Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

its going to be something like kokichi/realmen/nsg and my reads are crap

[Wisdom]

nsg is a distant option, ill obviously vote g3 over g1 which contains at least one town

[Wisdom]

town do antitown actions bu
it makes more sense than eddie deciding to scumclaim

[Wisdom]

do you townread both fitz and realmen

[Wisdom]

why do you townread me

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:

damn

maybe lynching g1 is best after all

whether its eddie or realmen the other scum has to be nsg here

[Wisdom]

right
and who is scum with bu?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: group 1

[Wisdom]

bu is town. bu-scum does not fake all of this thought process. he might be very wrong about things but hes town. if im right on something this game, it's this.

[Wisdom]

i dont know your scum meta and dont care
youre scum because youre trying to push bu and because poe

[Wisdom]

also

right
and who is scum with bu?

[Wisdom]

bu why doesnt nsg/kokichi/rmoj make sense in your theory?

[Wisdom]

there wasnt

talk

, thats what happened

[Wisdom]

But even then it's a dick move to force his reads on us without discussing the switch first.

it is, but its not a scum move
how it was done probably means he didnt think about it very much

[Wisdom]

I'm just not going to play the game with the assumption that town!eddie made a move that is not just bad but doesn't make sense regardless of who he is scumreading.

I'm hung up on eddie scum. Help me with that and I'll consider lynching myself.

You have to though. Eddie being dumb here makes more sense than him being scum.

[Wisdom]

by the way wisdom, mind unvoting?

yes
we're lynching you today

[Wisdom]

bu the scumteam is nsg/kokichi/rmoj

when you realize eddie can be town youll see it

[Wisdom]

yep
though technically g3 is safe too with this team as it contains two scum
But i feel like nsg is going to be scum either way so g1 is the best

[Wisdom]

if we lynch g2 and eddie flips scum we'll win. Only a handful of potential teammates for him.

And thats why scum eddie doesnt do it
If they wanted kokichi to be hard to lynch, theyd make the groupings so without using his move

[Wisdom]

I see no way in bleep that scum created a group with 2+ scum in it today.

kokichi wasnt in g3 in the groups scum made though

[Wisdom]

you were talking about why you're not considering voting g3

[Wisdom]

the way i see it
Scum go 1:1:1
They put nsg with me - they know I won't let a lynch on myself and a townread to happen, so their most townread member is safe
They put Kokichi with the two most likely to be suspected due to claims - this is a lynch they're fine with because 2 townies for 1 scum
They put RMOJ with fitz who is a scumread for many and bu that is the other possibly guilty - another lynch they're fine with for the same reason

Both of these lynches would lead to 5p with 2 scum alive

[Wisdom]

it wasnt, dude, stop it
youve been reasonable so far, why are you so stuck on this now

[Wisdom]

great input

[Wisdom]

because?

[Wisdom]

eh i dont agree with this
the "doc" was essentially another group manipulation role
the cop isnt, it doesnt have to be inthread

[Wisdom]

but i agree kokichi is scum so it doesnt matter

[Wisdom]

you handwave your suspicion on me and nsg too much for my liking

why cant it be nsg/me/kokichi? and thats not even including the muffin possibilities

[Wisdom]

"dead townies wanted fitz" is not an excuse
i really really doubt you thought of the dead townies and their reads while impulse switching

@eddie obv

[Wisdom]

eddie specifically wanted me to move kokichi out of g2 and lynch g2, which would actually have a worse result than what we got

[Wisdom]

you handwave your suspicion on me and nsg too much for my liking

why cant it be nsg/me/kokichi? and thats not even including the muffin possibilities

It can be. Fitz and Roj are more likely.

based on what?
and are you saying they are both scum?

[Wisdom]

eddie specifically wanted me to move kokichi out of g2 and lynch g2, which would actually have a worse result than what we got

No, I specifically wanted to lynch group 2 and said if you had to move someone move Kokichi. This was beause you were claiming a 100% confident townread and I wasn't aware of how many PRs we had at the time.

If I had done what you wanted we would have 5 townies dead (assuming I swapped kokichi with a townie). Which is one more than we have now. So how the fuck are you still criticizing what happened?

[Wisdom]

what "quicklynch" are you even talking about? day took way too long

[Wisdom]

i changed my mind again
eddie is scum
this is fucking bs

[Wisdom]

eddie specifically wanted me to move kokichi out of g2 and lynch g2, which would actually have a worse result than what we got

No, I specifically wanted to lynch group 2 and said if you had to move someone move Kokichi. This was beause you were claiming a 100% confident townread and I wasn't aware of how many PRs we had at the time.

If I had done what you wanted we would have 5 townies dead (assuming I swapped kokichi with a townie). Which is one more than we have now. So how the fuck are you still criticizing what happened?

And my plan was to donate Kokichi or Fitz back to group 2 after because you were sussing me, but if they end up being town feel free to criticize me.

yeah right
you wanted me to use an action so you can cancel it
because thats how town uses their power

[Wisdom]

what "quicklynch" are you even talking about? day took way too long

the fact

from the time i went offline

yall did another swap and lynched them

and i was literally gone under a day

it was decided we're lynching group 3 since i decided im making the swap. It was in no way, shape or form a quicklynch. If anything, it took way too long. Stop trying to push ridiculous narratives.

[Wisdom]

are you fucking kidding me now? are you in a different game? I did the swap because we would lynch group 3, there was no alternative. This was extensively discussed yesterday.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
consider my vote on group 2

[Wisdom]

im not talking to you anymore
VOTE: group 2

[Wisdom]

VOTE: group 1

eddie/nsg/kokichi

Just prefer this because nsg is certain to be scum whether it's eddie or not

[Wisdom]

if you are scum youve put kokichi in g3 so you can win otherwise youd put him in g1
therefore youre scum with nsg

if you are town then its realmen/kokichi/nsg
scum dont put both of them in g3

there is the possibility muffin is scum but i think hes town

[Wisdom]

scum dont put both of them in the biggest group
therefore its one in g3 and nsg

[Wisdom]

because they arent stupid

[Wisdom]

and also they cant lose today
1:1:1 is best

[Wisdom]

im not townreading you

you/nsg/kokichi is more likely after your posts

[Wisdom]

Post 1736 by Wisdom is odd. Wisdom is using Koki's guilty result in justifying his read change on Koki. So if you believe (or know) Koki's guily is legit...how can you say the guilty is either on him (Koki) or BuJaber? It's like you are dismissing something you know to be true to support something that isn't. You also leave out the fact you are in the guilty group as well. smh....

dude
either the guilty is legit or kokichi is scum
therefore either kokichi or bu is scum
and i am (and was) townreading bu more than kokichi
therefore im absolutely justified in now scumreading kokichi and kokichi is just trying to shade

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom...why in an nsg, Eddie, Koki scenario is G1 not an option? You have the suspicions you garnered from D1. You infer NSG could be scum. I prefer G1 over G2 for those reasons alone. If we are wrong on you (and on NSG) and still get at least one scum in G1...that prevents us from (in your case) having to deal with heavy suspicions tomorrow towards you. I think zMuff is more a suspect due to set up spec? And I'm not even sure what the scumreading of Eddie is about other than his Koki move this morning.

keep reading. im voting G1.

[Wisdom]

@Wisdom...how could there have been "a worse result than we actually got" wrt the D1 group lynch? I would say losing 4 town and no scum was pretty fcuking bad. If you have moved Koki out of G2 and we'd lynched G2...there's no gaurantee we wouldn't have hit 1 or 2 scum.

if i had swapped kokichi for, say, cakez, we'd have 5 townflips
ie 1 more than we got

[Wisdom]

fitz continues being town today imo

pretty sure we're looking at kokichi/nsg/{eddie or realmen}

[Wisdom]

^needs death

[Wisdom]

bs

[Wisdom]

i take immense joy on the fact you cant scumread me in this position

[Wisdom]

I can literally claim scum and yet youll keep townreading me

[Wisdom]

you have to wonder what kokichi's plan would have been as scum - fake a guilty on his own group and get himself lynched?

This has been discussed a million times

[Wisdom]

And, i don't care how confident you are - don't ignore my questions.

I am scum, i can do whatever i want. You won't vote me anyway.

[Wisdom]

maybe nsg is scum

Yeah better start bussing now

[Wisdom]

Yep, thats what im hoping
Hope its working

[Wisdom]

hint: its nsg

[Wisdom]

how is eddie 4

[Wisdom]

yeah no

[Wisdom]

you do not see him doing this move if hes scum with nsg and kokichi?

[Wisdom]

ugh then theres no point talking with you
kokichi cant be more obvscum

[Wisdom]

Fitz is town and just being stupid

[Wisdom]

nsg magically doesnt scumread any of wisdom, eddie, muffin and pushes group 3
eddie magically doesnt scumread any of wisdom, nsg, muffin and pushes group 3
realmen lurks until its time to hammer

wake up people.

[Wisdom]

i mean only 2 of these three are scum with kokichi but yeah

[Wisdom]

Wisdom I don't want to lynch you on the off chance that nsg isn't just town and derping hard here. Vote with me?

no. again, the possibilities are kokichi/nsg/eddie and kokichi/nsg/realmen

I am not risking lynching eddie and having it be realmen

[Wisdom]

and likewise im not lynching g3 and have it be eddie

We are lynching nsg. nsg is scum no matter who is the third.

[Wisdom]

This is the D2 partition for reference:

1	2	3
northsidegal	Eddie Cane	BuJaber
Wisdom	Kokichi Oma	havingfitz
	zMuffinMan	REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE

These are all the possibilities if both me and nsg are town:

Eddie/Kokichi/Bu
muffin/Kokichi/Bu
Bu/Kokichi/fitz
Bu/Kokichi/Realmen

Those are all extremely unlikely because Bu and Kokichi being both scum means that Kokichi fakeclaimed a guilty on a group that contained himself AND a buddy.

Eddie/Kokichi/muffin

Scum lose on a G2 lynch. Okay, sure, Eddie has the move so he'll move Kokichi out, but this is a bad grouping for scum because Eddie and muffin are bound to be suspected because of roles. If town ends up lynching G2 after the move, Kokichi is a natural follow up so they're still losing.

Eddie/Kokichi/fitz
Eddie/Kokichi/Realmen

Unlikely because Eddie doesn't move Kokichi to the group his other scumbuddy is in. He had infinite excuses to move him to G1.

muffin/Kokichi/fitz
muffin/Kokichi/Realmen
Eddie/Bu/muffin

Slightly more probable than muffin/Kokichi/Eddie but still, it's unlikely muffin chooses to group himself with Kokichi and Eddie. It's a group that gets lynched most of the time and losing two scum is not a good idea.

muffin/Bu/fitz
muffin/Bu/Realmen

Same as above, except it's even worse. If G2 isn't lynched and G3 is, muffin loses both buddies.

Eddie/Bu/fitz
Eddie/Bu/Realmen

Eddie does not move the heavily suspected Kokichi to a group with TWO of his buddies, especially since this brings Bu and Kokichi in the same group and makes it the most likely lynch to go through.

fitz/Bu/Realmen

Nope. Scum don't all go in G3. And if they did this they'd at least put Kokichi and me together to make it likely that's what's getting lynched.

fitz/Kokichi/Realmen

A little better than the above but still a risky choice when Bu is one of the guilties. Lynching G3 gets rid of two scum and Bu, and basically makes sure Kokichi is never winning this.

[Wisdom]

So, everyone. Unless you want to tell me why one of the above scumteams is likely to be the case, you should vote G1.

[Wisdom]

eddie and nsg both ignore my post and push other angles

lel

[Wisdom]

bu id rather you kept your vote on so we can start crossing off scumteams when they dont hammer

[Wisdom]

hey look wis I'm bussing my second partner now

yeah only to prove a point that g3 is still better
not exactly bussing

[Wisdom]

i dont agree with you being town so no

Again, tell me what non-nsg scumgroups make sense and why.

[Wisdom]

Yes, I completely disregard it. I've killed people to confuse town countless times. It's wifom.

[Wisdom]

sure @bu

[Wisdom]

kok / fitz / roj

Why do they put themselves in the same group? What is their plan here?

[Wisdom]

yeah and if they get lynched kokichi is never winning because it becomes me vs kokichi
If that was the plan they'd put Bu with me and nsg with them

[Wisdom]

it doesnt matter
refer to my long post for why no muffin team is likely

[Wisdom]

yeah and if they get lynched kokichi is never winning because it becomes me vs kokichi
If that was the plan they'd put Bu with me and nsg with them

if they got lynched yesterday they also lose

what's your point lol

yesterday they werent in the same group

[Wisdom]

no it isnt
nsg just doesnt want more scumteams to be ruled out
eddie/muffin is already out

[Wisdom]

Pedit - interesting development.. when did eddie/muffin get eliminated????!!!

theyre both here and not hammering

[Wisdom]

they have daytalk, its not hard to coordinate an unstoppable quickhammer

[Wisdom]

it's 5 to lynch, not that i think eddie/muffin was realistic anyways.

there are 3 votes on g1.

[Wisdom]

i am incredibly obviously scum

agreed

[Wisdom]

I told you why its not that team Eddie

roj and fitz dont put themselves in the same group, and especially not with Bu

They lose if G3 is lynched because Kokichi does not survive the 1v1 with me

And if they want to absolutely win today they put nsg with them, not Bu. They put Bu with me to make it likely G1 is lynched.

[Wisdom]

dont fucking unvote

[Wisdom]

youre letting nsg get to you ffs

[Wisdom]

no wifom just simple logic

[Wisdom]

yay ate

[Wisdom]

until you vote g1 no

[Wisdom]

who the fuck cares about what reads dead people had eddie?

what makes them right or wrong?

[Wisdom]

Imagine I died overnight or got lynched yesterday

You would now be citing that I was townreading Kokichi and nsg

We dont even know if they would currently still have those reads

[Wisdom]

what do I not get? You're saying for example that Pine scumread Bu. For all you know Pine would read Bu's today posts and be certain he's town. Therefore you can't use that read, it's outdated

[Wisdom]

k now actually bus nsg by voting g1

[Wisdom]

itt scum trying to get bu to unvote before further confirmations spell the final doom for them

[Wisdom]

I'm not entirely convinced muffin and eddie could have hammered.. muffin disappeared around the same time. It is possible he missed any chance of coordinating with eddie.

nope, they both posted a lot in that window. Scum have daytalk. They don't miss this.

[Wisdom]

too bad they dont make sense as team due to partition

[Wisdom]

still loling at how youre taking potshots at me for my role usage when the action you wanted from me would have worse results

[Wisdom]

too bad they dont make sense as team due to partition

sure

but this doesnt change lynching two xcum today being optimal and using the associations yo pick between nsg and muffin (safe path)

so muffin/kokichi/g3 scum

Why does muffin partition like this?

[Wisdom]

you dont get to say that until postgame buddy

?
youve locktowned bu and me, havent you? so you agree that that action would have killed 5 townies

[Wisdom]

stop avoiding to follow simple logic because it leads where you dont want to

[Wisdom]

kokichi isnt a townie

you wanted me to move kokichi out

[Wisdom]

i dont agree with you because im not townreading you

[Wisdom]

and no, simple logic is that muffin does not partition in a way that kills him and loses the game

therefore there is no choice between muffin and nsg, its nsg. and you have zero excuse not voting her.

[Wisdom]

kokichi isnt a townie

you wanted me to move kokichi out

so I could undo your action because it was anti town, yes. notice how I never stopped voting the group with kokichi? lmao.

So why didnt you undo it? You could have moved Riku back.

[Wisdom]

I was fine not lynching him.

What?

[Wisdom]

Yeah, youre saying that if i had switched kokichi, you woukd have put him back
Why did you not do it with riku?

[Wisdom]

lmfao

[Wisdom]

That alone tells me all i need to know
Riku was objectively scummier than everyone in g2

[Wisdom]

it doesnt matter what he flipped
Theres no way you look at riku's play and decide hes town enough to not move him back while youd do it for kokichi
Youre bullshiting left and right

[Wisdom]

why cant it exist? You only learned today of dv's role so that clearly wasnt in your thought process yesterday

[Wisdom]

Not that i agree that dv's role means anything but yeah

[Wisdom]

1shot was fine with the setup
You just felt the need to doubt the claim because you knew its fake
And since kokichi wanted g2 to be lynched anyway it worked for you

[Wisdom]

no, unless you moved kokichi back which feels like total bs since you didnt move Riku back, it would have lynched 5 town

And no im not voting g3.

[Wisdom]

If roj was scummier then youd have moved riku to g2 since roj was also in g2

[Wisdom]

Youre saying you wanted kokichi dead
Youre saying rmoj was scummy for you
Both were in G2 after my swap
All you had to do was move Riku there and thus force a lynch on g2
Yet you didnt

[Wisdom]

nonsensical tunneler

yet somehow nobody can ever explain how I don't make sense

[Wisdom]

nonsensical tunneler

yet somehow nobody can ever explain how I don't make sense

i don't even know what the reasons

for

you scumreading me are outside of "you're pushing bujaber and PoE".

lmao
Its not like ive explained why every team without you is not a thing

[Wisdom]

A scumflip why?
I accounted for every team possible

[Wisdom]

partitioning is not like voting or killing

You can vote or kill someone for wifom, and if it backfires, oh well, you can fight it. Partitioning in a certain way and having it backfire can instantly cost the game.

You cant tell me that muffin puts himself with eddie and kokichi for wifom when thats the group that will get lynched 95% of the time.
You cant tell me fitz and realmen risk the game on g3 not getting lynched given the gamestate.

[Wisdom]

welp nsg was right. I shouldnt expect scum to think like I do. Apparently muffin underestimated me and thought people would scumread me and/or not listen to me, because otherwise G2 was the lynch and that'd be terrible for this scumteam.

Oh well, gg.

[Wisdom]

G1: Wisdom-NSG-Fitz, G2: Eddie-Kokichi-REAL MAN, G3: Buj-Me

I'd still go after G2 in this, and assuming Eddie made the same move (to either G1 or G3), that'd be still bad for you, yeah

Yeah, I guess predicting that Eddie moves one of you makes the partition you used good after all

[Wisdom]

eh i was biased
on d1 I had you

[Wisdom]

reading the scum pt and realizing fitz kind of went against the wishes of the others and submitted the d2 partition just because he didnt like his placement in it

#one more reason why trying to outguess scum was bad

[Wisdom]

i really want to know what got wisdom paranoid of NSG

whether it was something she said, something i said or some combination of both

Her Bu push. I felt Bu was the most obvtown person in the game and seeing her push him just made me go "hell no".

But you did help me step back from my tunnel on Eddie there and I townread you for that

[Wisdom]

my point was more "fitz changed the partition" while in my speculations I was assuming that muffin would have decided the partition so that made my speculation be shit

[Wisdom]

i didnt, i was just wrong in finding it impossible Kokichi is fakeclaiming
otherwise my reads on muffin and fitz were correct

[Wisdom]

that i did
twice over