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stungun0404 Mafia Scum
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What is “problematic” about Stun’s wincon?In post 5260, the worst wrote:your win condition is problematic
that would be heartbreaking.In post 5257, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Mine, are peanuts and red kidney beans. Peanuts are actually beans, not nuts. My eyelids and lips can swell up, if I ingest enough of them. Not pretty.In post 5255, the worst wrote:chocolate soy milk is absolutely delicious
(i'd love to try almond milk but allergies >:/)I'm allergic to several tree nuts but fine with legumes, being the other way around would stink.
I also don't eat meat hah so the lack of nutrients might kill me
You could also have soy, hemp hearts (almost a complete source amino acids) and B12. My bill is in the mail.**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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hmm, i said “my most recent scum game you were in”In post 5272, the worst wrote:ah, I wouldn't regard arrogance as a necessarily negative thing, it definitely had a playful edge.
your "you couldn't catch me as scum last time!" doesn't come across as a townie comment
you take it as “last time”. i could see that impression, however by recent i mean that you’ve finished the game where i was scum that you were in.-
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wrong assumption :-/
i actually tend to be lynchbait-y when i’m a vanilla townie. check out lynchpin mafia via my wiki or via my thread search.-
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I really really like rice milk tooIn post 5280, Nosferatu wrote:ive only had soy milk my whole life until a few months ago when i switched to rice milk
basically I just drink a lot of soy milk for teh nutrition-
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Nancy Drew 39 She/HerNot that Inno ScentShe/Her
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If you’re seriously scumreading me at all based on my misunderstanding ot “game theory”, I should link you to D6 game on MU to disabuse of any notion of that. You’re absolutely right to townread me because I am town and 1 am not lying about not choosing Power Negation. Therefore your theory has to be wrong if everyone else is also telling the truth about that and I see no reason at present, to think otherwise.In post 5265, Sando wrote:
This is just wrong and shows a clear lack of understanding of what happened D2. I'll say Nancy first, cause that's just wrong, I don't like some of Nancy's posts because they're surface level game-theory that is borderline scum-biased. Bad game-theory favours scum and thus more likely to come from scum. However I like the rest of Nancy's content so I'm leaning town on the slot overall.In post 5218, MathBlade wrote:Everything underlined makes assumptions about town or scum then bases the read on those assumptions rather than stuff in play.
Regarding Shiro and FA, you're missing what happened D2, which is odd, since you started it:
Math - Who hates FA as leader tonight?
Sando - Me, it's unnecessarily dangerous, I don't think she's scum but here's a scenario where it would make sense for FA to be scum, we should limit our risk
Ank - Nah we can just medium and that scenario is proven/disproven
Ank+Sando+others - Long back and forth about how the powers work and eventually agree it's possible for scum-FA to do what I was suggesting but highly unlikely
EOD happens, Ank dies overnight, Shiro opens with medium on Cerb.
Sando - Hmm medium'd cerb does indeed disprove the theory
I've said consistently that I TR FA and I've also said that stacking powers is dangerous, let alone stacking multiple leaderships, based on reads alone. Independent of the Shiro/Cerb medium thing, I've TRd FA and so has most of the player list. I proposed a scenario that would explain Cerb's death and we also proposed the outcome that would eliminate that as a reasonable scenario. Now that that outcome has come to pass I'm saying that scenario no longer makes any sense.
We're talking about just how powerful power negation is, and the fact that the last doubts some people had of FA are dispelled by mediuming Cerb, and you think I shouldn't read anything alignment based into the fact that Shiro chose medium and used it?**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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What part of "I didn't like Nancy's game theory posts but I think she's town" wasn't clear?In post 5283, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:If you’re seriously scumreading me at all based on my misunderstanding ot “game theory”, I should link you to D6 game on MU to disabuse of any notion of that. You’re absolutely right to townread me because I am town and 1 am not lying about not choosing Power Negation. Therefore your theory has to be wrong if everyone else is also telling the truth about that and I see no reason at present, to think otherwise.-
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i wanna try normal cow milk but ive never had the opportunityIn post 5282, the worst wrote:
I really really like rice milk tooIn post 5280, Nosferatu wrote:ive only had soy milk my whole life until a few months ago when i switched to rice milk
basically I just drink a lot of soy milk for teh nutrition-
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two of my day 1 picks already flipped town and the other 3 are actually not that bad either. Why would you question my effectiveness based on wifom instead of anlyzing what I did directly.In post 5176, Sando wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here. What am I saying is expected vs reality?In post 5174, MathBlade wrote:Take Shiro for example. I can think of reasons scum!Shiro would take FA I can think of all sorts of things scum could do to fuck with me and the rest of town. It feels like you’re starting from “this is how I expect things to be played” instead of “this is reality” what is it telling me.
Risk reduction mostly, if you've ever worked in risk, there's a pretty common matrix (OSHA uses it) of likelihood & outcome. High likelihood and catastrophic outcome are your worst case risks, low likelihood and low outcome are safe to ignore. As much as the likelihood is low, the more eggs you put in one basket the more the outcome becomes more and more catastrophic.In post 5175, MathBlade wrote:I also don’t like how you adamantly townread FA and then go “don’t make town leader”
Why?
I also think it's a reasonable bet that scum have power negation and let FA live/become leader a second time, that gives me significant pause about the effectiveness of an FA leader, even though I don't think it's scum-indicative.False tears bring pain to those around you
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heh... you keep throwing out lines that make me all shifty-eyesIn post 5281, stungun0404 wrote:i actually tend to be lynchbait-y when i’m a vanilla towniespiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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ah, that reminds me of one of the many things i didnt like about stungun's first post - the mention of reading his role
lol the town pm is virtually empty. why even mention that as something you read?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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I'd be super careful with it if you haven't tried it--it's pretty common to develop an intolerance/low tolerance if you're used to non-animal milks. it's also delicious tho.In post 5285, Nosferatu wrote:
i wanna try normal cow milk but ive never had the opportunityIn post 5282, the worst wrote:
I really really like rice milk tooIn post 5280, Nosferatu wrote:ive only had soy milk my whole life until a few months ago when i switched to rice milk
basically I just drink a lot of soy milk for teh nutrition-
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In post 5179, Sando wrote:
Yeah I get your premise, I'm struggling for what it's in relation to, is it all the FA discussion?In post 5177, MathBlade wrote:It’s like the scene from Princess Bride and the poisoning. You’ve made an assumption as to which goblet is poisoned and then started reads from there. When the reality in that scene is both were.
You're missing a very, very crucial detail here: FA was listed, along with Ank, as one of the two leader options last night. Scum decided to kill one of those and presumably could only kill one of those. Both FA and Ank would have 2 powers, equal chance of having BP etc (ignoring the idea that Ank crumbed use of medium). So it's not unreasonable to assume scum used power negation to ensure the kill went through.In post 5177, MathBlade wrote:Assume scum have power negation.
This means that they can stop a power from acting.
This doesn’t all of a sudden make FA a bad leader choice if she is town. It means they may be able to kill her if she is town.
Now if you assume that scum could kill anyone replace FA with Sando. You’d be arguing you’re own ineffectiveness as leader. Unless there is a unique quality that applies to FA there is no point in that post.
If that's true (and I think it's the most likely option, but by no means guaranteed), they decided it was better to leave FA alive than Ank as leader. That tells me they cared enough about the leader to kill one of the options, and they preferred FA to Ank.
If my townreads are wrong help me with them instead of calling me a bad leader. I also have a list that I must submit today.In post 5040, Frozen Angel wrote:a- they didn't have power negation
b- they didn't want to use it
c- they thought ank might be using another ability not bp or the phasing so she would be a safe kill
d- they just wanted her dead more than me cause she had a great read on someone somewhere and I'm just useless in comparision.False tears bring pain to those around you
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I was thinking about picking some trustable players who will heal other players or bp themself so we see if scum puts itself with a possible power negation use or will go elsewhereIn post 5192, zMuffinMan wrote:oh yeah that reminds me
going to reiterate this every day until this day phase ends
fa should not pick anyone for the superhero team tonight with these shit powers on board
because man those powers largely suck in terms of town utility vs scum utility (outside of healing touch and arguably impenetrable skin) and im pretty sure fa will put scum in her team
at most it should be a relatively small team (2, at most 3) so that any shitty power picks become more obviousFalse tears bring pain to those around you
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idk. i didn’t know what angle this pressure has been coming from, so it’s been confusing me, and i think that’s what has put me on the defensive.In post 5287, zMuffinMan wrote:
heh... you keep throwing out lines that make me all shifty-eyesIn post 5281, stungun0404 wrote:i actually tend to be lynchbait-y when i’m a vanilla townie
also, where did i ever say something about my role pm?
all i said was that iso’d my own role before replacing in — i looked at the iso of both nicorobin and brandi and meta’d them to anticipate what i prefered, which was a town role-
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@muffin: You mean this?:In post 3820, stungun0404 wrote:she was the only iso i had gotten too fwiw as well, other than my own role and bbmolla.I bloom in spring?
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yeah i realised after i wrote that that you prob meant you read your predecessor's ISOs (that's not what you actually said though)spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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It's not! It's really really not! Like you should get a calculator and try doing a 2+2 here. I chose both cerb and ank for night 1. They could both have phasing. they could both have bp. yet you're saying a scum me shot cerb knowing that night I might fail in killing him!In post 5214, MathBlade wrote:
Exactly.In post 5212, Sakura Hana wrote:Yeah, as you eliminate the impossible, only the truth remains.
So FA being scum is possible.
Literally anyone barring myself could be.
But instead we are talking mechanics.
Because people are blatantly basing reads on them which is wrong.
Shiro is town because talking with Cerb. << That is not a valid reason
Titus is town because Math confirmed she took precog. << Not a thing
Like if your reads has “X is town because doing Y is stupid/smart or Z is scum because scum would”
For the love of all that is townie throw that away and look at the play.If I'm town no one but me knew cerb was chosen.Scum me would never take this risk of giving power to the person we were killing to redirect the kill to one of my hypothetical scum mates. Unless if you argue scum me had power negation to use night 1!
Also, me taking no action night 1 is confirmed by cerb. Are you questioning my claim that phasing was the best ability I could pick there? So yes I can be scum. but that theory has like 2% chance/validity at this point.False tears bring pain to those around you
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Have you not read the description? PN works on anything. So what you’re saying about PN not being useful against FA, is simply not true. You theory is fallacious on other levels, such as the bolded. In my case, I was also a superhero on N1 and I like what I picked on N1 a helluva lot more, so if I am in this hypothetical situation, I either use the power I picked N1 or the one I picked on N2 - depending on which one I deem to be most useful to town or myself at the time.In post 5270, Sando wrote:
What good points? That he can't see why Ank was killed over FA?In post 5191, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Why not FA? If you weren’t necessarily scumreading the worst, you’d see he made some very good points leading to - what I think is an unlikely conclusion. He understands that it makes absolutely no sense for scum to have killed Ank over FA. His likely mistake is in assuming that FA must be scum because of it. I think scum would have absolutely used Power Negate on FA if they had it. Ank being the kill only makes sense if they didn’t have it.
They both have the same power choices having been powered up twice
They're both widely townread
One has been leader before and one hasn't
There is a slightly more likely chance that Ank picked and will use medium, so if they didn't want to or couldn't use negation then Ank is a better kill target than FA within the group.
But my main point is they killed within the Ank+FA leadership options, when they could have killed anyone else with more safety. The fact that they killed either of them tells me they wanted to influence the leadership picks in some ways, otherwise they'd just ignore it and kill someone easier to kill.
So the question remains, if you're scum and you've decided to shoot at Ank without negating Ank's protection, relying on Ank using Medium,who do you negate(if you have it)? Why is FA a better negate target than anyone else on the list in that case?I think in this scenario FA is a worse pick since she's likely to just be using defensive powers, so negating them isn't particularly useful.
Again, your bad argument is mainly based on confibias. There is no factual basis underlying it. I’m seriously starting to question why you keep pushing this theory and refusing to consider alternate explanations?**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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Both of them are good but almond milk is the best.In post 5280, Nosferatu wrote:ive only had soy milk my whole life until a few months ago when i switched to rice milk**********We just need to tread carefully because if you slip up around her as scum she notices and will tear your spine out and slap you to death with it. (I'm slightly scared of Nancy)~the worst*******Nancy is pretty heavenly ngl~CheekyTeekyNancy-scum feels like a hot knife slicing through butter. Nancy-town feels like a magnifying glass in the sun glaring down at an insect.~Taly-
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meh, i’m loopy with how i state things sometimes. i’ll take full accountabilityIn post 5294, zMuffinMan wrote:yeah i realised after i wrote that that you prob meant you read your predecessor's ISOs (that's not what you actually said though)
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@mathblade: i’m reinvestigating your responses to my earlier pushes against you; i don’t feel i may have gave them enough consideration and i apologize for this. i had some troubles around the time you dished them out in keeping up with the thread, but i won’t let that excuse me, i take full-fledged responsibility-
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Ok you know what? Ignore me and push me for mislycnh in lylo/later in game, My alignment simply doesn't matter for today tonight yes? I will be available for death starting tomorrow alright? We can simply have this discussions about me tomorrow - forward
let me focus on what I must do as leader today and to think about who I want lynched instead of this useless crap.False tears bring pain to those around you
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