaim
cbf to cfd now, lets just hammer quick

[Gamma Emerald]

and your policy was...?
plus you can say whatever you want but my vote made quick the defacto leading wagon

[Gamma Emerald]

how the fuck is replacing out policy worthy

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi all. I haven't read the latest 10 pages of so, but hope to finish them soon.

VOTE: Mordin Solus
I don't see us not lynching this today

This is the LUV slot, right? I can get behind this lynch.

VOTE: Mordin

Not interested in this game rn

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:

Both of these unvotes look suspicious to me. Gamma, why did you call out Nos, but not Fire?

Was Fire on Mordin?

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess Fire also falls under suspicion for that but like a) I wasn't town reading Nos previously so while both looks worse from it Nos is kinda at a critical level wheras it just docks some towniness from Fire and b) Nos' was just a naked unvote, Fire actually did shit

[Gamma Emerald]

Scum:
2iam
Inferno
Arch
Nos
maybe Mulch
maybe Gamma

Vote nos then

Nah.

VOTE: Mulch

why are you suspecting Mulch? Same goes for me and Inferno tbh.

[Gamma Emerald]

The only thing I'm rock solid on between flavor leaf and quick is that they're not scum together.

Agreed. That would have hit boiling point faster if that were the case.

[Gamma Emerald]

You didn't give a fucking reason

[Gamma Emerald]

So your policy was just to lynch to not necessitate a replacement? wat

[Gamma Emerald]

That's not a real policy vote
a policy vote is meant to be a punishment for being a bad player, so policying someone who is replacing doesn't really work because the sting of the policy is not there

[Gamma Emerald]

not all policy's are to punish, this is a policy in the sense that its a policy of mine.

my old site had frequent problems finding replacements so it was normal to lynch replace outs.

I had no preference for a lynch so I supported a wagon on the slot that replaced out twice.

not that complex.

okay then
still think your timing is suss af though, no explanation will change that

[Gamma Emerald]

I honestly think I want to let Mordin stick around just to see him post for a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

can someone tell me what the fuck they find suspicious about beef because I think he's town and no one has given a solid read other than like nsg and even then I didn't get much out of it

Some of the things he has said has been a big "wut?" to me. I can try and fish out quotes but I think he said somethings that just don't make any Goddamn sense.

Idk I feel like what he's said is sensible and also feels natural

Like how you felt that FL was sensible and accurate when they said I was trying to dictate the 'Right' way to play Mafia?

I don't quite recall that but what were you trying to do then?

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

Ascetic miller neighbor claim is probably a joke.

VOTE: Nictis

It's a chainsaw defense, but I'll roll with this for now.

Rather than descend into the dpeths of madness wrt the claim he decides it's a joke. I feel like scum would prefer to hop on it. Could be possibly he's trying to play as the deep wolf here but the thought still feels fresh.

yeah, that's a shallow read and his reason for voting Nictis is based on chainsaw defense which is extremely weak.

Flavor Leaf is town.
Fakeclaiming to get out of RVS is just not something I see coming from scum.

A very nuanced thought imo, even though the read on the situation is wrong.

You think THAT is nuanced? Flavor could be doing anything and it ends up a big pile of nothing. It's not a nuanced read/thought, it's reading a player as Town who hasn't done a damn thing out of their Scum range.

FoS: 2inamillion

I'll back off FL amid public pressure but I still think he's scum ftr.

UNVOTE:

Okay. I don't even care if this is a lolhammer anymore.

VOTE: twoinamillion

Die, scum.

Lots of people actually got on beef's ass on these but like it's a totally sensible thing I've done before. It shows he's being careful with is vote, and only voting when he feels confident enough to not care about what the wagon state as because the possibility of hammering scum is enough to outweigh the loss of discussion.

You realize that you are encouraging YOLO hammers right? What on earth makes you think that is a good idea AT ALL? TIAM is probably the biggest lynch bait in this game and you think it's a good idea for someone to vote them for giving a read that isn't even particularly Scummy.

With Pine and Nos both zeroing in on petty details, I think I can say semi-reasonably that at least one of the two is scum.

I don't know what to say about Mulch. I could kind of see it going either way with him.

This is a pretty natural thought imo wrt to Pine and Nos

Beef gave a TvS argument and like 95%+ TvS reads I see are dead wrong. You're just encouraging poor play at this point.

dunno what the point of this was but hey thanks for pointing out that post because I think I have some stuff I wanna say about it.

I'm interested in this in general. They seem to have a vested interest in certain players not being lynched.

I try to push for getting my scumreads lynched, yes. Curious you phrase it that way.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, and he said he didn't know FL was in the game before he replaced in. I don't see the inconsistency here at all. If he found out that FL is in this game after he joined the game/replaced in, and before he made that post, there is absolute consistency.

and yet he said he wanted to policy flavor before he had that realization

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah no
a little bit before voting flavor leaf quick commented on the hood he was considering pushing a pl on flavor
and then 6 hours later quick replaces out
I don't see any issues in my interpretation of the timeline

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree with everyone on this page.

I don’t think scum hasn’t posted on this page.

are you out of your mind, legit there's no way both me and Ausuka can be right

[Gamma Emerald]

we've discussed this: encryptor is possible

[Gamma Emerald]

it's also reasonably possible that the moon landing was faked

no it's not lmao
but w/e I'll let you think what you think

[Gamma Emerald]

I liked LUV and Quicks reason to replace out is maybe understandable
but 2iam opportunistically jumped to their wagon and said "its golden"

VOTE: twoinamillion

why are you making ti about LUV

Making what?

the replacing out situation
he blanket flaked, his replace was obviously understandable so like why did you feel the need to comment on it

[Gamma Emerald]

while I think a 2iam wagon is good we really shouldn't be lynching anyone other than mordin today

[Gamma Emerald]

I could see Mulch doing that as a ploy, tbh to get me able to be night killed.

:shrug: I’m town reading Mulch, though, but would be some nice scum pla.

What ploy

Tinfoil theory of you hard hard town reading me, then getting town cred by killing me off.

I don’t necessarily think it’s happening, as I sincerely town read you, but the longer the game goes the more I’ll lock it in. I’ll see if my tinfoil is just that: a theory.

@infern - the thing I talked about earlier. You’re fine, though, I’m not pushing that or even using it as any sort of AI thing. Just something to remember if you flipped scum, specifically encryptor.

idg what towncred that nets mulch

[Gamma Emerald]

mafia neighbor encryptor seems within the bounds of normal, neighbor is a modifier so it can have a role as well

[Gamma Emerald]

Usually I don't like scumslips as tells but this might actually be one. It's possible he's town and wants to know if anyone thinks either are SvS but meh. Probably not worth lynching for but I'll take it into account.

lmao you just fucked up big time
you don't comment at all on me saying Quick's proposal to policy Flavor in our hood could be a slip but you nudge Inferno's possible slip? Thanks for tying yourself to Quick.
Upon Quick scumflip this dies 110%

[Gamma Emerald]

ok I got that wrong but there's still the issue of you pushing that one but not Quick
I stand by what I said earlier, Quick scumflip necessitates an Ausuka lynch

[Gamma Emerald]

How is "what do you think of these interactions" not on the same level as "I'm thinking of policy lynching Flavor"?

[Gamma Emerald]

lol damage is done bro
the way they said it so matter-of-factly like it was already planned out sounded like a post scum would make like "hey I'm gonna push this PL so just be ready"

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma Emerald, Inferno390, Mordin Solus

Wow, this is quite the gaff. You really think 3/4 in the hood are scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not sure that being mean or nice equates to being town or scum.

It's just cheeky flavor

[Gamma Emerald]

Not all of you are scum for sure, but I think 1-2 of you are, probably 2. You've all been scummy individually.

I don't think Gamma and Mordin can be on the same team.

Are you saying we're TvS or not SvS?

[Gamma Emerald]

Egg+north+3

why are you thinkin 5 scum

[Gamma Emerald]

is 20 players

[Gamma Emerald]

The only people that are wanting to lynch me are scum. I'm pretty sure I won't be lynched. Wanting to vote someone based on time remaining is AtE.

Alright then.

Pretty much anyone that has anything intelligent to say is saying I am town.

This is a horrible post though. He's discrediting anyone who thinks he is scum as unintelligent. I feel like this is a scum type of post.

[Gamma Emerald]

What happens if votes are tied at the top ?

Where I played previously it was dice roll

first person to reach that number is lynched.

[Gamma Emerald]

The only people that are wanting to lynch me are scum. I'm pretty sure I won't be lynched. Wanting to vote someone based on time remaining is AtE.

Alright then.

Pretty much anyone that has anything intelligent to say is saying I am town.

This is a horrible post though. He's discrediting anyone who thinks he is scum as unintelligent. I feel like this is a scum type of post.

Well, if you can provide a good case against me then I will be proven wrong, but there isn't one.

I actually feel like your further responses to people's reactions to that actually decrease the scumminess of that post, since you're not continuing to insult the people voting you but explaining the wagons that aren't you are more logical. It still pings me but it's not to the point where I feel like I would try to run you up using that specifically.

[Gamma Emerald]

Inferno I don't see your point.

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact that two didn’t even switch off of beefster until now is incredibly anti scum agenda.

This is a good point tbh

[Gamma Emerald]

TwoInAMillion (6)

~

Egg, northsidegal, RedFlavor, Inferno390, Beefster, Flubbernugget

Mordin Solus (7)

~

Flavor Leaf, Archwing, Gamma Emerald, texcat, Ausuka, TwoInAMillion, Mulch

there's no overlap at all, which is interesting

probably because iirc that's where they're at now

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah that statement by flavor about what your post was actually makes no fucking sense now that I'm looking at it again. Like nowhere did you say anything was bad play you just said you thought the claim was not town

[Gamma Emerald]

Pretty much anyone that has anything intelligent to say is saying I am town.

This is a horrible post though. He's discrediting anyone who thinks he is scum as unintelligent. I feel like this is a scum type of post.

So what you're saying is that when you call people terrible and unintelligent, that's more likely to come from scum!gamma, since you see it as a scumtell?

No jackass, I'm saying I think scum are more likely to attack the intelligence of players like this. Nice job twisting my words, but all it did was make me want your neck roped more.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah and you were doing the same stuff earlier by discrediting and attacking anyone who disagreed with your TIAM read. but hey, you called me a jackass, so that means you must be correct and telling the truth!

lolno
I didn't once call someone unintelligent for not suspecting 2iam. I may have done other things but saying I did that is a straight lie.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think two’s town.

wow you're terrible

Stop voting 2inamillion

you're terrible

i mean, yeah, you did. it's not on the wrong side of the "attack the play, not the player" rule but it directly implies that these players are terrible and bad and shouldn't be listened to.

It's not calling them unintelligent though. The instant you tried to say it was equivalent was the moment you lost the argument.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think two’s town.

wow you're terrible

Stop voting 2inamillion

you're terrible

i mean, yeah, you did. it's not on the wrong side of the "attack the play, not the player" rule but it directly implies that these players are terrible and bad and shouldn't be listened to.

I don’t think it’s that bad :p

Well, yeah. I'm trying to say that Gamma seeing the kind of behaviours he's displayed in this game as scummy makes more sense from gamma!scum than gamma!town, because if he does it as town he would think it's towny or NAI, but if he does it as scum it makes sense that he would think of it as scummy.

How about the fact I called a scum out CORRECTLY on pretty much the same shit in another game? I was kinda after a dude, they attacked my skills like twice in succession and I went "hell no this is discrediting me".

[Gamma Emerald]

Fine.

But when TIAM ends up being red, no one's allowed to say I'm bad at mafia ever again.

Scummy

what the fuck how

[Gamma Emerald]

are you 12? go back to tunneling town.

no he's not otherwise he wouldn't be here. also I'm gonna go check something out

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah it looks like nos was lowkey scumreading inferno, thus making his "keep tunneling town" comment feel a bit like a perspective slip

[Gamma Emerald]

Ahh, apologies, much work recently.

VOTE: Mordin Solus

Disagreeable position, but, seem to have forgotten who team members are. Associations problematic!

Good luck.

is this an eagerSnake alt

[Gamma Emerald]

Texcat/Nictis

I feel like one of them are definitely lock scum.

why?
also I'm gonna make a guess that scum were on the mordin wagon