Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

[Mister Rogers]

Yeh, FL towns up later.

ORLY? Why is he pushing a scumlist based on the Manatee wagon? How on this earth can you fault the entire wagon for voting something that is so obvbscum/anti-town?

Am I missing something about that wagon because how does it even make sense unless you con individually show scum motivations for each of the players there??

I mean it just sounds like he is being lazy to me?

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeh, FL towns up later.

ORLY? Why is he pushing a scumlist based on the Manatee wagon? How on this earth can you fault the entire wagon for voting something that is so obvbscum/anti-town?

Am I missing something about that wagon because how does it even make sense unless you con individually show scum motivations for each of the players there??

I mean it just sounds like he is being lazy to me?

I mean, you can just read my posts. All of this is already answered.

[Flavor Leaf]

And Mister Rogers coming in this way makes a lot of sense with how Doughboy vs Me was in relation to Krazy, so Krazy’s warlocking Mister Rogers right now.

Krazy is clearly scum. Plenty of things out there have shown why. And honestly, as town, he would have been able to see it too, just wasn’t correct alignment. Him fighting it though changes that.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s Day 1, Krazy is trying to act like reads are ridiculous like nobody should be even thinking of scum reading him, so he’s going about like it’s preposterous which town in his position doesn’t do here how he is doing it.

[Mister Rogers]

Well I'm about 15 of 20 pages for my first chunk of catchup. I guess I missed your Krazy case. I don't think he is wrong that you are crazy posting though.

PEDIT: Well eventually I will review the actual case against him to analyze if his defense is from scum but it would seem to me there are better lynch choices this day. At this point we (You/I) barely agree on any read...

[Light Ethos]

Krazy informed me in the Q/T that LE has a very obvious scum game where he is quite uncomfortable and posts very little but when he plays as town he is much more vocal and appears more comfortbale in his element.

Full disclosure: I didn't have enough time to play that game I rolled scum and had to be replaced. I wasn't lying; work got busy out of nowhere that week and stayed just as busy for almost a month. The difference between that game and the others I've played shouldn't be the basis of your read on me this game.

[profii]

Oh hey gaiz, re: Worst's claim of Gunsmith, can you please link me to that so I can at least read it? TIA. xoxxoxox.

Did you find this and make anything of it

[Mister Rogers]

So far all I have is that LE stated that Worst is 100% responsible for claiming. What is important is that I know how to find it and will review it after 5 more pages or most recent catchup. I am wondering what exactly Worst means by "Muppet"; is this a perjorative or an avi/name reference? And who does it reference?

[Light Ethos]

If I recall correctly, he was referring to your slot, but you'll have to look to be sure. the worst just uses names like calling Saudade dosage and sausage. I linked you to the claim. Read around it to see if you agree with my assessment and if you agree with where Saudade was coming from in voting him.

[Mister Rogers]

Just saw a VC:

Vote: Unvote

[Mister Rogers]

I have an idea! Look I am offering this because I think it has the potential to be VERY useful to town in two ways:

1) It CAN confirm Worst's role as town aligned
2) It CAN confrm Wortst's role as scum aligned
3) It CAN allow us to find scum by direct identification
4) It CAN allow us to find scum by PoE (scum read trapping)

So, what do you guys think about GUIDING THE GUNSMITH? Every night we tell him who to investigate and we do this by a vote. So we run a second votecount on who everybody wants to night investigate and when we have L-1 with intent to hammer, we firm up that list to 100% certainty on the target and lynch.

Eventually we can determine if we have scum Worst by his results, no?

[Mister Rogers]

MMMKay. Hadn't thought this one through enough. This is why Worst fakeclaimed this role as scum:

Gunsmiths are usually, but not necessarily, pro-Town. They are considered somewhat weaker than standard Cops and are usually included in setups where

they can get positive results on players who are not Mafia-aligned.

Ok back to analyzing the claim...

[Mister Rogers]

happy to provide links. I have very very obviously been crumbing tpr since I replaced in which is like 70% of the reason I'm not convinced anyone on this wagon is competent

I just ISO'ed you and the actual only "crumbs" I found came only when you were already under pressure and they aren't actual crumbs they are soft ATE's to try to get people to second guess their reads. Crumbs are defined as leaving clues as to your role long before you come under suspicion.

I also don't like your underhanded way of accusing my slot falsely:

anyway since this Muppet outed it

I'm literally a town gunsmith. I nearly cried when I saw this role.

Who outed what?

you outed me as a tpr.

When’s player guarantees they aren’t getting lynched, they outed yourself.

And I didn’t put you as a town Pr. I outed you as scum getting ready to fake a Pr.

Realy pr doesn’t make that kind of post. Sorry

Unless you can prove convincingly that the player in question is completely disingenuous and therefore only acting to rolefish as scum, you simply can't make this claim because town voted your wagon. Softclaiming to get people off your wagon is simply scummy and then accusing them for it just confirms how scummy it is.

So I don't think I like this claim.

I need to read Sauda as requested by LE and I need to investigate this entire wagon to see if I like it. If we agree that this is a fake claim, it is proper for town to lynch it; it is not a proveable role because the "proof" is always one night away and/or simply a false-positive anyway. Its almost as if its anti-town to even claim it.

As far as the WIFOM about oh but he ALREADY claimed this in another game -- Occam's Razor/Survival of the Laziest -- manditoe mention it and swim in the wine.

@all: Is there any way if we leave this slot alive we can positively use his role at all to benefit town?

[profii]

I wanna just lynch it tbh

[Mister Rogers]

Well I read up on Sauda and he quoted standard theory "We don't lynch claimed PR's D1..." but of course there is the exception being "...unless we believe it is a fakeclaim".

So I need the following to properly put this situation to rest for the day:

1) Neither myself nor FL could find any crumbs -- quote the crumbs duck?
2) I disagree with FL that the claim was done in a townie way and duck is obvtown here
3) Can anyone reader's digest me how his wagon got started for me?

[Saudade]

I think i just pushed his slot nonstop until people saw light

[Saudade]

Forget about lynching him though, not today.

[Mister Rogers]

I don't want to let him off the hook on the claims because AFAICT there are no actual crumbs?

[Mister Rogers]

Vote Count 1.8

Creature

ManateeDude

(2) -

Krazy #679

,

Doughboy #736

Naomi-Tan (1) -

The Worst

RockyHorror

#1448

Krazy (1) -

Flavor Leaf #757

Light Ethos (1) -

profii #1032

Crimson97 (1) -

Naomi-Tan #1134

Sashaddin (1) -

Saudade #1236

Saudade (1) -

FrankJaeger #239

UNVOTE/Not Voting (5) -

UC Voyager

Pernicious Parrot

#138

,

Crimson97 #774

,

Sashaddin #971

,

Creature

ManateeDude

#1170

,

Light Ethos #1233

Full vote record in the OP.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-09-20 20:00:00)

Mod Notes

Seeking replacements for both slots; deadline is extended by 72 hours as a result of the number of replacements, and will pause with 48 hours remaining if replacements are not found by then.
FrankJaeger is V/LA for (expired on 2018-09-13 12:00:00).
UC Voyager was prodded.
UC Voyager has not picked up his prod. Now seeking replacement.

[Mister Rogers]

@Mod: What is the status of FJ please because his VLA has expired? Am I correct that we are now seeking 2 replacements?

UNVOTE/Not Voting (5) - UC Voyager, Crimson97, Sashaddin, Creature, Light Ethos

Vote: Flavor Leaf

@Creature: You said you have scum reads, why aren't you voting them?

@Sahsadin: Can you please post your scum reads with reasoning?

@Light: I really like your recent posting but it has been 3 days since you voted, where should we be focusing here?

UNVOTE: Manatee For now.
I'll wait fro the next VC before voting again.

I agree with Saudade's sentiment that the worst was just "cruising" at first but he seems to be getting better now with reads and he claimed gunsmith so no way i'm voting a pr claim D1.

Hey i'm still here. Kinda busy with some stuff now but i'll post later.

Sir, you have been unvoting for a week? Is your game genuine in this thread?

What exactly happend to this thread where so many people are not voting/casing and like coasting?

[Creature]

VOTE: Krazy

[Creature]

MMMKay. Hadn't thought this one through enough. This is why Worst fakeclaimed this role as scum:

Gunsmiths are usually, but not necessarily, pro-Town. They are considered somewhat weaker than standard Cops and are usually included in setups where

they can get positive results on players who are not Mafia-aligned.

Ok back to analyzing the claim...

Gunsmiths can semi-clear most town roles though also their false positive tend to be confirmable if town anyway.

[Mister Rogers]

I don't see how that is possible without outing additional PR's?

"semi-clear" isn't clear?

I think the ability for the role to be actually proven is so remote and convoluted that it is impractical to consider it. What am I missing from your point?

A naked vote for Krazy? How is that helpful or genuine exactly?

[Saudade]

I don't want to let him off the hook on the claims because AFAICT there are no actual crumbs?

well I dont care, we're not lynching the worst.

[Saudade]

he's not being let off the hook, we keep him for tomorrow and see what happens then.