Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

[profii]

VOTE: ManateeDude

Gutscum

Oh dear

[profii]

How come

[profii]

Dunno him

[profii]

VOTE: Saudade

Serious vote

[profii]

I'm inclined to vote whoever didnt post yet as these people annoy me the most

Missed this

UNVOTE:

[profii]

@Krazy
@Doughboy

Analyse Naomi ?

[profii]

@Krazy
@Doughboy

Analyse Naomi ?

... You have said a total of 15 words this entire game.

VOTE: profii

Start contributing

good observation

[profii]

I have half a mind to confirm your theory

*facepalm*

Okay... so the only way to 'confirm my theory' would been to claim cop or gunsmith, Which if I'm reading that correctly you just did despite my repeated warnings not to. So... I revealed 3 of our PR's to reds on the first day... without trying to on the first account and after explicitly and clearly asking people not to on the second account..

check meta

[profii]

If you was red I think the train on me would of been vastly bigger by now, but it seems that everyone is just keeping out of it as its too risky of a maneuver

operative sentence

[profii]

For the record Krazy now said his “joke” was an attempt to teach me how to use my role of being a neighbor.

like breadcrumbing?

[profii]

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

[profii]

Lovely IIOA

[profii]

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

well hello

[profii]

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

also nothing!

[profii]

Claiming PR in the beginning of day one is anti town

Neighbours.... debateable

[profii]

Scum lurking ?

[profii]

I have half a mind to confirm your theory

*facepalm*

Okay... so the only way to 'confirm my theory' would been to claim cop or gunsmith, Which if I'm reading that correctly you just did despite my repeated warnings not to. So... I revealed 3 of our PR's to reds on the first day... without trying to on the first account and after explicitly and clearly asking people not to on the second account..

I have an annoying playstyle. it’s very possible I’m just a 1 shot BP.

Typical Flavor :p

[profii]

as to my previous statement
VOTE: FrankJaeger
congratulations

Flavor read @ Frank's iso
tell me what you think there

Good call

[profii]

Scum lurking ?

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

I’d like a little more here, I feel. I’m in catchup mode right now.

Getting to the most current posts now.

avoiding contributing

[profii]

How come

I just want to shake him a bit. Manatee is difficult to read because he's scummy as both town and scum.

Can you explain this a little more?

1)He doesnt explain how "shaking him a bit" would help differentiate townmanatee vs scummanatee.

2) how is it particularly useful here, when by his words, "hes scummy as both town and scum"?

I would just like an elaboration.

@Saudade

How was the statement clear? Im not saying it was necessarily scummy, but it left alot to be desired.

what it seemed obvious to me is that he's voted his fellow man in order to get him to express himself more, because the player is known (to him) to exhibit scum traits as either alignment so he would need extra info/data from him through self expression to make a more accurate decision on whether hes scum or town.

This...doesnt explain anything.

Absolutely does!!!

Doughboi, flavor flav town pile.

Krazy too I guess just for the neighbor thing.

W K!

so nobody else is going to vote Krazy?

Can somebody explain why town Krazy asks that as his first game related question? He could have literally asked anything else. What am I missing?

Hes a neighbor, which im guessing has a higher chance if being town?.

Not really alot of content to go from, and I feel unless he does more to look scummy, its smarter to focus elsewhere.
I understand your perspective, if that helps lol.

Alarm bells!

Why does him being neighbor make him a higher chance of being town? My experience with neighbors is there is always one scum. Though I’m used to 3 people. Like why not just do masons if we are both town? This is a normal game right? I feel like neighbors with both town is kindness of trickery.

Anyways. I’ll leave my vote on him for now. I don’t see much from him in the game so far. At best he’s null

No I agree, but at least 1 of you is town, and im staying away from it.
I actually thought about the mason thing, and i think it hints there may be other neighborhoods.

But i suck at set up spec and generally try to stay away from that too.

TMI?

[profii]

So far I think that you and Naomi just had a miscommunication, she misunderstood your interaction with me.
I could be wrong but she didn't ping me so far

This is my take on that too.

conflict = townier...

Scum lurking ?

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

I’d like a little more here, I feel. I’m in catchup mode right now.

Getting to the most current posts now.

avoiding contributing

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

I'm sure you have a reason for saying that this is the scummiest post, but I'd like to know what it is. I don't see how this can be construed as alignment indicative either way.

clues above

[profii]

new wincon gained: outlive everyone who posts without saying hi to me
{Frank, Manatee, Crimson} and maybe Krazy

Hi there

[profii]

I bet Krazy is scum this time

Ding ding

[profii]

Hopefully Flavor....

[profii]

Seemingly presumptuous

[profii]

@Sashaddin: Can you explain your reasoning behind putting profii as green? His vote on me is for not creating conflict and for not going after people, yet he has also said very little.
Then there is this:

I bet Krazy is scum this time

Ding ding

in the context of voting me. He has Krazy down as scum but leaves his vote on me. When profii posted this, my vote was on Krazy.
@profii: Does that mean that you have Krazy and I down as scum team?

ding ding!

So far I think that you and Naomi just had a miscommunication, she misunderstood your interaction with me.
I could be wrong but she didn't ping me so far

This is my take on that too.

conflict = townier...

Conflict for conflict's sake isn't pro-town. Flavor and Naomi went after each other across multiple back and forth posts. I think both of them are town, and I didn't want them to waste more time attacking each other when there are 11 other players in the game.

I like Post #315 and Post #321. I won't green Krazy based on these posts, but it's enough to unvote.

UNVOTE: Krazy
VOTE: profii

#315 = horrendous.

[profii]

I won't green Krazy based on these posts, but it's enough to unvote.

UNVOTE: Krazy

[profii]

The townread on me with no evidence is more suggestive of his early game pattern of prioritizing townreads over scumreads. While he has scumreads now, he starts off with a more quick townreads which actually strikes me as a touch scummy.

weird scumread

[profii]

I'm at Frank + any lurker who doesn't contribute so far

same here...

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

well hello

Scum lurking ?

[profii]

sorting lurkers.

[profii]

Sorry, I can't read and post frequently due to responsibilities. Reading ISOs now and forming reads.

Reads please

[profii]

Also can we post walls with TL;DR sections instead of posting multiple one-liners?

Nice meme

Post more >:[

[profii]

And btw what i'm trying to do with Mana is not some super complicated or elaborated plan, it's very simple really.

Saudade is making a big deal out of a single post. I'd be nice to get some clarification from Rocky on his read tho but i want to see more from them before i can judge.

Plan results???

[profii]

*hyperventilates*
I'm actually thinking profii is town

pedit:

S

uper

C

urved

U

way-from

M

urder

Shock horror

[profii]

New style

[profii]

ftr a large theme has been kinda like an albatross around my neck recently (was town in LyLo ) and it just ended. so I have a bit more. Energy to spread around now.

re-read prompt...

I’m not pushing Saudade as scum. In fact, if you want to look at my other posts, you can clearly see I was trying to work WITH Saudade about the people who were voting him after me. Saudade is an early town read for me right now.

legit imo

VOTE: Saudade

Serious vote

I dislike this on principal.

You have a serious vote for someone but give no context or reasoning behind this. how are we meant to iso and get reads on you if you won't give your reasoning and express your idea's

potential posture

[profii]

FL what was your angle with Saudade at game start? :0

I’m not pushing Saudade as scum. In fact, if you want to look at my other posts, you can clearly see I was trying to work WITH Saudade about the people who were voting him after me. Saudade is an early town read for me right now.

legit imo

seen that

[profii]

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

fake involvement

[profii]

what convinces you that I'm scummier than Krazy?

bit presumptuous

[profii]

what convinces you that I'm scummier than Krazy?

bit presumptuous

Your vote is on me and not on Krazy. It's a reasonable assumption for me to think that you find me the scummier of your proposed scum team. (Unless your response means that you just think that I'm a bit presumptuous in general. That's the problem with only posting several word responses. It isn't easy to tell what you fully mean.)

This is town

[profii]

Profi, whats with the one liners?

Well I ...

[profii]

Profi, whats with the one liners?

Well I ...

He always uses two words, every time. This game is fun.

Ding ding!

[profii]

One abbreviation

[profii]

what convinces you that I'm scummier than Krazy?

bit presumptuous

Your vote is on me and not on Krazy. It's a reasonable assumption for me to think that you find me the scummier of your proposed scum team. (Unless your response means that you just think that I'm a bit presumptuous in general. That's the problem with only posting several word responses. It isn't easy to tell what you fully mean.)

This is town

Failed here

[profii]

You know I actually had that post restriction once. "Mostly Mute Monk" was the name of the role. I thought it was cute at the time, but in retrospect that is the game I remember least from my pre-site-flake. I can't remember who I was playing against or like anything about it. I think it was harder to get engaged to the game because of the restriction honestly. But YMMV

Role fishing

[profii]

What gap?

[profii]

And btw what i'm trying to do with Mana is not some super complicated or elaborated plan, it's very simple really.

Saudade is making a big deal out of a single post. I'd be nice to get some clarification from Rocky on his read tho but i want to see more from them before i can judge.

Plan results???

I mostly wanted to take him out of his confort zone and force him to pay attention to the thread to give some early opinions. Yeah he's scummy no matter what but that doesn't mean that everything he does can be explained like that, town is going to be honest about their opinions while scum will fake them and by asking questions and going deeper i wanted to find something AI. However he hasn't really posted much and so far i really wouldn't mind him being a PL.

Manatee please post opinions or something, something town can work with.

fence sitty

[profii]

I guess right now i'm scumleaning on Mana just because of that lack of reaction but he hasn't done anything to completely convince me he's scum.

oh ok

[profii]

305.

What's your read of Frank?

Alright fair enough.

I could see Frank being Manatee's scumbuddy judging from earlier posts.

Dont really like Sauds reaction to votes, and I haven't exactly been getting town vibes from him anyway.
VOTE: Saud

This vote also comes seemingly out of nowhere because he never explains how Saudade had already been scummy before his reaction to the vote.

I wasn't saying that Saud's play wasn't questionable (he's probably town this game but I get why some people don't like his style), I was saying "if anyone disagrees say so" strikes me as a scummy way to push your read. If anyone disagrees they will say so. Asking for them to disagree makes it seem to me like you're worried Sau actually flips green and you want to be talked out of your push while seeming active. Your push on Sau reads more like "I want to look busy" than "I want to lynch scum."

Yea he literally threatened to run up a wagon on the next person to vote him. Scummy claim in itself. But that doesnt seem like a spot to go to "look busy". Looking busy entails not actually being busy. Its obvious me voting him wasn't going to afford me any sort of coasting.

That also goes to you calling him an "easy push". I still dont quite know whayt you meant by that.

He also twisted Saudade's words here. He said that he'd run a wagon on the next person to vote WITHOUT EXPLAINING.

Yeah could definitely see him being scum.

Good point

Spoiler: for reference

I wasn't saying that Saud's play wasn't questionable (he's probably town this game but I get why some people don't like his style), I was saying "if anyone disagrees say so" strikes me as a scummy way to push your read. If anyone disagrees they will say so. Asking for them to disagree makes it seem to me like you're worried Sau actually flips green and you want to be talked out of your push while seeming active. Your push on Sau reads more like "I want to look busy" than "I want to lynch scum."

Yea he literally threatened to run up a wagon on the next person to vote him. Scummy claim in itself. But that doesnt seem like a spot to go to "look busy". Looking busy entails not actually being busy. Its obvious me voting him wasn't going to afford me any sort of coasting.

That also goes to you calling him an "easy push". I still dont quite know whayt you meant by that.

why do people insist on misrepresenting what I've said.

What was said, is, THE NEXT PERSON
TO
VOTE
WITHOUT A PROPER EXPLANATION OR GIVE A DECENT RAIN OF TAUGHT IS GETTING VOTED OUT

and voila, here you were a few minutes after.
its like you are scum with itchy hands to get caught.
typical serial killer condition

I didnt even say the next person to vote [ME]

VOTE: Frank

[profii]

He

[Frank]

also twisted Saudade's words here.

VOTE: Frank

VOTE: Frank

remember what I said about voting without an explanation.
Duck is the superior lynch to Frank at the moment.

Interestingly linked.

[profii]

Krazy did you ever explain why you asked Dougboy if he was a PR.

also interested...

Hes a neighbor, which im guessing has a higher chance if being town?

...statistically incorrect

[profii]

{3/13 = 23%} VS {1/2 = 50%}

[profii]

admittedly assuming!

[profii]

People I’d Pl profli

any reason?

[profii]

Lack of scum hunting

Erm, well...

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

Concluded in...

what convinces you that I'm scummier than Krazy?

bit presumptuous

Your vote is on me and not on Krazy. It's a reasonable assumption for me to think that you find me the scummier of your proposed scum team. (Unless your response means that you just think that I'm a bit presumptuous in general. That's the problem with only posting several word responses. It isn't easy to tell what you fully mean.)

This is town

still hunting...

305.

What's your read of Frank?

Alright fair enough.

I could see Frank being Manatee's scumbuddy judging from earlier posts.

Dont really like Sauds reaction to votes, and I haven't exactly been getting town vibes from him anyway.
VOTE: Saud

This vote also comes seemingly out of nowhere because he never explains how Saudade had already been scummy before his reaction to the vote.

I wasn't saying that Saud's play wasn't questionable (he's probably town this game but I get why some people don't like his style), I was saying "if anyone disagrees say so" strikes me as a scummy way to push your read. If anyone disagrees they will say so. Asking for them to disagree makes it seem to me like you're worried Sau actually flips green and you want to be talked out of your push while seeming active. Your push on Sau reads more like "I want to look busy" than "I want to lynch scum."

Yea he literally threatened to run up a wagon on the next person to vote him. Scummy claim in itself. But that doesnt seem like a spot to go to "look busy". Looking busy entails not actually being busy. Its obvious me voting him wasn't going to afford me any sort of coasting.

That also goes to you calling him an "easy push". I still dont quite know whayt you meant by that.

He also twisted Saudade's words here. He said that he'd run a wagon on the next person to vote WITHOUT EXPLAINING.

Yeah could definitely see him being scum.

Good point

Spoiler: for reference

I wasn't saying that Saud's play wasn't questionable (he's probably town this game but I get why some people don't like his style), I was saying "if anyone disagrees say so" strikes me as a scummy way to push your read. If anyone disagrees they will say so. Asking for them to disagree makes it seem to me like you're worried Sau actually flips green and you want to be talked out of your push while seeming active. Your push on Sau reads more like "I want to look busy" than "I want to lynch scum."

Yea he literally threatened to run up a wagon on the next person to vote him. Scummy claim in itself. But that doesnt seem like a spot to go to "look busy". Looking busy entails not actually being busy. Its obvious me voting him wasn't going to afford me any sort of coasting.

That also goes to you calling him an "easy push". I still dont quite know whayt you meant by that.

why do people insist on misrepresenting what I've said.

What was said, is, THE NEXT PERSON
TO
VOTE
WITHOUT A PROPER EXPLANATION OR GIVE A DECENT RAIN OF TAUGHT IS GETTING VOTED OUT

and voila, here you were a few minutes after.
its like you are scum with itchy hands to get caught.
typical serial killer condition

I didnt even say the next person to vote [ME]

VOTE: Frank

Considering Frank...

Krazy did you ever explain why you asked Dougboy if he was a PR.

also interested...

Hes a neighbor, which im guessing has a higher chance if being town?

...statistically incorrect

He scummy!

[profii]

Hes a neighbor, which im guessing has a higher chance if being town?

...statistically incorrect

defending neighbourhood

[profii]

My scum reads atm atm/Krazy/
Town is frank,.

Why? Given:

Hes a neighbor, which im guessing has a higher chance if being town?

...statistically incorrect

defending neighbourhood

Potential link ?

[profii]

policy though

[profii]

Why? Given:

Sorry I don’t understand your request. Please explain in detail what you want from me.

interesting

[profii]

chill dude

[profii]

Ok I think that reaction test has run it’s course. I’ll be with y’all later today

[profii]

what convinces you that I'm scummier than Krazy?

bit presumptuous

Your vote is on me and not on Krazy. It's a reasonable assumption for me to think that you find me the scummier of your proposed scum team. (Unless your response means that you just think that I'm a bit presumptuous in general. That's the problem with only posting several word responses. It isn't easy to tell what you fully mean.)

This is town

The 2 post thing was to see if - via a lack of content - anyone would try and put words in my mouth - I said LE was towny because he just said it as it is - but there seems to have been a lot of movement on his slot so I’ll re read the last few pages properly soon

[profii]

Personally I think the optimal play is to deal with the neighbourhood RIGHT NOW

My working theory is 2 hood dudes outed themselves and someone even said “why not masons” I’m assuming a third dude probably posted in the PT “don’t out me yet please” - simple as that

Even then all things considered

3 scum in 13 is a 23% chance of hitting scum today
1 in 3 in the hood is 33% - with the added benefit if we hit scum then we get 1 (poss 2) innos and we keep any kind of protective un-outed so we can hang on to our inno for a while

Personally I think we go for Krazy over Doughboy
Doughboy seemed legit annoyed at me that I wasn’t playing “properly”
Krazy on the other has was straight in the wiki checking for a PR potential in me which seems scummy to me

VOTE: Krazy

[profii]

Also someone said something about multiple hoods (Crimson?)

That seems to me like added wifom... are the hoods 2x2 , was that scum lining up a future role claim ? Etc

Whilst we have 13 people - let’s get it uncovered

[profii]

Yeah but you only said you mod games after I call you on it so how do I know that if you wait for page 25 to say it?

[profii]

@profii: To be clear, after going out of your way to screw with everyone for with a fake post restriction, your big fos at the end of it all is to base your top argument about speculation about a hood that you don't even know how many people are in, with the completely false reasoning that there's always scum in a three person hood... seems like your reaction test worked well there champ, good job.

Lol Chill

It has almost nothing to do with my reaction test - I’ve been trying to steer people that way with posting the percentages and such but I knew it could wait whilst I was doing the 2 word thing


But keep that finger on the pulse, good job champ!

[profii]

this game is 25 pages long and you didnt notice Krazyis modding a game below?

I use the subscription facility exclusively

[profii]

how is it alignment indicative anyway

Well

“I’m a regular mod so 2 post count shit is just shit and not a PR 100% so move on guys”

Seems a lot more factual and less open to speculation than something such as - 440 where he could have cleared it up way earlier than 567 where he says he knows he rules

[profii]

Someone said they were in the wiki I thought it was you :0

[profii]

The main weird thing from the worst is he never town reads me, it’s confusing

[profii]

it's kinda scaring me too

idk I'm liking what you're pushing and you seemed insanely comfortable with my rep in given our recent history

it actually doesn't feel like normal you but not in a gross way

I think using less words has kept me out of trouble because I always like to play devils advocate rather than be part of any kind of clique / town block vibe haha

Saudade reminds me of BBT in mini normal 2009 - I just can’t remeber weather his day 1 tunnel was correct or not... checked... was wrong - although a slight difference - I thought BBT was scum in 2009 on day 1 and I’m town reading Sau

Interesting you mention Tchill - someone in this game made a similar comment which locked me on to him - Tchill said he just wanted to get past day 1 - that’s something I need to go dig out and asses later

[profii]

It’s just IioA

Every time I dip into Light Ethos to try and get the gist of his walls I get this impression and give up I have to be honest


If LE could make some bullet point key thoughts it would probably be good

[profii]

Its totally clear from Krazys section about me that we have miscommunicated - I will clear this up

That was kinda the point of the 2 word thing, to see who put words in my mouth to suit their own agendas and who just let me be. For example, when I said Light Ethos was town, he had the chance to do that but didn’t

I’ll clear up things Krazy said about me and see what he thinks. I’m almost certain we think Wk means something different (I expect I’m wrong because I’m a noob)

Btw im not saying Krazy has put words in my mouth at this point - we will discuss

[profii]

viewtopic.php?p=8877233#p8877233

Also, to all you fellas who think that Krazy’s Pokémon colorful reads can only come from town.

Check out my Day 1 scum colorful reads list I did in this game, and look at the similarities.

Haha that was my inspiration for having a shtick in this game

[profii]

@Krazy - phone posting so excuse not quoting etc, but in response to your read on me
- Saudade - i don’t like his tunnely style rn, it’s NAI, I just don’t like that it comes across later me he won’t consider anything else - could be wrong but otherwise town reading him

- I asked about Naomi because I figured it would be ballsy for scum players to jump straight into confrontation. Didn’t wanna ruin the gimmick though

-maybe I don’t know what WK’ing is - I thought you were softly defending your scum buddy

-I thought you 3 (LE included) were all scummy - I know people don’t like pre flips but idc- I always do it.

- following the theory of scum wouldn’t be ballsy and get into an early 1v1 in the single digit figures of the thread they would probably sit back and see if town are going to lynch themselves - at least 1 of them if not more would. This was aimed at LE - at the time, the post I quoted as “scummiest post” came over a bit IIoA / active lurkery rather than legit not participating (eg parrot) - hence the vote and hence an effort to give the lowest few posters a nudge - surely one will slip if we press.

-I’m very wary about what you are saying about my neighbourhood logic - you quote me as saying there “has” to be scum in the neighbourhood and then you find me saying I was making assumptions? Which is it?
Anyway - my approach - I could be wrong but I can think of 2 scum games of mine where we had a hood dude. One was mafia month where The Worst was adamant I was scum in the hood (I was) but I end gamed and won.
I’m actually amazed The Worst hasn’t picked up on this along with his non-paranoia of me. Anyway to clarify my stance - I would probably go with 2 conclusions.

There is high potential for later wifom over the neighbourhood - so let’s deal with it now. If people aren’t willing to get involved in that, I could potential surmise that TW is hoping I forgot mafia month and also is town reading me to pocket me so I could vote there instead - if that was a scum flip, depending on what TW says about the hood between now and lynch, I’d say we go there next for pressure

[profii]

Ok I just saw TW claimed I need to catch up fully haha

[profii]

Also, I did a skim of Worst’s ISO’s looking to see if he crumbed, and didn’t see anything.

However, scum doesn’t lie about that situation without hard posting it anyways.

Annoying, not scummy.

He did I saw it ages ago

[profii]

sausage i'm telling you i am a bad lynch today. there's 2-3 scum here. if you think one's me, find my partners ;]

This is typically a “I’m a PR or lining up a claim” type deal

[profii]

I don’t like that post by Lighf.

I never urged a vote on Frank. That’s a misrep in the middle there or a mistake.

I’m just reading the LE posts now and he also said I deliberately avoided the active wagons - how he knows that from 2 post style I do not know but interesting

[profii]

Personally I think the optimal play is to deal with the neighbourhood RIGHT NOW

My working theory is 2 hood dudes outed themselves and someone even said “why not masons” I’m assuming a third dude probably posted in the PT “don’t out me yet please” - simple as that

Even then all things considered

3 scum in 13 is a 23% chance of hitting scum today
1 in 3 in the hood is 33% - with the added benefit if we hit scum then we get 1 (poss 2) innos and we keep any kind of protective un-outed so we can hang on to our inno for a while

Personally I think we go for Krazy over Doughboy
Doughboy seemed legit annoyed at me that I wasn’t playing “properly”
Krazy on the other has was straight in the wiki checking for a PR potential in me which seems scummy to me

VOTE: Krazy

given krazy's leg work on manatee I'd rather lynch Manatee over Krazy, He was solely responsible for having me consider his lynch and changed Light ehtos's attitude towards the slot too at least. I think he is more useful that you think and there are better choices for today.

Apparently I’ve missed this... off I go ....

[profii]

Let’s rephrase

Why should I join the active wagons? Why can’t I find scum in my own way ?

[profii]

Personally I think the optimal play is to deal with the neighbourhood RIGHT NOW

My working theory is 2 hood dudes outed themselves and someone even said “why not masons” I’m assuming a third dude probably posted in the PT “don’t out me yet please” - simple as that

Even then all things considered

3 scum in 13 is a 23% chance of hitting scum today
1 in 3 in the hood is 33% - with the added benefit if we hit scum then we get 1 (poss 2) innos and we keep any kind of protective un-outed so we can hang on to our inno for a while

Personally I think we go for Krazy over Doughboy
Doughboy seemed legit annoyed at me that I wasn’t playing “properly”
Krazy on the other has was straight in the wiki checking for a PR potential in me which seems scummy to me

VOTE: Krazy

given krazy's leg work on manatee I'd rather lynch Manatee over Krazy, He was solely responsible for having me consider his lynch and changed Light ehtos's attitude towards the slot too at least. I think he is more useful that you think and there are better choices for today.

Apparently I’ve missed this... off I go ....

You have a point - I like the manatee case.

[profii]

So much so it’s the way to go

VOTE: Manatee

[profii]

You seemed like the scummiest lurker so I voted there _whilst_ town steeped the scummiest active

You became a bit more active and townie - hurrah - I moved on


Note - I sometimes don’t move my vote quickly it’s not indicative of my read if I haven’t voted for a while

[profii]

Not sure

It’s also notable that

Krazy -> scum reads manatee
Krazy -> town reads FL

FL -> town reads manatee
FL -> last mention of Krazy was pointing out the colourful reads could come from scum, presume scum read


Does what you said or I said mean anything? Not sure - something to note for post flips perhaps I guess

I also note I said the colour reads were my inspiration for my shtick - before someone goes lol scum slip I’ve only just clicked the link and realised it wasn’t that game it was one I wa sin with FL and he posted only colourful read lists for most of day 1 - I think I drove a mislynch or replace out on FL

[profii]

@profil

I don't understand 821 mind explaining whats happening there?

I totally missed the Krazy post with the spoiler tag that cases manatee

[profii]

[profii]

FL do you feel like you are going against the grain right now?>

[profii]

am i being thick

TWs wagon only got up to 4 people?

[profii]

am i being thick

TWs wagon only got up to 4 people?

Yeah, well, 4 too many. Ducky is town, and Krazy setup white knighting there.

why lose your shit about L-3

interesting... to be fair thats what he did when he was caught serial killer in our last game but it was super obvious. hmmm

[profii]

Profii and I are buds, so if he’s scum, he’ll be playing in a way so i wouldn’t be able to see it directly, so i don’t trust any read I have on Profii until a little later. I expect if he was town, he’d feel the same way towards me.

haha

i was going to press the quote button after the first sentence and write "there is no way I'm properly going to sort you today"

[profii]

Doughboy is relatively new to the site which buys him some time with me in terms of all this policy lynch stuff. (eg me for 2 word posts and now this lurking stuff)

But, that time will run out sooner on the basis he claims to have mafia experience elsewhere (eg aware of negative utility and knowledge of chainsawing is more than youll see in the newbie queue) and should know the ropes at least a bit.

I'm going to click on his ISO and see how much scum hunting is in there, or how much of it is just policy stuff...clicking now...

Here is the progression:

. Every single vote never comes with any sort of analysis as to why that player might be scum. The Saudade stuff is all based on Saudade's hard drive on TW - which isn't alignment indicative albeit i get that it's abrasive

The Krazy vote really irks me, doughboy seems adamant that the hood could have scum in it, but has only played 1 game on this site and claims not to be an alt.

When that doesn't get any traction, he goes back to Saudade, given a read of the ISO, this seems like it could be scum not sure where else to vote when he realises that his Krazy push fell over.

The manatee vote was pretty naked and just seems to be part of getting a lynch through

again, same with TW - but seems to know TW likes to fake claim, despite TW not being in his 1 other game - i get people like to meta dive but this hasn't been mentioned...

Then, post claim, back to manatee- again as per the Saudade 2nd vote - a safe place to lay the vote when you know a claimed PR is a bad place to be.





right

VOTE: doughboy

[profii]

rn i think you're town FL but i am watching you so closely because if you dupe me ill be so mad.

[profii]

also im pretty mad rn that doughboy replaced out as i wanted a good wagon there, i think my case is pretty cool you should all read it

[profii]

Thoughts on Sasha?

seems to be softly defending people i find scummy, i am trying not to pre-flip but i feel like this could be inexperienced scum trying to send people away from scum wagons and being a bit obvious about it... i didnt even see his wagon i would have been so on that

[profii]

My experience with neighbors is there is always one scum

yeah but

[profii]

oh wait im not doing the 2 post thing anymore

[profii]

i still think its a good idea to remove that wifom rn to be fair.

i also assume there is a 3rd neighbour

[profii]

i also just went to check - day talk is on - if i was sashaddin's buddy, i'd be saying stop defending all the scum. It seems so coincidental that you'd expect some mentoring to happen if he was really scum

[profii]

i also just went to check - day talk is on - if i was sashaddin's buddy, i'd be saying stop defending all the scum. It seems so coincidental that you'd expect some mentoring to happen if he was really scum

On my part? I always expect coaching. For all i know Krazy was saying stuff, and then Sasha tried acting on it, and got a little bit caught out because of it. Not saying that happened, but I could see it.

I’m unsure what you mean here.

no - ive thought sash has been chainsawing on multiple occasions with multiple players - if my reads were amazing (they're not) then id expect one of the scum dudes to go 'erm sash, stop defending us all, if you get flipped red we are all dead'

etc

[profii]

i still think its a good idea to remove that wifom rn to be fair.

i also assume there is a 3rd neighbour

How do you do that without knowing the full neighborhood?

Thought it was implied but I mis read - dough said “I’m used to 3”

So I guess it’s 2


Hmmm

[profii]

It’s Krazy and Doughboy in the hood as far as claims go

[profii]

I suppose it's too much to ask for you to claim before you replace out

U mad bro

[profii]

Well was meant to do this ealier today, but here we go, another round of me spamming theorising ect.

You can't have it both ways, Naomi. Either I am scum or Crimson and Manatee are scum. There isn't a plausible world in which all three of us are scum.

Prove it.

Sure. Flip me green now.
VOTE: Light Ethos

k

VOTE: light ethos

[profii]

Well was meant to do this ealier today, but here we go, another round of me spamming theorising ect.

You can't have it both ways, Naomi. Either I am scum or Crimson and Manatee are scum. There isn't a plausible world in which all three of us are scum.

Prove it.

Sure. Flip me green now.
VOTE: Light Ethos

k

VOTE: light ethos

What convinced you to hammer? It took two minutes...!

u wot m8

[profii]

Doughboy is relatively new to the site which buys him some time with me in terms of all this policy lynch stuff. (eg me for 2 word posts and now this lurking stuff)

But, that time will run out sooner on the basis he claims to have mafia experience elsewhere (eg aware of negative utility and knowledge of chainsawing is more than youll see in the newbie queue) and should know the ropes at least a bit.

I'm going to click on his ISO and see how much scum hunting is in there, or how much of it is just policy stuff...clicking now...

Here is the progression:

. Every single vote never comes with any sort of analysis as to why that player might be scum. The Saudade stuff is all based on Saudade's hard drive on TW - which isn't alignment indicative albeit i get that it's abrasive

The Krazy vote really irks me, doughboy seems adamant that the hood could have scum in it, but has only played 1 game on this site and claims not to be an alt.

When that doesn't get any traction, he goes back to Saudade, given a read of the ISO, this seems like it could be scum not sure where else to vote when he realises that his Krazy push fell over.

The manatee vote was pretty naked and just seems to be part of getting a lynch through

again, same with TW - but seems to know TW likes to fake claim, despite TW not being in his 1 other game - i get people like to meta dive but this hasn't been mentioned...

Then, post claim, back to manatee- again as per the Saudade 2nd vote - a safe place to lay the vote when you know a claimed PR is a bad place to be.





right

VOTE: doughboy

I like this post.

I felt it was quite awesome too

[profii]

I placed that vote and thought it’d be proper lol if I hammered then - checked - only saw 3 votes then saw 1037 and thought it was some scummy as cluck reaction test

[profii]

Sasha hasn't had to do anything this game, and you've given him a stamp of approval.

Take it as a compliment - you seem to know where you want to go in the game - it’s fairly obvious Sasha needs a bit of a hand but that doesn’t infer trust

I think Naomi is just legit nice and considerate about this - rather than giving Sasha a hard time over it

[profii]

What day talk? It’s in the rules

[profii]

Nah I pointed out I mis read someone saying exactly the opposite - I think you’re catching up you’ll see that post soon, hopefully I quoted it because I can’t be bothered to find it again

[profii]

i still think its a good idea to remove that wifom rn to be fair.

i also assume there is a 3rd neighbour

How do you do that without knowing the full neighborhood?

Thought it was implied but I mis read - dough said “I’m used to 3”

So I guess it’s 2


Hmmm

Kapow

[profii]

LE are you scum reading TW rn?

[profii]

I’m thinking green rn for other reasons

[profii]

I'm not a VT, but my role is only as valuable as the trust I have in the game.

Don’t confirm or deny this

This is more for everyone else

Figured this was a vig claim so was expecting you to scum read TW on the basis that a gun smith is likely here to give scum a chance to catch you as you would be a threat to them

But if you’re not scum reading TWs claim on that basis I guess I’m wrong


Again don’t worry about replying to that - don’t really want to out whatever you are rn

[profii]

LE what do you make of Flavor Leaf

[profii]

LE what do you make of Flavor Leaf

I think he's town. He's right to say that his defense of Manatee is hard to justify as scum. I gave some possible reasons why he would do it as scum, but I don't think they're high likelihood. I think he has a lot of faith in his reads.

How come your main read on FL is based on his manatee thing when he had a significant interaction with Naomi who you feel rather strongly about

I’d expect you to at least mention that somehow

[profii]

Why wouldn’t you go back and look for scum clues in Naomi vs FL to help you convince us all you’re right

[profii]

Eh don’t mistake noisy players for the most right or most respected

[profii]

idk I can see why people would think you seem to be able to hold your own and sash would appreciate the helping hand

[profii]

Who self votes and honestly expects it to go as far as a lynch, especially as like 2nd on the wagon or whatever silliness that was

[profii]

Who self votes and honestly expects it to go as far as a lynch, especially as like 2nd on the wagon or whatever silliness that was

I bet I can self vote and go afk for the rest of the day and not get lynched

Me too let’s have a suicide pact

[profii]

Can you name names on people who are following Naomi’s case on you

[profii]

Can you name names on people who are following Naomi’s case on you

the worst and Sashaddin absolutely are following the case. Manatee did before he flaked. Flavor Leaf said it was good.

Duck what do you think about Sasha flipping scum

improbable unless his scumgame has suddenly developed a lOT

thats good
since i think you scum that only reinforces the idea that sasha is scum since you dont agree that shes scum

Yep

[profii]

Idk how I quoted that LE post but that’s handy as I wish to talk about it

- consider how Saudade was pushing TW earlier in the day, let’s call that a 10/10 push full effort on wanting TW to get rope today
I don’t consider any of the names you listed anywhere near 10/10 pushes.

Anyway, I’m not convinced you’re scum so this is a waste of time....

[profii]

Can you name names on people who are following Naomi’s case on you

the worst and Sashaddin absolutely are following the case. Manatee did before he flaked. Flavor Leaf said it was good.

Duck what do you think about Sasha flipping scum

improbable unless his scumgame has suddenly developed a lOT

thats good
since i think you scum that only reinforces the idea that sasha is scum since you dont agree that shes scum

Yep

back to this

I don’t like TW not scum reading me or the claim
I don’t see how golf ball can be having a goodnscum game because it seems too obvious

If we flip either of you red, the other plus Krazy are in trouble. If we flip you green, I don’t like n1 bugs, but I’d struggle not to vig Saudade tonight

[profii]

what are you talking about profii

You quite clearly wanted TW lynched and were just point blank wanting people to do it

I don’t think Le is under even half as much pressure, but he keeps insisting he is. It’s weird

[profii]

I'm what now

[profii]

So we’re lynching off of that Manatee wagon

Krazy, Doughboy, TW, Profii, Sasha.

TW/Doughboy for reasons shouldn’t be on the table for today.

I don’t really have a strong lean for Profii either way.

Krazy/Sasha it is, then.

Krazy should definitely be the one, though.

Have you cross referenced this with people that voted TW?

[profii]

annoyingly af I feel like the ucv slot has reasonable chance of being town

Why?!

[profii]

He didn’t do anything AI so I ask again

Why?!

[profii]

So posting demented fluff is his town game but barely posting after getting upset about a self vote is also his town game?

Eh?

[profii]

I’ll read later

[profii]

Add Sasha while you’re there

[profii]

Because...

[profii]

Oh hey gaiz, re: Worst's claim of Gunsmith, can you please link me to that so I can at least read it? TIA. xoxxoxox.

Did you find this and make anything of it

[profii]

I wanna just lynch it tbh

[profii]

I agree with your point that what I called a crumb was more what you described it as rather than a “real crumb”

For example TW knows a game where I was a weak fruit vendor with mod declared no cops I stated “Imma cop you >=[“ at someone I know was scum so that they would get lynched - that’s a crumb... more of a bread slice tbh

But I don’t like that the suggestion of “I’m a power role” and the claim came in at L-3 or something ridic

[profii]

I like your energy but we do have 5 days not 1.

Tbh 5 is a better time to start honing in on something rather than 1 when 13 players alive and so many are inactive

[profii]

Fuck me I went to read the last page and you made 3 posts give us a min...

[profii]

UC Voyager - if we had to but policy
Krazy - would lynch
Crimson97 - I need to catch up and check the cases on Crimson but he’s not in my “keep this person alive pile”
FrankJaeger - if we had to but it’s a bit policy
Sashaddin - I’ll have a microsecond of feeling bad if Sash flips town but I think he could be scum
The Worst - would like to flip TW but if Saudade is going to quote the mafia textbook for the rest of the day, let him do it and we can call it chainsawing later if TW flips scum - there is no reason to not remove caught scum but whatever, let’s catch 2 later

[profii]

1 you are right my Krazy read is probably wrong because it’s from way early when I was still sorting LE at the same time and he is town.

2 yeah Creature is possible - I was leaving him for later tbh

[profii]

VOTE: Crimson

I think that’s the best way to go rn

[profii]

Ya but I guess Frank being a lurker gives priority to Crimson... :/

The problem is at what point do you say “we just let this lurker who could be scum keep on surviving”

At least an active player will probably clear themselves up



Oh and if we are not doing TW - he is doing one of the lurkers - I know he knows how to be pro town in his night actions so if he goes away what we want him to do he gets rope

[profii]

Green: Flavor Leaf, Light Ethos, Naomi-San, Profii, Crimson97, Mister Rogers

Null: Saudade, The Worst, Krazy,

Red: No one yet. Tight game.

No idea: Creature, Frank, UCVoyager

So I would lynch any of my null read at the moment, since they are my scummier reads than my town reads. I have no objection to lynch a lurker either.

You have no scum at all so start by telling us why those nulls are less towny than your greens

[profii]

I see saudades point though to be fair - still wanna do it but why not let him stick a result in or 2 - we might get some innos on the off chance we are way wrong

[profii]

Sashaddin

One of your clearest scum reads early on was Manatee - then you move Creature to don’t know. What has Creature done to make that slot less scummy?

[profii]

Well it’s up to you how you deal with the replace I guess - there isn’t really a right or wrong answer there

If I held a gun to your head and said give me your read on Creature and you’re not allowed to say Null what would you say?

[profii]

Interesting interesting !

Would you say you have spotted similar behaviours from when you played scum!manatee in Newbie 1879 or is it something else?

Either way - what is it that makes you lean red right now?

[profii]

Stop beating around the bush and vote him
vote Sash
I dont give a flying fuck that he's a cute little newbie
vote
him
out
give him the fucking rope

Shh a minute and let him answer why don’t you

[profii]

Sash remained relatively composed when I highlighted that I went and spotted he has played in a newbie game where sash was town and manatee was red, there is day talk though so coaching I guess

Also - in Sashs other games he was able to form reads early doors so that is a concern - I know he makes the point about stepping up from the newbie games to the normals being a bit tough, however 70 pages in he must have seen something more than he’s giving us

Not off the hook but Crimson is better rn

[profii]

mod

I’m voting Crimson

1690

I think we need to wagon the suspects a bit to see if anyone really objects - seems like there are a lot of people going “yeah the lynch pool is aiiight” but there doesn’t feel like any commitment

[profii]

mod

I’m voting Crimson

1690

I think we need to wagon the suspects a bit to see if anyone really objects - seems like there are a lot of people going “yeah the lynch pool is aiiight” but there doesn’t feel like any commitment

Hi, I'm feeling motivated.

What is the lynchpool rn?

Just put your vote somewhere sensible I’m sure you’ll be fine

[profii]

Krazy and Crimson are scum

There is this but no rationale

[profii]

If Sash doesn't get lynched today it's only because he played the "oh im a cute newbie please coach me guys" card and ya'll fell right into it

Beyond everything I'd like to point out The Worst has lost all interest in the game and is not posting here anymore for quite some time =]
probably caught scum

Agreeing with both of these

[profii]

If Sash doesn't get lynched today it's only because he played the "oh im a cute newbie please coach me guys" card and ya'll fell right into it

Beyond everything I'd like to point out The Worst has lost all interest in the game and is not posting here anymore for quite some time =]
probably caught scum

Agreeing with both of these

are you voting Sash?

Nope - let’s see what comes of the first proper wagon we’ve had for a while first - TWs doesn’t even count

[profii]

Anyway I don’t think you’ve said much about Crimson - what do you think of this wagon - I don’t care if you think Sash is better rn btw

[profii]

Creature looks like

Krazy - Gamma - sash

Crimson looks like

Naomi - me - LE - Creature



I’ve added me on as I mentioned the vc correction - could be that someone else is on as I don’t think that is L-2 (you moved to Krazy after last Vc)




Assuming last vc correct

[profii]

No ones really pushing back against this Crimson wagon in any major way. He’s not in prod territory yet but he could do with checking in

Didn’t realise TW was posting else where. Tsk

[profii]

He went pretty mad as a caught SK when it came down to trying to win in the last game I played with him

[profii]

I don't even know, I'm too busy dealing with stupid townies and Frank has been missing for weeks so I have basically nothing to work with there. Maybe Frank, maybe not. Definitely Creature.

I'm somewhere like:
Town: Gamma, Naomi, LE, Saudade, FL, Rogers
Probably town but MIA which bugs me cause he's posting in another game: Duck
Probably not scum with Creature: Crimson
Who the fuck knows: Sasha, Profii
Maybe scum: Frank
Scum: Creature

So, one of LE/Saude, then one of Profii/Crimson is scum with you.

Got it.

So, one of LE/Saude, then one of Profii/Crimson is scum with you.

Can you be more transparent about how you came to these conclusions? Mostly the second one

my guess is he is working on the principle that any given scum player will likely town read 1 mate and scum read the other

Which means he is PoE’ing Krazys town reads to people he thinks could be scum - you and Saudade

Then also the same for the non town reads - me and Crimson

Which means Fl is inferring he town reads anyone mentioned by Krazy outside of us 4


So the next thing to do is ISO dive FL to see if this marries up with his reads he has given so far - I suspect he is more than capable of not slipping in this way but I don’t recall being a particular scum read of FLs so I’m surprised not to be PoEd out of the equation and I might go have a little look at that

[profii]

When the game started I had only a couple of players I’ve played with prior (FL, I know well, LE, one game?)

Then TW & Gamma came in who I’ve played with

Interestingly - I typically get very scum read frequently but I note I don’t know too many players and I did a gimmick so maybe that’s it

But also - FL has been dancing around me all day and non commital at best with me, he should be able to say more, so I’m FoS with that right now just on meta’y reasons which isn’t cool - he seems towny but there is an air of “just trying to survive” - I don’t really mind though as it’s these sorts of slots that we should cop imo


Also - TW has scum paranoia of me every time he sees me and immediately comes in and town reads me whilst almost no one else would in he gimmick stage of my iso. This struck me as buddying and makes TW my strongest scum read combined with that awful claim. But I get that people don’t want to vote a PR claim rn.


So over the last few pages it was notable to me that Krazy is trying to sort me at a time when we finally have a wagon starting to form. I don’t think Krazy gives a great reason not to vote Crimson 2071
Also trying to sort me in the middle of a wagon could be construed as a way of taking the heat of Crimson

I’m happy with my vote on Crimson for now - whilst Saudade has a case that Golfball cares more about his appearance that’s crimson, I think the difficulty in pushing this wagon to l-1 / intent makes me think scum aren’t helping us rn

[profii]

I saw a lot of “I don’t know” coming out of that tbh

[profii]

Profii thinks its scummy to sort him

u wot m8

It’s probably more accurate to say


I think it’s scummy to introduce an entirely new player into the mix whilst after a very long day 1 we are finally seeming to hone in on some generally accepted scummy slots given we have 8:13 votes on 2 players

[profii]

Mod Notes

Crimson97 has requested replacement. Now seeking.

VOTE: crimson

Mod Notes

Crimson97 has requested replacement. Now seeking.

Mod Notes

Crimson97 has requested to not be replaced and may now resume posting.

Crimson hardclaim now

Crimson hardclaim now

Town Doctor bby

Seems prudent to put these posts together

Krazy is all IDK guys about Crimson but happily jumps on the wagon as soon as he knows no one in their right mind will hammer

Then oh look a doctor claim

[profii]

VOTE: Krazy

[profii]

Vote Krazy with us Saudade, the time has come for us to be together

[profii]

profii if your next post is not a vote on Sasha im voting you

ur a butt

[profii]

But tell me why we should do the Golfball today and not Krazy - that Crimson vote was terrible, Krazy will fight the lynch but you can’t really argue with it and Golfball will surely slip later and be easier

[profii]

[profii]

& what’s the scum motivation for providing us with 2 obvious links on day 1 please

[profii]

But tell me why we should do the Golfball today and not Krazy - that Crimson vote was terrible, Krazy will fight the lynch but you can’t really argue with it and Golfball will surely slip later and be easier

Saudade.......

[profii]

But tell me why we should do the Golfball today and not Krazy - that Crimson vote was terrible, Krazy will fight the lynch but you can’t really argue with it and Golfball will surely slip later and be easier

Saudade.......

iso me and read my case on the golfball im not repeating myself over and over like a broken fucking record

How does your case on Golfball explain that he is a better lynch than Krazy, which is the question I’m asking?

I’m happy to vote TW - I’m happy to vote Crimson, or Krazy, or Golfball

I can’t put my vote in 4 places and I’m obviously wrong about at least 1 of those I would imagine so get your toys and put them back in the pram

[profii]

So is Krazy

[profii]

Ok, so our Mod will have done some of these things:

Some methods of avoiding this trope in setup design (roughly in order of effectiveness) include:

Mafia-side roles that break the interdependence of the Cop and Doctor, such as Roleblocker or a Strongman/piercing kill
Town-side roles that do not allow for the Cop to be invincible, such as making the Cop Macho
Mafia-side roles that allow them to find the Doctor more easily, such as Role Cop or Tracker
Roles that investigate incorrectly, such as Miller and Godfather
Changing the sanity of the Cop (though this is questionable from a balance perspective)

Who cares - don’t make someone slip

[profii]

I’m bored of this long day
Let’s just see if the doc dies over night

VOTE: sash

Willing to move as per that other post subject to wagons but let’s just get 1 scum done

[profii]

I inflated the vote count its L-3 according to my count,

u wot m8

[profii]

Don't tell me you guys have never tried a fake VC to do a fake hammer? Either way L-2 claiming is hella lame.

I am out of suspects here. I have no idea who to vote for the vig. I guess it has to be Creature, there is no other choice?

I've placed a LOL VOTE on a L-1 wagon, which I was already part of, so the obvious net effect was fake hammer.

I'm going to check _exactly_ what happened here because it stinks. I'm not going to throw any accusations out until I've got some evidence though....

[profii]

oh no wait you openly admit you faked a VC.

lynch all liars

VOTE: mister rogers

[profii]

I'm not experienced in the slightest I just act like a confident fucking dick

No one had noticed

[profii]

Don't tell me you guys have never

tried a fake VC to do a fake hammer

? Either way L-2 claiming is hella lame.

I am out of suspects here. I have no idea who to vote for the vig. I guess it has to be Creature, there is no other choice?

Pfffft... I didn't lie. I told the truth. I didn't have to say anything;

everybody miscounts, right?

I can show you a VC in this game where NT did it. If you guys don't know about how to set up fake hammers oh well i guess I can't help you but don't call it LAL because I told the truth. Dewd claimed at L-2 which is failtastic. This is a big deal over literally nothing.

trying to do a fake hammer - intentional

miscounting - unintentional


lynch all liars guys

[profii]

what's the panic?

If you are wholly confident that your actions were legitimate then I am sure the other 11 players will tell me I am mistaken and you are just scum hunting.

It's all good.

[profii]

I'll still refresh time to time, but I'll be less actively posting as I can't form quote walls properly and copy and pasting without a pc is a pain.

If you are really really desperate to play mafia with your favourite mafia buds and your PC has wifi, you could tether it to your mobile.

[profii]

Shoot each other then

[profii]

Profii, i think you’re scum.

Gamma, I have scum vibes on you.


I don’t like this. My Boon Babes are scummy

I know - you’ve been avoiding me for ages

I don’t believe you are vig fwiw. I’m pretty sure you made another soft claim but I can’t be bothered to go find it as I’m a taxi driver rn haha

[profii]

Why are we so failtown with so many claims? OMGOSH I mean its like a scum all-you-can-eat buffet or what??

There is a lot of inactivity so the momentum of people going “gun smith? No way, lynch that shit” coupled with Saudade being quite vocal about”were not lynching a Pr claim”

Net result - lots of claims and no lynches

[profii]

Rogers if im scum who do you think im partnered up with?
The worst? the guy I megatunneled until he ran out of the game?

Why are you encouraging pre flips anyway

If you are scum and TW doesn’t get mod killed at least you innod him for us

[profii]

Can you quote where TW crumbed gun smith

Someone made the point that when he said “I’m a bad lynch today” or however he phrased it, doesn’t exactly count

[profii]

I see vig mentioned twice pre claim and not in a context of “erm guys pretty sure someone’s a vig if you know what I mean” sort of vibe

[profii]

In TWs ISo that should include!

[profii]

I see vig mentioned twice pre claim and not in a context of “erm guys pretty sure someone’s a vig if you know what I mean” sort of vibe

He says X should be the vig shot. How much more confidence in the existence of a vig do you want expressed? It's not like this is an open setup or even semi-open where a vig is explicitly an option on the wiki page, and you don't come into closed normal setups expecting they must (or even likely) to have a Vig role included!

I would say that meaning

“We need to remove this player from the game but we only get 1 lynch a day”

Dunno I would say that to try and direct a vig just on speculation that there may be one, assuming they agree I’m town

[profii]

@profii: You're entitled to see it from your own PoV. I'm just expla9ning why I see tw as a likely town player here (unless.. he's scum with FL).

How do you read Creature so far? (Sorry. haven't ISO'd your slot yet. I don't think I'll do it in the next 12 hours as I'm about to call it a day).

Agree - we just see it differently

I haven’t really made an in depth consensus on Creature in my mind - I always read him wrong

[profii]

aha!

Flavour Leaf - help me sort Saudade

remember this game? viewtopic.php?f=2&t=76139

In my mind, Saudade is "doing a BBT" and just driving his chosen lynch.
In that game, BBT was wrong, but was town.

So I've kinda been sorting this cocky behaviour from Saudade as potentially town but potentially wrong, so whilst I agree with some points there is a risk of just getting it wrong.

Can you see the comparison? How are you sorting Saudade? I need help

[profii]

checked - fl is generally town reading him so I'll go with it. I'm not going to follow Saudade necessarily but I am not going to lynch him

I don't see anything outrageous from Creature or Creature, but I don't sort him well

I feel like my lynch candidates aren't gelling with the town consensus, so I'm either really wrong or really right.

[profii]

creature or gamma that should say

[profii]

nah another user in the game I linked... blue blooded toffee

[profii]

What gives me a lot of problems with this game are the claims. we didn't have this in newbie games. I'll need some input from experienced players.

Are claims often bluffs, or are they generally reliable?

Claims need to be evaluated by their environment/process/tone/flavor-setup/etc. to see if they are actually believable. EG, Worst claimed at L-3 (BAD), Worst lied that he crumbed (BAD), Worst falsely accused a player of causing him to claim (i.e. he LIED) (BAD). More below.

you say that, but then there are people faking VCs in this game too

[profii]

What necessary reading? I said I’d read the content generated after I joined and no less barring me determining it being a circle jerk

If you are only willing to read the content that happens after you join, how do you expect to interact with knowledge players are working with when they speak to each other?

to be fair, If I came into a 100 page game and the entire town didn't really know where it was going, I'd probably come in with the intention of not wanting to read as I don't think another person is going to read those 100 pages and go "aha it's clearly ____ who is the scum here"

on the other hand you make a good point and that approach probably wont work haha

[profii]

Mr Rogers also made a big deal of the fact he caught up the entire thread

I’m kinda in 2 minds to say is he being LAMIST when actually he got the scum catch-up in PT and just theatered the whole thing to manufacture a scum read on people

But he does seem a bit hyper so it could just be he read the whole thread

[/paranoia]

[profii]

Call me a jerk (its easy!) but FoS FL for having "trouble" formulating his reads; inconsistency in the way reads have been formulated.,

Does anyone see what I am saying here. I am posting this more to make a note of it because something is not smelling right with the whole way TL has read the player list?

PEDIT: See this makes no sense to me. HOW can you accept Worst's claim because ur read of him is so super accurate?? But yet at the same time say that an almost perfectly good claim by Crimson is most likely false?

I don't think your logic regarding your reads?

Have you played with FL before?

[profii]

Scum team of 3 on Day 1

Let’s lynch Rogers, guys.

Now we are mind melding boom