Suspect? What have I done that's suspect?In post 1344, Flavor Leaf wrote:Can we not lynch two.
Also, Inferno replied to my comment in the neighborhood about that, so his post there is suspect. Regardless, I still want either LUV slot or Beef, but Mulch said Beef is town.
I see 2iam as town. :shrug:
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Tinfoil theory of you hard hard town reading me, then getting town cred by killing me off.In post 1348, Mulch wrote:
What ployIn post 1346, Flavor Leaf wrote:I could see Mulch doing that as a ploy, tbh to get me able to be night killed.
:shrug: I’m town reading Mulch, though, but would be some nice scum pla.
I don’t necessarily think it’s happening, as I sincerely town read you, but the longer the game goes the more I’ll lock it in. I’ll see if my tinfoil is just that: a theory.
@infern - the thing I talked about earlier. You’re fine, though, I’m not pushing that or even using it as any sort of AI thing. Just something to remember if you flipped scum, specifically encryptor.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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idg what towncred that nets mulchIn post 1351, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Tinfoil theory of you hard hard town reading me, then getting town cred by killing me off.In post 1348, Mulch wrote:
What ployIn post 1346, Flavor Leaf wrote:I could see Mulch doing that as a ploy, tbh to get me able to be night killed.
:shrug: I’m town reading Mulch, though, but would be some nice scum pla.
I don’t necessarily think it’s happening, as I sincerely town read you, but the longer the game goes the more I’ll lock it in. I’ll see if my tinfoil is just that: a theory.
@infern - the thing I talked about earlier. You’re fine, though, I’m not pushing that or even using it as any sort of AI thing. Just something to remember if you flipped scum, specifically encryptor.<Embrace The Void>
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What thing? And you really think the encryptor would be in the neighborhood?In post 1351, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Tinfoil theory of you hard hard town reading me, then getting town cred by killing me off.In post 1348, Mulch wrote:
What ployIn post 1346, Flavor Leaf wrote:I could see Mulch doing that as a ploy, tbh to get me able to be night killed.
:shrug: I’m town reading Mulch, though, but would be some nice scum pla.
I don’t necessarily think it’s happening, as I sincerely town read you, but the longer the game goes the more I’ll lock it in. I’ll see if my tinfoil is just that: a theory.
@infern - the thing I talked about earlier. You’re fine, though, I’m not pushing that or even using it as any sort of AI thing. Just something to remember if you flipped scum, specifically encryptor."Do I have permission to....refute some of the bs that Inferno just spewed out?"--TywinL
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1) Yeah, and what I'm saying is that it feels like you're scum doing tunnels to look like town. I'm not familiar with your towngame, but if your towngame is getting into tunnels, that isn't exactly a difficult meta to replicate. In general, if you want to replicate your meta, it's fairly easy to do.In post 1306, Inferno390 wrote:
1) Of course it's something scum can do. But it's also something town can do. and it's something I do all the time as town. But you think I'm so good at being scum (despite the fact that this would be my first game ever as scum) that I can accurately mimic my town game in a game full of people I've played with before recently and get people commenting on my play about how it resembles my town game from previous games?In post 1287, Ausuka wrote:
Why are you acting like tunnels are something that scum cannot do? It's like the easiest thing. All you have to do is pick one player and scumread them constantly.In post 1283, Inferno390 wrote:
So you're tellling me that on my first scum game ever, I'm good enough to replicate my towngame accurately enough that people notice that it's tunnely?In post 1280, Ausuka wrote:what, and you can't fake a tunnel as scum?
No that's not what I'm saying at all. You're tunnely as either alignment, sure. What I'm saying is that I think you're scum, who is doing tunnels to try and look like tunnely town.In post 1283, Inferno390 wrote: And this proves nothing. You've literally just turned your argument into NAI. If tunnely town is my meta and I can fake it this well as scum, that means I can do it as either alignment, which means you can get nothing from it in terms of reading me.
2) But if I'm tunnely as either alignment, how can you say anything about my alignment based on my tunneling?
See? NAI.
I feel like I've been sideswiped by scum!Ausuka becasue I've been on TIAM as scum, and she's calling my tunnel "scummy" to try and get me to back off/draw my attention away.
2) because it feels like you're scum doing tunnels to look like tunnely town. the act of you doing tunnels is not the AI thing.
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I was told by FL this was why people are scumreading Quick, and I had literally just replaced in. Personal attacks are not cool, especially when I never did anything wrong.In post 1307, Inferno390 wrote:
Well, to be honest, you are bluntly avoiding the whole point of why that wagon formed.In post 1286, Ausuka wrote:
oh so I've been in this game for one day and you're already personally attacking me. beautiful.In post 1282, Inferno390 wrote:
You're not really this thick, right?In post 1260, Ausuka wrote:
so people were pushing Quick as scum for this? Really?In post 1048, Quick wrote:Yeah, I'd rather not.
@MOD, I am replacing out
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I'm only on page 15 rn but I don't feel like egg has been that scummy.
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This doesn't make much sense to me.In post 1320, Mulch wrote:Scummy
Almost a scumslip
I don’t think town look to check there
VOTE: nosferatu
Usually I don't like scumslips as tells but this might actually be one. It's possible he's town and wants to know if anyone thinks either are SvS but meh. Probably not worth lynching for but I'll take it into account.In post 1318, Flavor Leaf wrote:So Inferno made a comment in the neighborhood stating “do you think theinteractions with me/Ausuka and me/Twoinamillion are weird?”
Seems like it could have been meant for a scum pt.In post 1334, RedFlavor wrote:
Making what?In post 1201, Gamma Emerald wrote:
why are you making ti about LUVIn post 1154, RedFlavor wrote:I liked LUV and Quicks reason to replace out is maybe understandable
but 2iam opportunistically jumped to their wagon and said "its golden"
VOTE: twoinamillionyeah I think RF is town this game.
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lmao you just fucked up big timeIn post 1358, Ausuka wrote:Usually I don't like scumslips as tells but this might actually be one. It's possible he's town and wants to know if anyone thinks either are SvS but meh. Probably not worth lynching for but I'll take it into account.
you don't comment at all on me saying Quick's proposal to policy Flavor in our hood could be a slip but you nudge Inferno's possible slip? Thanks for tying yourself to Quick.
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i've literally already commented on it. go away.In post 1359, Gamma Emerald wrote:
lmao you just fucked up big timeIn post 1358, Ausuka wrote:Usually I don't like scumslips as tells but this might actually be one. It's possible he's town and wants to know if anyone thinks either are SvS but meh. Probably not worth lynching for but I'll take it into account.
you don't comment at all on me saying Quick's proposal to policy Flavor in our hood could be a slip but you nudge Inferno's possible slip? Thanks for tying yourself to Quick.
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like, what do you think this is.In post 1291, Ausuka wrote:
I don't get your point. What I think is that Quick joined the game not knowing FL was in it, realised FL was in it, tried to deal with him/policy lynch him/whatever, and then he got fed up and just decided to replace out. All Quick said in that post was that he didn't realise FL was in the game when he replaced in and I don't really think you can disprove that at all. Unless you're saying that he said explicitly in the neighbourhood "Let's policy lynch FL" and then said afterwards "I only just realised FL was in this game."In post 1289, Gamma Emerald wrote:
and yet he said he wanted to policy flavor before he had that realizationIn post 1286, Ausuka wrote:Yeah, and he said he didn't know FL was in the game before he replaced in. I don't see the inconsistency here at all. If he found out that FL is in this game after he joined the game/replaced in, and before he made that post, there is absolute consistency.Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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that's because I don't think quick scumslipped, which you would know if you were actually evaluating the game instead of looking for things to push.In post 1362, Gamma Emerald wrote:ok I got that wrong but there's still the issue of you pushing that one but not Quick
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first one sounds like asking a buddy if they think an interaction looks scummy. second one is literally just saying you want to policy lynch someone, and LQ replaced out because he didn't like playing with flavor, so I don't see why a PL is an impossible thing to suggest. no reason that's a scumslip. to be fair Inferno's probably wasn't a scumslip either thinking about it again but whatever.In post 1364, Gamma Emerald wrote:How is "what do you think of these interactions" not on the same level as "I'm thinking of policy lynching Flavor"?Reach for my hand, I'll soar away into the dawn-
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what. that is not a scumslip at all. that's just someone talking in a certain way.In post 1366, Gamma Emerald wrote:lol damage is done bro
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Catching up now, p. 43.
Now you want to remove a neighbor?In post 1053, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Let’s all just “quick”lynch the slot so Assemble doesn’t have to replace. Plus, it gets one of the neighbors out.In post 1051, TwoInAMillion wrote:Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.
VOTE: QuickWhat policy are you talking about here?
It's pretty relevant, Nos was asking about why he was complaining about people calling reads 'bad' on Day 1.In post 1061, profii wrote:whilst I entirely agree with the point egg is making... it's not relevant at all. sorry
Not really? You don't want to play a game with people you hate, regardless of if you're on their team or not. Also, none of that was laughing at you.In post 1074, TwoInAMillion wrote:
You're just laughing at me for the sake of laughing at me.In post 1070, Gamma Emerald wrote:
lolwutIn post 1051, TwoInAMillion wrote:Flavor Leaf thinks anyone's reasons for voting him are bad. but in this case his vote looks golden.
VOTE: Quick
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This makes sense.In post 1081, Flavor Leaf wrote:I mean, I thought Quick was scummy anyways, and usually I can town read him easily when he’s town. This mixed in with LUV being a bit off before he replaced, along with the neighborhood, I actually scum read the slot.
In the neighborhood, he talked about trying to policy me, then went and made an alignment case rather than explain why the policy.
I actually think the slot is scum, neighborhood gets trimmed, and I feel it’s just an optimal day 1 lynch.
I'd like to see Inferno verify this because Gamma has been defending you a lot, but this seems pretty good. I'll vote Quick if I don't see something more worthwhile while catching up.In post 1082, Flavor Leaf wrote:Quick didn’t replace out because he’s scum, he replaced out because he’s scum on my blacklist, and I read him as scummy.
Quick said he wasn’t aware when he replaced in, yet in the neighborhood he brought up trying to policy before I even started posting. He then made a case on me.
He left after I started pushing back.
Replacement is NAI, but the stuff said around it is scummy to me
Can you stop making me think you're a Lyncher? Please?In post 1085, Mulch wrote:Jesus fuck I come in for one normal game and it's a disaster
^This.In post 1097, Archwing wrote:
I think you'd be surprised about what people lie about. Also, interpretation matters. Thats why I wanted another opinion.Egg wrote:
I kinda doubt he'd lie when people can come in and verify like that.In post 1086, Archwing wrote:
Can someone else in the hood please confirm/deny this?In post 1082, Flavor Leaf wrote:Quick said he wasn’t aware when he replaced in, yet in the neighborhood he brought up trying to policy before I even started posting. He then made a case on me.
@profii,
quick was allegedly pushing a policy lynch on Flavor Leaf. before he said, in game thread, that he didn't realize Flavor was in this game?
kinda fucky.
and that, ladies and gents, is enough to warrant my first vote of the game.
VOTE: Quick
If Quick pops up as scum, I'm going to be wondering why you wanted us to focus on Flubber so much that you ignored everything else.In post 1098, Mulch wrote:Stop-
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p.45In post 1118, Gamma Emerald wrote:how do you know nothing about the hood...In post 1119, Mulch wrote:
It MAY be because I haven't read the game, and have only IsoedIn post 1118, Gamma Emerald wrote:how do you know nothing about the hood...
Still bet you a dollar i have better reads than most of the gameIn post 1117, Mulch wrote:Nosferatu is scum!nos
Flubber is scum!flubber
No idea on quick
still don't know about this neighborhood
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I was basically testing you for deliberate ignorance, you passed
They claimed to ISO FlavorLeaf, Nos, Beef, NSG, and TIAM. I'm pretty sure FlavorLeaf mentioned the hood at least once considering it was part of his claim, and I know TIAM did a bit on scum having to be in the neighborhood. So there's that.In post 865, Nictis wrote:-Snip-
Like, one minute to ISO nsg and Townlock them, 3 minutes to call out Nos, 3 minutes to ISO and call FL and Beef as Prob. Town and Def. Town, and 1 to lock TwoInAMillion as Town. This doesn't seem like "Just catching up now" to me, it feels prepared in a way.
In post 1122, Inferno390 wrote:Can we actually confirm the order of Quick's post's please? Like, with a time sigs or something?Appreciated.
Unless something worse comes up, yep. I'll maintain my suspicion on FL though.In post 1124, Gamma Emerald wrote:are we happy ending the day here?-
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p.47In post 1152, RedFlavor wrote:Quick wagon seems opportunistic
The Quick wagon didn't seem opportunistic to me, but I might have missed something there. What makes you two think it's an attack of opportunity?In post 1153, Beefster wrote:Quick looked scummy before the whole policy vote thing, but I find the wagon unsettling. There are probably at least 2 scum on it and FL is probably not one of them. I'm going to stay far away from a wagon that has grown by sheer opportunism.
VOTE: 2iam
Valid counterwagon.
FoS: Mulch
I feel like he's throwing a lot of ideas around but not really scumhunting.
But your leaning on it? If you had to say which way you'd expect Two to flip right now, would you expect Town or Scum?In post 1173, Flavor Leaf wrote:At this point, it’s not even just a lynch all liars thing for me.
It was the replace out the post after I went afternoon him, me having my paranoia on LUV, AND the slot is in the neighborhood.
It’s a perfect Day 1 lynch.
If Two is scum, I feel like that would be easy ish to figure out with more info.
AtP is Appeal to Policy right? On the one hand the provided reasoning matches them not liking to play with one another, on the other that's still a pretty poor reason and he replaced out when it didn't work. Could go either way, but seems pretty easy to say he's scum now. (I'd give it 80/20 odds with what's been said so far)In post 1170, Inferno390 wrote:
As for the policy lynch, his reasoning was because Leaf has "a horrible playstyle." Which is both AtP and shit reason for a PL, soprofii wrote: What policy was Quick even trying to push? Lynch a fake claim?
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I'll have to take your word on it here, he doesn't read as Town to me right now.In post 1187, Flavor Leaf wrote:As the person who Two tunnels relentlessly, I don’t think any of his stuff is out of the ordinary as townTwo right now. If he’s scum, it will become obvious later. If he’s town, it’ll become extremely obvious later.Considering how much time you spent reading the posts and your constant demands to sheep you, I don't trust you.
Seems worth a read through. Will fill in opinion when I have it here.In post 1181, Inferno390 wrote:I could care less about your read on me. Because one tunneling scum VI is not going to get me lynched.
And I don't care what world you're from or what meta you play, spewing AtP and one-word sentences are not "forthcoming." It's more or less a weak version of active lurking, saying things without really doing anything or contributing to town.
@All: I just read looked through TIAM's ISO, guys, and it's actually just a combination of AtP, IIOA, NAI opinion-based reads, and one word sentences that don't really contribute anything. It's really scummy.
Did an ISO, linked the posts I mention. The spoiler is big, but I think it's still important to read through. I also think that Inferno's post up there ^ is bullshit.
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Backing off of the ISO of TIAM because I need a break. My current read is that he's Town, he is bad at giving good reasons for voting someone, and will believe that his reasons for voting someone are perfect until he is proven wrong. His original reasoning for voting FL seem to be carryovers from previous games, but he's gotten more substantial reasons for it since then. I need to finish the ISO later, but I feel pretty confident in saying that TIAM is Town.
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