Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Tchill13]

Everything Hopkirk said was nonsense, as I already pointed out.

oh what a joke.

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i think youre just ignoring it at this point. People showed a case on luca and mentioned you as a possible partner.

The case on luca is independent of the actions of cedrick.

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just because youre the only associative guess at this point doesn't mean Luca's case relies on that.

Why are you worried about it anyway because you obviously think he's town. You shouldn't fear a luca scum flip.

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I pushed luca early day 2 and i don't remember pushing Cedrick during that time. What do you make of that?

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What particularly do you like about Hopkirk's push?

literally everything.

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@Tchill: I can see you as town. Luca/Cedrick is a serious concern for me.

Despite so many posts saying Luca is town, Cedrick never actually says why. Examples:
1141- Puts Luca as town (based on the vote?) without reason. Says he doesn't think my vote makes me look town. Should explain why Luca's was better when it was a hammer when Luca was the opposing wagon. Never considers scum-Luca in thread.
1158/1248- Gets ridiculously aggressive when I suggest Luca/Cedrick.
1348- 'Most people will think Luca is town' - why?

KTS kill makes sense with Luca scum if I remember right.

Come to think of it, after claiming, Luca's role isn't any more useful than a VT if there's not solid reason to hard townread him.

that last line is why Cedrick hard defended you but as hopkirk pointed out it doesn't even matter.

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My D1 wagon is lookin pretty fucking bad right now. Wouldn't surprise me if all the scum were on it.

OK. Is the collective thought process on Luca going to be one that believes his claim and thinks he is town or is it gonna be one where he could possibly be scum?

Of course, it's possible someone could have bussed, although less likely in this case given how tight the lynch was.

I will analyse when I get to a computer.

IF YOU'RE TOWN... There's absolutely no reason to bus there seeing how close a townie lynch was to getting through.

Of course, it's possible someone could have bussed, although less likely in this case given how tight the lynch was.

I will analyse when I get to a computer.

IF YOU'RE TOWN... There's absolutely no reason to bus there seeing how close a townie lynch was to getting through.

I think even apart from my claim, my interactions with implosion and the makeup of the two wagons certainly give me considerable towncred, even if not clearing me entirely.

People keep throwing around the cleared word. You're not cleared unless an investigative clears you. Yeah you're probably town. You're not cleared though. Nobody knows for sure until a flip.

I think if we know Luca is town and we know implosions wagon is made up of all townies (due to the fact scum didn't have to bus there and there's no reason why they would with a townie lynch being that close) it's our best bet to win. We'd have to KNOW though so a Luca flip would be vital. I'm not opposed to a Luca lynch. Of course if Luca flipped scum I could see maybe Katherine being the partner but that's a very weak case.

my only issue with luca is she said she didn't pm the mod to commute. I don't see why a player wouldn't use their action that THEY think is the most important role.

That and the survival lynch on implosion at the end. Sure it lynched scum. If I'm playing with Luca being scum a possibility though then Luca just lynched scum for town cred.

I usually play by odds so it's highly unlikely both wagons were on scum. If we can get a Luca flip and give a justifiable hard TR to half the player base though I think it'll be an easy win.

Consider my vote on implosion - I don't want to put him on L-1 in case of derp hammer.

Actions speak louder than words. You totally could have lynched your scum partner with that phrasing.

this is some of it. I'd like you to go back. I actually pushed Luca/ katherine.

Obviously my case doesn't solely rely on cedrick.

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Cool. Doesn't change the fact though.

What else can someone do when flash-wagoned to L-1 other than defend themselves?

Any defence can been spun as 'flailing'. Would it be better if I said nothing and accepted being lynched?

for the sake of info yes.

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People keep throwing around the cleared word. You're not cleared unless an investigative clears you.

Yeah you're probably town

. You're not cleared though. Nobody knows for sure until a flip.

Wat

Hopkirk laid it out much better than I.

I'm just showing you the case is independent of cedrick. By all means discredit away.

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Cool. Doesn't change the fact though.

What else can someone do when flash-wagoned to L-1 other than defend themselves?

Any defence can been spun as 'flailing'. Would it be better if I said nothing and accepted being lynched?

for the sake of info yes.

The more I post the more info there is, especially if I'm lynched.

not really. We already got the VCA if you flip town from your perspective. We really don't need anything else.

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Do yall really not see where I'm getting my confirm 6 townies thing?

I know I don't

Why would scum bus implosion if a townie was that close to being lynched? What are the odds scum bus there? Very very small. So everyone on the implosion wagon should be town.

If you believed that then you wouldn’t be suspicious of him to begin with.

I'm not sure if he's town or not. That's the point.

Either Luca is town or he isn't.

and we won't know that anytime soon, and we aren't lynching him day 2 as he was the counter the a POWERFUL mafia role. move on

Either

Luca scum bussed the PR for town cred or

Scum tried to lynch Luca because he was the counter wagon to their strongest PR.

The game is pretty simple after that.

Also nobody ever explained why lynching an unnkillable PR is a bad idea. Luca didn't spearhead the wagon. It was a survivalistic hammer. I don't see why he's untouchable. If luca is scum obviously scum are gonna fight his lynch because that leaves one scum left. If luca is town scum will fight that lynch because after we know for certain luca's alignment the game is MUCH, MUCH easier.

So i'm not sure why we are avoiding a lynch that would hurt scum either way.

I'll go to my grave saying Luca should be lynched until i'm given a good reason as to why he shouldn't be.

you realize it's as much of my job not to be lynched as a VT as it is to figure out what's going on right ausuka? So of course i have to dance a thin line in surviving and solving. If it seems like i can survuve i play with that in mind. I did have a glimpse of hope for a little bit. So during that time im willing to look the other way on the LEAST likely scum in my scum pool. Now im back to where i should be.

Death is certain.

So honestly In order id guess: Luca, cedrick, Katherine, Maria, ausuka.

I believe the luca bus situation is the one thats playing out. Luca was genuinely upset mumble and katherine were TR'd at the end of day 1 because Luca was scum.

If its not luca and cedrick i'd lynch katherine first because she could be scum with either ausuka or maria but i don't see ausuka and maria being the team.

that last post is where I shift to luca for sure. Earlier quotes show me pushing from an efficient perspective. Once hopkirk mentioned the KTS killing it really solidified for me.

I pushed luca and katherine for a long time. I wasn't consistent with the push due to the resistance and i wasn't gonna just flail at luca the whole day with my lynch looming. I wanted to help town somewhat Instead of just screaming if i was wrong.

[Tchill13]

Why is it hilarious that I tell you how to play mafia?

I've seen mumble play very well when he's high activity. I wish he would play more but oh well.

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Literally the strongest vca if you're actually town.

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Hmm. The Maria NK is very, very sketchy.

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Hmm. The Maria NK is very, very sketchy.

This reeks of "that sucks" tell
VOTE: Tchill

I'm saying the lynch pool is on the original Luca wagon and now ausuka/flavor would be my proposed scum team and that's just too convenient given the NK.

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VOTE: Havo

Because........?

Maria is a really, really, really, really weird and strange kill coming from any scumteam that doesn't include Havo.
I also think this is a Boon kill.

That distancing didn't take long.

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VOTE: Havo

Why would you vote blind out of the gate?

Because I was on mobile and had limited time but I wanted to get my vote in anyway. If I have a guilty I just state it outright, not blankvote.

Why not wait to see if any info comes out? Like does Mumble have anything?

We don't need to disturb normal dayplay because there's possibly a guilty. Sure, we don't lynch before everyone checks in, but I wasn't trying to lynch you yet.

Hmm. The Maria NK is very, very sketchy.

What’s sketchy about it?

The fact that she was a good ML candidate for today and scum killed her anyway?

They only narrowed my pool down for me.

It went from Maria, Kath/Kook, Ausuka to

Ausuka, Kook

I had you as lock town before I saw this. I should not be in your pool. Still probably town.

VOTE: Tchill

Honestly, if you don't lynch this today you shouldn't be playing mafia.

Lynch flavor after I flip town.

Scums OK with my lynch today.

[Tchill13]

I mean at this point scum can argue against my lynch and still get it hrough .

This is probably the scummiest I've ever looked in any game I've ever played.

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I mean at this point scum can argue against my lynch and still get it hrough .

This is probably the scummiest I've ever looked in any game I've ever played.

I only heavily TR'd havo and gamma due to position on the implosion wagon lol.

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I think scum is in flavor or gamma?

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Maria said lynch me or ausuka multiple times.

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I think scum is in flavor or gamma?

Finally. That’s what I’m sayin’.

VOTE: Gamma

How well have you followed the game?

[Tchill13]

What's your case for havo or kookoo?

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Oh please. People have been trying to lynch me forever. "Hopped off implosion at L -1 " is a valid reason.

"That sucks" theory is lazy and laughable.

Nobody has a clue what's going on and nobody has since day 2. KTS was more valuable than I thought.

Either scum bussed or the team is ausuka/flavor. I suggest we decide right now where we want to lean.

Ausuka and flavor could also be scum with someone that did bus.

First of all is cedrick/kookoo town? I guess.

Second hopkirk has been heavily TR'd the whole game. Why kill Maria over hopkirk? At the end of the last day phase hopkirk seemed to pick up my initial push at the beginning of the day then fixed it up and pushed it through. Is hopkirk scum?

If hopkirk and kookoo are town, if I had a gun to my head I'd say they are, then gamma/ausuka/creature/flavor/havo is my pool.

How many days till lylo?

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It Has not answer I still feel the slot is probably scum.

@kookoo why shouldn't hopkirk specifically be in lylo? I've has hi near lock town the whole game.

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KTS may have started the wagon but hopkirk played a substantial Part.

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I mean if you'd rather lynch ausuka because of that then by all means. Either they're both scum or scum bussed.

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Well yall can lynch me first but flavor needs to flip. He did nothing day 2 worthy of remembering and fits the narrative that hopkirk said scum maybe trying to change.

His explanation for the scum kill makes sense.

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My point is the Katherine slot is very likely to be scum.

Regardless of if I'm supposed to be scum with it or not.

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My point is the Katherine slot is very likely to be scum.

Regardless of if I'm supposed to be scum with it or not.

Fair enough. I thought the team was Katherine/Maria before I replaced in. :shrug: both of them ended up being false.

Katherine/Maria and Katherine/ausuka was always a possibility and I'm pretty sure I stated that several times.

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It's relevant because I haven't been pushing that the Katherine slot is only scum if Maria is.

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It's relevant because I haven't been pushing that the Katherine slot is only scum if Maria is.

I was more referring to the fact you stated you brought it up several times as both of those being a possibility. Why does that matter? I’m not scum reading you because of your reads, nor the inoccurence of them being brought up. All I said was before I replaced in to the game, I also was leaning Maria/Katherine. I just know that I wasn’t right on either of those because I’ve seen my role, and Maria flipped.

Ohhhhh I misunderstood. Sorry.

[Tchill13]

So meta on the "that sucks" is your nail in the coffin for me gamma?

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Also that's 2 phases mumble lived

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Also that's 2 phases mumble lived

Also that's 2 phases Tchill has lived.

Tchill claimed VT not a PR.

Also is there any real reason for you to not lynch/lynch someone due to night actions?

[Tchill13]

Yes I claimed VT because someone said they may or may not be able to clear me. They didn't.

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So who needs to flip town on the Luca wagon to convince the majority scum did bus?

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I think scum is in flavor or gamma?

why not Ausuka?

Ausuka could be also I just said that at the time because of the jnteractions

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Hard defending ausuka... That's definitely worth noting.

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VOTE: flavor leaf

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Well I believe they're both scum what's it matter? I'd pick flavor I guess.

I should have been killed a long time ago tbh. Flavor needs to flip though.

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Kookoo should I self vote?

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Kookoo should I self vote?

Sure. Every vote on you is thumbs up.

There's no reason to self vote as town. I do know my presence in this game negatively effects town but I expected a better answer.

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No its flavor and ausuka.

Kookoo stop with your elitist attitude and calling everyone shit. You're a decent player you don't have to sell that to anyone else. You'll never learn how to persuade people if you continue to do that and calling people shit because they're not good enough to listen to you is a reflection of your ability to persuade people. Be nice. It's a team game.

[Tchill13]

Okay, so yea, Ausuka or Flavour tomorrow regardless of Tchill flip. Tchill first.

Like this is actually disgusting no matter what.

[Tchill13]

If you play with me because of a bet I highly beg you to play elsewhere. I'd like to play with people that WANT to play here and win.

The people that lost "the bet" are the ones you recklessly call shit. Nobody asked for your opinion and nobody signed up to play with someone starting the game with a negative attitude towards the sit or players in it.

But seriously it's flavor and ausuka.

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What has flavor done to make the Katherine slot seem more towny?

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If you believe that and you're saying I'm town that means after flavor flips scum, you know it because your his partner, you'll flip your read on me then you'll say I guess scum did bus.

It explains why you're TR'ing me so heavily and why flavor is pursuing gamma. If you get gamma lynched you avoid lynching your partner completely.

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I mean you're both actually against my lynch rn and there's no real reason for it.

It makes sense imo.

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And flavor definitely feels confident enough in his ability to buddy me due to experience with me.

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Well I think it shows that 2 scum is in flavor, me and ausuka from your pov due to how unlikely it is scum bus there.

I can't attest as to why I'm still alive. I can't defend that lol. I can assure you I'm town though.

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If scum bussed I'd think there would still be one on Luca because there's no way both scum bus the strong pr and I doubt the other scum doesn't contribute to the other counter wagon.

I guarantee one of flavor or ausuka is scum and if they both flip town I'll self vote.

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Well you suck you at persuading people obviously because I'm scummy af and you still can't get people to lynch me lol. I'm town kookoo. Don't get frustrated and call ppl shit. Just take a breather instead.

I want to know why flavor and ausuka don't expect a team with X/tchill from the other or why they haven't mentioned the possibility of the other being scum with someone who did bus.

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I want to know why flavor and ausuka don't expect a team with X/tchill from the other or why they haven't mentioned the possibility of the other being scum with someone who did bus.

VOTE: Tchill
okay this is too much.

Lmao. Worst time to flip on me if you really think I'm town. Looks bad on you.

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I mean you're both actually against my lynch rn and there's no real reason for it.

It makes sense imo.

You mean apart from the things that I have stated in the thread multiple times?
I'm not gonna lie, I'm getting tired of this song and dance.

It's tone and pushing others than tr me isn't it? So why is me pushing you a red flag?

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I want to know why flavor and ausuka don't expect a team with X/tchill from the other or why they haven't mentioned the possibility of the other being scum with someone who did bus.

VOTE: Tchill
okay this is too much.

So no answer? Just a dismissal and vote?

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What doesn't make sense about you and flavor? You have to admit even if you're town that's a strong possiblilty. Or me and flavor is a strong possibility. Or me/flavor and someone who bussed is a good possibility.

You haven't pushed any of those.

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So would you be okay with flipping flavor first?since he's in both possibilities?

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So would you be okay with flipping flavor first?since he's in both possibilities?

So if you weren't voting me rn would flavor be your preferred lynch?

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So would you be okay with flipping flavor first?since he's in both possibilities?

So if you weren't voting me rn would flavor be your preferred lynch?

No, that would be Havo.

That doesn't fundamentally make sense seeing how he's only in once scenario when flavor is in two.

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How is gamma a possibility? I don't see that at all.

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Also I'm really glad creature is lock town or that'd be someone else to worry about.

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I typed in a flavour leaf vote

VOTE: Havo

Policy. He's town. Prod dodging until I can hammer Flavour or Tchill or you mislynch me. Bye.

What the actual hell lol.

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Like seriously... I mean are you serious? He didn't know how to add an avatar. Played here on a bet... If anyone is capable of "slipping"... Oh my goodness lol.

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What was the purpose of saying that at all about flavor leaf?

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Explain that before you go.

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Shouldn't gamble.

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This game is so weird and it's day 3 and I don't feel 80 percent on anything.

I really do lean towards a flavor lynch though. And this game is too long for a full reset.

Hopkirk, gamma, havo is the town I'm rolling with for certain. I'm looking that in. If I'm wrong oh well. It's page 95.

Flavor ausuka is my scum team.

I guarantee one is scum.

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So yes it's stupid to say scum didn't bus we simply don't know. They COULD have but I think it's stupid if they did, that doesn't matter though.

I think it's completely logical to say if one scum did bus then one probably contributed to the counter wagon. I have a hard time believing 2 scum bussed.

So out of the players that didn't bus my list is flavor/ausuka/(cedrick/kookoo) in most to least likely scum.

One of them HAVE TO BE SCUM.

Out of those that did bus creature would be my guess.

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A lynch has been achieved!

VC 1.FINAL

votes

implosion

(7): Hopkirk, Creature, Gamma Emerald, Havo, Mumble, Killthestory, Luca Blight

Mumble

(1): Cedrick

Luca Blight

(5): Ausuka, MariaR, katherine, Tchill13, implosion

Not Voting

(0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

The day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2018-03-22 19:42:59)

Mod Notes

: Cedrick is V/LA until Monday.
Luca Blight is V/LA until Wednesday

Now possible scum bussing in order to most likely to least likely would be

Creature/mumble/havo/gamma/hopkirk

Why is mumble lock town? The claim? He hasn't said specific players he tracked has he? He's lacked detail on his night actions.

Creature has been laughably defended (don't start gamma lol)

Of my lock town I'm most skeptical about havo/gamma

Hopkirk is lock lock town for me. He's a candidate for my tinfoil hat theory that's always wrong. Basically he seen he could pick up my initial push on day 2 to lynch Luca and keep me around for scum to lynch layer. Like I said I believe hopkirk is town though.

[Tchill13]

I'd love thoughts from anyone who doesn't think there's one scum in me/ausuka/flavor/(cedrick/kookoo)

And I'd like thoughts on the scum that bussed if scum did bus.

Please do not lynch me yet. Let's actually get somewhere this day phase.

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Yeah it was sarcastic. Gamma can you comment on the game state posts I have made.

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The last 2 moderate sizes post of mine. Is there anything you agree or disagree with?

I tried to quote them but phone posting.

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2422 and 2428

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Havo I don't think that was a scum slip as laughable and needles as it was. We should definitely lynch one of me, ausuka or flavor today.

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Let's lynch flavor and let him catch up over the night phase.

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No surprise there.

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I urge you to lynch ausuka or flavor for me. I'll lynch either that has the biggest wagon but I currently lean flavor due to the passive play of Katherine.

They both had null stances on implosion, they both had KTS nailed as town and they were both on the Luca wagon.

Come on people.

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What question? I'm sorry I reread and didn't see anything in partcular .

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If both wagons were in scum and they bussed for town cred, the fact that it was easier to dismiss the heat from Luca day 1 than it was implosion day 1, the fact that we already lynched scum and could afford a town flip and IF he had actually been town it would give us a great tool for VCA.

That's my justification on his ynch .

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I honestly thought he was scum but was OK with it if he flipped town due to information.

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I really appreciate you replacing in but I've been saying they're scum for a long long time and had reasons. You can look back the past few pages.

It's a joke asking you to read the entire game I'm just saying the past few

[Tchill13]

No and I even mentioned the possibility of both wagons being scum is low.

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That's fine.

I honestly thought they were both scum but I was okay with being incorrect.

I try to have an avenue to go down when X Flips scum and when X flips town if I'm willing to lynch them.

There were benefits to Luca flipping either alignment. Of course I'm never OK with it if I don't actually think the guy is scum. I actually thought Luca was scum.

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I'm town bro.

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I can't prove it after hopping off implosion at L-1.

There's one scum in flavor/ausuka/saske. That's all I can tell you.

Both scum aren't bussing there pr when Luca is that close to a lynch.

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My lynch is literally the best lynch of the group I gave if you add me lol.

BUT.

Ausuka and Katherine were both null on implosion, both had KTS town and BOTH votedLuca .

I wasn't null on implosion and I didn't think KTS was town as hard as they did.

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My lynch is literally the best lynch of the group I gave if you add me lol.

okay im taking this as a scumclaim since because theres litreally no reson for you to think this as town..... if we mislycnh today then we go tomorrow to the day before lylo and have to massclaim ゞ◎Д◎ヾ

i preposterise that it's ALWAYS MORE BENEFICIAL to lynch mafia - lynching TOWN only INCIDENTALLY aids our wincondition ╭( ･ㅂ･)و ̑̑ ＂

Scum claim? Oh hush. From any pov that's not mine I'm the best lynch. It's obvious.

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Ausuka and Katherine were both null on implosion, both had KTS town and BOTH votedLuca .

I wasn't null on implosion and I didn't think KTS was town as hard as they did.

iagree that being null on implosion is scummy butwhy is it INDICATIVE OF ANYTHING to have a read on KTS?

Just a read they had in common. The common stance is more of an indication than the read itself.

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btw I don't think scum!Tchill doubles down on Flavor/Ausuka rn, feels like a suicidal move

gamma is this what you were tlaking about earlier? i would assume that CAUGHT SCUM would want to act more desperately [ ± _ ± ]

Whats more desperate than a towny that knows this is the scummiest they've ever looked? Literally ever.

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okay SO i finished reading day 3 and it basicly just reaffirmed what i foudn in my VCA so it's good to now that i still GOT IT IN ME ೕ(˃̵ᴗ˂̵ ๑)

onley thing is im kind of null on creatures posting so YEAH here's my lits! ✧(•́⌄•́๑)

{Hopkirk} - Strong town
{Gamma, Mumble, Havo}
{Creature, Flavor} - lean town
{Ausuka, Tchill} - SCUM!!

i might be wrong on one of my lean towns tho.... i need to talk more but where are DEFIANTLY lycnhing Tchill today

If you switch flavor and me I'm literally saying the same thing.

What if scum bussed? What's your list then? Because I'm not scum. Why do you even lean town on flavor.

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okay SO i finished reading day 3 and it basicly just reaffirmed what i foudn in my VCA so it's good to now that i still GOT IT IN ME ೕ(˃̵ᴗ˂̵ ๑)

onley thing is im kind of null on creatures posting so YEAH here's my lits! ✧(•́⌄•́๑)

{Hopkirk} - Strong town
{Gamma, Mumble, Havo}
{Creature, Flavor} - lean town
{Ausuka, Tchill} - SCUM!!

i might be wrong on one of my lean towns tho.... i need to talk more but where are DEFIANTLY lycnhing Tchill today

"I might be wrong on town leans though leaves the door open for you to lynch ausuka and X after my mislynch.

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I'm thinking there's scum within (Havo/Ausuka) and there's scum within (Flavor/Tchill).

Havo/Tchill. Looking closely at this.

OH wow. Ausuka/flavor is a possibility? I have been saying that this whole time.

[Tchill13]

Give me one good reason why the game isn't solved and maybe.

Because I'm town. What happens when I flip town? Will flavor be lynched then?

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I think you misunderstand. I don't want to lynch Creature. I want to wagon him.

This defeats the purpose of the wagon.

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YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE 2 OF THE OTHER SCUM ON AN IMPLOSION WAGON. How stupid is that?

1 if not 2 scum in flavor/ausuka/(cedrick/kookoo/new guy)

If scum bussed then we can figure that out after we lynch one if not both scum in that first pool.

[Tchill13]

Why as scum would I beg to take a weed eater to the Luca wagon day 1 WHEN I WAS ON THE LUCA WAGON.

If everybody flips town my death is certain (if I'm still alive)

2 scum aren't gonna bus implosion, that's a valid point, what doesn't make sense for me to do as scum is continue to push the small group of players that are almost as scummy as me. I'm gonna run out of lynch options eventually if I'm scum. If these guys keep flipping town I would be guaranteeing my own death. There's no motivation to my play that shows I'm thinking ahead.

We go day phase by day phase lynching those 3 until one flips scum. That's what we need to do. I'll self vote if none flips scum.

I'm town.

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Gamma and creature both lynched implosion. Any mixture of 2 people on the implosion wagon isn't the scum team.

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Give me one good reason why the game isn't solved and maybe.

Because I'm town. What happens when I flip town? Will flavor be lynched then?

If you flipped town, Flavour would move to most likely scum.

So what if we lynched flavor today and he flipped scum?

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Then let's lynch flavor. It's 50/50 that one of flavor or ausuka is scum imo.

Cedricks slot could be but I doubt it.

If flavor flips town I have no resistance to my lynch due to the fact that flavor and me flipping town would show that ausuka was scum.

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Oh my loooooord.

Who thinks 2 scum bussed implosion? Show of hands please? Anyone?...

It's not game throwing. It's a guarantee we lynch a scum if we lynch both flavor and ausuka.

You're saying havo is an obv mislynch.

Ausuka has havo in 3 of his most probable scum teams.

Ausuka is pushing to flash wagon creature for "info"

Yet you continue to vote me.

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I'M NOT THIS TERRIBLE AS SCUM. Geez. I'm town that doesn't try day 1 because we never lynch scum day 1 and now that we did I'm in New territory. This is literally the most "obv" scum I've been since March 17, 2017.

If you think it's ausuka and me and you have more evidence for ausuka vote ausuka. I ask that we lynch ausuka or flavor today. That's it. I don't care which one.

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I mean is that what ausuka is doing here? Has he hard defended his scum buddy the whole game then bussed right before his flip? Can you imagine what would happen if I flipped scum? He'd be insta lynched. He knows km not going to flip scum because he knows I'm town.

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If he was town and he really thought I was town he wouldn't flip because I'm attacking him/flavor. I've attacked everyone that pushed a TR on me. He should be used to that.

If hes town and he really thought I was scum he'd probably have a few additional points as to why I was scum backed by the "tipping point" that caused him to vote me.

If he's scum that knows I'm town he flips his read on me right before my flip then says "I didn't want to lynch him, I told yall so but he had to go" and that's that.

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BOTH HAD A NUETRAL STANCE ON IMPLOSION DAY 1 AND BOTH VOTED LUCA DAY 1. One of them is scum. We have 3 lynches left. So we need to lynch both of them within those 3 lynches.

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You refused to take a stance on implosion day 1.

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see TCHILL if you KEEP making analysis like that I might ACTUALLY townread you (ﾉ^ヮ^)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

from your PROSPECTIVE yeah those are god points!! but im not sure if it outweights the rest of your posting ive seen - plus i thought cokoo's case about you forging the attempts to establish ALTERNATE wagons to implosion was also good...... so im not sure....

pedit: plus im not really sure how to read these interactions they dont look SvS to me ( ･ｪ･)

I've made this point several times... I can't help it if you refused to look back at a bit on your replace in. I understand but still.

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BOTH HAD A NUETRAL STANCE ON IMPLOSION DAY 1 AND BOTH VOTED LUCA DAY 1. One of them is scum. We have 3 lynches left. So we need to lynch both of them within those 3 lynches.

YEAH AND GUESS WHO ELSE VOTED LUCA D1? TCHILL13

I'M AWARE OF HOW SCUMMY I LOOK.

How about you actually argue for yourself instead of throwing others under the bus. That kinda shows what you're trying to do anyway.

MY ONLY TOWN READS DAY 1 WERE LUCA AND IMPLOSION. THE ONLY READS I REMEMBER HAVING DAY 1 WERE ONLY THOSE TWO TOWN READS. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IMAGINE IF YOU READS THOSE TWO AS TOWN AND YOU'RE TOWN, WHAT DIFFREENCE DOES IT MAKE WHICH WAGON I'M ON.

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IF Ausuk flips mafia then MUMBLE TRACK TCHILL OKAY??? (•̀ᴗ•́)൬༉

pedit: okay how would you have defended Imploson's posting Ausuka?

You're VOTING ME how the HELL are you gonna tell him that when you plan on me being killed first?

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You're response didn't justify it. You just shaded me. I'm not asking you to explain MY actions. I'm asking you to explain yours.

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AUSUKA, DID 2 SCUM BUS IMPLOSION?

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2 scum.... Bussed the strong pr.... When Luca was that close to being lynched...

This is what I meant when I said Luca flipping gives us great information. We know a town wagon was closed to being lynched. You're telling me that instead of lynching town TWO SCUM BUSSED IMPLOSION WHEN THEY DIDNT THE HAVE TO?

What a joke.

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AUSUKA, DID 2 SCUM BUS IMPLOSION?

How am I supposed to know? They definitely could have.

Like. His inability to even say it's not likely let's me know he doesn't want us all being lynched on the Luca wagon.

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Ausuka are you OK with risking the game to lynch me/flavor/kisme

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Ausuka are you OK with risking the game to lynch me/flavor/kisme

No. Not like my opinion matters.

Why not? You're saying that 2 scum bussed.

I'm fine risking the game on the logic 2 scum didn't bus.

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I want this game to end soon tbh.

2 scum.... Bussed the strong pr.... When Luca was that close to being lynched...

This is what I meant when I said Luca flipping gives us great information. We know a town wagon was closed to being lynched. You're telling me that instead of lynching town TWO SCUM BUSSED IMPLOSION WHEN THEY DIDNT THE HAVE TO?

What a joke.

Yeah, see this is too powerful to get past.

Scum would be stupid here, really stupid to bus their PR when they could have easily lynched a townie instead.

Yeah, so stupid. Even though it's probably going to win them the game, clearly the towncred just wasn't worth lynching a ONE-SHOT STRONGMAN.

Then WHO'S SCUM THAT BUSSED? WHO IS SCUM ON THE IMPLOSION WAGON? You think 2 scum bussed? Why are you voting me? Who's scum with havo?

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2 scum.... Bussed the strong pr.... When Luca was that close to being lynched...

This is what I meant when I said Luca flipping gives us great information. We know a town wagon was closed to being lynched. You're telling me that instead of lynching town TWO SCUM BUSSED IMPLOSION WHEN THEY DIDNT THE HAVE TO?

What a joke.

Yes that's exactly what I'm telling you! Bussing is always a choice. If people think they can take the towncred they go for it. Implo was never lasting until endgame anyway. He was clearly not really engaged with the game all that much.

Imagine this:
Implo: ugh. I can't get into this game and I look really scummy. hey guys, can you bus me for the towncred please?
Gamma: sure, sounds good to me
Havo: Lol ok yeah.

Like what makes that so unlikely? Or so many other scenarios?

THEN WHY ARE YOU VOTING ME IF THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK HAPPENED?

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Ausuka is all over the place and intentionally leaving the door open for other scenarios so he doesn't have to lock into anything.

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Ausuka are you OK with risking the game to lynch me/flavor/kisme

No. Not like my opinion matters.

Why not? You're saying that 2 scum bussed.

I'm fine risking the game on the logic 2 scum didn't bus.

Yeah and this is exactly what makes bussing a good play.

Remind me: if scum busses anyway, why don't they both take the towncred, instead of just one of them? If you're okay with the idea of one scum bussing it naturally follows that scum could have both been bussing.

THEY COULD HAVE LYNCHED TOWN AND SAVED THEMSELVES A DAY PHASE.

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Ausuka has no clear direction to figure out what's hppening .

I do. I've also backed up why it makes sense. My whole game has been based on this and I've been consistent with that.

Ausuka hasn't figured out anything and has no plan to.

"Oh two scum bussed blah blah" PROVE THEY DID. TELL ME WHO'S SCUM ON IMPLOSION.

The game is clogged up due to the inability to move past "did scum bus, and how many scum bussed?"

Well I'm telling you rn we can figure that out through my plans. Yes it takes us to lylo. Yes it gives us more night actions to work with EXCLUSIVELY ON THE IMPLOSION WAGON if we agree to lynch EVERYONE, EVEN ME on the Luca wagon.

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I give context to why scum wouldn't bus in this particular situation.

Ausuka:"you're saying scum never bus?"

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Imagine this:
Implo: ugh. I can't get into this game and I look really scummy. hey guys, can you bus me for the towncred please?
Gamma: sure, sounds good to me
Havo: Lol ok yeah.

When are you saying this happened again?

some point d1

I'm not going to be satisfied unless you give a concrete answer. Depending where you say it was you might get a slight reprieve. Or you could get fucked up. As I said, depnds on where you say it is.

AUSUKA GIVES NO CONCRETE ANSWERS.

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"Oh two scum bussed blah blah" PROVE THEY DID. TELL ME WHO'S SCUM ON IMPLOSION.

Easy. Havo/Gamma/Creature. This should have been evident from my reads, which are still consistent to the readspost I posted.

Who are you voting rn?

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IMPLOSION WAS STRONGMAN PR

LUCA, A TOWNIE COULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED HE WAS ONE VOTED AWAY WHICH SCUM CAN ACCOMPLISH SINGLEHANDEDLY

OH MY LORD

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SCUM COULD HAVE LYNCHED TOWN AT THE FLIP OF ONE VOTE STOP SAYING I HAVEN'T MADE THIS POINT IT'S THE ENTIRE POINT OF MY PLAY THIS GAME.

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"Oh two scum bussed blah blah" PROVE THEY DID. TELL ME WHO'S SCUM ON IMPLOSION.

Easy. Havo/Gamma/Creature. This should have been evident from my reads, which are still consistent to the readspost I posted.

Who are you voting rn?

Tchill13. And I think you're scum with one or Havo or Gamma, but it's possible it's Havo/Gamma also (and I definitely don't want to assume it's not Havo/Gamma) and it's possible for any of you to be scum with Simyk.

Gamma is saying my reads are hedged. That's blatantly false. I have reads. What I don't want is to lock my reads midway through d3 in and make them last until endgame.

SO YOU'RE OK RISKING THE GAME LYNCHING THROUGH THE LUCA WAGON TO CATCH SCUM?

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Ausuka is flip flopping sooooo much.

"Possible, possible, possible"

"2 scum could be on implosion, tchill could be scum with someone on implosion"

"I don't want to lynch the whole Luca wagon to catch one scum but I believe one scum is on the Luca wagon"

It's almost guaranteed we lynch one scum if we lynch the whole Luca wagon. Ausuka is hesitant to say OK for some reason.

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IMPLOSION WAS STRONGMAN PR

LUCA, A TOWNIE COULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED HE WAS ONE VOTED AWAY WHICH SCUM CAN ACCOMPLISH SINGLEHANDEDLY

OH MY LORD

Yes a townie could have been lynched there. I know that. A townie can be lynched in most bus games too. That doesn't mean that scum didn't bus implo. If scum think they can win the game from it (which they can, as has been shown here) then it's a good play even if it means scum get lynched instead of town.
If there are no alternatives to bussing you don't get towncred anyway.

Ausuka if your death GAURANTEED THE DEATH of me and flavor would you be okay with it? I'd be OK with my death if that was the case.

I WANT AUSUKA AND FLAVOR KILLED. That's the key to the game.

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Ausukas hesitancy shows everything you need to know

SCARED TO DEATH to say anything st all solid.

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Ausuka has no clear direction to figure out what's hppening .

I do. I've also backed up why it makes sense. My whole game has been based on this and I've been consistent with that.

Ausuka hasn't figured out anything and has no plan to.

"Oh two scum bussed blah blah" PROVE THEY DID. TELL ME WHO'S SCUM ON IMPLOSION.

The game is clogged up due to the inability to move past "did scum bus, and how many scum bussed?"

Well I'm telling you rn we can figure that out through my plans. Yes it takes us to lylo. Yes it gives us more night actions to work with EXCLUSIVELY ON THE IMPLOSION WAGON if we agree to lynch EVERYONE, EVEN ME on the Luca wagon.

So... What's wrong with this.?

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The quickest way to know if scum double bussed or not is to get rid of the Luca wagon. If we agree to lynch EVERYONE on the Luca wagon Scums night kills will be kind of selected for them. This should clear up the implosion wagon if you add night actions for town into the mix.

This all but solves the game.

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Ausuka has no clear direction to figure out what's hppening .

I do. I've also backed up why it makes sense. My whole game has been based on this and I've been consistent with that.

Ausuka hasn't figured out anything and has no plan to.

"Oh two scum bussed blah blah" PROVE THEY DID. TELL ME WHO'S SCUM ON IMPLOSION.

The game is clogged up due to the inability to move past "did scum bus, and how many scum bussed?"

Well I'm telling you rn we can figure that out through my plans. Yes it takes us to lylo. Yes it gives us more night actions to work with EXCLUSIVELY ON THE IMPLOSION WAGON if we agree to lynch EVERYONE, EVEN ME on the Luca wagon.

I'd love thoughts from players not on the Luca wagon.

Scums NK options will be limited due to for sure lynching the Luca wagon.

This plus night actions will all but solves the game.

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I don't care about your opinion ausuka. NOT ON THE LUCA WAGON

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I'm proposing this to players on the implosion wagon. The MAJORITY.

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Gamma what do you think about the idea?

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which one

2703 and 2704

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Everything revolves around day 1.

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Tchill/Havo

Tchill/Ausuka
Havo/Katherine
Katherine/Ausuka

Is roughly where I'm at. 2-4 are not ordered.

2703 and 2704 is a no go from you hopkirk?

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So basically you have any combination of us almost.

Why not agree to the idea and if we get to the point where we do have to lynch from implosion havo would be your first choice. If he's still around by that time it should validate your opinion that he's scum.

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Are you familiar with boonskies who is flavors main? This should be interesting.

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Boonskies is notorious for his claim game. He fake claims a TON of stuff. Has town or scum.

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This havo can't make it to lylo is quite sudden and nI'm ot sure where it even came from.

I do believe chainsawing gaurantees us 1 scum. Scum will have to NK on the implosion wagon. When we get down to the last few days I do believe scum will be super obvious because of the fact they don't get to control who they NK and possible night results.

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I'm not doing it for night actions or NK info that's just a benefit.

I'm doing it because 2 scum didn't bus their strongest PR when they could have lynched town.

Ik you have a case on havo but that's different than explaining why he can't make it to lylo.

The only one on implosion that I think could be town that could get mislynched in lylo if we chainsawed would be creature.

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VOTE: ausuka

You're scum. You're SO Scum due to the fact you refuse to take a solid stance and you won't even admit my logic is actually decent. You continue to argue possibility even if it's a minute one without giving a better idea to figure the game out. You're scum.

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You need to prove why scum would bus they're strong PR day 1 when they could have lynched a claimed town PR.

Do it without saying "to win the game off of bussing". Like that's obviously why scum bus so explain why scum would think that would win them the game that early. I'm the only one kicking and screaming to chainsaw. So if you can say "it made sense for BOTH to bus there because..." Without saying "this is why, because of ppl like you" I might actually listen to your reasoning.

Give context. Explain why in that particular situation at that time scum would think it's better for BOTH to bus their PR than change knew vote and lynch a claimed town PR.

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What's the biggest problem for town rn? It's did or didn't scum bus. What's the best way to figure that out? Kill everyone on the d1 Luca wagon.

It limits NK options.

It Limits night action options.

If scum make it to lylo and 2 people did bus there's a good chance your scum read rn would be dead by the time we were ready to lynch people on the implosion d1 wagon.

If your scum read on the implosion wagon at this moment isn't dead by that time then they're probably scum. If you're scum at this moment is town There's a decent chance they'll be NK'd before we get to that moment.

I fail to see the negatives of my plan.

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I'm not arguing the fact that maybe 1 scum didn't bus. I'm arguing BOTH scum didn't bus.

If only 1 scum bussed we still catch one scum by chainsawing.

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Like I don't want you to think I'm being dense. I see what you're saying I just disagree with the fact BOTH would in that scenario that early.

I think it's clear why I'm skeptical of YOU in particular for being so stubborn about it.

We should mass claim the day before lylo.

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Your plan is definitely more ok than I thought it was last night but like Havo is the most probable scum here. I just want to lynch Havo and if we chainlynch everyone on Luca wagon we can't do that.
And I still don't see why scum don't both take the towncred if one of them is alright with implo dying, but ok.
I guess I'll follow the plan and vote in Tchill and FL if we massclaim tomorrow or the day after that, and the people in lylo at least keep in mind my post in 2520.

If havo is scum that should be very clear by the time we're ready to lynch on the implosion d1 wagon.

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Wait.

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well EITHER WAY she thinks the teams are FL/Havo, FL/Tchill, Havo/{Gamma, COokoo, Tchill} so her PROSEPCTIVE is that HAVO has the most scum equity here

No you guys are taking my posts wildly out of context. They're not the only possible scumteams here, that's not what I was saying at all. Tchill first asked why I wasn't considering FL with tchill himself or with someone who was on Implo d1, and I responded by saying I had openly discussed the possibility of FL/Tchill and FL/Havo. Then Tchill said I shouldn't be voting Havo because he was in only 1 scumteam. I responded by giving 3 other very possible scumteams with Havo in them.

If I have to make a ranking:

Tchill/Havo
Havo/Gamma
Havo/Creature
Tchill/Gamma

Havo/FL
Tchill/FL
Gamma/Creature
Gamma/FL

Creature/FL
Havo/Mumble
Gamma/Mumble
Creature/Mumble
Tchill/Mumble
Mumble/FL

Havo/Hopkirk
Tchill/Hopkirk
Gamma/Hopkirk
Creature/Hopkirk
Hopkirk/FL
Havo/Simyk
Gamma/Simyk
Simyk/Creature
Simyk/FL
Simyk/Mumble

Tchill/Creature
Hopkirk/Mumble
Simyk/Hopkirk
Tchill/Simyk

So you HARD believe both scum would bus if one scum did. Shouldn't half of your most likely scum teams be 2 ppl off the wagon and the other half be 2 people ON wagon?

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I'm just making sure that it's reasonable to lynch you as a legitimate scum candidate regardless of "the plan" and I do believe it is reasonable.

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Okay

Gamma + Mumble scumteam then

Wtf.

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Flavor you got a better idea on my alignment yet?

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Ausuka should be the lynch that's pretty clear now.

Especially after I laid out why she's actually scum.

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I still don't believe boons claim 100 percent (due to his personality)

We should lynch ausuka, I'm fine with being the NK. I'd rather be the NK because like I said I don't fully believe boon is even vig.

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This could very easily still be ausuka and flavor.

I'm willing to only lynch ausuka until we have evidence that proves flavor is lying.

Boons is good enough to crumb a fake claim.

So imo atm you're looking at killing me/ausuka and Cedrics slot. Which should be easier because of the vig.

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We shouldn't lynch anyone until mumble gives detailed answers if his claim is in question now.

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That's the only guy that hard defendeded him and he just voted him lol.

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That's the only guy that hard defendeded him and he just voted him lol.

This is probably the most hypocritical thing I've ever read

Creatures whole slot is NAI because of inactivity.

At least you can make actual reads on my slot.

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VOTE: flavor

I take my vote off one of flavor or ausuka and then they do something scummier. Sheesh.

Should be noted that hopkirk readily believed that.

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You're slowly going down the road to mass claiming and I suggest we not do that today. Defeats the purpose of a lot of my idea.

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We lose lynching scum today.

Of course there's another scum member but that looks to be you and if it's not you and flavor actually is scum it might be hopkirk.

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I'm just kidding. I have no idea who flavors partner would be if it's not you.

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Why is lynching scum today so much better than lynching scum tomorrow? FL isn't going anywhere.

What kinda question is this? Is this serious?

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Let's just wait till lylo to lynch scum. I mean what better does it do us really?

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Let's just wait till lylo to lynch scum. I mean what better does it do us really?

You're ignoring the fact there's an obvious, huge advantage to keeping FL alive for one more day.

Is he's ACTUALLY WHAT HE CLAIMS.

Lynch me/ausuka then NK the other.

Flavor is scum. Even if he was actually the vig he's not gonna abide by this.

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I mean we could like just massclaim today but no-one else wants that I think.

Why mass claim when we can still use our night actions exclusively on the d1 implosion wagon while chainsawing the d1 Luca wagon?

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This is my issue.

If we Were supposed to chainsaw the Luca d1 wagon then me/ausuka /flavor are dead.

Preferably I'd like to be left alive of the 3 since ik I'm town.

Flavor has presented a situation prevents that possibility if town vig and gives an excuse for scum to kill me if flavor is scum.

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This is so bizarre. Hardly anything makes sense.

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Oh my lord LYNCH OFF THE D1 LUCA WAGON.

Havo isn't a priority. Ausuka and flavor are the priorities

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Tchill/Havo might be back up there for me actually.

You played so well day 1 and you continue to do crap like this so I don't know how much credit to give you for your push on implosion.

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My most recent interactions with ausuka should tell you he's scum.

Anytime you push him for anything he simply says "possibility, I believe it was a possibility" even after saying HARD BELIEVE IF ONE SCUM BUSSED THEN THEY BOTH DID.

He back tracked and said "possibility" so he can explain why he's been pushing scum teams with only 1 bussing scum.

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Yes. Do this please.

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I doubt scum kill me and I highly doubt flavor is a vig so make him prove it.

Lynch ausuka, who I believe is his partner so he can't do anything to avoid the NK of his partner.

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Guys... Lynch ausuka. Flavor NK me.

If I'm the only NK flavor is scum.

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If I'm not NK'd flavor is scum.

If I'm the only NK and yall make the protective claim then that's just another victory for scum. The protective will know if flavor is lying. Shouldn't out his actions should just lynch flavor.

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Mumble needs to in detail describe his actions first if and when mass claim takes place.

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So we're just gonna let this 120 page game die because we're actually about to lynch scum... OK...

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thats because deadlines are too long on this site.

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VOTE: ausuka

i thought i was already voting her i guess not.

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More like with the volume level it's felt like we've been here longer than we have

well thats because town can't agree on anything.

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Somebody hammer.

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If I'm the only NK yall better be suspicious of flavor. First thing he'll do is try an out the protective if that happens.

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Can i just shoot scum in Havo?

Hell to the no. You shoot where you're told.

Well, of course you would think that.

Scum get Ausuka, me, and Tchill dead that way.

EXACTLY. THIS IS WHATS BEST FIRE TOWN.

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It's a shitty lynch.

You've got less posts than htalf he page count don't you?

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No you're sitting at 135.

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i cant believe scum actually bussed their stron pr when they didnt have to DAY ONE LOL.

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and tbh its not impressive i was suspicious of katherine and mumble solely in IA. That being said they should have been lynched a lot sooner.

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I'm not gonna argue why scum shouldn't have done that lol. Crazy. Very crazy.