Mini 2014: Succinct Mafia (Over)

[SirCakez]

I'm V/LA through Saturday, so posting will be limited. Luckily keeping up shouldn't be an issue!

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Pine for not spoiling that quote wall

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Hiraki
Sheeping Wis onto AA9 looks pretty bad. Wis at least had reasoning initially.
I agree with Pine that AA9's confusion isn't scummy.

[SirCakez]

Although the OMGUS doesn't look great but I'm willing to write it off b/c I know AA9 usually does that from other games I have viewed.

[SirCakez]

I am playing like town, i just value my vote a little more here

What do you mean you value your vote?

Don't assume why I vote. I voted because I didn't like Arch's vote. He had the ability to see past what someone he thought was scum did, and then did it himself.

If I wanted to sheep Wisdom, I would've said something. Instead, I voted after his explanations.

The bottom bit doesn't make any sense. You weren't sheeping Wisdom and yet you waited for his explanations to vote?

[SirCakez]

Post #67:
I just end up being more careful about how i vote here than on my other site

I don't see what the point of being careful with your vote is so early but it's not important so I'll leave it.
IF you were voting hypothetically right now who would you vote and why?

The bottom bit doesn't make any sense. You weren't sheeping Wisdom and yet you waited for his explanations to vote?

Sorry that didn't make sense, mostly due to pronouns. I am voting Arc because Arc is being hypocritical. Arc is being hypocritical by voting someone for bad reasons while saying that Wisdom's reasons were bad. I agree - Wisdom's reasons were bad. Arc's reasons are worse; for a person who is confused on the rules, that same person is going to vote Wisdom for not understanding her viewpoint? That's extremely hypocritical and a position that I think comes from scum rather than town.

This makes more sense. Why couldn't you articulate this with your vote?

[SirCakez]

If i voted for someone it would probably be havingfitz cause his only post is a rvs with nothing really about it

So no one else has done something you'd vote for atm? Because voting someone for not having posted besides RVS is pretty weak.

Hiraki has redeemed himself to me for now.
UNVOTE:

[SirCakez]

His posts have explained his thought process behind his Arc vote so I can buy that it wasn't just a sheep.

[SirCakez]

I think Fitz is a solid vote after that post. Lots of bad scum reads for bad reasons, especially the Mom vote.
VOTE: Fitz
Eevee's uselessness is bothering me but I worry it's just their style to be so cautious and restrained.

[SirCakez]

Lots of bad scum reads for bad reasons, especially the Mom vote.

Explain.

The mom scum read is for completely nai stuff.
The Eevee read as well. Wis scum read I didn't even see reasoning for

[SirCakez]

Lucky what is the scum motivation behind those Eevee things you described?
Arc Hiraki responded to several of my questions, it wasn't just a one post shift.
Fitz "gut/reaction test" explanation reads like major backpedaling.

[SirCakez]

SirCakez, I thought I pretty clearly summarized it at the end--Eevee reads to me as trying not to make waves by making posts with little to no substance, ignoring requests to provide reads, and asking softball questions. Scum benefits by appearing to be active while not drawing too much attention to themselves. I honestly don't know how to make this clearer.

I did not see that, mb. I can see where you're coming from atm but I feel like it may be play style which is why I'm questioning about it.

Fitz "gut/reaction test" explanation reads like major backpedaling.

Where is my vote? I've given my reasons and stand behind them. And her reaction was shit so my vote feels better.

Reactions aren't something you consider with early game votes?

Initially you were calling your reads scum leans for reasons in that wall post. But now you're saying it was for other reasons (gut and etc) which is what bothers me. Not your dedication to your vote.

I need to do some rereading once I get home tonight. I feel like I'm missing stuff.

[SirCakez]

Wtf guys succinct =/= dead thread for 6 hours on a Saturday day 1

[SirCakez]

@mastina requesting prods on Momrangal and TheBrie

Fitz you're confusing me

[SirCakez]

Leaning town on Fitz cause he seems to make sense.

He is making sense??? Please tell.

As in I'm pretty confident in it but I don't expect anyone to trust in it. Last post this page.

Can you talk about why? Dunn is not town at all to me. Null.

Time to reevaluate.
I’m still wary of Eevee but his recent posts are better and this wagon isn’t going anywhere. Also, there are others who are contributing minimally. Actually, Fuzzy hasn’t contributed anything of substance. Most recently:

Tommorow i should be able to post better posts...away from my main computer atm.

if we get to two weeks and we are getting nowhere than i prob will vote for a day limit. i dont want the game to meander and people loose interest.

Sorry for not posting more...still trying to figure things out.

This feels off. There are two different excuses—away from the computer/trying to figure things out. Which is it? Why say both?

This is a reachy as hell reason to scumread someone.

[SirCakez]

Hey cakeman! Why did you call prods on brie and myself but not one on fuzzy?

Fuzzy wasn't in prod range when I checked I believe. I was just checking post counts and saw those two with over 48 hrs since posting (which apparently was wrong somehow).

actually right now I'm at {fitz, Kokichi, fuzzy}

This is a cop-out reads list made of easily to scumreads slots

Tell me more what you think about pine

This is a good call, I wasn't seeing that clearly. I have similar reads which make me feel like I'm also just being lazy and scumreading less active people which is why I want to do a reread. I'll finally have time for that tomorrow.
Also interested in the answer to this question.

actually right now I'm at {fitz, Kokichi, fuzzy}

This is a cop-out reads list made of easily to scumreads slots

Tell me more what you think about pine

I replaced in to become better at town and not hyperposting.

Initial thought is Wisdom is scum and those slots are town except one OR momrangal is scum afraid of Wisdom. Leaning former

VOTE: Wisdom

Will read rest of game Monday

Very interested in help reading Wisdom, as always

[SirCakez]

This game is so slow I forgot about it today and my planned reread <.<
So that will come tomorrow morning lol!

On the Fuzzy question - they seem like burnt out busy low hanging fruit. Just null to me. I don't have any meta on them.

[SirCakez]

I think Wisdom's frustration with the game's posting limits is legit, knowing him. And asking seemingly pointless questions is also a characteristic he has. That said I'd still put him as null, nothing he's said really sticks out.
Gonna do my reread now, and drop some reads while I'm at it since I'm so disorganized.

[SirCakez]

I ended up doing a lot of ISOing too.

Town - Otter, Hiraki
Townlean - Momrangal, Fitz, Dunn
Null - Wisdom, Fuzzy, AA9, Pine, Math/Brie
Scumlean - Kokichi
Scum - Eevee

^ where I'm at

I really like Otter looking back. Feels like they are actually trying to make read progression and advance the game (see their Eevee read reevaluation), and I don't think scum are doing much of that this game.

Upon an ISO Eevee looks a lot worse then I previously thought. A ton of fluff and waffling.

Kokichi is not good either, but not feeling as bad. The tunneling on Wisdom feels like a scum move. 168 really irked me. I also find questioning townreads on yourself to be a scumtell. I am only leaning scum here b/c the play feels different from scum Koki in Partition which has me wary.

What little Fitz has feels better looking back. Does not remind at all of the recent Partition where they were scum who I nailed pretty much immediately. He is confusing but not in a scummy way, if that makes sense.

Dunn moves up to townlean on tone and gut.

I could accept a PL on Fuzzy with how little they are doing.

Other reads I can talk about if wanted. A lot of gut and "vibes" involved with how little content is on the table. I have too many nullreads but I struggle to sort a lot of those players/they have next to no content :/
Math and Wisdom in particular are always nightmares for me to read.

VOTE: Eevee

[SirCakez]

Kokichi is not good either, but not feeling as bad. The tunneling on Wisdom feels like a scum move. 168 really irked me. I also find questioning townreads on yourself to be a scumtell. I am only leaning scum here b/c the play feels different from scum Koki in Partition which has me wary.

If you're saying it's different than my scum play then how are you still scumreading me?

Because it's still scummy play.

@whoever asked I'm townreading Mom b/c it feels like they are actually trying to progress this dead game and I really like their call out on Wisdom's low hanging fruit scumlist.

@Fitz I honestly have forgotten what we were even debating over re;the backpedaling, it was like a week ago.

Fuzzy's 254 was really bad. I'm worried of lynchbaitiness though.
Math what's your meta on Fuzzy?

Also don't like Pine's last post, feels like something useless scum would vomit into the thread to keep up appearances.

[SirCakez]

Like to elaborate on the Mom thing I feel like scum this game would be eager to let the game sink into apathy and inactivity (which it is already mostly in). But Mom's effort to scumhunt and discuss new things seems like the opposite of that.

[SirCakez]

@Sircakez Same potato bullshit at start. Same either lack of catchup/understanding while not contributing as here as a matter of conscience I can't allow this same pattern to exist.

I'm not really seeing the similarities. He was like "I need to catch up" for three posts and then his posting is actual content, not fluffy crud like here. He also replaced in midgame there which convolutes it.
^ don't take that as a defense anyone, that's not the point there.

I think there is scum within {Fuzzy, Fitz, Math, Kokichi, Hiraki}.

When you do a group this large it looks like you're just lining up lynches

This doesn't make any sense.

I don’t like what Fuzzy has done this game. I would not be entirely opposed to seeing him lynched today…but it feels like more of a policy lynch than a lynch for anything he has done. And similar to the criticisms I placed on Eevee for their hypothetical vote on me…I’m rather place a vote on someone who I suspect for things they have done than on someone for a ~PL.
I would not be entirely opposed to seeing him lynched today…but it feels like more of a policy lynch than a lynch for anything he has done. And similar to the criticisms I placed on Eevee for their hypothetical vote on me…I’m rather place a vote on someone who I suspect for things they have done than on someone for a ~PL.

I really like this bit from fitz's wall. Pretty much exactly my sentiments.

Town: {Momrangal, Dunn, LuckyOtter, Arc}
Nulltown: {Pine, Cakez, Eevee}
Null: {Kokichi, Math}
Nullscum: {Fitz, Hiraki, Fuzzy}

No plain scum reads?

I'm thinking Lucky Town.

Fuzzy hardcore scum though.

This is another scumpost from Pine. Pine moves to nullscum.

Math's 283 - I don't see how that was pointless word vomit? They were discussing their scumreads. The pool of scum thing was maybe silly but it's not just pointless.
Not seeing Hiraki scumreads in general. Is it for the Wisdom push or what?

[SirCakez]

not seeing why you dont like that pine post, i agree with both lines

my scumreads are in nullscum rather than scum because I dont have enough experience with those 3 players to be as confident as I'd like
so although I see scummy things I then go "and what if it's just craptown?"

It's not really what he said, but it continues his pattern of vomiting mostly useless stuff into the thread and not real content.

Not seeing Hiraki scumreads in general. Is it for the Wisdom push or what?

well mine is for 266
hiraki feels like he's more interested in shading me rather than sorting me
he acts like hes never played with me and attacks me with crap generic arguments like "wow cant you just sort people by what they're posting?" as if i havent explained i sort people by interacting with them
it just feels like hes ignoring me and just pushing for a mislynch

This is hard to see from my perspective. It would help if Hiraki would talk about other players for a bit.

Math I think you're the only one with Otter scum. Needs more explanation.

[SirCakez]

Can’t talk much.

Jist is reads obviously fake.
Asking questions to look Townie.
Agreed Fuzzy is scum but then never really pushes anything.

Every goddamn post pings me.

Looking at their ISO they are not really pushing anything but I don't think that's indicative of scum necessarily. And the reads/questions don't look fake to me.

I don't think Fitz is a good wagon here.

[SirCakez]

Well how about this
@Otter what have you been doing with your questions this game?

[SirCakez]

SirCakez, I'm mostly just trying to feel people out and making notes to myself. Sometimes I want to see if people are consistent in their statements and responses, if there's any reasoning behind certain statements or votes. For example my question to Fitz re: still forming an opinion on Fuzzy. His response didn't really strike me as meriting a follow-up.

Other questions are legitimately out of curiosity or seeking other points of view. For example, when I asked you about your townlean on momrangal, I really didn't know what you were seeing that I wasn't. When I asked Pine why he was reading Wisdom as town it was a bit of both. Pine's statement was completely unsubstantiated, so I wanted him to clarify, and if he had a good reason to townread him I wanted to know what I was missing.

I could probably be more focused in my questioning, but I feel like this game keeps stalling and I'm just trying to do something to keep things moving in different directions so that we can sort things out. I'll try to do better, but honestly there's just a lot of lurking and bickering going on here and it's getting frustrating.
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On that note, how do we feel about voting in a deadline?

I like this response, I think Math is really wrong here.

@Math maybe Fuzzy wagon isn't happening b/c people prefer other lynches?

Struggling for stuff to say here :/

Vote for deadline

[SirCakez]

tbhj just flipping SOMEONE will help here, game is so dead

[SirCakez]

If Fuzzy were Town, he'd be lynched by now.

If fuzzy flips or Eeve flips town, there has to be at least one scum in each of their wagons.


TheFuzzyLogic99 - 4 (LuckyOtter, MathBlade, Pine, Kokichi Oma)
EeveeLution Army - 3 (SirCakez, Dunnstral, havingfitz)

These are both crap VCA.

@Cakez you think the game is apathetic and needs a flip, join us on Fuzzy.

I'm getting tempted honestly. He's finally bringing content to the table now but it seems like it's only because he's gonna get lynched.

Am i the only one that thinks pine is scum ?

I do! His recent wagon and flip assumptions were awful.

My reads are not really changing overall..

Also heads up guys I'm gonna have to replace out Thursday next week. Leaving for the wilds of summer camp and all. I hope we can lynch someone before that <.<

[SirCakez]

I'm following along. Still not entirely sold on Fuzzy wagon but will definitely go there if we're not getting anywhere in a few days.

[SirCakez]

Hey guys I've been really busy with work sorry. Will be here tomorrow morning! Sorry I'm just exhausted.

[SirCakez]

Last time I played with eevee shes was easy lynchbait for scum. Want more time to analyze her. Lynch fuzzy

Someone already pointed this out but yeah Fuzzy looks to be even moreso lynchbait then Eeevee, so this post sucks.

You never know when a single vote can spread into a full hammer. I have it on who i think is scummiest. Just cause I'm off the main lynches doesn't mean its a valueless lynch

Also this is bad logic too. Especially when we need to get the game moving badly.

Honestly not seeing much to comment on. People still want deadline, people are having petty fights, etc. Wheels are spinning in mud.

Re: Fuzzy's lynchbaiti-ness: I randomly picked a game from his history and found this: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=75044
where his posting style is pretty much exactly the same as here and he was town. Only difference was activity level.

[SirCakez]

viewtopic.php?p=9949534#p9949534

It actually isn’t.

He takes an opinion on the joke? From Hopkins user.

He also remains consistent in the opinions Fuzzy shares.

Here Fuzzy has no opinions and is inconsistent.

I was more referring to the way Fuzzy is very waffly and all like "I need to look at this more..." and doesn't follow some stuff up. It looked similar from a skim.

That said I said I would vote Fuzzy to flip SOMEONE if the game did not move within a few days and it's been a few days.
So
VOTE: Fuzzy

[SirCakez]

And no I am not townreading Fuzzy. I just don't see the strong scum read some have on him. But I do see reason enough to lynch him.

[SirCakez]

Koki IDK what you're loling at. If it's my voting Fuzzy after calling them lynchbait, both you missed the point of that post and I already talked about why.
IDk Hira and Wisdom we can lynch someone who is somewhat sketch and barely helpful and move on or keep waffling in apathy for another week.

[SirCakez]

Fuzzy it's not that I think you're super scummy, I could just go either way and you're obviously a divisive person who needs to flip before endgame.
I would move back to Eevee if that got going again FYI.
I still lightly townread Fitz, so I would not go there atm.

[SirCakez]

Mom why OK?

[SirCakez]

Vote Sir Cake

out of everyone here he seems to ring the most scummiest, I can not see anyone that reads 525 and not get atleast a tinge of scum

Opportunism

Not sure why you're so adamant against a Fuzzy lynch, Wis

Wis already called this but yeah this doesn't make any sense as opportunism. If anything it's somewhat townie to not vote one of your counterwagons.

FYI reminder to all I'll be replacing out tomorrow for irl reason. Maybe whoever replaces me can bring some energy to this game.

[SirCakez]

@mastina can you prod havingfitz? His V/LA ended Monday and he hasn't posted in 5 days.

[SirCakez]

Replacing out now. Can't wait to find out who the scums are when I get back in two months lol

[SirCakez]

I can't even remember my reads from this game aaaaa

[SirCakez]

Ey I was right about pine