Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

Nero: Tora
Tora: Nero, Ausuka

So we're doing this again.

I prefer Tora but unlike Nero, he still has his 1-shot bp, iirc? while Nero has no protection whatsoever.

The plan is Drixx protects Nero

[Sakura Hana]

that's a smart plan, but there is the risk of echo. scum can echo you at night and dayvig town the next day whenever you trigger. remember echo is night only, but so is the bomb. the bomb can be "triggered" by day, but it's "activated" as a night action. so yeah I think the mechanics are fair, except scum does get to echo.

Actually this is wrong, Bomb can be activated as a day action, and when you do that it just counts against your next night's superpower usage, so long as you're not negated or hit a negated target that shouldnt matter, Power Echo DOES NOT last into the next day phase like most of the other BS counters scum can have, so that might be viable.

[Sakura Hana]

Also, as long as we don’t no lynch, Sakura is immune from all killing abilities.

Not tomorrow, Drixx concern is that if i give bomb to scum, they can just take me out at the start of the next day phase instead of during the night.
Also im still not sure on the use of the bomb, but if i DO use it, the player that has the superpower will be hidden until tomorrow, so Drixx should still protect Nero, and if scum wants to shoot into the lynchpool to try to hit him then they are helping us thin the lynchpool anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

So, you’re set on 4 but unsure on a 5th?

Half right.
Im basically going down via my strength of TRs on the town block, and im unsure on who to put as 5th, i did submit someone, but i kind of idk

[Sakura Hana]

Tora as i said yesterday, people with differing opinions encourage discussion, discussion encourages other players to voice their opinions, and other players voicing their opinions helps you find scum. Nero's town, whether he or you is the wrong town, is another story, because town doesnt mean right, I like you guys discussing, but I'd also like if other players would discuss, and specially some of the lynchpool are going like "i wanna bomb coz it's cool" or "i wanna bomb coz i dont feel like playing", which are terrible reasons.

[Sakura Hana]

Basiclaly they can echo him at night, but if he doesnt use it during the night then it's pointless, by daybreak, the effect of power echo is gone already, and he can go off on whoever he wants, this makes him unable to use a power next night, but if he dies anyways that doesnt matter, it only matters if he's negated or hits a negated target, coz he still used a power just it didnt work.

[Sakura Hana]

What vig? you mean that BS Janitored Vig that gives us 0 info?

Are you referring to Petrification? No, I mean if you pick self-detonate, it’s basically a free vigshot, so long as we get a lynch, because you’re immune to all kills.

A suicide isnt a kill.

[Sakura Hana]

No BP today.

[Sakura Hana]

Okay Nancy, there are certain roles that do something called "Suicide" as part of their role.
Suicide Bomber, Desperado, Weak modifier. For example.
Suicide is different from a kill, as that nothing stops a suicide unless a role stops them from doing what causes them to suicide.
A suicide bomber, suicides to kill a player, nothing can prevent the suicide from triggering but protection can prevent the target from dying, short of roleblocking the suicide in the first place.
A desperado suicides if they shoot town, nothing can prevent the suicide from triggering.
A weak role suicides if they target scum, nothing can prevent the suicide from triggering other than preventing them from visiting scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Ugh, guys, i do have a strong townread on Nero, i gave u links so you can judge for yourselves, coz i'd feel bad if i am blindly trusted on it and then im wrong, i'd be the one cause of a town loss and then my already low self steem would take an even bigger hit. I dont have self confidence enough to shove down a read through people's throats, but i do give my reasoning so people can judge on their own.

[Sakura Hana]

Damn i was hoping my question would've been in the FAQ already.
Regardless apparently self detonation kills both the player and the target, it does not count as a suicide, i think.
A bombing player may well be able to be doctored from dying from it, and it's also possible the presiding leader (me) can vig someone with it.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm just double checking with the mod just in case.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok yes, i confirmed it.
If i use self detonation while being protected as leader it's basically a vig.
Same if someone doctors a bomber (But doctor only prevents 1 kill so if scum shoots them they'd still die)

[Sakura Hana]

Now here's an idea.
Nero and Tora run up together for leader and pick self detonate but dont use it (unless Nero wants to blow someone up), whoever gets leader uses it that night as a vig.
I'd ask that he be protected by Drixx but problem is if he uses it then he's vulnerable to the regular night kill.
Then we just cycle the leaders that have self detonate and have a vig every night.

[Sakura Hana]

At the very least, i can protect myself every other night, and vig on nights that i have leader, so long as scum dont have SS.

[Sakura Hana]

Hmm although Power Echo is still kind of a risk.

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry i just love vig roles, and the way we can convert a self detonate into a proper vig kinda made me excited.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah i forgot about dayvig, that addresses my concerns.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah i forgot about dayvig, that addresses my concerns.

I literally put risk here?

So what exactly is the plan?

I dont consider myself good at planning in general, I'll think of something but i'd also like for people to pool in their ideas. when the 24 hour clock i gave ends, we will decide on a course of action and then switch to normal scumhunting, if 48 hours after that (i.e 48ish hours left) we cant reach agreement, then we compromise.

[Sakura Hana]

Im basically scared that SOMETHING will go wrong. And it will cause us to lose.

[Sakura Hana]

Tora, Katsuki fakes guilties on his SRs all the time. Of course he MAY also fake a guilty on a scummate i'd assume.
I don't think I can read Kats, but Nero's meta points to Nero being town.

[Sakura Hana]

I just realized that i or someone else could also power echo the doctor

[Sakura Hana]

Then drixx could protect both of Tora and Nero.

[Sakura Hana]

It’s mainly if Drixx gets negated then neither protection goes through if I understand it correct. Echo wouldn’t fire as there would be no power to hit.

Also if Drixx is scum (again low chance) Nancy could end up copying mod knows what factional ability into those two.

Yeah exactly, but we're apparently suggesting two people without BP? So Drixx protecting one and getting negated = no protection, and Drixx protecting both with echo+doc and getting negated = no protection. Same result is my point.

You do make a good point about Drixx-scum doubling up a power on them. It's only powers though yeah? Petrification seems like the only dangerous one to get doubled up, maybe freezing but meh.

You do realize that if scum has power negate they can still pierce through the protection regardless? Power negate does prevent powers from being used on your target too you know.
The only ppl that have so far claimed to have a protection AND SS are me and ausuka (as per FA) as far as im aware.

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry, i've been busy all day, and now im tired, can someone sumarize the plan u guys are sugesting and if it's different from mine why isnt mine good? if it's already summarized then just quote it and i'll read it when i wake up.

[Sakura Hana]

You can take one super power and use another one, you already own, SS can be used together with another superpower

Nero: Ausuka, Sakura, Tora, Nancy
Ausuka: Nero, Creature, Drixx, Gamma, hebichan, Kokichi, Math, Nosferatu, Sando, Theta, TW. (Just remove whoever gets lynched)

I kind of want Nero to be main, because that might remove attention towards trying to kill Tora.

[Sakura Hana]

HOWEVER, I would advise against using SS with BP and then bombing during the day, SS would make ur bomb strongman no?

[Sakura Hana]

your sui usage, if used at day, will count against your power usage for that cycle (d6-n6), while your BP counts for this cycle (d5-n5) if you use it at night

This is correct

[Sakura Hana]

Also mod read my PM asking if you can power echo someone towards themselves but never answered it

[Sakura Hana]

I was actually thinking about the possibility of Echoing Drixx > Drixx.

[Sakura Hana]

Dunno asked the mod and he didnt answer me.
So someone's gonna have to do it and the mod's gonna have to tell them if it works or not.

[Sakura Hana]

If anything, I'm used to Math and Me disagreeing on reads. At least that clears up my paranoia.

[Sakura Hana]

Can we please not...

[Sakura Hana]

w/e
I think tor is prolly town

Yeah i agree

[Sakura Hana]

Yes, SS but not bp. bp can only be used in one cycle.

You use BP during the night and it lasts into the next day phase, during that day phase you're still protected unless someone hit your BP since it only protects towards 1 kill and will be able to use the bomb without dying.

[Sakura Hana]

Also if the mod decided to not answer my question because it was a power that came out earlier im gonna be incredibly dissapointed.

[Sakura Hana]

so uhh what are we trying to do here?

How caught up are you?

[Sakura Hana]

btw you have... siren's call? why?

I didn’t really understand it at the time. I guess had I used it on Cerh instezd of Muffin, I would have died in his place.

Siren's Call:

Target another player. That player's actions will be redirected to target you instead of their original target until the next Night Phase.

I dont understand what's so confusing about this you act as lightning rod towards your target's actions.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh boy you've been talking as if SC saves your target from dying, no, it forcers your target to tartget YOU.

[Sakura Hana]

Why did everyone (and by everyone i actually mean a couple people) decide to pick the one time im leader to go ballooney about the mechanics and make me reconsider all my life decissions.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok so, first of all, why would someone Power Negate specifically drixx, using PN on ur target already voids any super powers used on them and can kill them anyway, this would also prevent them from being targeted by Drixx (although Drixx's power woul still go off).

[Sakura Hana]

The only people that can 100% avoid being PN'd or hitting one are ppl with SS

[Sakura Hana]

Second, YES, nancy the BP lasts into the next day you and you can use bomb while being protected by your BP (but then you'd be a sitting duck that night phase)

[Sakura Hana]

And third, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, Siren's Call doesnt redirect actions targeting your target, it redirect's your target's actions, do NOT use it on Drixx or you'll redirect the doctor towards yourself, if u want to draw a kill towards yourself use it on whoever scum you think is submitting the kill.

[Sakura Hana]

actually, i will say that anyone who likes interaction analysis should be able to tell that there is most likely at least one (maybe only one) scum between mylo/rando. his thoughts about lurkers (

primarily

mylo

/rando

) were too deliberate for him to be calling out town players

i don't really feel like going into any depth on this and i really dont care if anyone disagrees but 934, 1099 and the placements in 1387 are a good start for anyone interested in thinking about that (1099 in particular, the other two posts are mostly complementary)

and if you think mathblade is town, well then draw the obvious conclusion

{CREATURE,

STUNGUN

,DRIXX,WHOEVER THE FUCK ELSE IM FORGETTING MAYBE GAMMA}

Hmmm

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah, for anyone that wants even MORE nero scum meta This game just finished today, in fact it's thanks to that game that I learned about Nero's town/scum meta in the first place.

[Sakura Hana]

So yes, that's why im pretty confident calling Nero town.

[Sakura Hana]

In any case, there's something else worrying me.
Worrying me to the point of scaring me.

[Sakura Hana]

talk to us, sakura san

It's math.
Idk, but that engagement with you where he yelled at you and started making all these theories about scum having like factional roleblock and what not felt a little... idk... weird. To the point that i felt like "Why does math complain about people going against town and THEN he goes against the town specially by spreading paranoia about Tora".
It's scaring me.
And then I remembered that muffin made that post about mylo/rando where he said that due to numbers scum meta, it's highly likely one of the 2 is scum and mylo flipped town, rando was math's predecessor.

And suddenly im scared.

[Sakura Hana]

sakura I believe your instincts

you should believe them too

Im mostly scared about making a mistake, a big mistake.
Ngl, tho when that engagement happened my first thought is "oh fuck math is scum".
My gut is still going like crazy, but if im wrong then im just killing someone on the townbloc out of sheer paranoia, so i want others to check in on my thoughts.

[Sakura Hana]

Ugh, im sorry, i should probably not have said anything.
Now im the one spreading paranoia >.<

[Sakura Hana]

OTOH if Math is scum here im not sure exactly what kind of game he's playing coz a lot of the mechanical stuff has been kinda anti scum. Math himself hasnt been able to use any powers due to using precog, so why did scum not kill him N3? Why did scum let me live N4 if Math didnt gave power to stun and instead someone else? Was it because of my 100% using SS BP statement?

A lot of these questions are popping into my head.

[Sakura Hana]

I feel like, if Math keeps using precog anyway scum can just sort him for us.
Also town math and me tend to clash on reads a lot.

AH DAMMIT I DONT EVEN KNOW.

I just want someone to tell me if im probably right or just flat out wrong.

[Sakura Hana]

math was leader and has like 3 different powers

if we're all thinking he might be scum let's end him today

That is true, but if we force him to use precog he cant use any powers during the night.

[Sakura Hana]

Ugh yeah, I guess.

[Sakura Hana]

Sorry, when im universally townread my paranoia can reach sky high. Because i cant ever tell the difference from scum TRing me than town TRing me.

[Sakura Hana]

In any case, im gonna go back to playing MHW, @Math: If you dont have anything to hide, use precog today.

[Sakura Hana]

HT and BP are good for town to have, Redirector is bad for town if scum gets it.

[Sakura Hana]

You can take one super power and use another one, you already own, SS can be used together with another superpower

Nero: Ausuka, Sakura, Tora, Nancy
Ausuka: Nero, Creature, Drixx, Gamma, hebichan, Kokichi, Math, Nosferatu, Sando, Theta, TW. (Just remove whoever gets lynched)

I kind of want Nero to be main, because that might remove attention towards trying to kill Tora.

Ok i guess time is running low so im reposting this
VOTE: hebichan

[Sakura Hana]

I'm trying to figure out how Math went from lock town to leashed precog.

That's easy, paranoia

[Sakura Hana]

@Tora: As I saw the deadline in the VC I saw hebi was being prodded so I voted her.
I'm tired of talking about mechanics over scumhunting, but then again this entire game is tiring me, yesterday I spent so much not voting so that we could've everything in order for today that I never voted the entire day phase.
I've been trying to set up deadlines for mechanic talk and planning so that this doesnt happen again, we're already at 2ish days remaining and we still haven't finished planning, I guess you need 5ish irl days to discuss plans for the night phase?
I still havent said whether ill vig someone tonight or not, imagine if scum has Power Echo, remember this isnt the first time it has come up, the mod also never answered my question. I could go goo generation instead (which would catch said scum).

[Sakura Hana]

Last time we had some sort of plan in motion math came in and "BUT WHAT IF SCUM HAS...... insert some sort of factional ability". But never thought about it when HE was planning the bombing, I think Tora's point on this is valid.

If you want my opinion, if scum has something to counter anything town can get from the incubator, then like, what's the point of the mechanic. Not only does town have to worry about scum getting a counter by being a SH, but also worry about scum having natural counters to begin with. I think if we think about powers being all in the incubator and scum having to town it up to get a power it makes more sense.

[Sakura Hana]

The one thing you guys do have to worry about is that you take suicide tonight and use it tomorrow during the day, tomorrow night you cant act.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually if i SS a bomb i cant be echoed, if i dont SS a bomb it cant pierce protection.

[Sakura Hana]

If whoever is leader gives me a power, I swear I will obvtown into oblivion tomorrow.

Why cant u obvtown into oblivion without a power?
If anything if u were obvtown into oblivion you'd have a power by now, you're not going the correct way about this if you're really town.

[Sakura Hana]

I just had an insane idea.

[Sakura Hana]

Kokichi said he'll obvtown to oblivion if he gets a power?
Well let's give him a power, it's just 1 person in the end, and if he doesnt obvtown we can always lynch him and if he suicides as scum then it's 1 less scum, if he uses petrify we got people that can heal it, doesnt look like there's much bad that can happen no?

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That's why i said it was an insane idea.

[Sakura Hana]

Although I guess it wasn't a good one in the end...

[Sakura Hana]

I see I'm back being suggested as a 6th?

???
I dont think I saw that.

[Sakura Hana]

I did:

You can take one super power and use another one, you already own, SS can be used together with another superpower

Nero: Ausuka, Sakura, Tora, Nancy
Ausuka: Nero, Creature, Drixx, Gamma, hebichan, Kokichi, Math, Nosferatu, Sando, Theta, TW. (Just remove whoever gets lynched)

I kind of want Nero to be main, because that might remove attention towards trying to kill Tora.

Still dont know who I want my last person to be tho...

[Sakura Hana]

Kokichi, Sando, Gamma, Nosferatu, Creature, Theta Alpine, TW

All of you give me your reads.

[Sakura Hana]

Ugh, this a lot of stress.

[Sakura Hana]

@Everyone:

Have you all read and understood the plan? If you end up being the 5th you know what to do right?

I mean the team is obvious so im not sure why im not mentioning it anyway, but current team is Ausuka, Nero, Tora, Nancy, The 5th

[Sakura Hana]

Kokichi, Sando, Gamma, Nosferatu, Creature, Theta Alpine, TW

5th is going to be one of these btw.
So im mostly interested if all of them understand the plan.

[Sakura Hana]

I would rather, people dont explode unless they are leader, but up to you.

[Sakura Hana]

I currently have trust issues with Math, Drixx being the 5th doesnt help the plan coz Drixx cant power echo himself, in addition to the fact that i dont trust him much either, but, if Drixx happens to be scum in any case we would know that. So those are pretty much the left overs for the 5th spot.

[Sakura Hana]

Mod already read my latest team submission PM, you're free to hammer.

[Sakura Hana]

I put the least sketchy players on Nero mainly to prevent scum getting a scum leader again if ausuka somehow manages to die.

[Sakura Hana]

Summary of the plan.

I will get either self detonate or self watcher or power echo and use it.
Drixx will doctor protect Nero
Nero Power Absorbs or Self watchers or tracker or whatever, but preferably the first.
Tora checks Drixx or Nero, if scum has power negate it will land around here somewhere so it will give us huge info
Nancy and Ausuka do whatever the hell they want.
Math cannot act, probably someone not the 5th could try and power echo drixx towards there.
The 5th, will Power Echo Drixx towards Tora.

Did I get all that right?

[Sakura Hana]

That also makes me wonder if me echoing Drixx onto Tora, while someone else also does the same makes Drixx use doctor twice on Tora and prevent 2 kills on them.
I'll ask the mod tonight I guess.

[Sakura Hana]

Math scumreading Tora makes me more confident Tora is town.

[Sakura Hana]

sakura weren't you townreading hebi?

I was, then she just up vanished and got prodded and so i voted her.
I said this earlier already

[Sakura Hana]

About Nos: I have a lot of experiencial meta with him both here and off site, but I can't really parse anything about what he's doing here, gut lean scum.
About muffin: His scumgame is VERY scary.

[Sakura Hana]

Thought Dump

Spoiler:

Not sure why scum would become so apparent by using petrify.
I dont understand what game they are playing.
This could be the last chance to lynch scum.

Spoiler:

Nero would've won a tie, so there were 2 scum in Nero's leadership wagon and 1 in Ausuka's leadership wagon that shifted the leadership towards Math.

Making the scumteam Tora, Nancy, Math FUCK

Spoiler:

New thoughts, since i forgot Math cant self vote because im a dummy, there's 3 possible scenarios

Scenario 1: Ausuka screwed up the voting
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Scenario 1a: Mathblade is town, there's a 50/50 scum between Tora and Nancy
Scenario 1b: Mathblade is scum, both Tora and Nancy are scum.

Scenario 2: Ausuka didnt screw up the voting
Math is town 100%, Tora and Nancy are both scum 100%

Spoiler:

how the FUCK has Nancy not submitted a healing touch on me yet if she's town.

Spoiler:

Sigh, sorry, i just....
If I literally lost the game for town I wont be able to live it down.
I have a feeling this is going to turn just like Midscummer's Night Dream.
I'm really bad at using abilities or being in a leadership role.

That's why I didnt want to (even tho deep down i actually did).
This is gonna take a big toll on my self steem.
I just...
I think im gonna quit mafia again, maybe permanently this time.
I'm tired of screwing everything up.
It's always my fault.

Spoiler:

Ok so yeah
Tora is scum, Nancy is ALSO scum, Math is town, Nero is town, Drixx is town, Theta is town, Kokichi is unknown, Creature is town.

ughhhhhhhhhhhh

I dun goofed, i literally gave power to TWO scum

Spoiler:

Well I guess people are doing a good job at scumhunting across the Nero voters.
At least I wont feel bad that my plan did actually work.

Guess there's not much for me to do so if i revive i might just blow someone up to thin the Nero voters PoE

Spoiler:

More internal thoughts
In any case I 100% do not believe Gamma voted Nero
So Gamma is scum along with Nancy and Tora
Nancy being so insistent in not healing me points to her being scum, idc if she unpetrifies me now, if she does, im blowing her up.
She took too long.

Spoiler:

At this point the only reason i see Nancy ever healing me is to avoid being lynched/killed.
She's NOT town, she's dying

Spoiler:

More internal thoughts.

Math's precog implied that HT would be available tonight. But it isnt, assuming that scum had the same information Math had why use petrify.

Spoiler:

Math is fucking scum, no one scumreads me here, this is never my scumgame, math doesnt want me to blow up Nancy

Spoiler:

I voted for Nero, Kokichi is the extra power, I tried to bomb Nos but the petrify roleblocked me, mod told me petrification didnt affect my vote

Spoiler:

If you opened this far I probably already submitted a ss bomb detonation, sorry if wrong, although im already used to being wrong.
Hopefully this will give more insight into what happened last night and fuel your scumhunting, if im wrong sorry Nancy, if you had healed me earlier i would have
probably thought you're town. The fact that you got pressured into healing me means you're probably scum who wanted to get away with it, besides, for math to be leader
literally both you and tora have to be scum.

@Town: If this flips town lynch the fuck out of Tora/Math, best guess for 3rd is Gamma. If Nancy flips scum and so does Tora, Math is conf town. If Tora doesnt then just lynch Math

[Sakura Hana]

I still think TW was kinda conftown from Creature being blocked (and in turn being unable to block TW) short of TW actually following the circular freezing (all he had to do was not freeze), but great job in the end, i was tbh, expecting a 1v1 between Creature and Sando by Creature claiming to have blocked Sando instead or something.

[Sakura Hana]

Wait what Brian? Duckling blocking me who blocks Creature doesn't result in a creature block? But two people blocking each other results in both?!

In a blocking triangle the player that isnt blocking ends up not being blocked
Because in a blocking triangle everyone modifies everyone so all fire up simultaneously
Remove one of them and then you go through normal action resolution

Apply any unmodified actions before the actions they modify

So since Sando's block was unmodified as TW didnt roleblock him, it fires off BEFORE creature's roleblock, hence creature cant freeze.

[Sakura Hana]

So basically you have 2 options.
Either TW is lying and he did get a power and everyone got blocked (which means TW actually decided to do the triangle instead of not blocking and doing the kill for the win).
Or TW is telling the truth and he didnt get a power and so he was conf town.

[Sakura Hana]

So basically you guys almost handed the win to Creature with your plan, and it was TW's plan too, if TW was scum he'd have known how to break free from it to use it to win.
TW was like conftownier than Sando in that... if Creature had claimed to block Sando then yes both Creature and Sando get blocked, was pretty risky for TW to vote Creature since Sando could still be scum until Creature outed to block TW.

[Sakura Hana]

So yes, TW just correctly hit a 50/50 between Creature/Sando, and Sando gambled on Creature when Creature should've been confscum to him.
NGL, I thought it was pretty obvious if you look at just the NAR page (or ask the mod), but considering how much i had Math yelling at me "NO IT'S NOT A CONFTOWN COZ TW CANT BE TRUSTED" or something, i guess it's not that easy to figure out.

[Sakura Hana]

Also before I forget.
Colossal job with this game Brian, i cant even begin to imagine how much effort you put into this, and I really would like to say you did really well considering everything that happened.

My only caveat was petrification, and anything else is just me not meshing with this leadership mechanic very well during the game, surprisingly i didnt do too bad, but had I not skipped D1, i'd probably would have been on the lynchpool myself.

[Sakura Hana]

For the people that dont want to read everything in the graveyard, the reason i bombed as soon as i got healed is because i was worried scum would try to outspeed me by submitting a bomb before i did, specially if i decided to push Nancy via lynching. I had literally that post prewritten in such a way so scum would have to open it one by one and by the time they reached where im bombing i already sent in the action before they can do anything about it.

[Sakura Hana]

because i mean, technically, an hypothetical Creature town could have gone against the plan and frozen an hypothetical Sando scum.

[Sakura Hana]

I still need to figure out how the hell to get good reads and not second guess myself on them.
And yes, Tora WAS right that i was scared of pushing Math D5. It's some sorta anxiousness that's kinda hard to explain.

[Sakura Hana]

Btw contrary to everyone's belief, I actually trusted duckling more than Sando come time to give people powers, but I thought either of the 2 would be too obvious so I thought of giving Kokichi time to shine.

[Sakura Hana]

A>B>C>D>E

For it to be a circle it'd necessarily need to be A>B>C>D>E>A, then THAT is a circle.
In your current example A blocks B, C blocks D. A,C,E are unblocked.

Putting it down to what you actually had
TW > Sando > Creature > TW = All are blocked
Sando > Creature > TW = Sando blocks Creature. Sando and TW unblocked.

[Sakura Hana]

It's much like when you're using Counterspells in magic the gathering i guess.

[Sakura Hana]

I gotta admit, i got super worried when everyone was locktowning Creature and im like... "what".
Admitedly TW did see Creature's game wasnt like his normal town games and was off, but was too tunneled with Sando at the time.

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I mean I get that this is the "rule", but I'd argue that's definitively NOT clear from the wiki.

The circular roleblock resolution was something that Brian decided at the start of the game should it come up ever.
The other is just the golden rule of NAR which i showed in bold earlier.

[Sakura Hana]

You know.
I keep forgetting I fake claimed Masons with Katsuki this game.

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Subject: Heroes Wanted! League of Alisae

would it break any site rules if i pmed a leader asking them to change their avatar every day?

you know, just to mess with you

Funnily enough, I chose that avatar specifically coz it was cute and I wanted it to appear on the vote counts. Would've been funny if I didnt actually become leader in the end.

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I mostly wanted to protect Katsuki coz I know he's good at scumhunting later.
I also wanted to avoid D1, coz when i effort D1 I get scumread.

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Well im just glad that i went off on a high note and this didnt become another Forgotten Hourglass.
Sad to say, but I think I just got lucky, not good.

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Oh yeah, at some point i said Cerb and FA couldnt be scum together but I forgot why.

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Sorry this was my worst town game of all time. It was just too much to read. When I got into it, it was fun then j got petrified :/

I was hoping you getting a power would make you get into it :/

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One of the things that felt weird to me was that I stated a deadline to stop talking mechanics and start actually scumhunting and it seemed that math managed to extend the mechanical talk over scumhunting, but for some reason i gave fault to the entire playerlist.

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Although we won, im not exactly happy to know that what I did or experienced this game will probably never happen again. I wasnt lying when I said that people trusting me with leadership made me extremely happy, in contrast to almost getting mislynched in Minuet's Trio, and I will probably just put this game into "maybe once in a blue moon ill have a good game"

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Wait math actually had precog and just lied for the sake of it? Or he didn't have the chance to use it because of using another power or something?

Why lie?

He didnt want to let town know some of the powers that were coming that night.
Also that night math used not precog, so the next set of powers were 100% lie

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Yeah I still dont know why Tora killed Theta

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Well I guess there's nothing left for me to do here.

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This game and postgame left me with a lot of mixed feelings.

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Also im going back to my previous avatar coz it's cuter.

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I do wonder if some day ill actually be a good player...

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I do wonder if some day ill actually be a good player...

throw the entire game under a critical lens and get to the heart of why the game went the way it did and what your part in it was

see what you did correctly and what you did incorrectly

find the differences separating the two of them

as you analyze more games, find patterns of what you're consistently doing well in and what you're consistently doing poorly in

find the situations that cause each

figure out how you can steer the game towards the situations you excel in while recognizing those situations you do poorly in

etc.

mafia isn't really the type of game you can have a lot of pride in if you want to be strong within it, it's a very complex set of moving parts and no one player is going to have a perfect game... well, ever. there's always more you can do to get better reads, more you can do to recognize and push those better reads, and more you can do to ensure that town reaches the same correct scumreads you do

Well half of it is "Dont get scared", but I got aggro in Phantom Hourglass and that went south super fast.

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since I was stuck playing but unable to post.

Imagine how I felt considering how much of an active poster i am.

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Although I guess I shouldnt actually say anything since I was only petrified for a fraction of a game day and then I suicided.

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muffin did tell us to coordinate day 2 leaders, but everyone just ignored him, and somehow that made him scum enough to dayvig his replacement.

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Like I still dont get any of the muffin/theta scumreads.

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just do something like pick two people and split votes between them overnight (if one of them is killed, the other becomes leader by default, assuming they amassed the most or second-most votes)

do it publicly before day ends

dont give scum any chances to vote outside of those two people

(and if you disagree with both possible candidates, do not publicly declare who you will be voting for)

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NGL, the only thing I remember from Drixx is he thinking i somehow mind controller people irl to suggest me as leader.

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Also, while yes I was very serious in my statement that I didnt want powers or be leader ever. Deep inside I actually did, and when people suggested me for leader it made me super happy, because im more used to people just scumreading me or mislynching me.

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You should work on that facet of play. You can figure out someone is town a lot by realizing their "story" in the game is natural and makes perfect sense and likewise find a lot of scum because things they were setting up have to be mangled and bent out of shape to fit the narrative they need to push for their "story" to make sense.

I try to do that. Honestly it's more of a lot of things just make sense to me, "I am town, therefore it makes sense to be townread" is one of the things that happens a lot to me which also tends to lead to a lot of OMGUS sometimes because I tend to believe there's scum hand in pushing me when I know im town, moreover when I literally hate to be scum and hence I have the opposite mindset "I am scum, therefore it makes sense to be scumread", which should mean im super easy to read, but in the past i was townread more then i was scum, and mislynched a lot when i was town, most because of the fact that as scum me having the knowledge of everyone's alignment made it super easy to just help town push town and buddy up to them to garner being townread in some way or form, the lack of knowledge of people's alignments change my play around to be more self centered than town centered, which for some reason causes people to think im just scum with self-awareness, and neither of these things i've been able to change through the course of time.
When i see people's play and try to read them, the first thing i think is "Does this make sense as scum to be doing?" or "Does this make sense as town to be doing?" as I generally read people individually rather than a string of events. And more often than not, I actually read the emotions or get "feelings" for their posting and garner reads from that, as an example, the moment Math became leader D4? I felt my heart sink, dunno if that was more of the fact that i wasnt as wanted as i thought, or that was just because it scared me coz i thought he was scum.
Speaking of scaring me, a lot of the time, the vocal players or supposed good scumhunters, scare me when im town. Because I feel like if they scumread me, it's all over and im gonna be mislynched sooner or later, which affects my play around them by a lot, me being passive D1 helped me vote Cerb without getting scared, because at that point i didnt care enough about the game.
But back on D5, I felt Math was scum, I literally went to look at the evidence muffin left that could indiciate Math scum, but i literally got frozen, people had trusted me enough for leader, and my question going through my head was "Am I really confident enough to push this?, What if im wrong? What if people just distrust me and mislynch me because of it?".

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I don't believe I saw an objection to releasing the Scum PT. So I'll be releasing that now.

Onto Page 24, and apparently Nancy keeps thinking Phasing is a Lightning Rod lol.

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She is picking Creature lol.

She is a bad crumber.

I lol'd

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Wowee that was a long read.
Also I wasnt crumbing anything, I rarely ever crumb anything because im of the knowledge that scum finds crumbs faster than town. I only crumb when a flip will cause people to look for crumbs (like a weak role).