NY 213 - Game Over!

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Phoneposting btw so quoting and stuff is hard.

@jarjar- when did you start scum reading Scion?

When I ISO's him while making my reads list.

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gonna be VLA'ing very shortly. Please make sure fleaf answers this:

I’m playing in a way where scum would be stupid to kill me.

What way is that?

It's just is a total contridiction with soft claiming a PR.

pedit: yeah like how tf does that make any sense w/ the above quote?

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VLA untill monday

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Jarjar thinks the scum team is 5 lurkers together

Not sure if that's actually scum or just super misguided and a distraction

Still VLA but no JJD doesn't think that.

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Is everyone voting me someone that I put on my reads list as scum?

That's gotta be a record for the most OMGUS wagon in mafia history.

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VLA is over. Will be doing catchup throughout the day and I plan to refute every terrible reason people have given for throwing a vote on me.

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scum had multiple potential NK targets such as ausuka (conf town), wavemode (neighbour + possible PR) and vax (claimed vig and implied shooting me or wavemode)

why would they avoid all of this in favor of killing a50?

when did wavemode become possible PR? Wavemode was a wagon on day 1. Seems weird to suggest he'd be a possible scum NK.

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Dat JJ/KK wagon on me. Much scum indeed.

So you believe that KK and I are both scum and decided to pile our votes on you when there was nobody else scumreading you because why ?

You are scum or a bad player.

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I’m playing like mislynch bait

What are u doing specifically that is mislynch bait?

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Also, JJ is letting KK Kubla Khan some more. They’re taking

I VLA'd. Your push is transparently fake.

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While we have different reads for a decent amount of people, we are overlapping a good deal. I’m ultra paranoid, and I understand why people are scum reading you, but I think I’m going to start defending you more. I think it was an all town neighborhood.

LAMIST

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I'm saying that you saying that you lynch more scum than town means people should listen to you more and I dislike that.

I'm not implying that has to do with me

I just mean that as a statement in general

Yes you are.

You acting like you lynch more scum than town so you should have more say in your reads is laughable and something

I don't see why town would need to say instead of explaining why I'm scum

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@KK - GET THAT VOTE BACK ON ME OR SO HELP ME! or so help me!

If you flip town, you need to be policy WOTM out of every game.

I mean, you know, been here for 4+ years, win the majority of my scum games, heard this multiple times, doesn’t stop me from solving games/fooling people as scum :shrug:

Hey android, does this bother you?

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@KK - GET THAT VOTE BACK ON ME OR SO HELP ME! or so help me!

If you flip town, you need to be policy WOTM out of every game.

I mean, you know, been here for 4+ years, win the majority of my scum games, heard this multiple times, doesn’t stop me from solving games/fooling people as scum :shrug:

I don't believe you. I can't believe you.

Look, this isn't real life. I can't look at your face for visual cues as to whether or not you're joking around or not. I have to read your words and either take them at face value or not. This is why the "Lynch all Liars" policy is the best policy. If everyone in the game is 100% truthful all the time, then town is more likely to win.

If you're town, you're more interested in winning a scum game in the future by setting a meta of being a liar now. That's shitty. It doesn't respect the time, energy, and frustration I'm putting into this game over the days and weeks. If you're scum, you've set the set bar low so that you can say or do whatever and town are fools for letting you get away with it.

You're so self-serving that you're Scrappy-Doo.

This is a town post. I retract my scum theater comment. Leaf vs KK is legit SvT.

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You’re just commenting without seeing how I actually do things, so anything you comment on my play will end up being moot.

I have my own style, it gets results. There are many games I end up being town leader in. To be fair, I’ve done some crazy shit as scum, and people know gat nothing is out of my scum range anymore so i have people constantly paranoid, but those same people will know that I can hard carry a game if I’m town. I prefer not to do that. I prefer if we as town can just work together. I’ll do what I can to ease it. I always do.

I’m even explaining everything clearly here. You assume my playstyle is a certain way just by assuming. I put a lot of analysis and thought into games, which is why i have to put some real sitdown time in.

And this is a scum post.

Furthermore it doesn't look AT ALL like someone talking to someone that they scumread. Leaf knows KK is town in this response.

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JarJarDrinks (5) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206), WhemeStar (2301), Lalendra (2334)

eh
why is this the lead wagon?

Cuz JJD is pulling an Unah, and made a completely political reads list on top of pushing a scum motivation, and then KK chainsaw defended, and then JJ chainsawed the chainsaw however tried to bus KK, but not enough to want to vote there. So the fake distance alongside the political reads and survivalistic nature, basically.

I guess this is the closest thing to a reason so lets address it.

My reads list is political and survivalistic because I put a bunch of the Lurkers as scumreads.

How dumb is that? Lurkers tend to not pay attention to the game and way more apt to OMGUS.

THIS IS EVIDENCED BY THE WAGON ON ME.

Like seriously dude. A political reads list woul have alot of nulls and would be sheeping town sentiment. The list I posted directly led to every shit lurker that I scumread sheeping your shit case on me.

Spoiler:

Dunnstral

- slight scumlean - He does seem to put his opinion out there which is good. But man he spent alot of time yesterday talking about how bad the people voting in the hood was. And I very much dislike 1969.

Flavor Leaf

- slight scumlean - dislike all the self meta. Keeps promising content. Where is it?

Lalendra

- scumlean. Not very much content in her posts. Quite a bit of posts that aren't really related to this game.

WhemeStar

- Scum - has literally not explained a single read in his crappy lurker ISO

Andriod18

- Scum - I think I've posted plenty why Android is scum. It's where my vote is going as of now so I'm sure I'll be expounding on this read through the day.[/quote]

JarJarDrinks(5)

~ Andriod18(8), Flavor Leaf(85), Dunnstral(16), WhemeStar(14), Lalendra(7)

How is that survivalistic ?

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Cuz JJD is pulling an Unah, and made a completely political reads list

on top of pushing a scum motivation

, and then KK chainsaw defended, and then JJ chainsawed the chainsaw however tried to bus KK, but not enough to want to vote there. So the fake distance alongside the political reads and survivalistic nature, basically.

quit with the vague bullshit. How am I "pushing a scum motivation" ??

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Since you decided to self meta mofo:

Also, JJ is letting KK Kubla Khan some more. They’re taking turns.

Classic scum buddy move

.

Here are examples of flavor leaf thinking things are "classic mafia" in other games:

Spoiler:

Mini Normal 1996 Post #2154
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

, lynched Day 4

I feel this is a classic “doesn’t matter if you know I’m scum if you can’t get me lynched” scenario.

Mini Normal 1980 Post #1138
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia Neighbor

, lynched Day 2

Like the bus a buddy, vote a townie, classic maneuver is the epitome of bussing and preventing a lynch.

Have you ever thought someone was classic scum when you were town bro?

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2394 just looks so legit frustrated town

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Is it town because he sounds like he believes what he's saying tonewise, or because you think town is more likely to rant about anti-town play?

The former. I think it's legit frustration.

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because FL is interacting with him I suppose.

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Good work, though JJD.

Enough for me to move my vote. I like the fire. Keep it up.

VOTE: Kubla Khan

How does "the fire" make u want to move ur vote. I thought I was scum cuz of my political readslist?

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@Wave - I don’t think it’s a bad case; i just think it’s incorrect. It was actually a rather good case, better if he was scum, however I think the mindset and agenda behind it is coming from annoyed town.

I was referring to JJD’s posts.

Cmon, Town like never thinks a case against them is good.

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Those are good points. I'm not sure what to make of the language and attitude in KK's posts - as you said, it is his town meta, but would be easy to fake - but the fact that KK ignored the Android wagon is very troubling to me.

As a matter of fact, I also would like to see more from Android.

VOTE: Andriod18

Why android specifically? Also haven't you also ignored the android wagon until this post?

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for real though, if you can direct me to anything specific I should read up on, that would be helpful

plus you can reuse the same shit for the other slot that's pending replacement

There's a hood with:
- Ausuka (IC as u noticed)
- Performer (was vengeful) - Lynched day 1 and took out osuka
- Wave (claimed VT day 1)

Vax claimed Vig Day 1 and then on day 2 said it was fake.


What you should prob do if ur not gonna do a full catchup is ISO people that are potential lynches for today. I personally recommend: Android and flavor leaf as they are my top scum reads. Other people that u might want to check are Kublai Khan and Mylo.

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Those are good points. I'm not sure what to make of the language and attitude in KK's posts - as you said, it is his town meta, but would be easy to fake - but the fact that KK ignored the Android wagon is very troubling to me.

As a matter of fact, I also would like to see more from Android.

VOTE: Andriod18

This would imply you scumread KK as my partner yes? Let's change that
VOTE: Kublai Khan

Are you saying one vote should be enough to make me go "Oh wow, they're definitely not scumbuddies because Android would NEVER bus, I guess he's locktown now!"

Yeah if anything I read this as the opposite. Like android wants you to think he's buddies w/ KK.

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You could say the exact same thing here, and literally just change that T to an S and does the same thing, if not more. This is projecty. However this does make me feel GROB and KK arent scum together.

just feels like he's trying to provoke a reaction rather than directly attack you

Since you decided to self meta mofo:

Also, JJ is letting KK Kubla Khan some more. They’re taking turns.

Classic scum buddy move

.

Here are examples of flavor leaf thinking things are "classic mafia" in other games:

Spoiler:

Mini Normal 1996 Post #2154
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia 1-Shot Ninja

, lynched Day 4

I feel this is a classic “doesn’t matter if you know I’m scum if you can’t get me lynched” scenario.

Mini Normal 1980 Post #1138
Flavor Leaf,

Mafia Neighbor

, lynched Day 2

Like the bus a buddy, vote a townie, classic maneuver is the epitome of bussing and preventing a lynch.

Have you ever thought someone was classic scum when you were town bro?

this is pretty damning

It’s actually damning to JJD on second glance. There’s plenty of town games that the same thing was said. Don’t know why any of those weren’t brought up.

Could you point me to them? I thought I did a thorough search but it's possible I missed something.

I saw you call people stuff like "classic

player X

" in some town games but never classic scum.

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Claiming mason. Legit claiming mason.

I want the partner claim or I'm considering this fake.

[JarJarDrinks]

Claiming mason. Legit claiming mason.

I want the partner claim or I'm considering this fake.

Alright. Consider it fake and deal with it at another time then.

Ausuka even stated it could be false. I tend to do that. But it’ll sort itself out eventually anyways.

Guys, please run the votes on this up until the partner claims or he admits it was a fake claim.

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IC + Masons = @ least 3 modconfirmed town roles.

that's a pretty shitty setup if true.

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When I’m not on my way to work, I’ll search for them. I do have three accounts to check from, so...haha.

yeah but obviously weren't talking about your other accounts because you said it was "damning to JJD".

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@JJD: am I missing something, or did he only use the phrase twice as scum? It seems like a small pool?

You're not missing anything. It's not a big part of my scumread and I'm not harping on it.

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him saying that me not bringing up that he also does it as town makes me scummy even though he's only potentially done it under an alt makes him look shitty tho.

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IC + Masons = @ least 3 modconfirmed town roles.

that's a pretty shitty setup if true.

It’s no different than an IC and a cop in the same game, really.

It’s actually a little weaker.

cop isn't a modconfirmed role.

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IC + Masons = @ least 3 modconfirmed town roles.

that's a pretty shitty setup if true.

It’s no different than an IC and a cop in the same game, really.

It’s actually a little weaker.

cop isn't a modconfirmed role.

Neither is mason. Just my mason buddies(y) and I know that it is.

fair, but it's close to it.

so who's ur partner dude?

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That’s not my role to claim. That’s just blatant rolefishing on your part.

Can u even call it fishing if I'm outright asking for the role?

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UNVOTE:

[JarJarDrinks]

I still think I'm TRing KK but well do a reread in light of new information.

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@Flavor Leaf, do you confirm GR is mason w you?

@Robster and Flaovrleaf, if either of you claim this was fake at a future point, then you get autolynched.

last chance to come clean.

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flavor, if your leaning town on me then don't you think you should vote from the people that wagoned me?

Surely one or more scum sheeped you.

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@Robster and Flaovrleaf, if either of you claim this was fake at a future point, then you get autolynched.

pushing masons then having the audacity to say this

okay

Fair enough just want to be 100% sure it's legit. I've seen too many egos ruin mafia games w/ dumb gambits.

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only reason I told him to crumb is because he was being wagoned

no he wasn't.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

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Those are good points. I'm not sure what to make of the language and attitude in KK's posts - as you said, it is his town meta, but would be easy to fake - but the fact that KK ignored the Android wagon is very troubling to me.

As a matter of fact, I also would like to see more from Android.

VOTE: Andriod18

This would imply you scumread KK as my partner yes? Let's change that
VOTE: Kublai Khan

Are you saying one vote should be enough to make me go "Oh wow, they're definitely not scumbuddies because Android would NEVER bus, I guess he's locktown now!"

Yeah if anything I read this as the opposite. Like android wants you to think he's buddies w/ KK.

Wait, how? He literally said "You think KK is my partner? Let's change that" and then votes. I don't see how that could be construed the way you're reading it.

I'm saying that this is the way I'm interpreting it.

In other words, I believe he purposefully wanted to make it look like a weak attempt at distancing.

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I'm seeing a couple flavor leaf votes
why?

because in order to lynch someone you need to put votes on them.

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fuck all y'all for not assisting me in getting up to speed btw

WTF was this post? chopped liver?

Spoiler:

for real though, if you can direct me to anything specific I should read up on, that would be helpful

plus you can reuse the same shit for the other slot that's pending replacement

There's a hood with:
- Ausuka (IC as u noticed)
- Performer (was vengeful) - Lynched day 1 and took out osuka
- Wave (claimed VT day 1)

Vax claimed Vig Day 1 and then on day 2 said it was fake.


What you should prob do if ur not gonna do a full catchup is ISO people that are potential lynches for today. I personally recommend: Android and flavor leaf as they are my top scum reads. Other people that u might want to check are Kublai Khan and Mylo.

[JarJarDrinks]

android: obvtown (how was he almost lynched?)

Spoiler:

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I'm in the group that says that Flavor Leaf's mason buddy needs to claim.

I think everyone should take a stand on this one way or the other.

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android: obvtown (how was he almost lynched?)

Spoiler:

ftr, i'm not defending his play or saying's it's good or protown.

it's just very obviously coming from a town player

I understood what you were saying. The gif stands.

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You were in that game...

and it like JUST ended. wtf hopkirk?

[JarJarDrinks]

Spent the last 3 hours sorting through isos and re-skimming Day 2. Here's where I'm currently standing.

Town pile
Ausuka
Hopkirk
Andriod19
Dunnstral
Golden Robster
texcat
PenguinPower
JarJarDrinks

Weaktown
Gamma Emerald
EspeciallyTheLies
Lalendra
Frozen Angel
Pine

Eh... pile
Scioness Sajj
ArcAngel9
Creature (Apparently has a famous meta where he's active as town and lurks as scum. He lurks. But replaces out, which someone (WhemeStar?) sold as being town, but is it?)
WhemeStar

Scum pile
Flavor Leaf
Vaxkiller
Myloninja13
Wavemode


I'm in the group that says that Flavor Leaf's mason buddy needs to claim. On the re-read it just feels like his town & scum read on me & JarJarDrinks keeps flipping depending on whoever is attacking him. There is something manipulative in his play and he's trying to hide it with smoke and mirrors. Like his explanation of his reaction to Golden Robster is all WIFOM. He's basically arguing that there's no excuse for scum to play/react badly. Well of course not. But we catch scum when they do play/react badly. Except when we get placated by WIFOM reasoning.

If his partner is in my town or weaktown list, then I'm happy with three solid town reads to help with POE.

so town

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There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today

Sure there is. If he's scum, we force one of his buddies to commit to a mason claim today. They may be more hesitant to do it today because if one of them gets lynched/vigged/tracked/etc... then it leads right to the other player.

As we get closer to lylo, a scum buddy would be more likely to fakeclaim knowing that they only need 1 or 2 mislynches to win the game.

Forcing people to commit early means they are more likely to get caught. The more time that goes by, the easier it is for them to tell a lie to fit their narrative.

if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away

Terrible logic. I'm tired of explaining basic mafia principles to people.

The town is on a clock in mafia. They only have X amount of mislynches before they lose. Scum just needs to stall long enough to run out that clock. Everytime town mislynches they move closer to that clock running out.

So who cares is we "eventually" will figure it out? Scum doesnt need all their members to survive to endgame in order to win.


THERE IS ZERO BENEFIT TO NOT FORCING THE MASON CLAIM TODAY.

[JarJarDrinks]

Also dunn, u feel like giving reads or anything? Your contribution today has been severely lacking.

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE:
I would like to hear from the mason partner this dayphase.

Uhh then why unvote?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'd really like to hear an explanation to this.

Got any reads? How about an opinion on the mason thing?

[JarJarDrinks]

We’re lynching ON MY WAGON, if a fucking 2nd mason claims.

If a claim happens, I'll reevaluate but I doubt I'm gonna vote for KK regarless

Like seriously, terrible play y’all doing this game.

If ur a real mason then your play was way worse as u shouldnt have claimed so early w/ verty little reason. Also your scumreads on me and KK suck.

Absolulely zero chance of lynching off my wagon.

chance is certainly > 0% but like I said, I'll reevaluate

Like, obviously a second mason is claiming if I get pushed today.

well good, I hope u continue to get pushed.

It is blatant role fishing, and if you’re town who “needs a second mason to claim” that’s just bad. It’s a fucking mason claim. It’ll come out.

I pointed out why the logic of "eventually it will come out" is flawed.

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It’s already INCREDIBLY obvious who my partner is, look at the crumbs, look at the reactions, and move on.

If it's incredibly obvious then it makes absolutely ZERO sense to not out it now.

[JarJarDrinks]

It’s already INCREDIBLY obvious who my partner is, look at the crumbs, look at the reactions, and move on.

If it's incredibly obvious then it makes absolutely ZERO sense to not out it now.

In fact it makes more sense now since presumably scum can figure out the crumbs and then they'd know but town wouldn't.

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It’s already INCREDIBLY obvious who my partner is, look at the crumbs, look at the reactions, and move on.

If it's incredibly obvious then it makes absolutely ZERO sense to not out it now.

It’s not my role to claim. They’re probably making a post right now.

Probably? You haven't discussed whether or not he/she should claim in ur private thread?


pedit: ok I guess

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If second mason claims, I will hard defend Mylo, because Mylo is obv town.

My partners gonna claim, KK

I would take the lynch before I outed my mason partner. They’re just going to claim to get things moving.

It’s happening. Like, it’s happening. They’ll claim. Like I said, they’re probably typing up a long post right now with some analysis.

We have. They brought up like as I claimed mason that if I needed to, I could claim them. They also stated that they should probably claim because nothings really happening and this town is slow at doing things, so we’ll need the remaining time.

I feel like FL is just begging for a townie to gambit fake claim here. I'd be pretty surprised if we get a legit claim at this point.

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If I was fake claiming and hoping for it, I’d have already fake claimed Gamma Emerald as my mason partner. He’s not, but

I almost did this anyways

, hoping Gamma would see I’m town and go along with it. (He’s actually been town before and claimed masons with me, but I was scum) so I’d love to eventually be fake masons as town with my buddy, Gamma.

I thought you were at work and just didn't have time to respond to the fake claim?

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UNVOTE:

[JarJarDrinks]

@Hopkirk - Just to verify. You are claiming mason with Flavor Leaf?

Do you realize that Flavor Leaf has no "u" in his name?

Hard claiming the mason I've been subtly crumbing since early D1. Yep.
I mixed between U and no U because I'm British. That wasn't part of the crumb.

Ok thank you. That's actually a relief because now I can ignore all the paranoia surrounding Flavor Leaf and actually listen to him.

same, I'm glad it's hopkirk so I don't have to worry about a 2 scum fakeclaim gambit.

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I think these townreads are shared by me/FL/Ausuka.
Dunn, FA, Creature, Vax, ETL
JJD, Wave

I'd like to hear who these people are scumreading since I don't think we're in an amazing place for this close to deadline.

gonna reevaluate and ISO people again. Specifically the people on the FL wagon.

[JarJarDrinks]

Gonna see who was both on my and FLs wagon. seems like a good place to start.

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Shamelessly sheeping powertown, choo choo

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Wait, I'm so confused. So Rob isn't really a mason, he claimed mason with FL just to call FL's bluff, and then FL didn't react? hmm. This changes things.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Powertown in the first post refers to flavorleaf. I don't really get how Rob fakeclaiming would change her read on FL from powertown to scum.

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UNVOTE:
I would like to hear from the mason partner this dayphase.

And I still don't get the unvote here?

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE:
I would like to hear from the mason partner this dayphase.

Uhh then why unvote?

Because I don't think he's scum? Nor do I believe that being at L-7 is going to pressure the mason partner into claiming.

If you don't think he's scum then why do you want the mason to claim?

Also what changed your mind?

[JarJarDrinks]

Shamelessly sheeping powertown, choo choo

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Wait, I'm so confused. So Rob isn't really a mason, he claimed mason with FL just to call FL's bluff, and then FL didn't react? hmm. This changes things.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Powertown in the first post refers to flavorleaf. I don't really get how Rob fakeclaiming would change her read on FL from powertown to scum.

FL sounded powertown. Then I didn't like how he didn't react to Rob's fake claim, because it seemed to me that if he was really a mason, he would have had a reaction. Then I decided he probably was really a mason because he explained that he was just making that post as he was heading into work and didn't have the chance to react, so I unvoted.

FFS, I really don't understand why people have such a hard time following my reasoning in EVERY GODDAMN GAME

Wow this last sentence looks like the fakest outrage in the history of outrages.

You just post an unvote without saying a damn thing about why and complain that people aren't following your reasoning?

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Is it not better to have confirmed masons so that we can narrow the lynch pool by knowing who is definitely town? I understand that also means that scum will know who the masons are, but scum already know who is town so what's the difference?

So do you believe it's correct play for all masons and ICs to claim immediately on day 1?

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Wow this last sentence looks like the fakest outrage in the history of outrages.

You just post an unvote without saying a damn thing about why and complain that people aren't following your reasoning?

I really couldn't care less if you think it's fake, and yeah, when

I've already explained myself multiple times

it's getting a little old.

links?

[JarJarDrinks]

Is it not better to have confirmed masons so that we can narrow the lynch pool by knowing who is definitely town? I understand that also means that scum will know who the masons are, but scum already know who is town so what's the difference?

So do you believe it's correct play for all masons and ICs to claim immediately on day 1?

I think if we already have one mason claimed, there's little point in waiting for the other to claim, and since you are of the same mind, I'm not sure why you're arguing with me on this.

Because I was scumreading flavorleaf. You weren't.

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UNVOTE: Actually maybe Rob has a point

yes I do have a point because talk to me scum motivation for fakeclaiming mason partner then retracting before he engages?

So you can make this post?

Honestly I was thinking the same thing but I dislike you pointing it out.

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UNVOTE: i would be willing to lynch in Lalendra/Scion/Rob

what have i done?

Posted reads... oh wait no you haven't done that at all.

[JarJarDrinks]

Like seriously who do you scumread or townread? YOU HAVE NO READSSSS?!?!?!?!?!??

[JarJarDrinks]

Robsters explanation makes sense

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VOTE: andriod18

can anyone give me a reason why we shouldn't lynch this?

[JarJarDrinks]

Give me the cliffnotes on the Andriod18 case.

Well first thing is he was the day one counterwagon to Performer.

And just look at his ISO. there's 29 posts and they are all pretty bad. He lurked and lurked, then starting posting a tiny bit when he had a wagon on him and then stopped posting when the wagon disappeared.

People ask him questions and then he disappears and then never answers them.

It's scummy, it's lurking, it should be the next lynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm saying that you saying that you lynch more scum than town means people should listen to you more and I dislike that.

I'm not implying that has to do with me

I just mean that as a statement in general

Yes you are.

You acting like you lynch more scum than town so you should have more say in your reads is laughable and something

I don't see why town would need to say instead of explaining why I'm scum

Here is a blatant lie that android refused to respond to.

[JarJarDrinks]

He was counter-wagon until he claimed VT though. Wouldn't it be the scum move to claim a PR to avoid the lynch (Vaxkiller-style)?

I would say that is generally the correct play for scum but android doesn't strike me as a good player.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'll look more into PP in a bit. I don't think I hate lynching him.

But like android needs to like show up and post or do something no? We cant let that slot stay as is and get anywhere close to lylo.

[JarJarDrinks]

why is this only thing you find worth commenting from what i have written, though

I know u got mad that I answered for another player earlier but I'm gonna take a stab at this one too.

It's because you haven't posted anything of worth.

[JarJarDrinks]

why is this only thing you find worth commenting from what i have written, though

I know u got mad that I answered for another player earlier but I'm gonna take a stab at this one too.

It's because you haven't posted anything of worth.

dude why you so rude

reading this instantly made me tired

ok 2960 was a worthwhile post.
/pat on back

[JarJarDrinks]

Still, if we get close to deadline, I will offer myself up as a sacrifice cause I am only Vanilla Townie and it helps lower the pool of inactives; making it easier to find scum.

I forgot about this post. Scum gambit feels unlikely.

[JarJarDrinks]

Still, if we get close to deadline, I will offer myself up as a sacrifice cause I am only Vanilla Townie and it helps lower the pool of inactives; making it easier to find scum.

I forgot about this post. Scum gambit feels unlikely.

Would like some opinions on this. Really makes me dislike a PP lynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: PenguinPower
For anyone thinking claiming VT makes the person less likely scum I personally think that's a crock of shit. If A50 were still here he'd back me up on VT claiming not being clearing.

It's not the vanilla claim, it's the self-sacrifice offer.

[JarJarDrinks]

I will offer myself up as a sacrifice cause I am only Vanilla Townie and it helps lower the pool of inactives; making it easier to find scum.

all of this feels super forced; what kind of town says this?

Bad town.

What kind of scum says it? Super Savvy scum IMO.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Wheme
Not a fan of the Penguin wagon atm.
Was busier than expected tonight. Should be able to post tomorrow.

I can do wheme. Much better than PP. But first tell me why not android.

[JarJarDrinks]

Has anyone ever seen scum volunteer to be lynched?

[JarJarDrinks]

oh jesus he actually self voted that game lol

what game ?

[JarJarDrinks]

I am cool with being the Lynch, I am nothing special on this side.

I found this from a towngame.

[JarJarDrinks]

I am cool with being the Lynch, I am nothing special on this side.

I found this from a towngame.

Dude...

You were *in* that towngame. You let me get all tunneled in and then you deflate it with meta you were quasi-aware of.

VOTE: WhemeStar

I assure you that any "awareness" of that post had left my memory.

[JarJarDrinks]

Good point

VOTE: WhemeStar

[JarJarDrinks]

easy, bad town. what kind of scum says it?

I offer my body up because I am town and VT

do I get a pass because I said something like this?

You didn't answer his question, nor did you answer it when I asked it.

So like I said there, I think only an advanced scum player would say something like that. Do you disagree w/ that of do u think rampage is capable of savvy play like that ?

[JarJarDrinks]

oh btw there are no plans for day extension

how u know this?

[JarJarDrinks]

I feel the fact that Wheme isn’t getting stacked points towards him being scum.

I don’t get this post

You don't get that scum is generally gonna be harder to lynch than town because they have X amount of people actively working against their lynch?

Is this your first game?

[JarJarDrinks]

Literally I’m town reading the entirety of the Wheme wagon minus Tehbrawl, but they’re neutral.

IDK about SS but I agree otherwise.

[JarJarDrinks]

You didn't answer his question, nor did you answer it when I asked it.

So like I said there, I think only an advanced scum player would say something like that. Do you disagree w/ that of do u think rampage is capable of savvy play like that ?

not really; if anything I see it as NAI

Yeah?

Cuz asking

what kind of town says this?

doesn't really imply that you think it's NAI.

[JarJarDrinks]

whemestar at L-2

hardclaim now

[JarJarDrinks]

Fair points. I may be giving too much cred for the self sacrifice offer.

[JarJarDrinks]

wheme has posted on site within the last half hour.

[JarJarDrinks]

I didn't think TBG unvoting was scummy. I agree it's good to stay out of hammer length.

But I think the response to FL is kind of scummy. I read it as him very much wanting towncred for the lynch.

[JarJarDrinks]

tell me how this case is scum-indicative?

I think the biggest indicator is what FL has stated: that the makeup of the wagon is good. Alot of people that seem scummy don't want wheme lynched. That be a red flag yo.

[JarJarDrinks]

whemestar at L-2

hardclaim now

[JarJarDrinks]

FL is right. he saw intent and didnt claim. he can go now.

[JarJarDrinks]

Omg he still hasn't claimed. Just hammer.

[JarJarDrinks]

Aight. Hammer it.

[JarJarDrinks]

reaction to the hammer is surely scum. No reads list. No "Lynch X tomorrow". Just acceptance.

My gues for remaining scum: Android, Dunn, and then maybe SS or Lalend

[JarJarDrinks]

No no no this is not happening.

[JarJarDrinks]

Hopkirk please tell me this was a reaction test.

[JarJarDrinks]

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer

Yes he is. He's being completely survivalistic. Every post is designed to get votes off him. It's clear he doesn't care what happens if he gets roped.

[JarJarDrinks]

reaction to the hammer is surely scum. No reads list. No "Lynch X tomorrow". Just acceptance.

I don’t do that

I think u meant to say: I don’t do that

unless I'm town

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Dong, if you think I'm scum and you guys end up lynching me. Who are you looking at after I flip green?

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Hey Dreal how will your reads change if i flip town?

Lynch Dreal tomorrow

[JarJarDrinks]

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer

Yes he is. He's being completely survivalistic. Every post is designed to get votes off him. It's clear he doesn't care what happens if he gets roped.

Not AI so please come up with something else

survivalistic is NAI? It's like the THE defining scum trait.

[JarJarDrinks]

and a game I self hammered as doctor because I was frustrated that people didn’t believe my claim because I didn’t claim flavor?

Get your bs out of here

So when your frustrated as town you care about what happens after you get lynched? When your not frustrated all you care about is surviving?

[JarJarDrinks]

right now we have three viable options without an extension deadline

1. hardlynch whemestar even though doc claim (the most probable)
2. switch to PP (since wagon is still going) and hardlynch wheme tomorrow if he doesn't die since hardclaimed doc (second option) (can happen)
3. switch to TBG even though not enough votes (don't think will happen; only less than 13 hours left) (least probable)

Just FYI you will not have my vote to do anything except 1.

[JarJarDrinks]

And if 2 is considered at all I'll probably become toxic.

[JarJarDrinks]

I dont need him confirmed as scum. His reaction to his wagon did that.

PP is now fosho town because he is a counterwagon to scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE: Wheme

You're trying to get town to not lynch scum rob.

repeat after me:

"When wheme flips red, I don't get to use the too scummy to be scum excuse"

[JarJarDrinks]

hopkirk and FL, gtf in here before the day gets ruined.

[JarJarDrinks]

anyone that hammers gets immunity from tomorrows lynch

[JarJarDrinks]

Will switched if needed.

It's needed. Please go back to wheme.

[JarJarDrinks]

Nothing?

I'm not engaging you as it likely wont help people lynch you which is all I care about right now.

If u wanna drop a reads list, I promise to give it due attention in the event you flip green.

[JarJarDrinks]

if u wanted to engage people and have them sort you properly, u wouldnt have waited until the last possible moment to claim.

There's 8 hours until deadline so yes, all I care about is getting those last 2 votes on you.

[JarJarDrinks]

[JarJarDrinks]

creature just hammer it's scum. I pre-absolve you of any blame if it flips green.

[JarJarDrinks]

Thanks for not even telling me what was the claim

He claimed town doc tergeting hopkirk N1.

[JarJarDrinks]

for on thing, he was around purposefully avoiding the claim until as late as possible. Like he was at L-1 and were waiiting all day and he he shows up and is like "naw nobody posted intent" then intent was posted and he was all "ok but u gotta wait a few hours".

[JarJarDrinks]

PPs predecessor was Rampage who claimed VT day 1.

[JarJarDrinks]

gimme a sec and I'll link u the post that makes TR the slot .

pedit: what r u asking?>

[JarJarDrinks]

834 is town methinks.

[JarJarDrinks]

omg wheme is scum.

[JarJarDrinks]

I feel like we're probably mislynching today anyway, but not sure if I should just have scum kill me and then steamroll town for the rest of the game when town will have no clear leadership

town does have clear leadership, we have masons and IC

yet we're still lynching a doctor claim

ya ha. All wheme has been is survivalistic. He didnt give the town a reads list, didnt say "lynch X after I flip". He claimed doc cuz he thought it was the best chance of not getting roped.

[JarJarDrinks]

I likely count as 4th conftown and probably the best nightkill considering the other three conftowns are all useless so let me do stuff today if we're gonna mislynch the doc claim

it's not a mislynch and ur not conftown at all. But by all means do stuff. As long as it doesnt involve derailing the wagon.

[JarJarDrinks]

i prob will be but it wont matter. U can consider my vote etched in concrete.

[JarJarDrinks]

We lynched Performer for nothing

true dat

[JarJarDrinks]

consider my vote etched in concrete.

[JarJarDrinks]

just fucking hammer.

u know u love hammerin.

[JarJarDrinks]

also I'm going out for the day but will be phone following.

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm probably going to end lynching Wheme anyway because PP is also a terrible mislynch

just do it now man

[JarJarDrinks]

tbh Wheme and PP should like be cleared based on scum having dominance

u havent been here. Wheme has been the wagon w/ the most resistance. It's been TOUGH getting these 11 votes on there.

[JarJarDrinks]

If Wheme did any bussing, it would have to be in Vax or JJD.

Maybe. But there's no real reason to think he was doing any bussing.

[JarJarDrinks]

Whoa. You might be able to make a case that Wheme bussed JJD, but JJD was pushing Wheme's lynch hard. You think that was bussing too??

He didn't vote Wheme until the point where our only strong wagons were Wheme and PP. In his large readslist he had previously marked Wheme as Scum (and done nothing with it), and PP as a townlean, so he had essentially forced himself into that vote anyway. He didn't actually start pushing hard on Wheme until after Wheme's been run to L-1 and is the obvious lynch anyway. That's pretty textbook bussing.

Also, small bias here, but:

I didn't think TBG unvoting was scummy. I agree it's good to stay out of hammer length.

But I think the response to FL is kind of scummy. I read it as him very much wanting towncred for the lynch.

If JJD is Scum, he knows very well that Wheme is about to flip red and that I'd potentially get towncred for Wheme's flip.

Why does JJD have to be scum in your scenario? JJD is good at mafia and that;s why he knew wheme was about to flip red.

[JarJarDrinks]

Hi guys

Who's scum

texcat

not sure about that. who else you got?

[JarJarDrinks]

my gut says TBG's push on me comes from town.

[JarJarDrinks]

Town!JJD is pretty sure Wheme is Scum, and possibly thinks I might be Scum.
Scum!JJD knows Wheme is Scum, and knows I'm Town to set up on for the future.

Well i think i town read you TBG so if I was trying to set u up for the future I didnt do a very good job.

You cant just put everything down to WIFOM dude. Look at how integral I was in getting wheme lynched. Sure u can say that I had no choice because of the wagons that came up but did I have to push super hard to ensure the lynch would go through? I could have easily taken creature up on his many many offers to lynch someone else.



Speaking of which, the reason I wanted creatures other scumreads was to get an idea of where he'd be pushing so we have better reads on those people after we lynch him today cuz he is one of the more obvious scummers I've ever seen. I'd state half my mafia reputation on him being scum right now.

I will put a full case together tomorrow at work but for now, ISO him and start at 3319 to see what scum doing everything in their power to keep a scumbuddy out of the noose looks like.

[JarJarDrinks]

Remember who is stalling back and forth.

yeah this needs to be the precedent for d3.

please do this re: creature

I will put a full case together tomorrow at work but for now, ISO him and start at 3319 to see what scum doing everything in their power to keep a scumbuddy out of the noose looks like.

[JarJarDrinks]

was creature stalling for more reads or stalling because he's scum though?

He was stalling because he's scum. If he was reaction testing, he would have let us know today and tell us what he learned from it instead of:

Probably my same scumreads from yesterday minus Android and TBG

[JarJarDrinks]

concerning jarjar... is he capable of bussing to this extreme? he was hell bent on lynching wheme the whole time and while i would imagine scum bussed i would like to direct ppl towards lalendra's naked vote on wheme.

Clearly I can just say anything if I was scum but I will tell you that I think 90% of the time bussing is poor strategy and done by bad scum that thinks they are good.

I bus for 2 reasons:

- Scum is being useless. Since I am a very anti-lurker player I generally have no choice but to bus a lurking scumbuddy to stay true to my meta.

- Scum has been been caught. And this isn't really even considered bussing. It's just something that is unfortunate and has to be done.


In either case, u will never see me hardcore make sure a lynch goes through unless it was a foregone conclusion which the wheme lynch was not.

[JarJarDrinks]

What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

and as far as wagon stallers go this would be my first vote.

Good read tho this would probably be my 2nd choice.

[JarJarDrinks]

vax, dunn, tbg, creature. major red flages there they resisted the wheme lynch HARD. very suspicious of all of these players.

lalendra, jarjar, robster, gamma are players im very suspicious of based on individual play.

if you're not named your either town or null.

What about my individual play don't u like? I feel like this has been one of my more pro-town games.

[JarJarDrinks]

how is that extreme bussing? wheme's at L-2 there and there's absolutely no counterwagon

unless JJD is incredibly bad he sees the writing on the wall there.

were you not around? It was like pulling teeth getting those 12 votes on wheme. The writing was most definately NOT on the wall.

I haven't played with him before to gauge skill level, but he's clearly better than awful.

I'm a fuggin mafia prodigy yo. Trust me, only an awful scum player would push a scumbuddy as hard as I pushed wheme.

You cant just say "hurr durr wifom" for everything that happens in a game of mafia. U might was well start using a RNG to pick scum at that point.

Pro-town play generally comes from town and anti-town play generally comes from scum. Don't convolute everything.

[JarJarDrinks]

as far as creature goes, I think he's a lot less useful than he should be and that's obnoxious, but

I'm not sure it's alignment indicative

, so I can't say I'm on board with his lynch

dude you don't think that going balls to the wall to stop a scum lynch is alignment indicative? What game are you even playing?

[JarJarDrinks]

if you were asking me...

lalendra, creature, robster, JarJar.

thats most likely bus to least likely bus.

lol creature didn't bus. he fought the lynch tooth n nail and was basically forced to throw down the hammer.

[JarJarDrinks]

can dunn and vax be the only scum that were off the wagon?

(other than wheme himself, of course.)

Vax aint scum

[JarJarDrinks]

the point that I'm making is that once Wheme is at L-2, and especially during/after his claim shenangiganry, he is the lynch regardless of anything JJD does.

You keep saying this and it's a misrepresentation. I could have easily taken creature up on one his offers to CFD.

[JarJarDrinks]

The ones trying to topple the WhemeStar wagon at the point where it became a legit wagon and by-passed PenguinPower were: Gamma Emerald, TehBrawlGuy, Vaxkiller, and especially Creature.

don't forget dunn:

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

[JarJarDrinks]

If I really intended to preserve WhemeStar there I would've done PP instead saying it's better to mislynch a VT than doc.

Why DIDN'T you say this then? Since you kept saying that we shouldn't lynch a doc claim, wouldn't this have been the obvious suggestion?

[JarJarDrinks]

If I really intended to preserve WhemeStar there I would've done PP instead saying it's better to mislynch a VT than doc.

Why DIDN'T you say this then? Since you kept saying that we shouldn't lynch a doc claim, wouldn't this have been the obvious suggestion?

I'll answer for you creature:

The reason is because you didn't want to outright suggest it but you certainly tried to hint at it:

also not surprised you'd try to lynch a doc

also did PP claim something I missed?

[JarJarDrinks]

I considered PP an equally bad lynch.

So...

- You townread 2 people
- one is claiming doc and one is claiming VT
- You think they both equally a bad lynch

Are any of the above points incorrect?

[JarJarDrinks]

I considered PP an equally bad lynch.

So...

- You townread 2 people
- one is claiming doc and one is claiming VT
- You think they both equally a bad lynch

Are any of the above points incorrect?

[JarJarDrinks]

Why do you scum read him beyond his defense of Wheme yesterday? Or is that it?

"What evidence do you have the defendant committed the murder beyond him holding the murder weapon over the body?"

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah, that's not even close to the same thing.

True, there may be reasonable explanation to someone holding the weapon.

[JarJarDrinks]

Creature

is Scum

Lets look at all the scummy Creature Posts from the EOD wagon (this could take a while):

damn we're so screwed

I thought town could pull a scum lynch without me

also not surprised you'd try to lynch a doc

These are ATE attempts to make the town which was all excited about lynching scum doubt the wagon:

Is it too late for CFDs?

Desperate attempt to derail the wagon:

why is the claim sketchy? Then I hammer

Why would he hammer after he made the above posts? He just said he beleived the doc claim.

Oh and he certainly didnt hammer after the sketchy claim was explained to him. He very much tried and tried to do ANYTHING besides hammer wheme.

speaking of explaining why the claim was sketchy, heres his post after I did so here:

Spoiler:

for on thing, he was around purposefully avoiding the claim until as late as possible. Like he was at L-1 and were waiiting all day and he he shows up and is like "naw nobody posted intent" then intent was posted and he was all "ok but u gotta wait a few hours".

thought you had one more argument other than "took long to claim"

Trying to minimize what I wrote as "took too long"

I feel like we're probably mislynching today anyway, but not sure if I should just have scum kill me and then steamroll town for the rest of the game when town will have no clear leadership

Bwaaahaaahahhhahaa. WTF is this supposed to even mean? Is he saying that he's considering forcing a no-lynch which would make scum NK him? Whatever he's saying it makes absolutely no sense.

there's rn GR, you and me

maybe if we get plenty of more players around I can entertain a CFD

lol @ maybe I can entertain a CFD. As if he wasnt the person who suggested it.

If we hit scum most likely the wagon won't go through but then we just see who had the chance to hop him yet didn't then we can catch half of the scumteam

him talking about the CFD that I guess he decided to "entertain".

I feel like we're probably mislynching today anyway, but not sure if I should just have scum kill me and then steamroll town for the rest of the game when town will have no clear leadership

town does have clear leadership, we have masons and IC

yet we're still lynching a doctor claim

He just told us above he was about to hammer

Yeh, TehBrawlGuy looks bad

so does texcat

Same as his reads today. no reevaluation after the flip.

All wheme has been is survivalistic. He didnt give the town a reads list, didnt say "lynch X after I flip". He claimed doc cuz he thought it was the best chance of not getting roped.

Sadly this kind is common on MS

Defending whemes play.

I likely count as 4th conftown and probably the best nightkill considering the other three conftowns are all useless so let me do stuff today if we're gonna mislynch the doc claim

lol conftown OMG.

Did Vax do something?

Translation. I'm not supposed to be have been paying attention the last week so I'd like someone else to bring up the fake vig claim so I can try to wagon vax

We lynched Performer for nothing

some ATE to make the town doubt the wagon.

I may be even-night vigilante and I intend to vig Pine tonight

For mafia doctors

Hey guys why didnt anybody reply to my vax question?

JJD, GR, Wheme, Gamma and me

Maybe we can pull a CFD?

Leaving a list of good CFDs:
TehBrawlGuy
texcat
Scioness Sajj
Pine

Mmm Hmmm

Oh I forgot about Vax

Nvm, he's really the deepwolf

Lets keep bringing up Vax and hope someone mentions the vig thing.

because definitely Pine won't let me live for tomorrow

WTF is this shit?

I'm probably going to end lynching Wheme anyway because PP is also a terrible mislynch

Why is Wheme (claimed doc) better than PP (claimed VT)? He tried explaining this w/ something about Wheme getting pushed the next day. Horrible

Scum, don't kill me if you don't want to lose the game.

just dumb and pointless. There's no way creature worries about a NK w/ several outed PRs.

would be disappointing to have posted the entire scumteam on the thread, find out we mislynched the doc and afterwards town completely ignore me

more ATE nonsense

tbh Wheme and PP should like be cleared based on scum having dominance

more trying to convince town the lynch is bad.

still I may want to keep KK alive for a while to ensure my survival

If anyone is buying any of this contrived nonsense quit mafia ur terrible.

VOTE: WhemeStar

Hopefully scum spares me expecting me to get prodded again

So he ended up hammerring a doc claim that he beleived was completely legit.


This may be the most slam dunk case I've ever seen.


VOTE: creature

[JarJarDrinks]

Scumreads in order:

Creature > Dunnstral > Scioness Sajj > Ankamius > Lalendra

[JarJarDrinks]

Yeah, dude re-read that stuff from yesterday creature posted. Who does that as scum, he looks like town with a plan.

Not supporting this creature brigade.

WHat was the plan?

[JarJarDrinks]

I really liked his end of day yesterday

Spoiler:

[JarJarDrinks]

Enjoy your Wheme credibility

but we town are going to look elsewhere while you'll waste your time today

Naw, the confirmeds are gonna show up and back up my push.

[JarJarDrinks]

But I have no problem engaging w/ u creature. Do any of the people that were willing to take u up on ur CFD offer raise ur suspicions?

[JarJarDrinks]

creature is town. he does not make 257 posts as scum.

But what if he wants people to not scumread him

I know right? It totally happens.

[JarJarDrinks]

hey Creature what about Dunn?

[JarJarDrinks]

@JJD: where's your TBG townread coming from?

I don't think scum would have the balls to come after me after I just sank his teammate. Scum looks at my play from yesterday and realizes just how protown it is and doesn't even consider me as someone who is mislynchable.

[JarJarDrinks]

activity isn't alignment indicative and meta is shit reasoning

I don't really agree w/ this but neither of those things is something u can base an entire read on.

You obviously have to look @ what's happening in the actual game and how pro or anti town the person has been.

[JarJarDrinks]

But if someone does want to give me some meta, I'd love to see a game where creature was town and opposed a wagon as strongly as he did here.

[JarJarDrinks]

But if someone does want to give me some meta, I'd love to see a game where creature was town and opposed a wagon as strongly as he did here.

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=72542

maybe that serves?

That's a monster ISO. Any chance u can direct me to the day or specific lynch?

[JarJarDrinks]

Nobody want to join me on Lalendra?

She's on my list. Gonna stay riding the creature wagon for a while.

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE:

Just ISOd Wheme and man he gave creature the strongest of townreads. Don't like that for scum/scum.

Need to reevaluate.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: lalendra

might as well do that in the meantime.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Dunn

Prefer this to lala methinks.

[JarJarDrinks]

Ik lalendra is gonna be a difficult lynch makes me think she's scum more.

how though?

like what makes lalendra a difficult lynch?

yeah that's a weird observation

[JarJarDrinks]

If Dunn is scum then he's consistently turning down every easy push that's handed to him in favour. Gives a feel of town/thinking about the game. Also tone.

Do you not think we should be looking at the EOD scramble at all ?

[JarJarDrinks]

Android slot anyone?

[JarJarDrinks]

Android slot anyone?

Ankamius? Nah

cuz why? You like dat ISO?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Lalendra

[JarJarDrinks]

Im going to go ahead and say "Claim"

ur not even voting her dude

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I mean y not? Are you guys just pressuring them for content?

I mean, I'm curious why YOUR vote isn't there. If you wanna lala to claim then help run her up.

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expected you to have obvtowned already

he obvtowned when he fakeclaimed vig.

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anyway, VOTE: texcat

JJD wagon has no legs (sad)
I don't like Mylo/Dunn wagons
Lalawagon is OK at face value, but Wave and JJD both being on it gives me the heeblies

Tex is mildly leanscum, mostly on the wagon because the other wagons are no bueno. feelsbad going to a wagon I'm not super jazzed about, but I did hit Wheme that way, so it could be worse

I still think ur town but man ur reads are awful.

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Who'd have thunk androids replacement would be more useless than android?

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why is vax commonly TR'd?

why is texcat commonly SR'd?

these are my two biggest questions atm.

I TR vax cuz fake claiming vig as scum is about as dumb of a play as one could make.

I don't SR tex.

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I'm not going to waste my time defending myself against the wagon that's forming, other than to say I'm town. I prefer to spend my time trying to find the actual scum.

find actual scum yet?

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Creature, why'd u leave the lala wagon?

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He retracted the claim the next day though.

The reason it's dumb to fakeclaim vig as scum is cause if there is a real vig out there then he will shoot you.

Retracting the claim the next day doesn't remove the reason for it being a terrible scum play.

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I'm not going to waste my time defending myself against the wagon that's forming, other than to say I'm town. I prefer to spend my time trying to find the actual scum.

find actual scum yet?

Please see my post in which I vote TBG and list out my reasons for doing so.

But that was before you said you weren't gonna waste your time defending yourself because you were gonna be finding actual scum.

So if you already found actual scum before you said that and you aren't gonna "waste time" defending urslef, what are u doing ?

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Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

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Creature, why'd u leave the lala wagon?

It felt pointless.

Why did it feel pointless? Hopkirk and flavor both said she's scum. They're both confirmed town. Flavor was dead on with his weme read. Weme openly committed wifom to make sure scum were able to kill flavor (which means he was a huge threat).

I'm 99 percent sure flavor called out two scum members at least. If that's true I'd be willing to bet on lalendra the most out of his call outs.

IDK how much bad creature play we can excuse because "He posts when he's town".

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Are there only two scum? Because it seems to me I have one more to find.

that was my point. you said were too busy looking for scum to defend yourself/. Wondering when the scumhunting was gonna start?

Do you have an actual question or are you just going to nitpick me to death?

Sure, thoughts on the leading wagons?

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Call me when the obvscum are all gone

U sure you wouldn't rather be here to try to derail their wagons?

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not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

This looks more like scum who jumps off when Wheme fakeclaims than Dunn. Goes onto Wheme despite no stated scumread (from a loneish wagon) on Wheme, jumps off Wheme after the claim onto the Penguin counterwagon. Also the reluctancy in the initial Wheme vote (we'll probably go back to penguin)- despite not being on Penguin- sounds like someone planning to hop off/not comitted.

I'm buying this.

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not feeling those wagons today.
wheme over penguin, but we may have to go back to PP anyway.

VOTE: whemestar

After yesterday I feel okay with my vote on Wheme.

I have no idea how Texcat could make that post asking about extension (not to say it looked like giving an extension would suggest answer) and then asks about Mylo.

VOTE: penguinpower
Don't scumread tbg, nor do I want another claim.

Will switched if needed.

This looks more like scum who jumps off when Wheme fakeclaims than Dunn. Goes onto Wheme despite no stated scumread (from a loneish wagon) on Wheme, jumps off Wheme after the claim onto the Penguin counterwagon. Also the reluctancy in the initial Wheme vote (we'll probably go back to penguin)- despite not being on Penguin- sounds like someone planning to hop off/not comitted.

I'm buying this.

especially how in 3255 he doesnt even acknowledge wheme at all. His only other post after the claim was this:

I'd prefer PP over tbg tbh

As if PP vs TBG were the only options there were. His vote is on wheme so u'd think he'd acknowledge him somehow. Like not even an opinion on the clam?

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Right now the lynch pool is {Creature, TehBrawlGuy, Scioness Sajj, Lalendra}

IN: Dunn
OUT: TBG