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[Quick]

can someone tell me what the fuck they find suspicious about beef because I think he's town and no one has given a solid read other than like nsg and even then I didn't get much out of it

Some of the things he has said has been a big "wut?" to me. I can try and fish out quotes but I think he said somethings that just don't make any Goddamn sense.

Idk I feel like what he's said is sensible and also feels natural

I haven't ISO'd them, but from what I saw, I saw a lot of really weird stuff. What did you agree with with what they said since page 33?

[Quick]

can someone tell me what wooden even means
also profii why did you let UCV go just because he flaked, I thought you'd brought something up about him not liking scum

To me it's a combination that your words ring a bit hollow and seems like you are just going through the motions.

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ascetic miller neighbor claim is probably a joke.

VOTE: Nictis

It's a chainsaw defense, but I'll roll with this for now.

Rather than descend into the dpeths of madness wrt the claim he decides it's a joke. I feel like scum would prefer to hop on it. Could be possibly he's trying to play as the deep wolf here but the thought still feels fresh.

Flavor Leaf is town.
Fakeclaiming to get out of RVS is just not something I see coming from scum.

A very nuanced thought imo, even though the read on the situation is wrong.

FoS: 2inamillion

I'll back off FL amid public pressure but I still think he's scum ftr.

UNVOTE:

Okay. I don't even care if this is a lolhammer anymore.

VOTE: twoinamillion

Die, scum.

Lots of people actually got on beef's ass on these but like it's a totally sensible thing I've done before. It shows he's being careful with is vote, and only voting when he feels confident enough to not care about what the wagon state as because the possibility of hammering scum is enough to outweigh the loss of discussion.

With Pine and Nos both zeroing in on petty details, I think I can say semi-reasonably that at least one of the two is scum.

I don't know what to say about Mulch. I could kind of see it going either way with him.

This is a pretty natural thought imo wrt to Pine and Nos

[Quick]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

Why don't you do a background check instead of lazily FOSing someone for having reads you dislike

[Quick]

Ascetic miller neighbor claim is probably a joke.

VOTE: Nictis

It's a chainsaw defense, but I'll roll with this for now.

Rather than descend into the dpeths of madness wrt the claim he decides it's a joke. I feel like scum would prefer to hop on it. Could be possibly he's trying to play as the deep wolf here but the thought still feels fresh.

yeah, that's a shallow read and his reason for voting Nictis is based on chainsaw defense which is extremely weak.

Flavor Leaf is town.
Fakeclaiming to get out of RVS is just not something I see coming from scum.

A very nuanced thought imo, even though the read on the situation is wrong.

You think THAT is nuanced? Flavor could be doing anything and it ends up a big pile of nothing. It's not a nuanced read/thought, it's reading a player as Town who hasn't done a damn thing out of their Scum range.

FoS: 2inamillion

I'll back off FL amid public pressure but I still think he's scum ftr.

UNVOTE:

Okay. I don't even care if this is a lolhammer anymore.

VOTE: twoinamillion

Die, scum.

Lots of people actually got on beef's ass on these but like it's a totally sensible thing I've done before. It shows he's being careful with is vote, and only voting when he feels confident enough to not care about what the wagon state as because the possibility of hammering scum is enough to outweigh the loss of discussion.

You realize that you are encouraging YOLO hammers right? What on earth makes you think that is a good idea AT ALL? TIAM is probably the biggest lynch bait in this game and you think it's a good idea for someone to vote them for giving a read that isn't even particularly Scummy.

With Pine and Nos both zeroing in on petty details, I think I can say semi-reasonably that at least one of the two is scum.

I don't know what to say about Mulch. I could kind of see it going either way with him.

This is a pretty natural thought imo wrt to Pine and Nos

Beef gave a TvS argument and like 95%+ TvS reads I see are dead wrong. You're just encouraging poor play at this point.

[Quick]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

And you didn't ask them what their reasoning was so how the hell do you know how they got those reads?

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

And you didn't ask them what their reasoning was so how the hell do you know how they got those reads?

I don't think I should have to ask for people to not give randomly bad reads and give reasoning.

[Quick]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

And you didn't ask them what their reasoning was so how the hell do you know how they got those reads?

I don't think I should have to ask for people to not give randomly bad reads and give reasoning.

How do you know their reads are bad?

[TwoInAMillion]

I disagree with most of Inferno's read list.

VOTE: Inferno

This is gross.

Explain.

Even SRing someone for having a Reads list that is different than yours is pushing it pretty hard. Definitely not vote worthy. Like, in order for you to know that their reads are wrong in the first place either you have to be Scum or have perfect reads and it's fucking D1, so someone having a readslist you don't agree with and voting them for that is such garbage it's not even funny.

Plus you are being really results oriented and assuming your reads are correct for your read to have any merit whatsoever and both are not a good way to get a read. It's also an extremely shallow read considering you would first have to know the players reasons for each of their reads in their readslist and then have to refute their reasoning for each one which you are not doing at all.

I disagree with 4 of his 6 reads fundamentally. To me that means that there's a fair chance he might be on the other team than me.

Right, and I am telling you that is shit. Look at what they do and their reasoning, not just their reads.

I think your reads are a major part of "what they do" They didn't provide reasoning, they just said this is who we should be lynching.

And you didn't ask them what their reasoning was so how the hell do you know how they got those reads?

I don't think I should have to ask for people to not give randomly bad reads and give reasoning.

How do you know their reads are bad?

Because I am pretty confident in my game based on my record.

[Archwing]

can y'all stop flooding the thread with garbage?

[Archwing]

I was null on LUV, and since quick took over I'm thinking town lean. I like his analysis thus far.

[TwoInAMillion]

can y'all stop flooding the thread with garbage?

Blame quick, not me, my point was valid.

[Archwing]

or you could respond without quoting a 10+ quote pyramid. just a thought

[Flavor Leaf]

Archwing can you talk to me about your scum reads on redflavor and Flubber? I don't recall either being called scum so far..

IMO, Flubber is an OG version of Assemble. Lurky playstyle, doesn't post much, doesn't get too involved and throws out (apparently) random reads now and then. I dislike it, and find it hard to read. TBH it kinda lines up with what I was saying about Firebringer.... I'm not 100% sure how to read Flubber, it's kinda more of a gut thing. I've only played with him once (him town, me scum) and I've read a couple games with him in it. I get vibes. Not exactly my first lynch for today.

Redflavor is not being Redflavor. He's quiet, not really scumhunting, not active at all... I don't like it so much. Not the redflavor I'm used to seeing (which isn't much, but I've seen more of Red than I have of flubber).

I think your suspicions of flavor are actually pretty valid
He's definitely more active as town

I’m not consistently active in any games. I’ve gotten over 1k posts as both scum and town, and have had under 50 posts as both scum and town. Actually, not sure if that’s true for scum. I tend to ignore games sometimes when i’m Town because it’s a lot of work to figure things out.

I also start shit posting and not doing much yet still post when I’m town

[Archwing]

hey boon.

i know you're popular and all.

but that was

RED

flavor.

[Flavor Leaf]

Everyone keeps saying things like “this isn’t out of Flavor’s scum range”

I mean, okay, nothings out of my scum range. You could use that for anything.

Easiest way to figure that out is to just let the game go further. I’m EASY to read late game.

[Flavor Leaf]

hey boon.

i know you're popular and all.

but that was

RED

flavor.

I was responding to something Quick said while quoting a Gamma post referring to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, it quoted something. I didn’t mean to quote that. Yeah, you’re right Arch. That’s my bad

[Gamma Emerald]

or you could respond without quoting a 10+ quote pyramid. just a thought

[TwoInAMillion]

Oh no, I'm communicating with other players, I MUST be scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

or you could respond without quoting a 10+ quote pyramid. just a thought

[Flavor Leaf]

I think two’s town.