I'm just going to give my thoughts on pages four and five before I forget what I read. I've had a hell of a day and my mind feels very scrambled, so if I don't make sense I apologize. Just let me know and I'll reword my thoughts. I only have 75 final exams left to grade before I'm freeeee...until Monday when summer school starts. But once I get grades submitted and the summer classes set up, my schedule gets much more manageable, and I should be able to get on top of things and stay there better.
First things first though.
Congratulations Pine!!!
I'm glad that Lady Pine and Pinecone are healthy and well.
Yeah, I remember why I forgot reading page four in the first place, most of it was just bickering and things I don't agree with. Mostly things like how a pgo should be handled and what constitutes a newbie or what questions are valuable in the first place and some other theory crap. I have poked around enough to know that Old Man claimed day two IC and so I just kind of want to be lazy and not think about his posts because he's going to be resolved day two anyway. That and his posts are kinda condescending, which I don't always terribly mind when it comes in the case of someone whose mindset I can understand I can work with. Which well yeah that remains to be seen, but as of page four I have the bird's eye view of just knowing he's wrong and right or wrong that colors my view of how much I can trust the way they're looking at the game.
In post 98, Old Man wrote:To clarify my stance on Pine: I
want
Pine to be town here, but all my professional mafia policies force me to keep Pine as a nullread for now.
Really liked this post because it's one I can sympathize with.
Absolutely detest Tywin's
99. I don't have much experience with Tywin; we played one game together where I largely lurked out most of day one and was a long time ago, but I remember thinking he was nothing like his namesake because he was so jumpy
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That doesn't have a whole lot to do with this game; I can't quite meta him and that's old meta but it is my backdrop. Anyway, he spends most of that post bitching about the Eddie RVS wagon. I do not understand why that RVS wagon would cause him so much angst, he had to be so rawr about it. It was day one of a large when almost all wagons are started for shit reasons, and this one was okay reason wise, and are just to get something started. The game has to start somewhere. But he's acting like the entire game decided to go HARD on eddie and were trying to quicklynch him when that's not what happened. Nobody went hard like he claimed. Chamber didn't claim to have the game solved, so eh. Axelrod started the Pine wagon; I don't see where he sheeped? I don't understand the reasons for the petroleum vote - shading a potential pr because he said he didn't believe the claim? So bleh, but if I'm remembering our past experience correctly I didn't much like many of Tywin's stances or arguments but I townread him because he was so jumpy and reactionary. Probably more reactionary than I used to be or and sometimes still am because I fail at being better a lot :/
Anyway that's a lot to say I just don't like the post, but when I meta'd Tywin before maybe replacing his slot I think I picked up something he's more likely to do as town than scum, so I'll have to come back to this.
I don't agree with Axel's town read on Insanity at this point for the reasoning, but I like the way Axel is going about it getting it. I can buy that he would have that read for the reasoning that he has. I don't agree with PJ that Axel's
31 was him trying to save eddie and then making an about face earlier. If anything that post is one that I liked from Axel early because it felt lighthearted. And I disagree with Kison that his vote looked like over-justification; think that's just how Axel plays.
I do not think that Korts posting the mod clarification on the anti-toxic stuff means that it's plausible Pine really did ask that question at the start of the game. I don't think for a second that Korts would do that sort of mod-interference to support a question that may or may not have been asked in private at the start of the game. That would be awful. My first thought was that Pine asked him to make some sort of post like that that would make it seem plausible because he felt outed that Korts started the game when Pine confirmed in the scum qt, and he did it to make up for the fact that he might have inadvertently outed them that way. That would also be wrong on the mod's part probably. But, I actually like Axel's thought on the reasoning for the post because it makes the most sense and is something I didn't even think of.
Insanity - What did you like about Tywin's
99?
OH I don't think it's weird that Axel pointed out that Eddie was at L-2. At his site L-2 is when people claim, and I don't think it's weird to not want to put someone at L-1 anyway? Oh and I also liked Axel's point on Eddie and what he may have been joking about. It feels like he's really thinking about why people might be doing things.
If I felt comfortable giving early town reads these days, I'd call Axel one. He's heading in that direction at least.
Still like Hito's "grubby hands" comment. Still know it's thin, still know I'm projecting a bit.
Like Magma's (can I call you magma?) posting so far. No red flags yet anyway. I believe that how I used to be able to tell when he was more likely town still holds, so I'm hoping that's still true and I'll see it soon. (I don't think this is negated by not having a huge issue on him in the Thing where he was scum. I had red flags I didn't push like I should have, but I seem to remember saying that thing that appears to make it clear he was town wasn't there. So I have high hopes I have high hopes I can get an accurate read there.)
Pine still feels a bit posturey, again wondering if it's a play style issue and chamber didn't have an issue with him so it might be a me issue? This will be something I'll have to flesh out besides that feeling.
Tywin is my biggest concern as of now.
I'll try to get more read tonight, but I get up super early and it's well past my bed time, so no promises you'll hear from me again until later.