Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

Gustavo · Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:09 am

In post 2349, Keyser Söze wrote:She said for reactions...? Bait scum? The protection may not even be the reason why there was no NK...

I don’t know Gustavo. But we are not lynching a claimed doctor on D2. Let the night phase resolve your paranoia.

Yeah it doesn’t make sense. That’s been my thing the entire time. Her play overall since I’ve replaced in hasn’t made sense to me from a town pov.

Nobody was going to lynch her before the claim, I definitely know it’s not going to happen after which is why I unvoted.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:25 am

In post 2361, Nauci wrote:Gustavo I don't see a case from you on Skitter. Why do you scumread her?

I don’t even remember anymore. It doesn’t matter anyway.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:33 am

In post 951, Gustavo wrote:
In post 191, Shoshin wrote:Nauci
Why did you vote nauci immediately after math did with absolutely no reason for it and hardly any mention of him prior?

This was combative?

I guess scum hunting isn’t allowed anymore on this site if it’s going to be misrepped as combative

Gustavo · Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:43 am

Gustavo · Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:51 am

Sorry I thought you were asking about town protection roles

Gustavo · Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:14 pm

In post 2389, BlackVoid wrote:It might actually be a good idea for TheWorst/Momrangal to claim. If we're going to wait all the way until intent is given, we're probably going to scramble towards deadline and it seems pretty obvious that those are our likely options.

Da hell?

Gustavo · Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:14 pm

In post 2392, brassherald wrote:Franklin Delano Roosevelt was no stranger to his cousins, either, in fact, he married one of them, another fifth cousin, Eleanor Roosevelt.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:15 pm

VOTE: black

Gustavo · Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:44 pm

In post 2392, brassherald wrote:Franklin Delano Roosevelt was no stranger to his cousins, either, in fact, he married one of them, another fifth cousin, Eleanor Roosevelt.

Votecount 2.10

momrangal (4)
~ Bernie Sanders, skitter30, Errantparabola, the worst, Irrelephant11

the worst (2)
~ Keyser Soze, Nauci

Keyser Soze (1)
~ shoshin

Gustavo (1)
~ Not_Mafia

Not Voting (2): BlackVoid, Momrangal, Gustavo,

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-15 20:30:00)

This should be 5 yes? I count 5

Yes, I can only reliably count to 4

Gustavo · Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:47 pm

VOTE: mom

Gustavo · Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:13 am

In post 2425, brassherald wrote:FDR also was the only president ever elected more than twice, being elected to 4 terms. The Twenty-Second Amendment, or the Lame Duck Amendment, now makes that illegal.

It’s a shame term limits don’t apply to all elected officials.

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:41 am

I told yall mom was scum

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:43 am

mod, I know you are busy with RL stuff but at some point can you update the Events sections? Final Vote counts are much easier to find that way. Thank you sir

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:49 am

VOTE: keyser

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:50 am

In post 2436, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2433, the worst wrote:OoOooOOoooOoOOOOO

who else had a good night?
Your mum

:rimjob:

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:50 am

oops, meant rimshot. my bad

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:50 am

In post 2437, brassherald wrote:
In post 2435, Gustavo wrote:
mod, I know you are busy with RL stuff but at some point can you update the Events sections? Final Vote counts are much easier to find that way. Thank you sir
Will do probably tomorrow.

thank you kind sir

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:57 am

I need to look at what my day 1 reads were.

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:59 am

I don’t think VCA clears Keyser.

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:00 am

I like Keyser and elephantman for scum right now

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:00 am

Skitter could be scum also

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:10 am

In post 2453, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2447, Gustavo wrote:I don’t think VCA clears Keyser.
Yes I had my EoD1 vote on Mom...
Yes, I had Mom in my bottom two scum reads on D2 but never voted for him..
Yes, I asked Mom to roleclaim at L-2 way before the deadline...
Yes, I decided to kickstart the TW wagon instead of jumping on the lead wagon...

But you’ll find the reasons why all in my ISO.

If you do not understand my motivation in any of the above I’ll explain.

1. Distancing and avoiding a mislynch
2. That’s part of why I scum read you. Putting buddies as scum but not pushing them is common scum play
3. And?
4. And?

Nothing you just said makes me think I’m wrong.

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:56 am

VOTE: skittles

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:13 am

I actually don’t think the worst should claim their info yet. I think it makes scum nervous this way if he is indeed legit.

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:14 am

Unless somebody has info the worst is lying. Fos anyone who’s voted him or pushing for a claim. Especially a full claim.

But if tw has a guilty he should definitely put it this day phase.

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:16 am

That’s a bad vote. NM is always useless. Voting them won’t help

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:22 am

In post 2523, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2521, Gustavo wrote:That’s a bad vote. NM is always useless. Voting them won’t help
He’s not L-1 and please don’t defend him. If you keep reinforcing his playstyle I don’t get to see a reaction.

I’m not defending him. I’d love to personally PL him every game. I’m just not sure you’ll get a reaction. He’s like a sociopath or whatever. Somebody who shows no emotions and doesn’t care what happens to them.

I think I’m kind of jealous of him tbh.

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 11:27 am

In post 2526, Nauci wrote:Skitter is town. Skitter is soooooooooo town.

Based off what?

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:14 pm

Can somebody link me to multiple the worst scum games where he faked a Pr?

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:38 pm

Heisenberg avatar on Keyser Söze seems kind of weird to me. Why not a Keyser Söze avatar?

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:32 pm

In post 2542, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2540, Gustavo wrote:Heisenberg avatar on Keyser Söze seems kind of weird to me. Why not a Keyser Söze avatar?
I prefered your Gustavo avatar. Reminded me how much I loved that show. Plus was gonna do roleplay tomorrow. Will change it to EP's read diagram if he's town

New day New Gustavo

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:55 pm

In post 2549, Keyser Söze wrote:@Gustavo - what do you make of Mom's posts RE: TW/Gemini... Indicative of anti-associations?

I’ll let you know when I get time to read it.

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:55 pm

In post 2560, Nauci wrote:You think it's plausible that Scum!Skitter would, beginning at page 18, push for a lynch on Momrangal, who was providing Day Chat to the scum PT, when Skitter is a pretty talkative person who would likely make great use of Daychat?

Anything is plausible in mafia.

Gustavo · Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:19 pm

Oh you’re a lawyer

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:46 am

i'm around but i'm completely lost. I need to sit down and re-read but no time

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:50 am

I feel like Bernie is probably town. NM and TW are leaning town. that's about it

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:01 am

he is playing the same useless self as I have seen from him as town.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:01 am

though I would definitely lynch him because I don't want him anywhere near mylo/lylo

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:06 am

who has analyzed mom's posts? who is most likely scum from them? I want to do it myself but again no time.

I like keyser as scum because he wasn't on the lynch but asked for a claim. You ask for a claim when someone is at L-1 and intent is given, you don't ask at l-2. i don't really see him pushing hard for that lynch either. like he didn't want to bus which makes sense as they would lose day talk.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:21 am

just off memory skitter and keyser but somebody said skitter was not mom's partner and I am not sure why that was said. I can't do this off memory anymore, I need to refresh my mind by reading

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:22 am

VOTE: not mafia

I want him to either start playing the game or gtfo. I can't accurately read somebody who doesn't allow himself to be read.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:23 am

my vote stays on him until he provides a complete read list with at least some sort of explanation, especially an explanation for his scum reads.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:41 am

yes I realize what I said earlier. I'm fine with letting him get lynched now. he is either scum or town playing against his win condition.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:59 am

I’ll read that in the next hour or 2. Promise.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:51 am

In post 2605, Nauci wrote:
In post 2592, Gustavo wrote:just off memory skitter and keyser but somebody said skitter was not mom's partner and I am not sure why that was said. I can't do this off memory anymore, I need to refresh my mind by reading
Didn't you just respond to my post about how Skitter had been trying to lynch mom with singular perseverance since page 18

I did respond. It wasn’t an agreement with you

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:56 am

In post 2599, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2547, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 794, Momrangal wrote:I am rethinking my read on Bernie, and I think he's going after low hanging fruit duck.

Bernie made a huge ass case on duck, and his tone and I agree with the lack of direction but I entirely disagree with duck being given enough space. I have that slot as null, but I honestly don't find his pred scummy outside the supposed semi-trustish whatever tell you want to call it regarding him replacing out. Even if whatsherface and skits (I think it was) told each other that they were excited to play the same alignment, I don't think replacing out should ever be alignment indicative and no one really has given duck a chance to do more than get his feet wet.

He even said that the wagon would have zero effect because he lacks time and wouldn't have it later in the week but absolutely no one has payed attention to that little tidbit.

Further more, this case on duck came when after duck said he wouldn't have any time to defend himself, and after duck is at a vulnerable L-2 (1?) position making it completely viable that duck gets lynched before he even had more time to get himself busy.

He also pushes duck but still takes a wholly neural stance on the matter so that, when popular scum read duck flips town, he can take the blame off himself considerably easier than most others gunning for his lych
Again, I don't think this is the way Mom describes/defends their scumpartner (the worst). She's begging for us to give TW a chance to prove themselves, and try to see past that suspicious replace out by Gemini.

If TW is scum this is actually some impressive anti-distancing from Momrangel here.

Perhaps this really is scum attacking town for going after lynchbait (and I had Bernie and TW completely wrong on D2)
@Gustavo

What are your thoughts on the above (RE: Momrangel-the worst associations).

Are you trying to say mom and duck are scum? If so I guess I can see it. He’s claiming a PR though at a weird time.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:05 am

I think given the mom scum flip, bernie looks town. mom is basically trying to discredit bernie in that post for his push on the worst. why would mom need to do that if the worst was town?

p.edit - I think most everyone has posted now right? if yes then we can push for his claim.

his post implies he has a guilty. if scum he has to bus or hang himself.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:54 am

In post 2614, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2612, Gustavo wrote:I think given the mom scum flip, bernie looks town. mom is basically trying to discredit bernie in that post for his push on the worst. why would mom need to do that if the worst was town?
Yes, Mom was attacking Bernie for going after low hanging fruit (TW).

What does that indicative RE: TW’s alignment... that’s my question...

P.EDIT just read BV’s comment describing it as “normal scum play”. Wouldn’t the conventional distancing scum play be to scum read TW (and not defend TW)? That’s my dilemma right now.

given mom flipped scum, I am now considering tw could be scum.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:55 am

In post 2615, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 2597, Gustavo wrote:yes I realize what I said earlier. I'm fine with letting him get lynched now. he is either scum or town playing against his win condition.
Nope

in my opinion you are

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:35 am

In post 2650, Irrelephant11 wrote:Oh also Mom never said a word about BV

Is that really damning?

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:39 am

In post 2652, BlackVoid wrote:I expected her to flip scum so I was on the lookout for who was townreading her for bad reasons or looked to be partnered with her

You didn’t call me out for being against a mom lynch. Why is that given the quoted statement?

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:41 am

In post 2655, Errantparabola wrote:I neighborized worst.

Why?

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:47 am

In post 2658, Errantparabola wrote:cause i thought he was town d1 and we're friends and i like him

What was the stupid reason you had for the town read? Did you ever explain it?

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:49 am

In post 2666, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2663, Errantparabola wrote:Why is me being town so confusing to you?!?!?!?!?!?
I need a town clear before I change my avatar!

Hi

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:50 am

In post 2669, Keyser Söze wrote:Neigbourizer.. is that usually town aligned in these type of games on mafiascum?

I’ll check later.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:58 am

In post 2671, Gustavo wrote:
In post 2669, Keyser Söze wrote:Neigbourizer.. is that usually town aligned in these type of games on mafiascum?
I’ll check later.

About 25% of the time it’s scum.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:29 pm

In post 2717, Bernie Sanders wrote:maybe EP and TW just claimed their scum pt as a neighbourhood in the ultimate gambit strat

I thought about that

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:30 pm

I’m looking at what we’ve had flipped so far, taking into account my role and other roles it’s not enough info for breaking the setup yet.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 18, 2018 11:47 pm

In post 2767, Nauci wrote:I think Gus is letting the soft clear on him make him complacent :<

Not true.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:36 am

VOTE: black void

I find it interesting he said he had mom as his top scum read but never votes. He also is seen asking why mom/bernie can’t be town v town. Later he’s talking about mom and the worst. Mom’s wagon already has 4 and He says he’s thinking of voting the worst. Why would he vote the worst over mom who is his top scum read and has the bigger wagon? He then disappeared and we lynched mom.

I saw mom pushing hard early day 1 for nm’s predecessor so for now nm can be left to continue playing against his win condition imo.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:39 am

In post 470, Momrangal wrote:Mathprobtown but I'm probably gonna flip back and forth there

This was also weird. But that’s just me

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:07 am

Lack of votes is antitown

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:28 am

I don’t think I can trust you. I actually think you’re a good chance at being mom’s partner.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:09 am

In post 2779, BlackVoid wrote:
In post 2777, Gustavo wrote:I don’t think I can trust you. I actually think you’re a good chance at being mom’s partner.
You should. I've already put much more into this game than I've ever done as scum over whole games. As scum, I would almost certainly have voted Momrangal early on because looking good is more important than being right. I was unsure between Momrangal and TheWorst and really wanted to make sure I made the right decision there. I would
never
have made a post like 2423 as scum. I wouldn't spend a whole catchup pushing my partner and then flush any potential towncred I could get down the toilet by backing off at the last moment. I also didn't "disappear." I went to sleep and when I woke up, I found out N_M hammered. I don't think I can convince you that not voting until you're ready isn't anti-town but since you know for a fact, I hold onto my vote, you should see that it isn't alignment indicative.

Reading the posts, I really don’t feel this is true. I honestly think you were torn about bussing and was hoping the wagon shifted. You never expected me to vote which set up for a quick hammer.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:19 am

Oh so I had. I still don’t see why you didn’t vote or want to vote there. Especially with the comment you made today

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:20 am

Has tw claimed his results yet?

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:25 am

VOTE: the worst

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:26 am

Claim results and I’ll unvote.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:24 am

Nm voting mom is townie than bv being wishy washy about mom

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:25 am

Mom/invis also doesn’t look like scum interaction

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:56 pm

In post 2817, brassherald wrote:Al Smith, the first Catholic to run for President, supposedly was building a tunnel to the Vatican to get advice from the Pope.

Across the ocean?

Yeah, it was the 20s, and it may have been a joke, but some people took it seriously. Historians place Herbert Hoover's win in that election solely on the anti-Catholic sentiment in America at the time. -brass

Gustavo · Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:31 pm

In post 2827, Irrelephant11 wrote:Interested in where Keyser is going to go

Me too.

Gustavo · Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:54 am

Scum can’t win so I’m fine with a bv vote

Gustavo · Sun Jul 22, 2018 3:48 am

VOTE: black void

Gustavo · Sun Jul 22, 2018 7:31 am

In post 3036, Nauci wrote:
In post 3033, Gustavo wrote:Scum can’t win so I’m fine with a bv vote
And here I was hoping people would actually read/like my case! Or at least my glorious tribute to MathDino meme

You’ve put way too much effort and idk why. Those VCs and stuff were so hard to read for me. Tbh I haven’t read most of it but I don’t have an issue with that vote.

Gustavo · Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:37 am

VOTE: not mafia

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:51 am

In post 3067, Keyser Söze wrote:Do you wanna see something funny? Remember Invisibility...? Before she replaced out she nailed two of the three scum...

Invisibility's (Not_Mafia slot) D1 posts on
Momrangal
and
GeminiTwin12
before replacing out:

"
VOTE: Momrangal

your name makes me feel unpleasant"

"i'm feeling most nervous about this

VOTE: GeminiTwin12

3/4 of her posts are rehashes/easy to make
i would like to see more from her"

"i guess i can see mom's reason for suspicion but like it still isn't a good read, especially after now because mom should have more thoughts than just me seeming tryhardy"

"i want to scumread mom but it feels wrong to scumread mom right now"

The two players she expressed the most suspicion on were the momrangel and the worst slots. Invisibility also expressed town reads on: Shoshin, stungun, Keyser, skitter...

Now was this town-Invisibility having an excellent game, solving the game in under 10 posts...?
Or was this scum-Invisibility making an uncomfortable/awkward/timid start to the game, and throwing shade/suspicion on her two scum teammates? Momrangal's early D1 infatuation/tunnel of the invisibility slot makes this series of interactions that even more so suspicious

Interesting

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:52 am

In post 3073, Keyser Söze wrote:@Nauci
- you ever seen any setups with a (weakened?) doctor and a 1-shot bulletproof townie?

I.e does it make sense balance wise?

I know this was directed at nauci but I’ve searched the archives and there has been both before.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:03 am

In post 3076, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm town let's lynch someone else

You aren’t playing like town.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:20 am

In post 3080, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 3078, Gustavo wrote:
In post 3076, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm town let's lynch someone else
You aren’t playing like town.
And yet I am town, so lynch scum plskthnxbai

Sorry I don’t believe you.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:21 am

In post 3083, Keyser Söze wrote:F**k knows which wincon he has, but it doesn’t look like the same as mine right now.

Exactly. He’s not playing toward a town win condition so when he tells me he’s town I don’t believe it cause I don’t see it.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:23 am

In post 3087, Irrelephant11 wrote:Someone put a vote on NM so I can do the lolhammer

Please somebody let this happen. If town NM is a liability we can’t afford to have but I think he’s flipping red so let’s do it

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:30 am

In post 3099, Irrelephant11 wrote:wait but Keyser we should talk about out options

we are the two cleariest clears I believe

If nauci is legit yes. It’s

You/Keyser
Nauci
Me

Lynch pool is bv/nm/or the other person I can’t remember their name rn

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:32 am

In post 3105, Keyser Söze wrote:We have time to talk about BV and our collective ‘town’ reads

I was hoping N_M was gonna show me signs of his famous scum hunting ‘skill’.

NM doesn’t scum hunt. He’s a gut/feels player. He’s admitted that in a game we played. So don’t expect anything more than what you are already getting.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:33 am

In post 3109, Not_Mafia wrote:That is scumhunting

No it isn’t.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:42 am

In post 3113, Not_Mafia wrote:Not my problem

that's where the "playing against your win condition" comes in to play. if you are town it SHOULD be your problem. if you are town, you are going to get lynched today because of how you are playing. You aren't trying to find scum. You aren't even paying attention. You are scum or dead weight.

bye felicia

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:43 am

In post 3115, Irrelephant11 wrote:so I think we can just decide who to lynch.

NM is who we lynch

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:04 am

In post 3115, Irrelephant11 wrote:pedit2: I'm gonna start by looking at mom/tw/gustavo interactions

why?

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:11 am

In post 3122, Irrelephant11 wrote:Because if we lynch BV and he flips 1sbp, you (gustavo) are no longer cleared. And since we have to wait a while for BV to come back, and NM is being pretty stubborn, getting a closer look at you is another helpful option

even if he flips 1sbp i'm still cleared imo.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:38 am

In post 3124, Irrelephant11 wrote:Mechanically, that could no longer be true. If he flips 1sbp, he becomes ~equally likely to have been the N1 target, except by virtue of flipping green he'd be
more
likely in retrospect than you to have been the target.

Him flipping green doesn’t make him more likely the target though. Like why would scum shoot that slot?

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:50 am

but just cause somebody says they are regularly NKd doesn't mean they are.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:55 am

I just went through like the last 6/7 games and math was killed n1 (I think) once. The mod of that game was lazy and didn't indicate when each person died.

but he isn't though. my slot was universally town read and his wasn't. my slot wasn't getting lynched so it makes sense to kill those people day 1.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:59 am

I see no issues with these posts

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:26 am

In post 3134, Irrelephant11 wrote:Do we need to worry about errant?

He definitely needs to be looked in to at some point but today it’s nm or bv. Probably nm

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:34 am

I forgot about the neighborizer.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:39 am

My gut says with the neighborizer scum is either bv or errant but let’s lynch nm anyway

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:42 am

Town

Odd Night Doctor
Tracker
Neopolitan
Neighborizer
1 shot BP

Scum

Encryptor
Goon
Ninja or Blocker?

Who thinks this looks balanced?

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:50 am

Idk. I’m not sure what reviewers think about with that.

VOTE: bv

I think I’ll just black list NM going forward. That’s more than once he’s been a done useless turd. He even cost me a win.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:56 am

Someone look over Errantparabola posts. I’m heading out and can’t.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:56 am

Who did he neighbor?

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:57 am

Oh he neighbors TW. That could be a fake claim

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:10 am

God forgot about skitter also

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:21 am

VOTE: nm
Much pleasure

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:29 am

UNVOTE:

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:30 am

In post 3172, Keyser Söze wrote:@Not_Mafia roleclaim too.

There may be a reason why he voted Irrelephant11 and Gustavo.............

It’s cause he is either scum or playing against his win condition.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:43 am

VOTE: nm

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:07 am

In post 3192, Errantparabola wrote:with a blocker this doesn't look too far off of balance? 10/3 is CRAZY skewed towards scum

10:3 is like 95% of the games here though so not really.

I don’t really see the point of a bp here but whatever

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:09 am

In post 3192, Errantparabola wrote:Okay, yeah that's another thing
Why does TW suicide to push NM forward? This D2 fake guilty strategy makes me think that they've got someone who they feel like can go long (or at least, longer than worst which was admittedly not a super high bar this game) which sort of exists directly in conflict with the people i'm townreading

If this was the strategy, this would not point to NM but supposedly tw has done this before so idk if that was the strategy

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:13 am

Is that l-1?

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:15 am

It’s l-1 again.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:15 am

In post 3203, Irrelephant11 wrote:yeah it's not hammer but was hoping for claim, oh well

He claimed vt

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:20 am

In post 3179, Not_Mafia wrote:VT

Now lynch scum

VOTE: EP

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:35 am

write out cases on both of us or stfu and die

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:36 am

In post 3213, Irrelephant11 wrote:blackvoid are you willing to eat a lynch to help us sort gustavo/errant?

how would a bv lynch help sort me/errant?

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:52 am

In post 3218, Irrelephant11 wrote:We have 3 lynches for you/errant/gustavo/nm.

what about skitter? he isn't cleared

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:00 am

Pronouns... sorry

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:04 am

I guess this is why last scum doesn’t give up. While I fee it’s a slam dunk by poe, if something hinky is going on then they can still win.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:24 am

In post 3230, Nauci wrote:Because Mathdino is so good at nailing the worst to the wall he did it here as a ghost from a past game

Tw definitely shoots math if math was town

Until I see evidence from multiple past games, you can’t really use that as an argument.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:01 am

Really wish shos wouldn’t have Fucking claimed

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:14 am

In post 3253, Nauci wrote:BV/Gus you'll see that a lot of the actions in this game make more sense if you accept that several of us are in the Church of MathDino because as town he's basically a force of nature and we respect his capabilities a lot.

Nobody is that good. I highly doubt math is either.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:31 am

In post 3260, Not_Mafia wrote:Poor

Gustavo next then EP

If town yes your play was.

I told you post cases or die. Good riddance regardless of your alignment

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:07 am

In post 3263, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 3260, Not_Mafia wrote:Poor

Gustavo next then EP
Explain why a townie should be town reading you?

Explain how a townie should be sheeping your scum case on Gustavo / Errant?

Whatever you think you are, or have tried to convey this game... you have failed.

This. If you are town I’m seriously going to be phased at you. This is multiple times you’ve intentionally hurt town. You’ve already cost me 1 win and if you cost me another I’m reporting you for playing against your win condition

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:08 am

*pissed

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 10:08 am

Regardless of your alignment please don’t replace into any games I’m in anymore

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:12 am

Isn’t he Lynched?

Anyways I just read some ISO’s. I feel good with nm being the last scum.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:15 am

You keep saying that yet doing nothing to convince us otherwise.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:17 am

Pretty sure nauci hammered.

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:17 am

Lazy ass mod needs to do a VC

Gustavo · Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:25 am

In post 3278, BlackVoid wrote:Really, what's up with this game and everyone being nuts about suspecting me. He's hammered and I really hope that ends the game. I'm getting tired of dealing with the paranoia.

Mod saying he's not going to be back for several hours. I PM'd him when the hammer happened.

I just never got any genuineness from you. To me your posts just fell flat and you weren’t focusing on the right things imo.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:50 pm

I didn’t think I was the NK target. I thought shos was stupid to save me. I honestly felt I’m being saved for lylo. My gut says one of the claims is fake. I’ve searched the archived games and when scum has an encryptor, scum never have a neighborizer. I found one game where scum had a BP RBer and an encryptor and town had a neighborizer but I actually can see errant being scum here. He had a vote on tw and he was late and no reason. He had a vote on mom that’s again was late and no reason.

I don’t really have a read on skitter yet but nobody else seems to think he’s scum so it’s not worth looking there I guess. I will before the day ends.

So if we can eliminate skitter, We need to either lynch one of those bv/ errant today or lynch me and y’all deal with which one of the remaining tomorrow.

Logic says bv today. My heart/gut says it’s errant.

We obviously have time so when I have more of it I’ll do some more reading.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:58 pm

And I now immediately regret making this post now. I should have let errant post first.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:12 pm

In post 1621, brassherald wrote:Votecount 1.Final
Gamma Emerald(7) ~ Mathdino, Shoshin, Not_Mafia, Gustavo, the worst, Irrelephant11, Bernie Sanders

So this is mostly town lead. If one scum that’s tw. If 2, math/myself

In post 2430, brassherald wrote:momrangal (6)~ Bernie Sanders, skitter30, Errantparabola, the worst, Irrelephant11, Gustavo,Not_Mafia

If 1 scum same as above.

If 2 scum - me/errant/skitter

In post 3026, brassherald wrote:the worst (6)~ Gustavo, Errantparabola, Bernie Sanders, Nauci, Keyser Soze, BlackVoid

If scum is on its me/errant/bv

If scum is off it’s skitter.

I was kind of hoping to learn something. I didn’t

Ok I’m v/la for the next couple of days. I’ll relook at that when I come back.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 25, 2018 4:13 pm

In post 3298, Errantparabola wrote:Or you can just lynch me before then and save me the work

Agree. I’d rather die today and play armchair qb yellling at whoever is town from the dead thread.

Gustavo · Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:35 pm

In post 3302, Errantparabola wrote:First things first I want us to sort each other earnestly and transparently here

That’s what I’m trying to do

Gustavo · Wed Jul 25, 2018 11:40 pm

In post 3302, Errantparabola wrote:1) What do you mean you're being saved for lylo? Why would it be more rational for you to be killed over Bernie (claimed investigative) or Nauci (claimed investigative)? What's your justification on this point?
2) When was it that my vote on TW was late? I already mentioned that yeah, my mom vote was just throwing out a whatever, just join a wagon vote. But I want to know how you interpreted my interactions with worst to be.

1. It was a comment I made earlier before all the claims came out. The fact that I’m probably going to be alive at lylo is why I mentioned it again.
2. After checking I miscounted. Your first vote on the worst was only the 3rd, I originally thought it was the 4th. Though your voting and unvoting of him later stand out to me.

I need more time to process and I’m going to be busy the next couple of days.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:32 am

I’m George Washington

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:33 am

Fuck it. I’m Gustavo Washington

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:09 am

I don’t see anything in the role information of flipped scum to suggest they had fake claims though.

mod were scum given fake claims?

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:28 am

In post 3316, skitter30 wrote:
In post 3314, Gustavo wrote:I don’t see anything in the role information of flipped scum to suggest they had fake claims though.

mod were scum given fake claims?
uh both flips have fake-claims in them

I didn’t see one.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:29 am

In post 3318, Irrelephant11 wrote:Hmmm intentional "townslip" or townslip... hmmmmmmm

Show me the fake claim.

President name isn’t a fake claim

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:32 am

Well I wasn’t looking for the word safe. I was looking for fake. My mistake.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:09 am

Thanks. Apparently it was my fault not yours.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:33 am

So I personally think it should be me or bv today. Obviously I’d prefer bv over me but I’ll go if it makes it easier.

Those posts by skitter makes me feel like it’s not him

Bv didn’t vote mom and only voted the worst due to the whole fake claim thing. I wouldn’t put it past the worst to fake a guilty on his partner.

I voted both mom and the worst. I also think while some people may hate my play, it literally makes no sense for me to play like this as scum.

VOTE: bv

I don’t really think I need to put effort into today since it’s not mylo/lylo.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:21 pm

In post 3346, BlackVoid wrote:
In post 3271, Gustavo wrote:Isn’t he Lynched?

Anyways I just read some ISO’s. I feel good with nm being the last scum.
Whose ISOs did you read? I'm assuming this means you found other people town so who and why?

I honestly don’t remember anymore.

In post 3347, BlackVoid wrote:1. What does the bolded even mean?

2. You eliminate skitter because nobody else thinks she's scum?

3. If you don't think you were the NK target, then my slot has to be which basically confirms me so that sounds very illogical.

1. It means that based on past setups it points to you. But my gut says errant
2. Not just because others town read her, but it means it requires a hell of a case to convince people and I don’t see the evidence for it.
3. You’re right. It’s illogical but scum has been illogical so far

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:51 pm

In post 1665, Errantparabola wrote:my biggest reads are keyser and bernie as town.

I’d expect one of these 2 to neighbor.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:53 pm

In post 1278, Errantparabola wrote:Town:
Keyser, Bernie, Irre are varying degrees of town.
throw in the worst and Gustavo as hail-mary going out on a limb town.

Last post before day ends.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:17 pm

I still think one of me or bv should be today but I agree that your points cast doubt on errant.

I feel good that last scum is either bv/errant. If it’s skitter scum wins.

Gustavo · Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:28 pm

In post 3364, skitter30 wrote:like his posting today makes me feel like he doesn't really care who gets flipped

It’s because I don’t. It’s not mylo/lylo. I’m also supposed to be on v/la so I can’t really do much. I’ve pretty much eliminated you. If you are scum nobody is seeing it so you’ll win. So that means from my POV it’s bv or errant which means town wins no matter what.

If y’all want to lynch me today I already said that should be the choice. Me or bv.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:00 am

I did see a very odd statement from errant that I can’t process. Where he describes what happened in the Pt. I swear he describes the worst scum plan of painting others as scum buddies to mom. It’s weird.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:58 am

In post 3373, Keyser Söze wrote:FTR i’d prefer an Errant flip over a BV flip right now...
Reading on.

But for lylo it makes more sense than vote me or bv. Trying to decide in lylo if I was shot or he was BP is probably a bad idea

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:14 am

In post 3377, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 3375, Gustavo wrote:
In post 3373, Keyser Söze wrote:FTR i’d prefer an Errant flip over a BV flip right now...
Reading on.
But for lylo it makes more sense than vote me or bv. Trying to decide in lylo if I was shot or he was BP is probably a bad idea
Can’t 1sbp and you exist in the same set-up?

Yes but bv being shot doesn’t really make much sense and the claim came when mafia was faking a guilty on him. They had inside info so Bp claim could very well be fake.

Let me ask you this. What combo would you rather have in lylo

Me/errant
Bv/errant
Me/bv

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:15 am

In post 3378, Keyser Söze wrote:Now reading stungun0404/Gustavo - a slot who in my head, I've admittedly t/read since D1 (and done nothing with the slot since), despite Gustavo's aggressive entrance (which I viewed as a townie-caught-in-confirm-bias).

Why did everyone tr stun?

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:19 am

Like I get why garmr and rob are voting me. I honestly don’t know why anyone else is scum reading me. I’ve not been scummy at all and I’ve put more effort into solving the game than anyone else. Whoever is town voting me really need to start justifying their votes. I’m at l-2 and I’ve caught 2 scum

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:26 am

Really? Interesting

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:16 am

In post 3387, Keyser Söze wrote:Gustavo, read through Errant today and give me your thorough thoughts. I don’t want to see you building a case on him tomorrow instead of today.

I won’t be building a case on him tomorrow either. For me it’s literally one of 2 people. I don’t have to convince you or elephant who to vote.

I know that’s a shirt attitude but I’m lazy.

If you guys REALLY want something from me, it won’t come before Monday.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:45 am

I mean I’m not completely happy with my tr on skitter since he’s been my scum read majority of the game but that’s a waste of time.

I rest think we need to decide if scum faked a guilty on scum or scum faked being neighbors with scum.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:33 am

In post 3391, Irrelephant11 wrote:Gustavo you're confusing me. You've said a couple times something like "since it's either ep/bv and we have two lynches we almost definitely just win" and also "I should probably be one of the two lynches" and now "skitter might also be scum, I'm just not going to try if so". Those all contradict. Which do you mean to say?

From my POV it’s 3 possible people. Nobody seems to suspect skitter and even I can’t realy make a case for her. My read has basically been a gut thing. So if I eliminate skitter from the pool it’s down to two people.

I don’t want lylo to come down to me/bv because I feel no matter what I’ll get lynched. It’s more beneficial to determine if scum faked guilty on bv because he’s town or because he’s scum.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:12 am

Obviously I feel like bv would be the better vote but I have no objections.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:53 am

Y’all can rush the day. I’m not going to be able to give y’all what you want and I’m not going to fight my lynch.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:16 am

In post 3296, Gustavo wrote:I didn’t think I was the NK target. I thought shos was stupid to save me. I honestly felt I’m being saved for lylo. My gut says one of the claims is fake. I’ve searched the archived games and when scum has an encryptor, scum never have a neighborizer. I found one game where scum had a BP RBer and an encryptor and town had a neighborizer but I actually can see errant being scum here. He had a vote on tw and he was late and no reason. He had a vote on mom that’s again was late and no reason.

I don’t really have a read on skitter yet but nobody else seems to think he’s scum so it’s not worth looking there I guess. I will before the day ends.

So if we can eliminate skitter, We need to either lynch one of those bv/ errant today or lynch me and y’all deal with which one of the remaining tomorrow.

Logic says bv today. My heart/gut says it’s errant.

We obviously have time so when I have more of it I’ll do some more reading.

This post still sums up my thoughts.

Town should determine if scum faked guilty on scum or town. I feel that’s the most useful personally.

I was also the only one of the 3 to be on both scum wagons not like that means much I guess

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:59 am

In post 3414, Keyser Söze wrote:Gustavos case and push on shos was ugly to witness and read

Disagree. He deserved the pressure on him. He payed very scummy

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:09 am

In post 3416, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm finding his lack of motivation here pretty in line with my scumread too honestly

That’s dumb tho. Regardless what happens this game going forward drop this kind of thinking n

I’ve already done plenty this day. Sure I’m not making huge cases but that’s never been my thing.

If the neighborizer is legit, bv is probably scum. If it’s fake then clearly he’s scum.

Vote history though, bv wasn’t on mom. Bv also hammered scum. Any townie who knows how to play would vote scum faking a guilty right away and not unvote no matter what.

That’s why I said bv needs to go first. You have to think of it from my POV, not yours.

In your mind you basically have to decide between 3 people. I only have to decide between 2.

Town has 2 mislynches so from my POV I don’t care who of those 2 go today. The game is solved for me. It isn’t for you and I don’t know how else to communicate my thoughts since i have done that already. I’m not going to convince people I’m town either cause that’s not what I do either.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:16 am

In post 3418, skitter30 wrote:can you elaborate on your read on me a bit more?

This to me?

Out of the 3 not confirmed you look the least like the partner to scums. You’re also townread by everyone else.

If everyone else is wrong, I’m ok being wrong also.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:22 am

In post 3420, skitter30 wrote:do *you* think i'm scummy tho?

(ie independant of how everyone else is reading me)

Yes I do.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:24 am

In post 3421, Keyser Söze wrote:Show me a scum game Gustavo has been guilty of getting his hands so bloody with his aggressive playstyle and sub optimal decisions.

I think I’ve only been scum once and the entire team stayed quiet and let town eat themselves.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:42 am

In post 3424, skitter30 wrote:so you're basically just resigned to losing to me if i'm scum?

Yes. You’ve been able to stay out of the crosshairs and as we near lylo, nobody really sees you as scum. Regardless of who is lynched today, you won’t be lynched tomorrow by anyone. Scum will push the other townie, the other townie will push scum. The remaining clear will have to either pick between them or magically find something they didn’t find today.

Literally no chance you get lynched inho

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:47 am

In post 3424, skitter30 wrote:but you're instead looking for reasons to find other people scummy and are kinda just ignoring me and your read on me

How have my reads been this game?

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 10:53 am

And I have looked over your posts. I’ve already said that. So you implying I haven’t isn’t accurate. Out of the 4 of us I know 1 is town. I see one who doesn’t look as bad as the other 2.

I honestly don’t think scum shot me. I honestly don’t think scum shot math either. Bv didn’t do much of value when replacing in and didn’t vote mom and only hammered the worst. That sticks out the most to me. That’s where my vote lies.

I’m voting who I think is scum. I lack the power of persuasion cause nobody ever listens to me.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:55 pm

In post 1990, Errantparabola wrote:On my phone cause campus internet’s down. I will respond to things later
Here is a very rough, but well ordered set, of my reads

Bernie
Nauci
Irre
Keyser
Shoshin
Gustavo
BlackVoid
Skitter
NotMafia
Worst
Mom

Anyone find this list weird? Errant has both scum as his top 2 reads?

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:03 pm

If my wife doesn’t nag me I’ll dig through stuff on my phone

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:27 pm

In post 2110, Errantparabola wrote:i cant wait for mom and the worst to both inexplicably flip town and for us to lose the game

I don’t understand this post considering he’s supposedly scum reading at least one of them.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:34 pm

In post 2655, Errantparabola wrote:I neighborized worst.
I told him that he was obviously softing PR. I asked where his reads were and said that he was pushing nauci and skitter hard yesterday and setting them up as partners with mom while trying to push mom and that was suspicious to me

@errant. Where are these obvious hints that he was hinting at a Pr? Why if you saw them was he not higher on your list?

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:44 pm

In post 2245, BlackVoid wrote:the worst
Errantparabola
Irrelephant11
Momrangal

Mom is his top scum read but isn’t on the mom wagon?

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:08 pm

I honestly don’t know what I’m looking for that I haven’t found already. I feel like I’m nitpicking.

Bv doesn’t react at all when shos claims I was protected. Literally nothing. If I was in that situation I’d have reacted

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:11 pm

I honestly think tw faked a guilty on his partner. That’s my bottom line today. He avoided a mom wagon, he hammered scum who faked a guilty on him instead of being sooner on the wagon.

That’s my vote.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:17 pm

In post 3435, Gustavo wrote:I honestly don’t know what I’m looking for that I haven’t found already. I feel like I’m nitpicking.

Bv doesn’t react at all when shos claims I was protected. Literally nothing. If I was in that situation I’d have reacted

Like I just posted this. There is literally nothing else I can read that I haven’t already. Your defense doesn’t convince me. I’m not moving my vote off you so piss off

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:20 pm

I’ve literally read the iso of you and errant 5 times. Read skitters twice.

The relevant part is your top scum read was mom and you didn’t vote mom.
Mom had the larger wagon and you talked about voting the worst instead of mom.

Mom flipped PR, the worst flipped goon. I wonder why the sudden shift and yet no vote.

I don’t buy that you needed to read more. The goal is to find and vote scum and you didn’t do that.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:32 pm

To everyone else. Clearly I’m inept at deciding which one of bv and errant is scum. If my reasons aren’t good enough for anyone, I can’t keep reading the same posts in hopes of finding something better or I would have found it already.

To me it’s either a fake BP claim or a fake neighbor claim. I realize it isn’t the same for keyser/elephant but asking me to put more effort when I’ve already put in a lot is just ridiculous. I’ve been top 2 in effort put into this entire game.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:33 pm

In post 3440, BlackVoid wrote:There's no logical explanation as to what caused this change of mind.

I was one of the only people who had reasons for gamma. Try again.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:38 pm

In post 734, Mathdino wrote:The worst or Gamma Emerald, those are my two picks
Gimme better wagons, it's how I get my kicks

VOTE: GEmerald

I can play that game also. The worst had 4 votes. He scum reads the worst but doesn’t join the larger wagon.

Maybe math was trying to shift focus off the worst?

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:48 pm

In post 1248, Gustavo wrote:That is where I am leaving it. I am going to try and just put my scum read of her on the backburner and start looking for other scum. I don't want to tunnel anymore and I don't want to argue. it's statistically proven to be detriment to town when these kinds of arguments happen.

And I did have a logical reason as to why I moved on from shos.

Plus deadline was like 5 days away and shos wasn’t happening.

So thanks bv. You just gave me even more confidence in my vote.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:53 pm

In post 3444, BlackVoid wrote:
In post 1199, Gustavo wrote:VOTE: gamma

The fact he’s not voted all game and his first vote is on me and
his reason basically implies he knows I’m town is a red flag for me

I can’t be scum who doesn’t give a shit if I’m wrong.
I’m fairly obviously town. He’s not scum hunting imo.
Your reasoning is here. Not voting all game is not a scumtell. The bolded is kinda silly. Town doesn't know who scum is so will always be considering multiple possibilities.

Now that he flipped town, I'm curious what you think happened there. You seemed to very definitive views about certain things being scumtells. So, you pushed Gamma for not voting, he flipped town. Then you push me for not voting. Why isn't there any sort of re-evaluation on whether the things you are calling scumtells actually are or not?

He and shos are [redacted].

No need to kick them while they are down.

Gamma basically scum slipped. Sometimes town do it, gamma votes me for no reason and then goes on to say I’m scum but I’m wrong. Scum can’t be wrong. Wrong means you are uninformed.

Gamma and I argued and it was very apparent he wasn’t playing from a town mindset. He wasn’t scum hunting and he wasn’t voting either.

Town’s biggest weapons are voice and vote. He looked like scum. Day was ending soon and I had to go with the crowd.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:56 pm

In post 3446, BlackVoid wrote:Your answer still doesn't explain to me why you unvoted and put your vote back on.

Why I unvoted is very clear. If you can’t see why I unvoted maybe buy some glasses.

I went to bed. Woke up and voted gamma cause I was scum reading him and Day was ending soon.

All of this was basically explained when it happened minus the part where I went to bed but looking at time stamps you can clearly see that was the case.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:59 pm

In post 3446, BlackVoid wrote:Nothing really changed in the interim.

Sure things changed. I went to bed. I woke up not really wanting to argue with shos anymore. I didn’t even want to talk about shos anymore. That’s why I was pissed gamma brought it back up.

At some point I had to stop working alone and start working with the rest of the players.

But go ahead. Defend your predecessor’s similar switch. When you compare the two math’s switch was hands down scummier imo m

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:06 pm

In post 3440, BlackVoid wrote:I see scum motivation in pushing there because there was heavy suspicion on Momrangal D1

Also if you noticed. The VC after I voted gamma, he had 2 votes on him. The VC before that one, he had 3. Mom wagon wasn’t even a thing and it was falling a part.
Magen deadline approaching I could vote gamma who I was suspicious of and was a good compromise lynch OR
What? Vote mom? A wagon that never had steam and was falling apart?

No. In that situation you can’t sit there and honestly say any townie would vote mom over gamma.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:13 pm

Keep in mind I had just replaced in around post 981. I immediately get into a fight with shos. Mom or gamma wasn’t even on my radar. Elephant asked me to iso 4 people. None of those 4 people were mom. I start iso’ing them and gamma stands out to me since they never voted.

Why would I join a wagon that never formed, was falling apart, and I had no read on them whatsoever?

When I could either continue to tunnel shos or help town lynch somebody who others were scum reading?

I wouldn’t.

Your predecessor scum read both and joined the gamma wagon also so if I’m suspicious for mine, your slot is also and your predecessor’s vote is hands down scummier.

Did he even have a reason for gamma? Probably not as good as mine

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:15 pm

In post 3452, BlackVoid wrote:You voted Momrangal at a point where it was almost assured that she was the lynch of the day with a small chance that it could be TheWorst.

And mom was your top scumnread and you didn’t vote her at all. You instead say you are thinking of voting the worst instead.

Didn’t want to bus the encryptor?

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:16 pm

In post 3452, BlackVoid wrote:You also briefly voted me for suggesting that both Momrangal and TheWorst claim

Because it’s anti-town to ask 2 people to claim when neither are at l-1

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:19 pm

In post 3452, BlackVoid wrote:Neither of these behaviors exclude you from being scum.

Then vote me. I’m not scum and I’ve already said today should be you or me.

I’m not afraid to die. You clearly are

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:25 pm

In post 3459, BlackVoid wrote:No, it's not.

Yes it is. Otherwise it’s role fishing. Asking 2 people to claim is definitely role fishing

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:28 pm

In post 2389, BlackVoid wrote:It might actually be a good idea for TheWorst/Momrangal to claim. If we're going to wait all the way until intent is given, we're probably going to scramble towards deadline and it seems pretty obvious that those are our likely options.

Mom had 5 votes. The worst had 2.

There is no town motivation for you to ask the worst to claim also

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:29 pm

In post 3461, BlackVoid wrote:So, I'm puzzled why you are both okay with your lynch and also not trying to solve the game.

Why the misrep? I’ve solved the game. Scum is you or errant, most likely you.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:32 pm

Mom never got to post because I put her at l-1 letting NM hammer

Now from the POV of bv being scum. Asking 2 people to claim, mom who’s l-2 and is scum PR, him mentioning we need both claims in case one claims a PR is kind of suspicious

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:32 pm

I’m like 90% bv now.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:33 pm

I’ve responded to that post already

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:33 pm

In post 3466, BlackVoid wrote:But do you really believe that your behavior excludes you from being scum

Yes. What a dumb question

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:35 pm

In post 3466, BlackVoid wrote:So that statement is a pretty big misrepresentation of your play.

How?

Did I vote both of them? Yes or no

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:35 pm

In post 3469, BlackVoid wrote:You didn't respond to my biggest issue with your votes.

I don’t care about your issues with my vote.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:38 pm

In post 3472, BlackVoid wrote:Because you are ignoring the context of your votes which I just went into.

Context to me doesn’t matter. It may matter to keyaer and elephant but my statement was the truth. I never claimed to have scum read them or pushed for their lynch. I just said I was on both which I was.

Gustavo · Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:42 pm

In post 2414, Gustavo wrote:
In post 2392, brassherald wrote:Franklin Delano Roosevelt was no stranger to his cousins, either, in fact, he married one of them, another fifth cousin, Eleanor Roosevelt.

Votecount 2.10

momrangal (4)
~ Bernie Sanders, skitter30, Errantparabola, the worst, Irrelephant11

the worst (2)
~ Keyser Soze, Nauci

Keyser Soze (1)
~ shoshin

Gustavo (1)
~ Not_Mafia

Not Voting (2): BlackVoid, Momrangal, Gustavo,

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-15 20:30:00)
This should be 5 yes? I count 5

Yes, I can only reliably count to 4

As of this VC deadline is in 2 days. After this BlackVoid is talking about evaluating claims and says he wants to iso some more before voting. He scum reads both players. Why does he need more time?

Probably stalling for mom to pop in with their agreed upon fake claim perhaps?