It’s military shorthand for Standard Operating Procedure.In post 3973, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:What is SOP?
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There’s no subtle way to ask this, so I’m just gonna ask. What do you think that Party Starter I sent implies for OTM’s alignment?
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What PartyStarter?In post 3976, Alchemist21 wrote:There’s no subtle way to ask this, so I’m just gonna ask. What do you think that Party Starter I sent implies for OTM’s alignment?
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Please stop being dumb.In post 3972, OnTheMark wrote:This feels very very wrong.
If there has to be nuance with Dave there has to be nuance with Jungle.
If there isn’t nuance with Dave then there isn’t nuance with Jungle.
Not sure how many times I've said the same thing - I townread Dave, I townread Jungle, I didn't and don't want to lynch either.
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It's called town thinking that this game is lost if someone doesn't pull their head out of their ass.In post 3967, Impossibear wrote: 5) Dave's reaction to OTM wanting to lynch him all D2.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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SOP = Standard Operating Procedure. Like, a "rule of thumb".In post 3973, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:What is SOP?Jangle and ESL!
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ohhhhh... that's a good question. I didn't even make that connection. I will discuss with Jingle - he's much better at thinking along those lines.In post 3976, Alchemist21 wrote:There’s no subtle way to ask this, so I’m just gonna ask. What do you think that Party Starter I sent implies for OTM’s alignment?
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Yeah, so my problem here is basically that because I only know you outside of mafia, I only know your "other" internet personality, and this doesn't match it.In post 3979, davesaz wrote:
It's called town thinking that this game is lost if someone doesn't pull their head out of their ass.In post 3967, Impossibear wrote: 5) Dave's reaction to OTM wanting to lynch him all D2.
I'm inclined to think that people are more likely to match their true personalities when they are town, and more likely to exhibit bravado as scum.Jangle and ESL!
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1. It depends on what the motivation overall was. I think the check itself was sketchy, but... I don't necessarily think it's scummy since RC probably had a big hand in deciding the target.In post 3967, Impossibear wrote:Why don't you help me out though - can you give me your thoughts on these? More than one sentence would be preferable so I can get a good idea of where your head is
1) Where do you stand on Maria's claims, the track choice, etc.?
2) Same q. re: Jungle, and his "blunder".
3) OTM supposedly blocking the same person twice, tunnelling on Dave, etc.?
4) Wilky.
5) Dave's reaction to OTM wanting to lynch him all D2.
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2. eh... It's believable that he's out of it, but I don't really want to judge his response entirely until he pops in and says more. I don't think what I've seen already is enough to decide whether it's derptown or a scum play.
3. 100% normal. It's either town-indicative or NAI, probably the latter.
4. I think the block claim is probably town, actually. He went about it weirdly for a scum gambit.
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Have you noticed my Minecraft tendency to avoid dying at all costs? I'm the guy who doesn't go to the nether before I have flight of some kind if it can be helped.
Extend that to mafia. I may pay lip service to being lynched for the common good (and did in this case btw), but rolling over is not in my nature.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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The difference is every question asked to you had Jungle as a possible scumspect and that you’re going through with this one despite not wanting to and didn’t go through with the Dave one despite not wanting to. Again what is the difference?In post 3978, Impossibear wrote:
Please stop being dumb.In post 3972, OnTheMark wrote:This feels very very wrong.
If there has to be nuance with Dave there has to be nuance with Jungle.
If there isn’t nuance with Dave then there isn’t nuance with Jungle.
Not sure how many times I've said the same thing - I townread Dave, I townread Jungle, I didn't and don't want to lynch either.
Where is the disconnect?
It looks like you’re going out of your way to avoid calling Jungle scum while pointing out scummy things.
Who shoots you? Jungle or RCdra.
RCdra is dead and confirmed town.
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In post 2223, Impossibear wrote:FTR, playerlist based only:
Likely to shoot our slot:
Jungle>RCdra>random player caught confirmable crumbs.
It's not a hard guilty on Dave or RC, but it is definitely good evidence. We need to reread Dave to make sure you're not wrong there ETL.
Regardless, RC isn't the right play specifically today, because if Jungle is scum RC becomes conftown in my book and we learn that tomorrow based on the quest existing/not existing.
PEdit: Are you saying the mod didn't tell you about previous actions? If so, did you ask if your slot had acted previously?-
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???? If we're voting Jungle, it's because Jingle did it. You do realize Impossibear is a hydra with two people, and the ETL half has repeatedly clarified to you the same things over and over and yet you still don't seem to understand that ETL and Jingle are two different people?In post 3985, OnTheMark wrote:The difference is every question asked to you had Jungle as a possible scumspect and that you’re going through with this one despite not wanting to and didn’t go through with the Dave one despite not wanting to. Again what is the difference?
?? I don't think either?? Prior to RC-flip I'd have bet on RC shooting us if they were scum. Jingle is the one who thought Jungle was a second possibility. He's the one who wants to lynch him. As I said in my earlier post today, the one I even requoted for you, that you apparently are having a very hard time understanding or even reading.It looks like you’re going out of your way to avoid calling Jungle scum while pointing out scummy things.
Who shoots you? Jungle or RCdra.
RCdra is dead and confirmed town.
??? "going out of your way"? You've repeatedly asked me the same dumbass question that I've repeatedly answered the same way and suddenly I'm "going out of my way" to state something you keep asking me?You’re going out of your way here to say you don’t want it yet your ISO points to that you should.
You are really frustrating to speak with, if only because it seems like you have trouble understanding basic concepts of language, and I really don't have the patience to continue. I've answered the same questions multiple times. If you still don't get it, that is entirely your problem.Jangle and ESL!
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In post 3986, OnTheMark wrote:In post 2223, Impossibear wrote:FTR, playerlist based only:
Likely to shoot our slot:
Jungle>RCdra>random player caught confirmable crumbs.
It's not a hard guilty on Dave or RC, but it is definitely good evidence. We need to reread Dave to make sure you're not wrong there ETL.
Regardless, RC isn't the right play specifically today, because if Jungle is scum RC becomes conftown in my book and we learn that tomorrow based on the quest existing/not existing.
PEdit: Are you saying the mod didn't tell you about previous actions? If so, did you ask if your slot had acted previously?THIS IS A JINGLE POST.Jangle and ESL!
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Oh good, Ank answered so I can weigh in without tainting the results.
1. Regarding the track target, I gave my opinion on the relative value of sorting the neighbor vs. sorting someone else. You hood someone you think is town and try to catch scum outside the hood. If you get a "went nowhere" on someone who did visit then you get an unexpected bonus guilty but it should not be the first goal. Does RC/Anony see it the same way? I don't know...
2. The role feels like a possible scum dreaming god. I initially thought it was town but not so much. If I read Jungle's ISO it's mostly meaningless drivel. For me a lynch there would not be policy.
3. OTM is most likely town and his tunnel is OTM-indicative but otherwise NAI.
4. The only reason scum miller claims is if they expect a town rolecop. The slow cop claim could be fake to avoid getting policy lynched but if it were a fake claim then why not just go ahead and claim an inno?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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No....? Where did I say he's town because the quest failed? Please quote that.In post 3988, OnTheMark wrote:Yet you’re talking about Jungle town because of the quest failing.
I said I felt he was town by play.
Like.. jesus christ..In post 3958, Impossibear wrote:
The answer would depend on the team I guess. SOP would dictate we lynch the crap out of Jungle, which I think Jingle wants to do.In post 3957, Ankamius wrote:Does the scumteam decide to just go on a WIFOM chase after losing someone Day 1 though?
I don't particularly want to as I think it's a town role, with town flavor, from a player who's been playing pretty town-ly, in my opinion. My only problem is that I've been wrong this entire game so *shrug* I have no faith in my own reads anymore.
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FUCKING READ MAYBE???
Stop bothering me with idiotic questions that have already been answered. In the same damn post no less, the same post you continually ignore.Jangle and ESL!
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I can't say that I've noticed this one way or the other tbh... so I don't know. But that's only how you would react in a self-preservationist position. If you are vanilla as you said, this inclinationIn post 3984, davesaz wrote:Have you noticed my Minecraft tendency to avoid dying at all costs? I'm the guy who doesn't go to the nether before I have flight of some kind if it can be helped.shouldbe lessened.
Ok but if you're town, wouldn't getting your flip be beneficial for everyone? I'm just trying to understand the thought process - why you view it as "rolling over" as opposed to "taking one for the team".Extend that to mafia. I may pay lip service to being lynched for the common good (and did in this case btw), but rolling over is not in my nature.Jangle and ESL!
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Oh yeah good point. RC was hard-townreading Maria though. Do you think that read allowed Maria to influence RC in any way? (Personally I don't think anyone could influence RC, even a townread, but.. still)In post 3983, Ankamius wrote:
1. It depends on what the motivation overall was. I think the check itself was sketchy, but... I don't necessarily think it's scummy since RC probably had a big hand in deciding the target.In post 3967, Impossibear wrote:Why don't you help me out though - can you give me your thoughts on these? More than one sentence would be preferable so I can get a good idea of where your head is
1) Where do you stand on Maria's claims, the track choice, etc.?
2) Same q. re: Jungle, and his "blunder".
3) OTM supposedly blocking the same person twice, tunnelling on Dave, etc.?
4) Wilky.
5) Dave's reaction to OTM wanting to lynch him all D2.
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What's your experience with OTM? Are you saying "100% normal" for majority town players or for OTM specifically?2. eh... It's believable that he's out of it, but I don't really want to judge his response entirely until he pops in and says more. I don't think what I've seen already is enough to decide whether it's derptown or a scum play.
3. 100% normal. It's either town-indicative or NAI, probably the latter.
I think I agree with you here.4. I think the block claim is probably town, actually. He went about it weirdly for a scum gambit.
Thanks Ank - appreciate it.5. He's in my PoE list mainly because I don't have an opinion on him either way. He's not a player I can read, generally.
What does your current PoE list look like right now?
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So are you saying you think wilky is town, then?In post 3991, davesaz wrote:4. The only reason scum miller claims is if they expect a town rolecop. The slow cop claim could be fake to avoid getting policy lynched but if it were a fake claim then why not just go ahead and claim an inno?
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p-edit: ????????? Maria isn't in a hood with dunn. Then who???Jangle and ESL!
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Ok I think Maria being sketch about the details here when there is so obviously a huge town benefit
is scummy AF
She's posted several times... several opportunities to clarify details, provide town information, etc. She's done none of that at all.Jangle and ESL!
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HaIn post 3982, Impossibear wrote:I'm inclined to think that people are more likely to match their true personalities when they are town, and more likely to exhibit bravado as scum.
Also stop fishing Maria, she'll reveal information later
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