Not voting: Dunnstral 915
The deadline for Day 2 is 2:17 pm CT on Thursday, September 20, in (expired on 2018-09-20 15:17:24).
Ooh I did feel this tooIn post 981, Nauci wrote:(and something about rubs me the wrong way)
??In post 983, Nauci wrote:-418 I extremely want to see Irrelephant’s explanation for this one
This is a reaaaaally good point actuallyIn post 983, Nauci wrote:It makes no sense to me why keyser wouldn’t call him out on his obsession or, at the very least, blatant attempts to pocket, OR the issues with his posting that town keyser 100% would have called out based on my experience with him. If this was town keyser I seriously couldn’t fathom in the slightest how he doesn’t call out the gross pocketing
Not yet but getting thereIn post 998, Nauci wrote:Irrelephant are you tired of me joining your games and putting you through all this yet
it's a good answerIn post 1004, Nauci wrote:this is townrrelephant–final answer
idk about duck but I amIn post 1020, Nauci wrote:are you happy now duckyI think I dropped like 3k words just for the rough and terse catch up notes
Myself or Irrelephant11 are very unlikely scum and shouldn’t be lynched today.In post 984, Nauci wrote:Quick and dirty reads list before I head into the 600s
Skitter Tier:
Reundo - Bellaphant of the ball
nsg - this is so outside of scumsg range and definitely in burned-out-townsg range
You know what? You's alright:
Toranga
Eragon
Ausuka
Wouldn’t bet on these:
Dunnstral
The worst
Naughty little boys and well actually just boys:
Keyser
Irrelephant
consider NSG is veteran enough to understand that nonsensical thinking does not equal scummy and that questioning nonsense will very often lead to dead ends. also consider that, it's not actually that hard to see GNB's posting there as towny or understand why he'd be bothered with townreads for effort. I can see town thinking like this, even though ofc it doesn't bother me to be getting free passes for posting many words, and more importantly, even if I didn't understand it I'd be coming from a position of "is this scum motivated?" when challenging GNB on his views, which isn't something NSG is doing here. she is writing many words that lead the game nowhere, instead of pursuing things she finds alignment indicative. I'm very bothered that she'd spend half her posting at this point pursuing something that didn't even ping her at all in the first place. what pinged her? dunnstral. why didn't se ask dunnstral anything, then? why isn't she going after him, instead of creating this pointless conversation with GNB?In post 170, northsidegal wrote:dunnstral seems kind of scummy right now, so that's a good a place as any for a vote.
i remember someone asking or pondering upon why i wasn't voting GNB if i was apparently scumreading him, and while i didn't and still don't really understand the mindset of what he was saying, it didn't really ping me as all that scum indicative on an instintcutal level.
anyways,
VOTE: dunnstral
again. this is GNB's nonread all over again. she is voting dunnstral without talking about him at all in any meaningful way, and then starts going over... commas? and if he is now talking in commas, so what? is that anything indicative? why is she not talking about her actual scumread? why are the things NSG points out so blatantly not scummy things at all?In post 171, northsidegal wrote:how accurate would you say you are when it comes to reading keyser? i just want to know your degree of confidence here.In post 155, Kop wrote:I think Keyser is town from the quick glancing I made. I have played with Keyser quite a bit under a different alias on another website, and kinda know what his town game is, and what his scum game is. Unless his game play is different over here compared to over on the other website I play with him, but at the moment, I am getting his town game play from what I've seen so far.
on a different note, kop's staccato sentences with all of the commas are standing out to me. from memory i don't really remember him talking like that, although i could certainly be wrong here. i'm going to check for myself soon (if not right after this then this should serve as a reminder), but does anyone else who's played with kop remember that?
no, dunn is right. you're quite literally shading someone's punctuation instead of going deep over their thoughts or anything smart. this is fake scumhunting if I've ever seen one and I'm astonished, I'm appalled, I'm confused and sad this is being townread.In post 174, northsidegal wrote:saying that my opinion is "commas are scummy" is an utter misrepresentation of what i'm trying to sayIn post 173, Dunnstral wrote:For real though I've got no clue what Kop's normal posting style is like - why do you think the commas are AI?
he's typing in an awkward manner and it's an awkward manner that i'm not sure i remember him doing in the games i've seen him as town
not sure how you could frame that as my opinion being "commas are scummy"
this is how she is talking about someone she is voting right now. her dunn read had 0 progression so far, and her other reads had 0 progression so far. "not sure if scum indicative or not" is so slimy, too. can't it be town indicative? why don't you go one step above "you're not understanding my POV" here? is the fact that he is mocking your read alignment indicative? what is your kop read anyway? blablabla commas, and so what, is there anything else?In post 232, northsidegal wrote:i began a response to this a day or so ago but never finished itIn post 176, Dunnstral wrote:I mean, that looks like exactly what you're saying here, except replace that with "Kop's commas are scummy"
the statement "kop's commas are scummy" implies that in a vacuum i think that the use of commas is scum-indicative (patently absurd). the punctuation itself is secondary to my main point - i noticed a stylistic difference between the way someone was typing here and the way that i remember that same person typing in a previous game as scum. i don't think anyone would possibility dispute that that has a very good chance of being in some way meaningful.
-shrug-
you're being far less reasonable than i typically expect you to be, and i'm not sure if i should take it as scum-indicative or not
234 posts into the game and it's still just empty. what NSG did twice already, and then upped her postcount with, and very little else, was:In post 234, northsidegal wrote:wasn't much of a "theory" in the first place, nor something to "buy into" before more research was done. despite how dunnstral may want you to look at it, it was really only ever something that stuck out to me as being potentially a thing / relevant, hence my asking anyone else for information. honestly, i still haven't done the meta on kop that i wanted to.In post 187, Keyser Söze wrote:Not sure I buy into NSG’s “staccato sentence/comma” theory - unless you can clearly show Kop only posting this style as scum, I think it’s too reachy for my taste.
ah, the mathdino-style reads. i love it!In post 206, Irrelephant11 wrote:Because NSG is hard townreading you and one of the following is true:
-She's town and probably correct
-She's scum and correct
-You're both scum <--- in this situation, I have no useful reads on any players, so I'm assuming it's not this
maybe they're just scum together. if NSG is voting him and thinks he "framed" her, why isn't she casing him? are you genuinely upset with someone you think it's scum cause they're trying to win? just what mindset is this?In post 236, northsidegal wrote:it angers me the way dunnstral has framed my argument, genuinely.
empty case, nothing she even points out that's actually scummy, just "not revealing as towny mindset". those interactions/vote/push with dunn are really really bad.In post 291, northsidegal wrote:mainly i felt like -nothing- he was saying early was actually town indicative, which on its own might not make that much sense (not noticing towny things = scum?) but i feel like it's relevant. if someone is town thwn i would expect that they would show it in some way. here's what i mean (aka my shitty mathdino-style "lolcase" that will, going off of previous experience, get me either scumread or into a very stupid argument that lasts longer than it should):In post 277, the worst wrote:wHYIn post 170, northsidegal wrote:dunnstral seems kind of scummy right now, so that's a good a place as any for a vote.
Spoiler:
I townread her telling the worst she thinks numbers is town and is sad he didn't sub in there, but look at the phrasing. it's at the very top of her reads, she doesn't need to point out she thinks it's town any further. also, "i feel as if this game i'm just going to try to get a towncore and go off of poe mainly", how can you even tell these things? isn't every game trying to get a towncore and then killing the POE, at least until you get a proper strong scumread? why say this? weird self awareness, I don't like it at all.In post 293, northsidegal wrote:anyways, i feel as if this game i'm just going to try to get a towncore and go off of poe mainly
town:
northsidegal
2.718281828459 (unfortunate you didn't replace into this slot ducky, i think it's town)
Ausuka
Keyser Söze (presuming i can trust kop on keyser's alignment and just for now - keyser is someone who i plan to do more meta on when i get the energy or when someone bothers me about it enough)
Irrelephant11
that leaves:
{volxen, the worst, Dunnstral, Reundo, Toranaga, Kop}
which feels vaguely alright in terms of a poe
and where are you tunneling sesq? you didn't even remember it existed when you made your list, right? and you didn't even explain why you think it was scum.In post 318, northsidegal wrote:-shrug-
i'm not particularly concerned about him yet, so i think it's probably fine. i might just tunnel sesq for today and leave it at that.
the worst wrote:shame there's no trackers in this setup
The most important part of volxen's ISO is that he had spent a lot of time reading mafia theory and guides on the wiki, so we can make some safe assumptions about his play style being based on the things mhsmith et all have written about scumming, associatives, etc., IMO.In post 1037, Irrelephant11 wrote:lol not what I meant
I don't mean "he was really bad at playing scum" which is sorta true but you live and learn, whatever
I mean "the way he played scum was pretty textbook and I think his associations are going to be more helpful than the average flipped scum, so we don't need to get weird/paranoid with the lynch"
Okay first of all I already wrote a book on this in american presidents. Second, I wrote a relatively detailed note on every instance I had a reaction to something TW post and why, so just go read those.In post 1039, Keyser Söze wrote:@Nauci - what does ‘scum The Worst’ look like in your own words?
Even as a spectator without the obvious bias of being in the slot, my reaction to these associatives that feels strong is that he didn't try to throw the heat off of himself and onto a teammate, so Toranga (and I) are clear. I don't see a world where inexperienced scum would do that, tbh.In post 1042, Irrelephant11 wrote:volxen associations:
14 - RVS votes GNB[tw]
104 - He parrots NSG's (without mentioning nsg) "why say not to townread yourself?" case on GNB[tw]
123 - He shades Sesq[Nauci] for poorly scumcasing Keyser
125 - He continues to argue with GNB[tw] and answers Ausuka's question about GNB[tw]
148 - Asks 2.718[Huntress] if he's still scumreading Keyser
167 - Answers Toranaga's question about GNB[tw] ("I'm nullreading him")
237 - He townreads Keyser for weak reasons; nullreads nsg in few words; nullreads GNB[tw] in very many words; scumreads 2.718[Huntress] with his most in-depth thought processes yet. His reasons for the scumread are:
> Misrepping Keyser
> Siding with Reundo against Keyser
> Townreading Reundo with poor reasoning
254 -Tries to direct attention off his slot by pointing at lurkers. Namely: 2.718[Huntress], Toranaga, and Sesq.Notably, part of his scumread of Tor is that Tor thinks scum is in 2.718[Huntress]/volxen/sesq. I think this is somewhat clearing for Tor (in addition to the towncred he does actually deserve for the volxen lynch) because I don't think their scum play here was to name each other in their lynchbait lists.
280 - Reiterates his scumreads from his previous posts. Also says Reundo/Keyser is either t/t or s/t (Keyser being town either way)
288 - says hi to the worst (not really indicative, I'm just being thorough)
321 - He answers nsg's question about knowing the worst ("yes")
324 & 326 - continues to talk about nsg, this time about his experience with mafia and mafiascum.
330 - Becomes the fourth vote on sesq
352 - Welcomes Huntress
354 - Helps sesq try to unvote
383 - Welcomes Eragon
446 - Claims watcher in response to me
484 - Tries to shift wagon movement back to sesq in response to me
508 - Shades Reundo for attacking Keyser one more time after his lynch is inevitable