Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So i suppose you have a good explanation as to why would MariaR tell the truth about matt visiting no one, and instead together with her scumpartner dave not lie and say who matt visited? They should've known that already.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Because Matt probably visited someone towny like Impossibear which would be a scum claim. Or he made the night kill?

Yes, but it's better to sacrifice one no? That truth was what damned MariaR after all.
There's also the implication that MariaR was getting ready to 1v1 davesaz yesterday, but that wasnt necessary in the end.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I do admit you have convinced me on davesaz, sorry Ankamius for not understanding you before.
Now alchemist has been confirmed by impossibear to have been given a strongwilled article by the name of Party Starter, impossibear is now confirmed to be town.
wilky's confirmed to have had their results messed up with either by redirection or roleblock (probably redirection tbh) why would alchemist do this to impossibear.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Dunno it's kinda hard to trust Dunn over punreader, considering how much Dunn defended Maria.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm starting to get impatient waiting for Jungle tho... It's been over 24 hours since day start already.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Pun’s VCA assumes scum are all doing the same thing. “If 2, why not 3” was used more than once and it’s based on a flawed assumption imo.

And this is a terrible misrep of the VCA. I used it precisely twice; there were far more points than that I raised in the VCA.

????
Sorry but alchemist's point is a very fair one, the points where you said "if 2, why not 3" fit your theory of davesaz and/or alchemist scum, when in reality when do scum ever all do the same thing in regards to voting.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

In reality is more common to say that at least 1 scum was doing something different than their teammates.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I think my brain just short circuited.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

As for Jungle, well he's an alt, so "hasnt logged in since X" doesn't mean anything if said alt isnt in any other games, he could be reading this game from his main for all we know.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

No amount of fake "evidence" is going to change the fact that I'm town.

VOTE: punreader

This is scum making a valiant last ditch effort to mislynch someone, anyone.

If punreader is scum he's made a valuable contribution to the annihilation of his entire team.
He's not being lynched today (albeit not never)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I dunno I think i've done a decent job trying to figure out who's scum, but.
Seems like pretty much everyone disagrees to some extent, dunnstral doesnt want me leading, and everyone is in a rampage.

It's really tiring.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean there can at best be 1-2 scum remaining.
People dont want to cooperate with conf town by helping me figure out stuff.

Most of the "But what ifs" is like "BECAUSE IM RIGHT", that's the feel I get, and it's getting tiring, im starting to think this isnt worth the effort at this point.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

not why pun is town, more why dave is scum. Why is alchemist scum, why is literally anybody scum.

Why should i trust pun's VCA even if he's town.
Why should i trust your theory of dave being scum.
Why should i trust dunn's scumread of alchemist.

I feel like the more you guys try to push me to vote somewhere the less trust i have on you.
And that my comments have fallen on deaf ears only to push everyone's individual agendas.
Of course everyone wants to be right, but all I care about is solving this fricking game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

There's no town cohesion here, I have failed to lead anyone anywhere, im just a joke of an IC.
Maybe RC's right and the only way to make people listen is to strongarm a lynch the way he does.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

alright let's brainstorm then

where are your reads currently at?

I provided this a while back:

Town:

Me
davesaz
punreader
alchemist
wilky

Maybe town

Dunnstral
--Own reads--
Kokichi
Ankamius

Leftovers

Jungle
YT

Of course everyone wants to be right, but all I care about is solving this fricking game.

If you want help solving, you need to tell these yammerheads to shut up about there even being the slightest possibility of me being scum.

So basically what I was doing and falling on deaf ears, then we have demotivational stuff like dunn just like flat out going against me, for no reason other than "You're still alive so you're wrong"

your scumclaiming

like I said

What, elaborate?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

How about OTM was killed because their role was a threat to scum?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If you think a ROLEBLOCKER is no threat to a scumteam with ONE MEMBER LEFT, then you arent thinking hard enough.
However if there's TWO MEMBERS LEFT on the scumteam it's less of a threat, so i suppose you'd be able to procure a 2nd scum candidate.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

How about OTM was killed because their role was a threat to scum?

I concede, that's a fair assumption, but impossibear's role was also a threat to scum, and implicated MariaR, so why not look into that?

Before impossibear died MariaR already was a hard guilty however.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

the way this progression happened, mainly

I remember that davesaz' reaction to being suspected for the block thing was a loooooot different than it is here

THIS is pure survivalism

davesaz here isn't coming into this trying to convince people, he's trying to strongarm it

it's a subtle thing, but very real

Yeah i remember davesaz panicking when i wanted to lynch him instead of matt tho. He wanted to be able to mechanically get MariaR

[Kaede Akamatsu]

How about OTM was killed because their role was a threat to scum?

I concede, that's a fair assumption, but impossibear's role was also a threat to scum, and implicated MariaR, so why not look into that?

Furthermore, let's remember two points:

wilky is claiming to being interfered with all the time.
impossibear had a strongwilled ability courtesy of alchemist.
Suffice to say that'd give scum enough of a reason to want impossibear dead.
A vig they cant tamper with.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway are we gonna wait for Jungle?
As i said earlier im getting inpatient, not waiting for him would mean giving him an extra day coz it's not on him not being able to prove himself today, and this is in case of a dave lynch not ending the game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Or I guess we could always lynch Jungle too.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'd like to be able to finally sort him

Ok wake me up when he appears then.
...zzzZZZ

[Kaede Akamatsu]

davesaz, who are your townreads? i see a lot of claims that you are town in your posting, but not many reflections outwards of who is town. your townreads may have important implications moving forward, in the case you are lynched and flip town.

The only people I'm sure about being town are Kaede and myself, and at the moment I don't even trust Kaede to pursue town wincon.

VOTE: davesaz
I've just about had it with you.
@Alchemist: I'll answer your question when im not in a bad mood.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Man, it took you 4 votes to share that sort of thing?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Very perceptive of you, why do you think lack of bolding is similar to sending the wrong target for an action?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Re-reading D3 to confirm your claims I find it interesting that the first thing jungle votes is scum!projectmatt.
I see your suspicions regarding Jungle, I also see you suspecting Kokichi

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I also got reminded why I found Jungle's role so fricken town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Do remember Jungle has targeted 2 of the ppl that died with his quests on the first 2 nights.
Do remember the "Received a quest to help out the

settlements

" wording.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh right Alchemist.
I have found that Kokichi Oma, from personal experience, tends to be scumread when town, however I have also noticed a distinct lack of activity and "doing stuff" in this game, but im not sure if it means scum as I spectated a single scum game of Kokichi Oma and he was kinda "doing stuff" in that game.

Suffice to say im conflicted enough to not give a definite townread but if he's last scum, i'd expect him to be doing more towards moving the scum wincon forward.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Trying to lynch me is moving the scum wincon forward, how hard do I need to whack you to make you see that?

So you say.
But what if not lynching you IS moving the scum wincon forward?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

More importantly if it's a scum fruit vendor why not let it die D1 instead of the bodyswapper?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well regardless all of dave, Jungle and wilky need to be policy lynched before LyLo.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I guess i'll quote punreader's explanation:

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE:

I explained this before, but perhaps I can simplify; calling Jungle pun is a violation of occam's razor when you take motivations into mind.
To start, let's establish a baseline.

• The motivation of a town player is to further the gamestate such that town can identify who is town/pun and coordinate to lynch and shut down pun.
  
• The motivation of a pun player is to further the gamestate such that pun are positioned to control the town. In a typical pun player, this can be subdivided into three motivations in this approximate strength:
  1. Survive as pun
     
  2. Protect punbuddies
     
  3. Control the town
     
  4. Shut the town down
  (That is not the strength they should be in, but it is the strength pun players play them in.)

Then, with these motivations in mind, examine REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE's actions.
REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE claimed a role which, if specific conditions were fulfilled, would reveal the alignment of a player.
As town, the motivation of this is self-evident; further the gamestate to identify who is town/pun.
As pun, this requires it to be a move for towncred, as a subset of survivalism.

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE then failed to deliver on this promise.
As town, the motivation of this is self-evident; it was a human error.
As pun, this move would require REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE deliberately putting himself in harm's way (violating survivalism), remove his influence from the town (violating controlling the town), for the sake of not giving away a piece of information not likely to directly harm him (not contributing to protecting a punbuddy), which doesn't shut the town down as much as it denies them a service he had the ability to deny them simply by never using it/never claiming it.

If he were pun who intended to not give the service to the town, why not just neglect to claim it or even never use it?
By claiming it and failing to use it properly, he is placing himself in harm's way for no visible benefit.

This is furthered by his usage on Ouroboros.
If REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE is town, the motivation for targeting Ouroboros is self-evident. Ouroboros is the same type of player as Impossibear; a competent hydra in a strong position to gamesolve, and REALMEN had no way of knowing Ouroboros would be the nightkill.

If REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE is pun, the motivation for targeting Ouroboros requires giving up on surviving (as targeting the nightkill will garner further suspicion beyond the already-existing suspicion to come for the failure on Impossibear, setting himself up for the lynch), controlling the town, and protecting punbuddies for the sake of denying the town a service.

Yes, it is possible for REALMEN to be pun, but it requires navigating a labyrinth of justifications.

The simpler answer is he's town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well regardless all of dave, Jungle and wilky need to be policy lynched before LyLo.

Wilky basically has an inno on him though since he got blocked last night. I don't think there's more than 1 scum left.

What makes you think he got blocked last night?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

btw if at any point I see GIF's post that Jungle's being replaced im just lynching that today.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

They were active enough during the last night phase to give me a quest after all.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

A block if true is def an inno if there's 1 scum remaining. Strongman is dead after all.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm just wondering what makes him think he was blocked last night.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

A block if true is def an inno if there's 1 scum remaining. Strongman is dead after all.

Logic fail. Strongman has absolutely nothing to do with slow cop. If the slow cop is even real.

your logic is the one failing.
If there's 1 scum remaining and a kill happened, the blocked player could NOT have made the kill and is therefore town.
This is assuming he's blocked, I havent seen a lick of evidence to suggest OTM did block them.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if OTM had at least said "FINE ILL BLOCK DAVE" or something before the end of yesterday then you'd be an inno right now barring 2 scum remaining instead of 1.
His argument with wanting to block punreader makes that dubious and i have no idea which of the 2 was blocked in the end.
There's even less evidence suggesting he targeted wilky.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

could be a scum roleblocker slip for all i know.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Woops i didnt mean to say that out loud

[Kaede Akamatsu]

UNVOTE:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well regardless all of dave, Jungle and wilky need to be policy lynched before LyLo.

Wilky basically has an inno on him though since he got blocked last night. I don't think there's more than 1 scum left.

What makes you think he got blocked last night?

He claimed it and nobody has counterclaimed getting blocked.

Can't tell if scum or just derp town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway i've decided that im going to trust that OTM blocked dave last night, they did in the end block alchemist after a serious argument with me when we wanted to confirm a track (which in the end was unnecessary)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Is Dave claiming to have been blocked?

He wouldnt know.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Only roles that get information back know if they are roleblocked or if their action fails in some way, as wilky's supposed role is a slow cop it can fail due to targeting different people both nights, by for example the usage of a redirector, no one counter claiming being blocked means nothing because not all roles receive feedback if they are blocked, there's no evidence suggesting wilky was blocked, but there's evidence suggesting there's a potential for one of dave or punreader to have been blocked by OTM.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I don’t think it hurts town for you to address any theories you might have, IMHO.

Basically i dont think Alchemist is that dumb to not know how a roleblocker interacts with other roles, including but not limited to non actioning ones (like VTs)
Like what, wilky comes claiming that his action failed when we spent a majority of day 3 telling OTM that it was possible they were redirected instead of roleblocked BECAUSE of alchemist's item that they gave to impossibear?
What evidence is there to them telling the truth about their role?
Why is he taking everything wilky says like it's the sole truth? And giving him an inno on top of that?

But what if alchemist roleblocked wilky in some way shape or form, or know they were roleblocked by the pressence of an still living 5th mafia member.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That doesn't excuse your lack of mafia 101 tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Which would be? I know how an rb interacts with roles without actions, I just don't know if Dave has an action or not and can't remember if he's claimed one way or the other.

Yeah, he claimed no abilities other than being miller back in Day 1, but that's irrelevant, assuming someone without an action were to be roleblocked they wouldnt know they were, why were you asking for a counterclaim on being blocked?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Also what are people thoughts on conducting a mass claim?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

and the lynch must end on scum.

That's easier said than done.

What are your thoughts on dave possibly having been roleblocked last night by OTM?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean at this point, me dying isnt even an issue.
I'm more concerned with finding and lynching the final scum.

Also I see Dunnstral's picked up on what I was thinking.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: RMOJ
Sorry if you're town Jungle, but this has gone on for way too long.
I have a hard time believing your quests even do what you say they do at this point.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Jungle if you dont want my vote to be on you, then you need to give us all your reads with reasons and analysis because you've been quite missing and barely done anything for the last few game days, and even then, i'll decide whether i want to continue voting you or not after i read anything you have to say.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Of course someone may be impatient and hammer in the meantime, so I hope you dont keep us waiting.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

tinfoil: RMOJ' quest was legit, but gives scum powers when they're done instead of town, and that's why the information on them completely bombed after the second one.

in that case it makes even less sense to give quests to the people they are shooting.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i just have a hard time believing davesaz wasnt blocked last night tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

you guys need to stop being "Vote dave" "Vote dave" we need a Plan B, i do agree dave's pretty likely scum on it's own, that was the main reason he had to be blocked last night, dunno if OTM did, which is the problem, and if he did then there's an inno on dave, meanwhile you're just ignoring this, not even giving a second option.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

UNVOTE:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's kind of annoying when you're so uncooperative, yet i cannot deny the truth behind punreader's towncase on you.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Who do i trust here...
punreader's scum case on dave.
or do I trust that OTM listened to me and punreader and roleblocked dave...

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It is also potentially possible we're wrong on both wagonees.
We havent heard from wilky in like forever this day phase either.
I also want to hear more from punreader, it is potentially possible he'd just go towards alchemist.

I seriously want everyone's thoughts.
We might as well just mass claim if necessary and go from there.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Wilky - Miller Slow cop (MariaR, MariaR (Failed), ???, ??? (Failed))
Me - Innocent Child with the ability to copy actions (Ouroboros, Kokichi, MariaR, No Action)
Yt - ????
Ankamius - ????
punreader - Non Weak Hider (No action, Forgot, Forgot, Kokichi)
Dunnstral - ????
Kokichi - ????
davesaz - Miller
Alchemist - Some sort of item giver (????, Impossibear (Strongwilled), ????, ????)
RMOJ - Quest giver (Impossibear (Public day cop), Ouroboros (Permanent BP), Me/MariaR (Commuter for 3 nights in a row), Me (Deathproof for 3 cycles(?) in a row))

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Aside from that most of everyone is missing a flavor claim.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm so fucking close to just posting my role PM and being done with the lot of you.

The told you so is going to be so sweet this game. If I bother staying on the site. It's not doing my health any good.

V/LA until June 26.

Anyway i feel like this sequence of posts come from frustrated town, scum would just give up rather than threaten, and i'd think it'd be bad sportsmanship to use these kind of tactics as a survivalist scum anyway.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

RMOJ - Quest giver (Impossibear (Public day cop), Ouroboros (Permanent BP), Me/MariaR (Commuter for 3 nights in a row), Me (Deathproof for 3 cycles(?) in a row))

These quests cannot be real, they are all lies. Why am I the only one who can see this???

Oh really!
Tell me more...

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@Dave:

I am NOT implying in any way of form that any information on those claims is true or not, I'm putting down a list of what everyone has claimed.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

and the only non-n00b was mariaR

Actually pmatt was supposed to be non-n00b too, but he got caught coz of his predecessor's meta.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Nice to finally have some content outta you that isnt calling for dave's head, finally we can start making progress, btw what's your opinion on massclaim.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Btw if we massclaim here's how I want it.
I will first designate someone to claim first, this will be mostly based off my reads + what we already know.
The person will state Flavor Name, Role Name, Any abilities they may have (or if they have none), and how they were used each night and why.
Then they will popcorn to someone not named me.
In the case of dave I'd also like him to paraphrase any important information that MariaR may have slipped into the hood including targets that she may have wanted etc. Obviously confirming with GIF so he doesnt get mod killed or something.

Once everyone has claimed I will finish with my flavor name, actual role name, and the same thing.

If anyone has any better plans im all ears.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Can we look if OtM crumbed who they roleblocker last night?

It's either punreader or dave.
Punreader wanted him to roleblock dave.
OTM wanted to roleblock punreader.
I tried to convince OTM to roleblock dave.
Thread got locked before we got something definitive

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Btw Jungle way back in day 2 or day 3 i dont remember you said that the quests would be getting more broken and the requirements more ridiculous
Yesterday the quest for "Commuter 3 nights in a row" was something hidden.
But Deathproof for 3 cycles in a row is known.
Why's that?

P-Edit: I dont mind that Dunn, but seeing who wants who to claim next may provide more information than just me as being conf town deciding the entire order

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I've given you a list of everything that's been claimed, everything that's flipped is on the OP (Except for OTM, coz GIF is lazy af) i can include that too if you want.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Basically what's on my list as ???? is unclaimed so far, punreader's targets i know where claimed at some point i think, but i just forgot.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh yeah and alchemist's role failed N3 coz OTM blocked him iirc, forgot to put that in.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Thank you!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

tienes

*tengas/tenga

Happy birthday Kaede as well! Wishing you a grand day as well.

Thanks!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Happy birthday x2!

Thanks!

Happy birthday!

Thank you!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Only problem I have with that is that if wilky's scum that was some very good acting Day 3.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

There was 1 public day cop by RMOJ N1, but that's about it (assuming it's true, GOTTA SAY THIS SO DAVE DOESNT YELL AT ME)
As for the items then you'd have to ask Alchemist himself.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

How does your role copy work?

I consider weak hider an investigative of sorts too, and you're self-clearing. That's a lot of clearing power.

I explained it already.
I target someone, then any actions targeting me get copied and target my target.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

weak hider yes, but he's not weak, that's the point.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

We know alchemist gave impossibear on N2 an item called Party Starter which made them effectively strongwilled (Immune to roleblocks and redirection).
We know alchemist was roleblocked by OTM on N3.
Have no idea about anything else.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well now that we know what it does giving it to me would be useless.
It would cause whoever attacks me to die, so scum wouldnt attack me. Interestingly enough it would cause anyone who targets me to target themselves as well, If you're gonna give it to me then probably should be done later (or you can flip a coin of whether to give it tonight).

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Also im only deathproof if im on the lynch wagon and the lynchee is scum AND it doesnt end the game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Wait actually... OMG

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if my ability would become reflexive it means it'd be targeting everyone targeting me which means anyone targeting me would get their actions copied onto everyone targeting me, which would be quite the convoluted mess.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: RMOJ
tbh, this is the biggest question mark.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Dunn

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@punreader:

I'm so fucking close to just posting my role PM and being done with the lot of you.

The told you so is going to be so sweet this game. If I bother staying on the site. It's not doing my health any good.

V/LA until June 26.

Anyway i feel like this sequence of posts come from frustrated town, scum would just give up rather than threaten, and i'd think it'd be bad sportsmanship to use these kind of tactics as a survivalist scum anyway.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

there have been VTs flipped tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I guess I'll have to wait again.
Time to sleep, wake me up when punreader reaches dave's threat of quoting his role PM.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Sigh, whatever im tired of arguing, hope this does flip scum, but if it doesnt, dont come crying to me to magically solve the game.
VOTE: dave

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm playing my best town game ever.
It doesn't get any more town than this.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

This game's starting to get on my nerves.

*table flip*

[Kaede Akamatsu]

>I want to lynch Dave
>I get yelled at and told to not lynch Dave
>I want to lynch Jungle
>I get yelled at and told to not lynch Jungle
>I want to lynch Dave again
>Dave AtEs and threatens to quote role PM
>I want to lynch wilky
>BUT WILKY'S LIKE CLOSE TO CONF TOWN
>I want to lynch Dunn
>NO, DONT FUCK IT UP, LYNCH DAVE
>Decides to vote dave
>NO, SCREW YOU LET'S LYNCH DUNN INSTEAD
>me

*table flips*

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm already voting who I want.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's 6 to lynch.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Was I already voting him?

yes

[Kaede Akamatsu]

can we please lynch dave and get this day and hopefully this game over with.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

because that means two scum faked investigative roles

and the setup feels really awful without at least one somewhat competent investigative role

and why does wilky claim to be getting blocked all the time when his entire scumteam is sinking, or even claim cop in the first place

shit makes no sense

fuck, you have a pretty good case here... well, apart from claiming cop and the blocking which could easily be refuted, but regarding the setup and the fakes you’re spot-on.

Don’t know if it’s worth unvoting wilky, though, because something about his playstyle just feels off and makes me hesitant to want to townread him.

Eh, screw it. VOTE: RMOJ

Similar stuff could be said of RMOJ, he hasnt produced any results, but he has claimed a JOAT with at least 1 investigative ability (public day cop)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Btw.
Hot take: There's at least 1 scum in (Ankamius, Dunn, YT2980), even if there's or there's not scum somewhere else.

Something just ocurred to me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Btw.
Hot take: There's at least 1 scum in (Ankamius, Dunn, YT2980, Kokichi), even if there's or there's not scum somewhere else.

Something just ocurred to me.

Fixed

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Any scumteam with their salt would plan a bus on me too.

Doesn't mean it happens.

Sounds salty

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Sorry I havent been in a good mood lately.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Those names are just people that seem off to me in a scummy sense, call it gut if you will, I didnt even realize that all of them hadn't claimed, maybe that's what caused it to feel off.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ah yeah I remember now, at least 3 of those 4, are negatively influenced by association with flipped scum [Ankamius, Dunnstral, Kokichi], while the last one [YM] is negatively influenced by interaction with flipped town.
As another Point of Interest, Kokichi's been doing literally nothing this game other than calling for the head of X or Y, and has only actually tried to interact with people at rare times, meanwhile most of his posts is "Let's lynch X" "why havent we lynched X" "Come on let's lynch X already" (not the exact content of the posts but you get the picture).
Iirc Ankamius said somewhere near pmatt's lynch that if it flipped town he might start putting effort, but that if it flipped scum he would just vanish and continue to do nothing (how convenient)
Dunn is just pretty much hard defense of MariaR, is less damning, but cant deny it's existence.

YM's predecessor Ramcius was particularly scummy in a way, but do not forget Day 2, Ouroboros made a case for both Project matt and Ramcius and guess what Project Matt flipped.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

As another Point of Interest, Kokichi's been doing literally nothing this game other than calling for the head of X or Y, and has only actually tried to interact with people at rare times, meanwhile most of his posts is "Let's lynch X" "why havent we lynched X" "Come on let's lynch X already" (not the exact content of the posts but you get the picture).

Oh yeah I forgot to add that he also didnt want Project Matt lynched.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I remember thinking before that "This couldnt possibly be this obvious" but it's been bugging me in the back of my head for a while.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

joke's on me, that's L-1

the torture isn't over yet

It was a hammer, GIF missed wilky's vote: viewtopic.php?p=10257674#p10257674