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[Flavor Leaf]

I’d rather have a null-lean scum read lynched than a town read, and I’m a little done with day 1 as well

[StefanB]

Like I used to advocate "hammer without claim!" back when site meta was to be held hostage to every two-bit scumbag that claim stalled - back when it was possible for people to just claim stall until the wagon fell apart, then say "now I don't have to claim!"

Today it seems like the basics like "maybe if we hammer a friendly neighbor we are in fact morons" need to be remembered.

Also I'm sad to find myself agreeing with Hoopla more than I'd like to.

I think there is a middleground. If someone is really stalling, okay we can talk about a hammer.
We have 5 1/2 days to deadline, a lol-hammer ist just rude.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I don’t like this composition really, but I didn’t like Cult’s vote and made me uneasy about the Hoopla wagon.

This is the epitome of a compromise wagon. But I think it’s telling

VOTE: Flavor

ISO Flavor and do a search for Cult. Notice how there is a complete lack of mentioning Cult in any capacity until this vote.

Then decide - does it really make sense that Flavor is "bothered" by Cult's vote when he has expressed zero worry about him previous and said vote is on Hoopla who is supposedly one of Flavor's top scum reads?

Nah, don't think so.

[GreyICE]

Fine, whatever Magna. I probably owe you this, and it's still a good lynch.

Vote: Flavor

[GreyICE]

ugh no wait

what are the odds you're scum?

[GreyICE]

Oh right, like 90%

Vote: Cult

[GreyICE]

I have had little to say about Cult too, I note. As have most people. Why?

Cult has moved into Null for me … too little content this stage to continue giving him a Town read.

Yes, this.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t like this composition really, but I didn’t like Cult’s vote and made me uneasy about the Hoopla wagon.

This is the epitome of a compromise wagon. But I think it’s telling

VOTE: Flavor

ISO Flavor and do a search for Cult. Notice how there is a complete lack of mentioning Cult in any capacity until this vote.

Then decide - does it really make sense that Flavor is "bothered" by Cult's vote when he has expressed zero worry about him previous and said vote is on Hoopla who is supposedly one of Flavor's top scum reads?

Nah, don't think so.

my take on this is: so what if he hasn't comment, CoA has been lurking so there's not much to comment on

[Flavor Leaf]

CoA actually did give me some pause on Hoopla.

And this is where I prove MOI completely wrong.

I’ve already pointed this out.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t call them Cult, I say CoA.

[CultOfAthena]

I agree that I'm lurking, yes - I don't believe I've actually seen an explanation as for why it makes me scum, however. At the moment I have real life issues I need to deal with. On that note,

@Mod: I will be VLA until Sunday

noted

[CultOfAthena]

Flavor Leaf's vote is probably the scummiest. We've been scum together before, he knows that my style as scum was more snarky and aggressive and not lurky.

Unvote

Vote: Flavor Leaf

[CultOfAthena]

I have no idea what Gamma is doing with his vote, however.

[Gamma Emerald]

lolshade

[GreyICE]

Nice claim.

No longer care if someone hammers this scumbag. This is an example of when it's fine to hammer without claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t actually remember our scum game together, but after you saying that it seems vaguely familiar

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree that I'm lurking, yes - I don't believe I've actually seen an explanation as for why it makes me scum, however. At the moment I have real life issues I need to deal with. On that note,

@Mod: I will be VLA until Sunday

btw on this lurking isn't AI but wolfy pop-ins are, which you seem to have been doing, at least with that last vote before this post

[UC Voyager]

Piplup replaces in

They can now post.

[Hoopla]

Are we seriously going to have to wait until sunday for a claim?

[GreyICE]

I mean at this point he posted without claim. It's not a quickhammer anymore, he's claim stalling. I'm super fine with watching claim stallers die.

[GreyICE]

What's the ol' DGB line about claiming your role PM taking seconds, but fabricating the perfect fakeclaim taking forever? That.

[Prism]

Yo. Give me 30 and I'll give it my first pass thoughts, and then after I munch some more I'll probably have better ones.

[GreyICE]

Prism, please just hammer the guy who at L-1 decided to show up to vote his counterwagon and then claim stall with a VLA

[Prism]

I really hate this push on Stefan. A lot.

I've been watching StephanB since this post. It's a lame entry, but worse than that is the apology. Like he read the medium-length post, realized it was a lame entry to the thread, didn't really want to post more, but felt guilty over that. That's not a behavior I associate with town. It's not a perfect scumtell (bad news, those don't exist) but it makes me notice a person. Now what really started to get to me was this:

Okay I believed the L-1 to freely he had 4 votes on him, when he selvoted and claimed. (You can call me an idiot for believing in stated L-1 without checking)
Aside from the reaction I have not yet a real read on Flavour.

I stated reads in my first post today.

The post he admitted was not good. Now, what the hell? Town can make a lame post, town can even reread it and go "wow that's a lame post, sorry", but does town then refer back to it as "my reads post" to answer other people's questions?

This seems pretty organic to me; the apology was for not having

strong

reads. When he's citing a reaction to flavor and stating that he doesn't have a solid read on the slot, it makes sense to cite it. It's an apology for not having strong reads, not an apology for an inaccurate post.

I'll go over some other things that have been bugging me for quite some time:

This epic fence sit.

It's like he realizes Flavor Leaf is playing poorly, but then says "Flavor is obvious messing with us" and "why does Flavor play like he does as scum?"

If Flavor is "obviously messing with us" then why does that make him town? Why does flavor play like that as scum? More to the point, why is he interrogating other people about why flavor does what he does, rather than just asking flavor? It doesn't smell of any scumhunting from Stefan.

This really bothers me. I had/still have a pretty similar reaction to Flavor, and because of it I've opted to read into players I feel are more likely to be predictable/consistent (namely Implosion).

Grey: You have pushing the waggon for Flavor all the way to L-1, why stopping now?

Sometimes all you have to do is hold out the noose and see if they stick their head in. For someone who just claimed to have trouble reading Flavor and just claimed to not find the scum motivation for his behavior, it should be GLARINGLY OBVIOUS why I stopped voting him instead of pushing for hammer.

...And this is still a valid question. You're answering what your intent was and why you have it, but his entire point was trying to find that out.

Part of me has just been thinking the scum team is Hoopla, Implosion, Cheetory. I’m not gonna preflip asso, though...so I’ll stick with hoopla.

If you are town, I want to congratulate you on naming three townies in your scumteam. It's quite the asscomplishment.

Real post in a bit.

This is really worth expounding on.

P-Edit: Probably not, I want Implosion or maybe you right now. Will probably followup more on Implosion in a bit, only up to page 25. CoA is just a lurker lynch.

[Prism]

Prism I still want to see more from outside of jousting with Cheet. I understand you are scum reading Cheet and Implosion and Town reading Gamma. Any other reads outside of those Prism would be very helpful.

Maybe read my posts because my most recent ones explicitly stated that I was leaning town on Cheet.

This persistence that I haven't given enough content to judge me on or that I'm not giving reads is false. I'm not actively monitoring the game as much as I'd like because of time constraints but when I am here I've given my thought processes almost in full and given plenty of reactions/reads. Ideally I'd have a read on every player but that's not the case-I'm slow as shit to get reads, often needing a spark leading from a specific line.

The fact that you made this post without even

trying

to read into the jousting with Cheet makes me think this is bullshit.