Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Ouroboros]

Okay. If your information isn't related to his alignment then I'll stick with my vote. Sorry.

[Ouroboros]

Would a case help?

In this case most of the impetus of the vote is actually my hydra partner so she should probably take the lead on that, but it's something we can do.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Doubt it would do anything for me.
I'm more surprised you arent willing to compromise with me on your other 2 which i don't mind seeing dead however.

Must be a very compelling case that you're that certain. Enough to risk the consequences.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If you're wondering why,
Over the games i've had with Kokichi I've noticed that he's usually scumread for things related to his play style or role play. It's even gone as far as being used by scum to strongarm a lynch through on the slot on the one time we hydra'd together: viewtopic.php?p=9997201#p9997201
It is, very hard for me to take any sort of scum case on Kokichi seriously because it is often based off ppl that dont agree with the way he plays.
Hence I have grown wary of ever trusting anyone's read on him, specially scumreads.

By this, I don't think any sort of case you could come up with would do something to me. And he's a friend of mine that replaced into this game just to play with me again since we haven't played in months, as long as I townread the slot, I'm gonna be like this, and if you lynch him and he flips town, then you dont even wanna know what a spiteful Kaede is capable of.

[Ouroboros]

I don't have a great deal of trust for virtually anyone's reads in a situation like this where I think it would be very easy for Kokichi to pocket you.
I am far more worried about Kokichi reaching endgame as scum than I am about Wraith reaching endgame as scum and as a result I'm not super enthusiastic about lynching Wraith first.

You also have basically 0 chance of coercing me by threatening me with 'consequences'. Regardless of your feelings towards me I like you and you'd get a lot more mileage out of talking to me differently.

If you're wondering why,
Over the games i've had with Kokichi I've noticed that he's usually scumread for things related to his play style or role play. It's even gone as far as being used by scum to strongarm a lynch through on the slot on the one time we hydra'd together: viewtopic.php?p=9997201#p9997201
It is, very hard for me to take any sort of scum case on Kokichi seriously because it is often based off ppl that dont agree with the way he plays.
Hence I have grown wary of ever trusting anyone's read on him, specially scumreads.

By this, I don't think any sort of case you could come up with would do something to me. And he's a friend of mine that replaced into this game just to play with me again since we haven't played in months, as long as I townread the slot, I'm gonna be like this, and if you lynch him and he flips town, then you dont even wanna know what a spiteful Kaede is capable of.

I would like to posit that I am generally one of the best players at reading different playstyles and I don't usually find Kokichi naturally scummy. I'm more scumreading 'cause of his predecessor anyway?
Like I have my own people who I systematically misread but I'm not typically someone who falls for lynchbait.

[Ouroboros]

Like (and you shouldn't take this personally in this game because there's clearly better kill targets with the amount of PRs floating around) you are going to live to endgame this game I am fairly certain.
If kokichi is scum that means all he had to do to win the game is pocket you which is something that I believe his style of play excels at more than convincing broader groups that he's town.

I'm more concerned about him making endgame than virtually any other potential scum reaching endgame and that's a problem. If we can as a group agree to write a large chunk of people out of the PoE and lynch Kokichi somewhere later down the line then you have mileage convincing me to go for easier scum flips while I'm still alive.

[Kokichi Oma]

So why arent we lynching dave. Idgi

Because it's not a hard guilty, albeit dave isnt surviving to endgame certainly. There's several other factors that could explain the missing nightkill than a super roleblock on dave.

Then... if hes not making it till end game. Still has a high chance of flipping scum.... why not lynch now? Like he 100% doesnt make till end game. Abd he could actually be guilty. I see no downside.

[Kokichi Oma]

So why arent we lynching dave. Idgi

because Dave is town and we should lynch scum

Who is scum then

[Kokichi Oma]

I mean. I would have townread him in that game, for the record.

What sort of consequences?

You scumread me in the Not-Mafia game. So?

[Kokichi Oma]

And I was town there

[Ouroboros]

You scumread me in the Not-Mafia game. So?

correct me if I'm wrong but our slot was confused about the Caregivers scumreads until you decided to basically claim a guilty on me, and from then on I was trying to lynch you because you refused to prove your lie detect.

[Kokichi Oma]

And he's a friend of mine that replaced into this game just to play with me again since we haven't played in months, as long as I townread the slot, I'm gonna be like this, and if you lynch him and he flips town, then you dont even wanna know what a spiteful Kaede is capable of.

Are you trying to make me cry

[Kokichi Oma]

You scumread me in the Not-Mafia game. So?

correct me if I'm wrong but our slot was confused about the Caregivers scumreads until you decided to basically claim a guilty on me, and from then on I was trying to lynch you because you refused to prove your lie detect.

I was willing to clear you. Didnt claim a guilty on you

[Ouroboros]

That game had the sole person on this site from whom townreads on me mean anything and you chose to ignore their townread on me and try to get me copped, then tried to burn it on literal confscum, and in doing so lost town the game.

[Ouroboros]

Postie can't actually catch me as scum ftr but she can clear me as town about ~25% of the time that I'm town and doesn't clear me as scum.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Nah I can guarantee that im 100% never making it to endgame.
It's just too tasty to kill me.

[Ouroboros]

(like her reads on me are overall terrible when I'm not a locktown read but if she says I'm locktown I'm going to be town, unless we're scumbuddies ofc ofc.)

[Ouroboros]

Anyway. I don't really want to fight Kaede here. I don't especially trust her townread on Kokichi but it's worth giving Kokichi a day or two over I guess.

VOTE: Wraith

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Wraith
That's better

[Ouroboros]

But Kaede, please stop threatening me with policy lynches to get me to do what you want.

[OnTheMark]

So why arent we lynching dave. Idgi

Because it's not a hard guilty, albeit dave isnt surviving to endgame certainly. There's several other factors that could explain the missing nightkill than a super roleblock on dave.

Then... if hes not making it till end game. Still has a high chance of flipping scum.... why not lynch now? Like he 100% doesnt make till end game. Abd he could actually be guilty. I see no downside.

They don’t want to because I am “Math” :/

[OnTheMark]

VOTE: Wraith

At least this has a chance of being scum

[Ouroboros]

No, we don't want to because we don't agree with your reasoning.

My level of brute forcing thing is an exception not the rule.

[Ramcius]

But Kaede, please stop threatening me with policy lynches to get me to do what you want.

well, you're a good teacher i guess

[MariaR]

7 pages pls god no