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[Lycanfire]

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Want to take a look at the people that were doubting the IC claim.

990[/post-[post]991 is... Too damn prophetic for explaining lack of OM kill?

[Lycanfire]

But if OM is scum he can't kill himself

The btw lycanfine post after is already explained?

[Firebringer]

lol i get this idea that Old Man lied again about another role and then Lycan countered by lying also.

[Axelrod]

We are presented with 4 possibilities:

(1) Old Man Town/Lycan Scum
(2) Old Man Scum/Lycan Town
(3) Both Town
(4) Both Scum

I'm not digging in right now, but I pretty much want to dismiss the last two out of hand. Both Town would seem to involve such an incredible coincidence and bad luck that I can't believe it. Both Scum is just way way too convoluted as a gambit.

So I'm still going to be on one of these people. Lycan's claim which appears to be making a push for us to believe (3) is giving Old Man a lot more credibility, I have to say.

[Pine]

Honestly I think both are telling the truth.

[Firebringer]

Doubt it heavily

[Ginngie]

why not both

[Firebringer]

That doesn’t make sense

[Pine]

It kinda does Growlithe fren

You know what

I'm feeling this

VOTE: Firebringer

<3

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Pine

get your game on
It’s time to duel

[Axelrod]

You guys understand how horrifically unlucky we would have to be for them to both be Town? And how conveniently the claims now line up? It's too much.

[Pine]

It's really not convenient at all. It doesn't require much in the way of coincidence, either. Most of all, this is ridiculously risky for a scum gambit, because if there's another robust investigator out there, claim it and we bag both of these scum.

Bring it, Fire. I'm rubber and you're glue, mofo.

[Firebringer]

You guys understand how horrifically unlucky we would have to be for them to both be Town? And how conveniently the claims now line up? It's too much.

Either way they self resolve

[Firebringer]

(1) Old Man Town/Lycan Scum
(2) Old Man Scum/Lycan Town
(3) Both Town
(4) Both Scum

(1) Lycan has to clear town/buss buddies and has to kill OldMan
(2) OldMan has to clear town/buss buddies and has to kill Lycan
(3) We get clears/guilties and the scum have to kill these two.
(4) They both have to clear people and have to buss their buddy.

Pretty much self resolving.

4 and 3 are both very unlikely.

[Tammy]

I am quite drunk at the moment so sorry if I don't make sense, but I saw this claim/counter claim not really counter claim earlier and I've thought about the possibilities.

If Lycan is telling the truth, then you know what I'm pretty super happy I hipshot to KMD and people jumped on for some reason because I'd have probably picked Lycan over Axel. No that it really matters worth a shit because even night, but still. But one thing I do have to wonder is that Lycan was in serious fucking contention for being lynched yesterday, and I'll have to look but I don't remember anything in the way of you guys shouldn't lynch me I'm a fucking cop at all, so that's playing into my is this for real meter atm.

Lycan scum can't claim vig right now because hi only one kill

so Eddie - What do you think? Is he really the cop?

and I hate I HATE that I said I wasn't going to care about fake claiming possible townies and here I am debating old man's claim. It's pretty much one of the few reasons I'd accept a fake claim at this point. But still like he claimed under barely any pressure, which is hypocritical of me to criticize because i'm a notorious early claimer, but he had an actual reason which makes the jumpy preclaim a bit less eh hey townie jumpiness.

And it bugs me that neither of those fuckers stayed around or commented at all. And that Old Man was like "oops" had to be prodded. Like if I got a guilty result I'd be in here post haste and he's like salsa dancing over there in the corner while he knows damn well we're all sitting here waiting on his confirmation.

Old man just doesn't bother checking back in to see what his guilty says in his defense?

Lycan lays down a burm burm burm someone seemed like they didn't believe old man need to go check back on it fizzle thrbprt.

Can the fucking town in this town act like they're fucking town because like really???

I doubt they're both probably scum because and my first inclination was they're scum trying to out fake claims but then that really seemed stupid, but the only way they're both scum is they hail mary'd the fuck out of this and fiqured they'd get one of the other lynched and the other would sail to endgame golden as shit, but that seems like a stupid plan so its probably unlikely.

There's a part of me that is like odd-night gunsmith!scum / even-night cop!town makes a hell of a lot of sense, because gunsmith makes the most sense for scum to find the vig/cop but I'm like the gunsmith!scum pushed the fuck out of Lycan all day yesterday and just happened to find the cop? do I believe that scenario.

And for anyone who wonders if that coincidence could happen, yes it could so yes it could both be town.

I'm mostly just like where is the scum outside of those two?

[Tammy]

Also can everyone stop it with their dumb crumbing
I know what your crumbing and you might as well just come out with it
I don’t even hunt for crumbs or claims but you are both obvious @ tammy and @eddie cane

Also I should probably say I forgot to submit an action for this game even though I had an insane amount of time to do so, my bad

Also I haven't crumbed anything in case you think something I've "crumbed" is in conflict with the claims at hand.

[Tammy]

Oh look a wagon.

insanity

Why? Only times you have had a problem with me is 755 and 761, which I responded to here 804. What do you think of what I said there?

vote: insanity

i concur but i'm also gonna need old man to back up his bluff from yesterday or die

It seems like your scumread of me is mostly because you think I'm scumbuddies / has strange interactions with Axel. Do you have other reasons for scumreading me? Why vote me instead of Axel today?

VOTE: insanity018

Happy to park my vote here for now.

Why? What exactly feels 'off' about me?

Even though I wondered the same exact thing, I don't like that you asked rofl why he voted you instead of Axel.

I don't know why. It's a valid question. I just think I would have liked for you to ignore it. But that's hypocritical because i'd have asked to. mrgl.

[Tammy]

VOTE: Kison

I am finding Kison most problematic at the moment. Of every player's posting in the game, I felt that Kison is the player that I should be most mind melding with. He hasn't posted a lot, but he seemed to have a strong focus on pressuring rofl in relation to the Tywin read/wagon 367 441 495 567 609. This is something that I have focused a lot on as well.

Now, roflcoptor has still not provided any meaningful explanation on anything to do with his read of Tywin. Yet, for Kison, this hasn't translated into a scumread of rofl. Later, Kison moves onto a wagon being cheerled by Rofl (Axel wagon) and implies he has no issues with rofl (776). Instead, Kison now finds me skeevy or off.

I don't think this thought process is town-motivated. I think Kison is just moving his vote/reads to where the popular wagon is.

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I still think roflcoptor is scummy.

I still have a scumlean on Tywin/Lycanfire based on their posting. 747 834 835 are making me uncertain about whether they are actually scum as I found the posts felt very authentic tonally.

I have gut reasons for townreading Eddie Cane and Axelrod because they expressed a townread on me

very

early in the game. I think I'm one of the easier mislynches in this playerlist, so I think it would be less likely that scum would try to buddy me early in the game.

If Axel is scum, I think Pine looks really bad. I really don't like his move off Axel onto KMD, saying that he thought that there was no traction on Axel 890. I'm fairly sure there were more people preferring an Axelrod lynch to a Lycan lyncha at that point of the game.

I like this post though.

[Tammy]

VOTE: Kison

I am finding Kison most problematic at the moment. Of every player's posting in the game, I felt that Kison is the player that I should be most mind melding with. He hasn't posted a lot, but he seemed to have a strong focus on pressuring rofl in relation to the Tywin read/wagon 367 441 495 567 609. This is something that I have focused a lot on as well.

Now, roflcoptor has still not provided any meaningful explanation on anything to do with his read of Tywin. Yet, for Kison, this hasn't translated into a scumread of rofl. Later, Kison moves onto a wagon being cheerled by Rofl (Axel wagon) and implies he has no issues with rofl (776). Instead, Kison now finds me skeevy or off.

I don't think this thought process is town-motivated. I think Kison is just moving his vote/reads to where the popular wagon is.

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I still think roflcoptor is scummy.

I still have a scumlean on Tywin/Lycanfire based on their posting. 747 834 835 are making me uncertain about whether they are actually scum as I found the posts felt very authentic tonally.

I have gut reasons for townreading Eddie Cane and Axelrod because they expressed a townread on me

very

early in the game. I think I'm one of the easier mislynches in this playerlist, so I think it would be less likely that scum would try to buddy me early in the game.

If Axel is scum, I think Pine looks really bad. I really don't like his move off Axel onto KMD, saying that he thought that there was no traction on Axel 890. I'm fairly sure there were more people preferring an Axelrod lynch to a Lycan lyncha at that point of the game.

I like this post though.

[Tammy]

So I am not prophetic! I had a dream last night that Eddie Cane died last night, but only because he was one of two of us who passed the basic math skills exam. Not because the rest of us didn't know math, because we all got our math questions correct, but we didn't follow the directions properly. Only Eddie and one other person did, I don't know who, but mafia killed Eddie because he follows directions...and knows math apparently.

I am probably the least educated player here, and I failed grade 10 math.

I mean it was a dream, but maybe you can follow directions better than those more "educated"? :p

That was Marble being marble. You probably found CES scum for the wrong reasons too if you think he voted marble because he was scum baited by marble being egotistical. CES would push and vote marble at the beginning of a game regardless of alignment because that's their history together. (I'm not trying to take away you catching scum there because you were right, but you are missing history.)

Call it gut if you want. Lycan caught CES quick and our entire team agreed he was lock scum by like page 40. It was not cftww. /irrelevant sidenote.

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Well maybe by page 40 he did actual alignment relevant things. I'm not trying to take away a catch from anyone, but I'm just saying what history was there that was probably missed because CES doesn't play much anymore and nobody knows how the two of them interact anymore or probably even marble plays anymore because he plays so intermittently.

But regardless my major point was that he reevaluated there and here was stuck on an early narrative that didn't seem in line with his professed beliefs.

[Eddie Cane]

lost post yay

tldr tune in tomorrow for an exciting round of Shit vs Scum!

[Tammy]

993 might be the least aligmnent indicative post in the history of mafiascum, pine is so full of shit his eyes are brown

I agree with this. I know that pine later calls this post gamesolvey, but I was like sitting in a men's suit shop waiting for my other half to get fitted, holy shit I now know what it's like to just sit and wait and wait for the other half to shop zzzzzz, and was just kinda following crap on my phone and had a visceral WHAT reaction to that post being solvey while nothing else was and that seemed generic.

[Tammy]

i can't get you a hippopotas eddie but i can give you this, one of my ten posts per day.

insert here a gif of brad pitt in troy saying "take it, it's yours"

the jeopardy guys must be getting tired of playing music waiting for old man to post

[Tammy]

So MoI is gonna vote and he'll be at 5 votes

and I'm hammering as soon as it reaches L-1

Magna is already voting him.

[Tammy]

Unvote

The only thing that will make me reconsider is if Lycan comes back and claims that "yes, I have a gun" (while presumably still claiming to be Town).

He denies that, Old Man is gone. Then, if Old Man is just a terrible, terrible Townie, Lycan goes tomorrow. And we have a nice big hole to dig ourselves out of.

???

Did you have such a strong townread on lycan at that point?