Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

[Creature]

Varsoon is a bad Lynch.

???

[Nosferatu]

How did Porkens become townread?

he did that thing he does

[Porkens]

I was just trying to make it easy for RC to replace out.

[Varsoon]

Kokichi's over hear publicly theorycrafting that the dude who enters D1 loud and making enemies might be scum with a powerful role.
That's cool, I majored in fiction, I get it, but can you give me a reads list, Kokichi?
Or, like, something? Anything?

This post is so fake.

Cool readslist.
Quality 10/10 engagement.

I already engaged with you enough and have determined you are scum. I gave you multiple chances to explain your reads and they all feel fabricated.

So when I explain them and it's not somehow good enough for you, what am I to do? Lie? Make up bullshit? Fuck off.
I want YOUR reads.

[Porkens]

This is town Fartsoon

[SirCakez]

Varsoon is a bad Lynch.

???

i've already talked about this

[Varsoon]

I'd really like if we could talk about other things, but, obviously, I'm a bit biased when it comes to that.

That said, Cakez, who do you think is a good lynch? What are your general thoughts on the game?
I haven't really heard much from you that's stuck with me.

[Varsoon]

Serious, though, what's up with this wack game momentum?
We've been playing a whole week and the largest thing to happen so far was my push and the interactions that came out of that.
Why isn't anyone else making waves?
I know scum are very likely to try to sit back and play their cards close to their chest due to the mechanical systems at play and because I'm town but damn

[xyzzy]

Gamma Emerald replaces RadiantCowbells.

this is xyzzy, your moderator, your best friend, and your sleepy friend. I just woke up from a nap!

votecount 1.17

4 players voting for Gamma Emerald (xRECKONERx, xRECKONERx, Varsoon, Porkens)
4 players voting for Varsoon (Shoshin, Kokichi Oma, Irrelephant11, Nosferatu)
2 players voting for Porkens (Gammagooey, Creature)
2 players voting for Gammagooey (skitter30, SirCakez)
1 player voting for Irrelephant11 (northsidegal)
1 player voting for xRECKONERx (Gamma Emerald)

0 players not voting for lynch

with 14 votes, it takes 8 to lynch.

4 players voting for Shoshin for Fantasy Gachapon (Irrelephant11, Gammagooey, skitter30, Gamma Emerald)
2 players voting for xRECKONERx for Fantasy Gachapon (Varsoon, xRECKONERx)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma for Fantasy Gachapon (Kokichi Oma)
1 player voting for Gamma Emerald for Fantasy Gachapon (Shoshin)

5 players not voting for Fantasy Gachapon (northsidegal, Porkens, Nosferatu, Creature, SirCakez)

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-09-24 17:00:00).

mod notes:

[Gamma Emerald]

So can anyone tell me what town use there is to the wand of switcheroo?

[Varsoon]

If you target scum then you're unkillable and unlynchable.

[Gamma Emerald]

No? They can lynch you through the person you target.

[Varsoon]

But if the person you target is scum, then scum can never mislynch you because a lynch on you will just lynch your target.
If people start to push out a lynch on your target, you can just claim the switcheroo and if people WANT to actually lynch your target, they can just lynch you instead

[Varsoon]

But if you DON'T claim the switcheroo and you get run up to lynch and you targeted scum, it's a free lynch on scum and buys you a day.

[Varsoon]

I also have a theory it might have cute interactions with self-targeting effects, but that's kinda NAI.

[Shoshin]

Hey NSG, assuming Irrelephant's town, what're your reads?

[Shoshin]

Two Gammas? That'll be confusing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Two Gammas? That'll be confusing.

Just call me Emerald, Gemerald, or GE.

[Gamma Emerald]

this is xyzzy, your moderator, your best friend, and your #1

Trolls 2

fan! for some reason I have to go watch

Trolls 2

in a couple years!

votecount 1.03

5 players voting for RadiantCowbells (Gammagooey, SirCakez, xRECKONERx, xRECKONERx, Porkens)
2 players voting for xRECKONERx (northsidegal, Irrelephant11)
1 player voting for Gammagooey for lynch (Shoshin, Creature)
1 player voting for Kokichi Oma (Nosferatu)
1 player voting for skitter30 (RadiantCowbells)

3 players not voting for lynch (Varsoon, skitter30, Kokichi Oma)

with 14 votes, it takes 8 to lynch.

1 player voting for Shoshin for Fantasy Gachapon (Irrelephant11)

12 players not voting for Fantasy Gachapon (xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, Varsoon, skitter30, northsidegal, Kokichi Oma, RadiantCowbells, Porkens, Nosferatu, Creature, SirCakez, Shoshin)

the current day will end in (expired on 2018-09-24 17:00:00).

mod notes: I interpreted 67 as a vote for RadiantCowbells, but to avoid ambiguity, please try to avoid nicknames that are distant from someone's actual username.

oh nvm the reason has arrived ok

What is xyzzy’s mod meta on double voters?

[Irrelephant11]

Catching up, anyone want to make it more fun by conversing/telling me what to look for?

My tone seems to have been giving skitter issues with read clarity on my slot, and I know that my infrequent schedule is likely to add to that. I was apologizing mostly for not being able to be here consistently, though, since I feel like consistent play is one of the best means of producing content that'll get you read clearly.

the schedule thing doesn't really matter much to me so long as you don't like randomly disappear into the aether; your activity is fine imo

but yeah i'm having trouble parsing the tone thing conclusively either way

i'm going to admit to being a little paranoid that you're being conciliatory/non-aggressive to me cuz i was willing-to-hear-you-out and it's making me wonder if you're like trying to like get me on ur side or to like pocket me a bit if that makes sense

@SirCakez: In my experience, Porkens is far more madcap and frustrating.

does he usually like read the game?


==

Skitter, what're your reads?

something like

{}
{irrel, you}
{kokichi}
{nsg, reck, nos, gamma, creature, sircakez} - null
{porkens}
{}
{}

i don't know where to put rc or varsoon right now

pretty sure all of {you/irrel/kokichi} are town

nsg i'm not super good at reading and doesn't have enough content either way; i want to scumread her for inactivity/apathy but i've been told that's not hte right way to read her even though that seems to work for me, so idk; either way she doesn't have enough content really

i feel like nos is the sort of player whose playstyle i don't know how to read; nothing he's said has been ai much; i've only played with him once and i was scum and he was in a hydra and lurked for half the game so that overall id on't think that's going to be super helpful here

i don't really have thoughts on gamma, he just kinda is; same with sircakez really

reck's role i think is marginally more likely to be town but i dont' particularly townread his play; overall i don't feel super strongly about him either way

i feel underwhelmed by creature but it's only been a couple of irl days and his sig literally says he can't post on thursdays so he can have a few more days

porkens is kinda wtf-y and i kinda gut scumread him for his ~RVS posts and his later posts are bad but they're bad to the level of almost being comical and they indicate that he isn't really reading the game and idk unless he like legit hates scum and doesn't care enough to bother going through the motions of reading the game i don't know what he's doing here as scum.

like voting someone because 'you say i'm null/towny but vote for me anyways so it sounds like you want to get a wagon on me' or something to that effect when gamma hadn't said that is just like ... bad but i feel like scum would want to accurately find out why they're being voted instead of just vaguely skimming things so that they can respond apropriately? but i feel like town would care about that too so overall idk right now; like i kinda scumread him but i'm not sure if what he's doing actually comes from scum if that makes sense

i don't really like rc's side of his fight with varsoon and i don't much like the aftermath either and i don't know why it's a fight to begin with and he seemed to have put words into varsoon's mouth and his reaction to being scumread is to replace out is kinda bad but idk if that's ai really for him. or at least, ai in ways that i can read. and i think i'm just going to wait till after he's replaced to try to figure the slot out because i don't think i can read him super well anyways with any sort of confidence

and varsoon i didn't like his kokichi case but i kinda like many of his later posts and he seems kinda sincere to me; i'm still working on coming to a firm conclusion but i'm tending town for now

i don't super feel like i have a very good grasp on this playerlist yet and i have a lot of nullreads but idk how to read the things they've posted thus far

pretty sure all of {you/irrel/kokichi} are town

Why Irrelephant & Kokichi?

irrelephant because he keeps on bringing up things at just the same time i was thinking them (188 + much of 172 + 417)

+ tone feels good (ie feels very relaxed + carefree + non-agenda-y + go-with-the-flow-y)

+ his read on u and rc in extension make a lot of sense given past games (ie american presidents mafia and how he treated you there)

kokichi because i think trying to tie the gacha thing is town-motivated + how he defended doing so + his outrage at varsoon not understanding him felt real

==

@varsoon i don't have a serious case on porkens beyond what i just said; not entirely sure how to get someone to engage when they're clearly not reading the game tbh

I want to be wrong but something about you feels more mechanical than usual
Also I'm a little surprised you find me easy to read now
Also I'm bad at reading you so we'll see where this goes

you think that the townread on reck is really just something he kind of made up? i couldn't imagine why. it seemed to me like something else was going on there.

Curious what this means. I read the rest of this conversation and still don't understand

We have plenty of strong enough townreads to go PoEing this game.

Hoping this is true. I am townreading creature

[SirCakez]

I'd really like if we could talk about other things, but, obviously, I'm a bit biased when it comes to that.

That said, Cakez, who do you think is a good lynch? What are your general thoughts on the game?
I haven't really heard much from you that's stuck with me.

I have a big pool of null and then a few townreads (RC slot, you, Shoshin, Irrel) and a few scumreads (Gammagooery and Porkens). P much everyone else null. I guess Reck is a little scummy but it could also just be anger at RC that I'm reading wrong.

[Irrelephant11]

Oh hi SirCakez
What are some important things that have happened in your opinion? Anything very alignment spewy? I especially see you're townreading Varsoon. Why?

[SirCakez]

His casing and attack are genuine (his reasons aren't great but that's not really important).
I don't believe Varsoon as scum would put himself out this far this early.

Basically this. And he reads very genuine and his frustration seems real.

Important things that have happened are a group attempt to wagon Varsoon and then Reck v RC which ended with RC being force replaced. I can't think of many really significant events. RC was driving most of the game's activity tbh.

[Irrelephant11]

Do you think shoshin's points against varsoon hold any water?

I see the argument and am mostly skimming it now...

[Irrelephant11]

lol

If Irre is town we have a pure wagon on Varsoon.

I had this thought

VOTE: porkens

i'm fine with this wagon. i know that porkens is normally kind of a zany guy but here it feels more like he's using that as an excuse for not actually doing anything rather than just having it be a part of the way that he scumhunts and plays the game. i suppose it's possible that i'm speaking from an outdated picture of how he plays, but for now i'm fine with it.

Interesting. This over any townreads?

What's your readslist?

don't really have anything all that specific

creature, sircakez, shoshin, maybe nosferatu town

reck and porkens scum

you've probably already read what i said but i kind of lean towards your slot being more likely town

looking at the playerlist irrelephant is someone whose posts i don't actually really remember reading, which might be indicative in itself

Yeah I mostly haven't been here, did you go and check after saying this? Like sometimes I think this and it turns out it's just 'cause of posting style or v/la or their profile picture looking similar to another player who I attributed all their posts to. The fact your vote is on me based on this (?? I'm watching for a case) is bad.

A case on me

This whole case relies on me being better at town than I am. RC knows I'm only average at town (though I do try hard), and in the process of writing this case blows a lot of things out of proportion & scumreads not understanding my mindset. We're just different people.
But also, mostly I'm quoting this post so I can say #calledit. I express my townread on him is just so he'll leave me alone, and that I have a scumlean, aaaaand suddenly I pop into his scumreads. Whatever. Makes me not want to read RC posts (but I will, don't @ me).

VOTE: Irrelephant btw

lol

I'm accepting that my slot is going to be the lynch because of how much I'm going to call out scum over the next few posts and I won't feel too bad about it.

My

word

this is ott.

This is gonna be a lot less detailed because it's mostly gut, but this read is only minimally less certain than the one that preceded it. It's just a lot more gut and a lot less easy to explain.

@koki & RC - why do you think NSG is likely scum here? Cause her reads and posts that she's made so far seem perfectly fine to me, the only real complaint I'd have about her is that she doesn't seem as aggressive about her reads as she was in the one town game I've seen her in but I think that makes sense given that game was a large and this is a mini that just started this week.

not personally I don't think, reck vs pie in face-to-face mafia is pretty magical though

if you're confident enough to basically declare "If I'm wrong about this I'm scum and you should lynch me" then I can mayyybe deal with it but otherwise I'd much rather see you actually try to explain it through whatever combination of gut feeling descriptions and playstyle quirks that you can.

That 'one complaint' thing is textbook scum talking about town that other town are pushing: set yourself up as townreading them but being 'open enough' to being persuaded to justify a transition if the case is good enough to get a lynch through. The second one is full on scum!Gamma hoping that I'm wrong and willing to all in on this and take a mislynch.

Also, I disagree with NSG that Nos feels town (what's "natural" about calling RC scummy and then doubling down with shitposting?), and I don't see where Gamma got the idea that Nos scumread RC for spamposting nor do I see how his logic makes any sense?

he's not scumreading RC for spamposting as far as I can tell

RC was spamposting early on (or at least had the most posts in the game at the time with content that I think was meaningless) and Nos trying to irritate that type of player early just seems dumb to do as scum.

This is a lazy TMI read on town: I've seen scum come up these kinds of reads a ridiculous amount.
Would it possibly be town? Yes- but tonally it feels scum even though I can't do much to substantiate that.

Not going to copy in quotes but I don't think that town!Gamma would be as invested in fighting the Creature townread, I think that it's fairly likely to come from Scum!Gamma who isn't happy about the number of mutual townreads flying around making the lynchpool extremely scarce.

Like his best post so far is #113 which is fine but not amazing and everything else feels between null and bad, and given the amount of people scumreading him to some extent it feels like we can make a real actual wagon happen even though nobody else is actually voting him right now.

The phrasing of this is just really scummy, I think a few other people touched base on it.

so varsoon having a weird-ass read on reck seems well within what he could do as either alignment and I feel like half of the last like 8 pages has just been people spiraling off of that into deeper and deeper quoteholes with him and whoever he's arguing with scumreading each other. varsoon had a pretty good point deep in there about RC playing dishonestly given RC's posts saying that varsoon was townreading him when he never did and this 'reasonable dude vs horrible assholes' thing

This is the holy grail thing that I think is basically scumfirming but fuck if I can explain it to anyone in a viable way.

I guess that's the best I can do here but there's a lot of stuff in this ISO that vibes scum and every mutual interaction with Irrelephant and I feel p confsies this is 2/3.

Kokichi is my best guess for the third.

I guess RC isn't here to talk about this but this case mostly just "he feels bad to me and if Irrelephant is scum so is Gamma" so I'm mostly going to ignore it. I'll look into the "fighting Creature townreads" thing later.

i made the mistake of not organizing my reads into a list at the start of the game so i cant remember my reads

I feel

My lynchpool is irrel gamma reckoner rn

@Creature, Cakez, NSG, Nosferatu

Can we really not lynch Porkens?

sure, i'm willing to put Lorne's off for later. thinking my lack of memory of irrelephqnt is likely indicative, can elaborate more later

VOTE: irrel

this
this is why you're voting me?
Anyone else feel like they can confidently read nsg? 'Cause now I'm starting to feel like nsg and RC's slot are scum together and RC only pushed on her out of "I can read her well" obligation until he realized most townies didn't feel the same so he could drop it and they could townread each other
Outside of this v weak vote from nsg though I think I remember nsg looking towny so maybe I'm just annoyed

Irrelephant strongly prefers scum and plays with much more of an agenda than he's had here.

to the rescue!