micro 816-II: pokemon go (open game) (gambe over)

[stungun0404]

all of nico’s votes: stungun —> aronis (conftown) —> nsg (likely jailkeeper)

what is town about this voting pattern? answer: absolutely nothing. so nicorobin can very well be scum here. did not move off nsg at all last day phase.

@nicorobin: can you please place a vote down somewhere? tia

VOTE: Stungun

responds to voting prompt by voting me, which is scummy. why as town vote the person asking you to vote directly, and rather go for someone you explicitly find scummy.

puts me at l-3. lingers on my vote wagon even as i am put to L-2, which at that point gif and kokichi hop off my wagon, but nico stays on supposedly clinging to her town meta excuse. she finally pops up when aronis starts to scumread her to vote aronis who was classic lynchbait.

responds to creature’s supposed jk and votes nsg, but never moves off her while both creature and profii eventually change vote wagons even while creature claimed he was not jk. she’s just looking for excuses to linger on vote wagons, i don’t like it and it looks very antitown.

also, i don’t like that nico’s only townread was placed on profii, when i asked her about it d1. why profii? his tone apparently? well that’s how i felt about aronis but nico went and led a lynchwagon there on d1 so i don’t want to trust nico here unless she can produce something more substantial.

question is: does nico!scum ever vote for a partner in a game with only one partner? next research topic for sure! if not, then we can fairly safely assume that she’ll flip scum.

[stungun0404]

one last thing

@maria, i’d like to know what prompted you to move off the profii lynchwagon yesterday after saying you would never move off that lynchwagon at the start of the day phase.

that’s it from me for now!

RC.

gonna need more than this! any particular reason rc told you to move off, or reason that he had to look elsewhere?

[stungun0404]

here’s a question: if nicorobin is town, then why has every attempt at a wagon on her so far died down without much discussion when she could be easily utilized for a mislynch option among the active players?

profii + nico is really starting to make a lot of sense here

[MariaR]

here’s a question: if nicorobin is town, then why has every attempt at a wagon on her so far died down without much discussion when she could be easily utilized for a mislynch option among the active players?

profii + nico is really starting to make a lot of sense here

HE'S.
FINALLY.
GETTING.
IT.

[stungun0404]

i feel nico!scum is the best lynch option today. we could perhaps even get profii to join it, meanwhile nico will not join a profii wagon.

kokichi and maria, you guys can join this wagon whenever, but just maybe wait until after nsg pops in?!

if you assume kokichi!town, nico is 100% of the time scum here, and vice versa. why? maria and profii are not partners. besides, look at how difficult both of the last 2 lynchwagons have been to obtain.

this is only explainable by at least one scum not actively helping us with the lynches, because if they were a big force with these town mislynches, we would not have to wait until deadline to get a lynch. town by themselves does not tend to settle on a town mislynch wagon that forms quickly, and if such a thing happened then scum would be actively helping us. given we have not seen that therefore we can conclude at least one scum has been stalling with their voting pattern in some way. thus, one of the players that have been more stubborn with casting votes in a reluctant sort of sense and that has been voteparking on particular players must universally be scum. this means one of kokichi or nico is virtually guaranteed to flip scum. i really think it’s nico right now.


i feel secure enough voting nico right now, and i kinda want this game to end so i can focus more on my college work, so i’m almost to the point where i want to vote nico rn

[Kokichi Oma]

After all those posts on the previous page, it's a bit weird you're so eager to vote Nico here over Profil.

[Kokichi Oma]

Maria/RC do you see a stun and Prof team possible at all?

[Kokichi Oma]

Stun was hard tunneling Prof for a bit but it just dropped off.

[stungun0404]

sure, scum is the 2 most active players remaining in a game where lynches have been super hard to obtain, that makes so much sense!

[stungun0404]

koki, i want you to look at my d1 shouting match with profii at end of d1 and the degree of my tunnel on him before he distracted me and see if you ever think we are partners yourself.

[MariaR]

Maria/RC do you see a stun and Prof team possible at all?

Oh Pro is getting lynched today period dw

[Kokichi Oma]

koki, i want you to look at my d1 shouting match with profii at end of d1 and the degree of my tunnel on him before he distracted me and see if you ever think we are partners yourself.

I've done that with my partner before as scum. We had to be mod warned before (though it was planned)

But, say you're in my position. You see me say how Prof is scum and that we should take awhile before we vote. Then suddenly I start talking about Nico and say "Im tempted to vote nico right now!" would you not in my position be very weary about it?

[Kokichi Oma]

sure, scum is the 2 most active players remaining in a game where lynches have been super hard to obtain, that makes so much sense!

Also I don't see how that makes you less likely to be partners.

[Kokichi Oma]

ftr I think it's likely Prof/Nico but I'm just laying everything on the table here since it's MYLO

[stungun0404]

Spoiler: n

profii? i think there is a higher chance profii flips scum here than aronis

just look at how that vote wagon changed directions quickly

how easy he hopped on

and i had found this earlier in one of his town games, so i will copy it into here:

quoted from pm’s to myself: fun biz!

“profii does not really seem to be townhunting much this game, which is concerning me

Spoiler: a profii town game on d1

town stances

just because I don't proof read and I don't think that's very clear...

Ruby town

SIV scum

the bold bit:

I think that so far, ruby, whilst fairly aggressive about it, has been scum hunting,

so lets just call that town for now.

the SIV vote, whilst 3/10, is an easy way to get yourself on a wagon that potentially has legs... oh look I'm L-1

something weird is going on with me flying up to l-1 - I have no idea how that has even happened, so I'll be voting someone on my wagon I think.

I think this is the worsts town game

And Kokis

So I am thinking Una or Siv will be the scum

Una made some weird posts for Una to be fair but I don’t like SIV either

102 posts in, already 3 town stances.

Usually I can town hunt pretty easily but there is a lack of players towning it up in this game

he claims to be able to usually townhunt pretty easily, and has already taken 3 stances in that game, and yet claims “there is a lack of players towning it up”. why does it seem to me that he is not taking a similar stance in our game?

I’m pretty sure I’ve been criticised in my earliest games for being seen to town hunt more than scum hunt so I find it weird that someone would expect to find a history of me doing it - I kinda assumed site meta is scum hunt or die


Anyway. TW - our only other game I think was the mafia month game where I was scum. Why do you think this is my scum game again? I think this is your paranoia game because town lost that game I mentioned

claims he is a townhunter more than a scumhunter as town

Well I think Mr Otter can be town, that’s good

another stance, and we are only 151 posts in

Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1

Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst

what do you dislike about it profii?
in detail pls

I think I was just baiting to sort you - concluding you are town for now

Kokis town we can do a new wagon now guys

that is 4 players

kinda feel like Performer is too unaware to be scum like their reading comprehension is well thru the floor

I was literally just trying to think of the best way to phrase

“Sometimes players use bizarre logic and appear scummy to me, but they are just town that play in a way I don’t comprehend”

As that + what you said is my thought on performer rn

that is 5 players and we are only 395 posts into the game

i am not a fine lynch

damn that cute dog.

UNVOTE:

we get to a few more pages and i'll actually attempt to put effort in i guess.

I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?

so I feel like maybe i was in tchills lynch pool the whole time,

koki is probably town

and tchil is adding fuel to any passing wagons to see if they go through (i.e. mafia win-con remove any town)

I know that me being really weak but now the wagon has momentum let me see.
Dunn:
ruby / worst / tchil / koki / azurit / Lucky Otter.

now let's just look at some of the prev. wagons at their peaks

profii (5):
Kokichi Oma, the worst, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, SIV36

koki:
maria / profii / performer / SIV / TChill


the dunn wagon is

mostly

TRs, id say luckyotter is one of my stronger town reads maybe

My gut instinct is I don't TR Tchill and he appears on all the wagons, this is making me think 'any lynch will do for scum' sort of vibes. But again, it's quite simple, scum don't give themselves away like that.

sorting wagons and explaining why he cannot quite townread tchill.

urgh

LuckyOtter is like my biggest town read and tchill is my biggest scum read.

someone else can do it

not messing around before night phase where he is killed n1. he is messing around here however

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my instinct is telling me profii is flipping scum here. thus, i heavily favor lynching him. little-to-no townhunting in this game = high chance of him flipping scum. need to investigate his scumgames really quickly, but i am pretty damn sure i want this lynch right now. ARONIS HOWEVER HAS BEEN TOWNHUNTING TO AN EXTENT off memory.
VOTE: Profii

Spoiler: extra reason

further,

What they're saying is that if you were scum there's a lot easier ways to push you and you wouldn't bother going for supplementary details which may end up not being in favor of the narrative you're pushing

But as town you would do the meta analysis

It's not the most rigorous of thinking but it makes sense

i see this now. but this argument definitely isn’t cogent enough to adapt my early stance on him. all of this is attributable to profii-scum too. i’m not thinking he’s someone we should townread right now though, and i tend to be right when i call townreads into question as town, as they typically are scum. so if i’m not following a townread someone puts out, and i call it into question as town, and they can’t back it up with a statement that changes my mind, that players has had a tendency of flipping scum.

suffice it to say, i don’t call that many townreads into serious question.

this is additional reason why we lynch him. my gut instincts here have been extremely accurate of late. i cannot fully townread profii, and have called tr’s of him into question. this has proven remarkably accurate for finding scumplayers in my recent games, even extending to a multiball scum game where i questioned a townread on creature and he was scum. in american presidents mafia, the only townread i questioned was on momrangal. she flipped scum. and this was on d1 before i replaced out of that game. this has been absurdly accurate overall of recent, and i encourage everyone to trust my gut here.

Like that whole one of 3 people are scum lynchpool doesn't really feel likely to come from scum

That's townish, yeah.

explain why please @gif, and not shoshin.

like, i can see how it can be interpreted as that, but want to see if your explanation to see if you have the same idea that i have here

i furthered that question mark here, never got a good answer. i am not relieved

VOTE: Profii

in case that was not clear enough

Spoiler: serious lack of town stances by profii in this game where he has taken a lot of scum stances if you look at his iso

I actually like that page topping post from

Shoshin

there - It’s easy for scum to just throw out whatever narrative they want to try and get people to believe but you’ve gone meta diving to go and find the “right” narrative irrespective of what you find

Have the biggest town badge so far

Stungun seems to be struggling to scum hunt but trying in their own unconventional way

Aronis declaring themselves not scum hunting is a big alarm bell

My gut feeling is Shoshin is politically moving the vote around for buddying to try and split the pack as it were

GIF seems ok but I can’t read RC well so I’m not the authority on that

Whilst inactivity is annoying - if it is scum, I guess it indicates we are not putting scum under pressure thus, but I’ll hear NSG out

I also have Kokis PM explaination in my mind that he got the reject PM which could be a scum sign

So basically everyone could be scum and you don't have any thoughts about who it is?

Well the point of that post was

stun - prob not scum
Aronis - scum read
Shoshin - scum lean (though i later retract that)

Gif - no idea right now but if you held a gun to my head I’ll go town

NSG - whilst lurking is bad, I’ll aboid reading a slot on 2 posts
Koki - scum lean


So 8 players excluding myself, I’ve offered 3 potential scum slots
I’m leaning most strongly towards Aronis


So basically everyone actually is less than half


There are other times where I would call this shade and say you are scummy for it but your meta diving is swaying me towards saying you are someone who has confidence in their convictions and when you believe in something you will lead your wagon rather than sheep someone else’s

If some other players come in with “yes this fits your meta” uncontested I’ll basically lock town you tbh despite me thinking there are flaws in your case - the intentions seem pure

NSG is town

At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.

Like given the wagon I kinda wanna lynch Stun if it was me.

He seems to be getting some firm town reads but I’d question that - as time goes on it seems to be a more and more concerning slot

notice his focus is on discrediting my townreads, although he does not specify which of my townreads he is calling into question. nsg is in his townread pile—my heaviest townread. and shoshin is my others, so exactly what is he discrediting or calling into question here?

GIF feels like someone who is trying to push me because he thinks I’m scum

Stun feels like he is trying to push me because he can get the lynch though at this point

My town flip will hopefully lead you to Stun fairly quickly but idk where 2nd scum is

Whilst Aronis seems scummy, the lynch kinda stalled whereas there seems to be momentum on me and to a degree GIF - could easily be there

I’d expect Koki and NSG to be town

Not sure in creature and Nico


I sort of think it’s best to flip me just so scum don’t know not to kill me tonight as I’m not JK.

so, in 1000 pages, there has been a definite shortage of townreads so far by profii compared to his other towngame.

NSG is town

At least one scum in

{Shoshin / Stungun / Aronis }

Probably Aronis


Hard stance there for you.

why did he make no mention or indication that nsg was town before this post. and he would only KNOW that nsg IS town if he is scum.


that is a damning enough reason to lynch profii here.

i am calling it: profii IS flipping scum. so let’s lynch profii

I would lol if the scum team is Aronis and Stungun

Aronis is coming over like a scums dream rn actually

Someone they can sit back and let the town mislynch with no intervention

Those I know, hello
Those I don't, also hello

VOTE: stungun0404

rvs votes me. my wagon eventually gets to L-2, he lingers on it (10 pages+ past that rvs vote) and tries to paint me as scum

I know I’m unorthodox town but that stungun post looks like cracking under pressure to me

trying to get a mislynch wagon d1 after gif/rc moves off me

meanwhile, a serious lack of town stances, which shoshin proved on page 12 and i myself am finding seriously sketchy out of profii. there is NO lack of scum stances, however, which means he is more likely than not scum given his supposed townhunting reputation as town.

i am calling it: profii IS flipping scum. so let’s lynch profii

I would lol if the scum team is Aronis and Stungun

Aronis is coming over like a scums dream rn actually

Someone they can sit back and let the town mislynch with no intervention

Those I know, hello
Those I don't, also hello

VOTE: stungun0404

rvs votes me. my wagon eventually gets to L-2, he lingers on it (10 pages+ past that rvs vote) and tries to paint me as scum

I know I’m unorthodox town but that stungun post looks like cracking under pressure to me

trying to get a mislynch wagon d1 after gif/rc moves off me

meanwhile, a serious lack of town stances, which shoshin proved on page 12 and i myself am finding seriously sketchy out of profii. there is NO lack of scum stances, however, which means he is more likely than not scum given his supposed townhunting reputation as town.

meant to comment on those aronis posts.

he admits aronis is a “ scumplayers dream” and yet puts him at L2 not long after that

The only good thing about lynching me is you remove a VT claim so it makes it harder for scum tonight but I flip town

i don’t believe you are flipping town


@shoshin, WHY SHOULD ARONIS CLAIM?

GIF HAS CLAIMED, PROFII HAS CLAIMED. DO WE WANT TO OUT THE JAILKEEPER THIS QUICKLY? BAD IDEA

let’s just lynch profii.

vanilla claim = harmless. and i seriously think profii is scum rn

our best move as town is just to lynch profii and let the jailkeeper remain anonymous

NSG IS NOT SCUM

profii is

i’m about to make a hella convincing case. but you guys need to back off nsg. profii is BLATANT SCUM in my point of view. LIKE 100 PERCENT. I HAVE HIM CAUGHT, I JUST NEED TO SHOW YOU GUYS.

we’re lynching scum today. scum is clearly profii here. i cased this yesterday, and felt a few players dismissed my case against him by not engaging with any of it and lynching aronis, and idk why.

we’re not quicklynching for the sake of lack of information, and i will expand on the case in a nutshell later, but VOTE: Profii




@shoshin: we need to talk about how you handled EoD. there was no sense in voting aronis just to have him claim at all. none. that would have benefited scum more than town.

good news @maria: i have my own thread to compose thoughts, so i should be posting less. hopefully that will result in people trusting my reads and cases more, as i only let the most valuable thoughts be known.

Point being because we are in a 1v1 which I suspect you will continue tomorrow- it would be nice if Aronis can flip scum so JK can cop me or you and we can rebuild some trust

Otherwise scum exploit it massively - guarantee you and me alive tomorrow for this very rewson

if i’m possibly the jk, why am i guaranteed to be alive tomorrow?

you can’t guarantee that i will be alive

you are making excuses for us both to be alive tomorrow before tomorrow, this does not have good looks

Sure there is a unlikely possibility that
-you are JK
-you hit the scum kill person or scum target

It’s more likely that scum go “profii vs Stun is lol let’s just kill an inactive”

lol @ me being unlikely to be the jk. looks like you are seriously invested in figuring out who that jk is. scummy

You know your meta fluently

So if you are scum it would apparently be easy for you to go x is my meta but I did y so im town

It has nothing to do with this game tbh


You keep saying thing like that though - it’s like you are playing text book mafia rather than trying to understand why things in this game are happening

does not mean it should be thoroughly discounted like you have done here: that is what scum likes to do. it is beneficial for them to reject something always regarding a player’s playstyle before they even look into it, especially if knowing that player is town.

if it is firmly founded, it absolutely can be the case. see nsg’s meta for a good quality example of this. she has claimed before some of her scum tendencies and in fact they have turned out to be truthful and have gotten her caught after the game where she first admitted to them. in fact, i replaced into a doomed scum slot on my alt that was doomed by her scum meta, and i was in fact scum. so meta should not be thoroughly discounted like this

Point being because we are in a 1v1 which I suspect you will continue tomorrow- it would be nice if Aronis can flip scum so JK can cop me or you and we can rebuild some trust

Otherwise scum exploit it massively - guarantee you and me alive tomorrow for this very rewson

if i’m possibly the jk, why am i guaranteed to be alive tomorrow?

you can’t guarantee that i will be alive

you are making excuses for us both to be alive tomorrow before tomorrow, this does not have good looks

you tell me if you ever think these interactions are ever s vs. s in a game with a jailkeeper that can function as a cop with only one scum with the majority of these being on d1 and a few early d2. remember also that profii vote lingered on me early d1. so you’d have to believe we have been bussing each other from the get-go in that case.

should not even be a question, i wouldn’t buss with that type of power role possibly coming after me after his flip, especially if i am all alone and a townplayer would potentially be cleared in addition.

[profii]

Can you just do an unvote seeing as the tags got a bit messy

_technically_ you are voting me and scum could rush

[profii]

profii, have you ever been mislynched in a town game?

Heh I had to wiki myself - once and that was @ lylo because I was being highly argumentative

[stungun0404]

interesting timing, but...

UNVOTE: Profii

[profii]

i want a kokichi lynch as of rn. i would have probably killed kokichi if i were scum because i would have thought she was the jk just from reading the thread. i took a mental note of that as soon as i saw that

So, just because you thought I was JK why does that automatically mean that mafia thought I was jailkeeper? Also if I was mafia why would I kill shoshin if he was townreading me

Oh wait this is terrible

Shoshin clearly died because she was tunnelling me

Intent to vote koki

[Kokichi Oma]

Why would you vote there? Stun you're acting weird af right now.

[Kokichi Oma]

Intent to vote koki

hahahahahaha

[profii]

interesting timing, but...

UNVOTE: Profii

I’m GMT I always post about this time as I wake up about now and I can catch you dudes still up

[Kokichi Oma]

i want a kokichi lynch as of rn. i would have probably killed kokichi if i were scum because i would have thought she was the jk just from reading the thread. i took a mental note of that as soon as i saw that

So, just because you thought I was JK why does that automatically mean that mafia thought I was jailkeeper? Also if I was mafia why would I kill shoshin if he was townreading me

Oh wait this is terrible

Shoshin clearly died because she was tunnelling me

Intent to vote koki

For the record. you just misrepped this entire post which is why i'm laughing

[stungun0404]

Why would you vote there? Stun you're acting weird af right now.

that was a messed up quote. read everything that’s there and you will see that

[stungun0404]

i was quote a ton of my posts and the fact that another involved a spoiler messed up the tags