Mini 2032: Children of Hurin Mafia - Game Over

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VOTE: Nero Cain

self defence :>
hi all

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pretty snuggly abd relieved we rolled town so I don't have to hide behind Nancy
how bout you Tora?

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VOTE: snuggly quackdrew 39
what an awful name

what an awful attitude!!!

Jk, nice to see you NK15.

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VOTE: Frozenaga

why did you join the Frozenaga wagon? very keep to slip into your brain here

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keep

keen?

yes : ] thank you
I nearly mistype brain as brian too l0l

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This is hands down, the best name on the site.

eh.....


/in to lynch that

VOTE: Nero Cain

self defence :>
hi all

d e f i n i t e l y
also I think he's fairly easy to read now I've seen his town and scum game so always nice to put a bit of a squeeze.

I'd really really appreciate it if you'd be open to explaining your vote.

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I'm slightly overexplaining my rvs vote to encourage FFT to open up. it's not actually all that relevant, no

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Hydra vs hydra. Fight to the death

SO MANY HEADS SO LITTLE TIME

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I'd really really appreciate it if you'd be open to explaining your vote.

Why does it matter to you so much as to why I'm voting frozenaga?

it's like
fairly disturbing that both heads of your hydra have just watched both heads of that hydra powertowning in Heroes Wanted and when you charged into the thread to be the second vote on a wagon your reaction was to wagon that over us or Nero

waaht

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it's like
fairly disturbing that both heads of your hydra have just watched both heads of that hydra powertowning in Heroes Wanted and when you charged into the thread to be the second vote on a wagon your reaction was to wagon that over us or Nero

waaht

I do what I want and that's never stopped me from voting someone before.

Also, it's not like either of them powertowned here yet, so why does any of this matter?

Explain to me how 'charging into the thread to be a second vote on a wagon' is oh so demanding of your (or anybody else's) attention.

compared to other assorted lolcat tier rvs votes? this was definitely the most interesting one! on what planet is this not worth anyone's attention? I respect a bit of discrediting rhetoric as much as the next bloke but this is clearly a worthwhile conversation. I find it kinda hard to believe neither of you have any feelings about that hydra given its heads are badasses. my initial push was definitely reachy but your response feels caught and lacking.
VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time

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keep

keen?

Was it this one? ^~^

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Also, Also, People powertowning as town on a previous game doesnt mean they cant roll scum in this game.
Kinda concerned about someone defending someone that hasnt got content yet, regardless of frozenaga's alignment.

this is kind of misreppy and I'm like 99% sure you know it lmao
I'm more concerned with the mindset of someone who carelessly rvs votes someone with no reason who they know currently has a strong towngame, let alone two people

vs my towngame is ~ok and Nancy is probably a bit better but definitely stronger as scum imo

Nero Cain should always be high in sorting priority because he's a fairly easy read

so it just seems like a really bizarre way to enter the game. that's pretty much fine I can accept a l0lrvs vote but your reaction to me pushing was so cagey I'm actually starting to feel bad about your slot.

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dam this magnifying glass and hairdo is making me smart as shit
Nancy you were onto something!

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update: Nero sounds towny and scumreads us
we are locktown
thanks all, bbl

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Nero Cain should always be high in sorting priority because he's a fairly easy read

Why should he be high in sorting priority if he's fairly easy read?
He can probably sorted without me needing to do anything anyway.

you have already admitted you didn't think about it this hard fam why are you backpedalling and inserting thought into what you've already basically confessed you didn't think about? >_>

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I'm just posting @ your hydra in general
you're defending and justifying Brian's vote which you obviously had no influence over for... what reason?

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I'm voting brain hydra because I felt them asking a question with a question instead of answering said question first was a bit on the defensive side this early.

which is the pertinent part, and which is why I liked your vote on them.
this has all been the worst btw nd39 is busy atm

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The worst why do your posts sound like you're trying to be a smart professor or some shit. Normally you have a very loose laid back tone but here it's just dif. Is it cause you're in a hydra or like? I'd like to know

I'm in a bad mood and I found scum on page 1 so I feel smarter than I actually am

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:0 I have two townreads how exciting!

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Because I'm the pretty one.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

you think I'm the pretty one?

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he's scum with FFT and is currently LOSING HIS SHIT

pedit: l0l nvm

bitch I'm hard defending FA_Q2

alright fine calling him scum w FFT was a meme

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Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

5 less posts
each one is squirmy and too defensive

check my ISO for relentless firebreathing

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I'm voting brain hydra because I felt them asking a question with a question instead of answering said question first was a bit on the defensive side this early.

which is the pertinent part, and which is why I liked your vote on them.
this has all been the worst btw nd39 is busy atm

Yeah sorry tw, I’ll try to be a better teammate and pull more weight. I think I have a slight case of Mafia burnout atm but I promise to make it up to you and everyone else in the game, so please be patient with me. <3

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Brian naked voted tora's hydra. TW comes in and is all like "its so fishy that you are voting a a hydra with decent players in it" Hana says she's concerned that he's defending a slot that had no content. TW cries misrep, even though there wasn't one.

like this is scum, pls kill it or risk dying when he flips scum.

like you aren't even questioning my perception of the events here. You tried to buddy up to tora, got called on it. You're scum and need death.

????
how drunk are you? idk what the fuck Frozenaga's alignment is meant to be yet and I have no opinion on their slot whatsoever. it's FFT that I think is scum.

Anyway I spent all my time earlier explaining themselves. if anyone else wants to ignore what's obviously going on the way you are that's fine w me I'll just keep doing my thing.

also fuck off if you think I'mma lurk through anything. look at your bestie FFT who has suddenly disappeared when I correctly called them out for bullshitting. I'm at work right now yet I've still been sinking as much time as I can into this game? at the exclusion of other onsite activity? sorry but where the fuck do you get off thinking I'm lurking?

I'm actually annoyed because I'm leaning town on you. it's just fucking offensive how little attention you're paying and how unabashedly you're peddling anti town bullshit and we're what like 5 pages in?

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Which head of snuggly has been talking

only TW except the one post from Nancy confirming she's been busy

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idk what the fuck Frozenaga's alignment is meant to be yet and I have no opinion on their slot whatsoever.

ok then I'm not understanding why you cared about a 2nd vote on them or why you'd be all up in his grill for voting a hydra consisting of 2 players that played decently well in ANOTHER game. Like that has no relevance at all so it looks like buddying to me.

so what do you think was going through Brian's head when he threw the vote down? that's what I'm challenging here.

And I do think our posts are kind of hard to tell apart.

^ same here, but also very comfortable to just address you guys as a single combined slot and letting the two of you work out if there's stuff you should/n't reply to

- tw

quack quack

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so what do you think was going through Brian's head when he threw the vote down? that's what I'm challenging here.

I don't think it matters and you still haven't explained why you think it does matter.

I think its p simple here, you tried to buddy them and you got caught with your hands in the cookie jar.

I've constantly explained what the problem is.
They threw down a l0lrandom vote in rvs on a slot with 2 good town players in it.
I called it bad because they shld know better and probably exaggerated my case a bit but we rekt rvs in 5 seconds flat ao fucking sue me

look at their reaction to that tho
like Sakura going back and trying to overjustify her hydra buddy's own rvs vote?
the fact they're active lurking when caught?

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Okay, just popping in to say, I’m liking Nero, FA_QT and Maria for town.

~Nancy

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They threw down a l0lrandom vote in rvs on a slot with 2 good town players in it.
I called it bad because they shld know better

Why should RVS wagons be on only bad players?

like Sakura going back and trying to overjustify her hydra buddy's own rvs vote?

so. your hydra partner is cool with what you are doing.

Hey Nero, just saw this. We haven’t compared reads yet, so you actually know as much as I do about TW’s thoughts so far, which is on me, since I have been extremely distracted since Monday and feel kind of guiilty about that. I personally don’t have any scumreads yet, since I have yet to read the entire game. I will probably have a more time next week

~Nancy

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I think sakura is town, IDK what brian wrote.

I'm more concerned over the worst and I didn't like the few posts nancy made

-tor

Hey Tor, what didn’t you like about my posts? Do you not agree that Nero, FA_QT and Maria are likely town but that’s as far as I’m caught up.

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I'm begging someone to help me get into this game

+1

*takes a number*.

I am so lost.

~N

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Porkens (1): Frozenaga
Frozenaga (2): Fuwa Fuwa Time, Creature
Fuwa Fuwa Time (3): snuggly quackdrew, FA_Q2, MariaR
Quackers (1): Not Known 15,
CreativeMod1 (1): Nosferatu
Not Known 15 (1): CreativeMod1

Not Voting (3): Kokichi Oma, Porkens, Pernicious Parrot

guess im no longer in this game.

That's my bad, I misinformed Jeanne and had your vote missing. it is supposed to appear after the comma on the "Quackers" vote.

I'll message her to get this changed asap.
Sorry again!

Please change it from “Quackers” to “snuggly”, Kthanx.

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VOTE: CreativeMod1

POLICY VOTE

Why?

~N

I hate signing. :/

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I'd really really appreciate it if you'd be open to explaining your vote.

Why does it matter to you so much as to why I'm voting frozenaga?

Hi. Glad I made it into the game.

Allow me to introduce myself as your Ultimate Supreme Leader. This should be a fun game. Nee-heehee~

-Bows down- Must protect supreme leader

VOTE: snuggly quackdrew 39
what an awful name

VOTE: Not Known 15
Ducks are adorable, lets not kill any ducks

VOTE: CreativeMod1

POLICY VOTE

Not sure on what policy but ouch

it's like
fairly disturbing that both heads of your hydra have just watched both heads of that hydra powertowning in Heroes Wanted and when you charged into the thread to be the second vote on a wagon your reaction was to wagon that over us or Nero

waaht

I do what I want and that's never stopped me from voting someone before.

Also, it's not like either of them powertowned here yet, so why does any of this matter?

Explain to me how 'charging into the thread to be a second vote on a wagon' is oh so demanding of your (or anybody else's) attention.

compared to other assorted lolcat tier rvs votes? this was definitely the most interesting one! on what planet is this not worth anyone's attention? I respect a bit of discrediting rhetoric as much as the next bloke but this is clearly a worthwhile conversation. I find it kinda hard to believe neither of you have any feelings about that hydra given its heads are badasses. my initial push was definitely reachy but your response feels caught and lacking.
VOTE: Fuwa Fuwa Time

I just know that this degree of defensiveness is unusual for either head, based on meta but I would be suspicious anyway.

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Nero Cain should always be high in sorting priority because he's a fairly easy read

Why should he be high in sorting priority if he's fairly easy read?
He can probably sorted without me needing to do anything anyway.

I had literally just got on to comment about TWs post but Hana beat me to it. Nancy hasn't even been here to AtE all over everything and I already want t kill this slot.

That’s not very nice, no really. I should link you to a TW scum game. He’s almost as bad as you are. I mean really really bad at scum. How is he playing any differently here than in Heroes?

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it's like
fairly disturbing that both heads of your hydra have just watched both heads of that hydra powertowning in Heroes Wanted and when you charged into the thread to be the second vote on a wagon your reaction was to wagon that over us or Nero

White-knighting and buddying.

I find it kinda hard to believe neither of you have any feelings about that hydra given its heads are badasses.

more buddying.

this is kind of misreppy

no its not.

Nero Cain should always be high in sorting priority because he's a fairly easy read

Translation: let me spend all my time pretending to sort Nero so I don't actually have to scumhunt.

update: Nero sounds towny and scumreads us
we are locktown
thanks all, bbl

discredit.

Okay, yeah I see it. I don’t have a read on either yet but I can see why you think tw is buddying. But I’m still catching up.

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FA's reaction is just what I expected if my reads were correct, hmm need to talk with Brian.
But FA's probably town while duckdra is probs scum.

-Sakura

Note: Seems like Brian signed twice with different letters for some reason

FA's reaction is just what I expected if my reads were correct, hmm need to talk with Brian.
But FA's probably town while duckdra is probs scum.

-Sakura

Note: Seems like Brian signed twice with different letters for some reason

I read nothing and I already think that you're town and duck is scum

-tor

Nope, you’d be very wrong here. To roll scum with you, FA and Sakura would be a nightmare. I don’t want to elaborate too much on this because of trust tell rules or something. But like that would be 6 degrees of hell.

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so yeah it just looks like some big bullshit to me and not a real hunt. But I can see that coming from the town you since it happened really early in the day. I need to discuss this with tora.

also

If anything, I think that if you seriously believe they could be a valuable asset to us, then you should at least understand the concept that it would actually be more beneficial to get said players sorted early on (or we can just lynch outright lynch them if they're scum).

mafia 101:

you need to start conversations to sort people based on. Not to vote them. it's just a wrong culture that only exists on ms.

~Frozen

Really, you don’t think this happens on MU?

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Is it cause you're in a hydra or like? I'd like to know

u sure you aren't scum with him?

I could be. Vote me and find out~

reading into maria's personality as town here. she can totally write similar things as scum but just the way she is engaging the thread and then daring people to vote her comes across very natural. I might be wrong on her, she always fools me, but I'm strong townreading her and I'm not ashamed to eventually be wrong.

:0 I have two townreads how exciting!

if it's maria and cain, you're doing it right

FA is asleep so toranaga is the one posting until she announces otherwise

how is everyone today?

FA is not allowed to steal that tag this time

They don't even have the name in this game...

but I call her FA since forever :/

you're Q2 to me

Brian naked voted tora's hydra. TW comes in and is all like "its so fishy that you are voting a a hydra with decent players in it" Hana says she's concerned that he's defending a slot that had no content. TW cries misrep, even though there wasn't one.

like this is scum, pls kill it or risk dying when he flips scum.

like you aren't even questioning my perception of the events here. You tried to buddy up to tora, got called on it. You're scum and need death.

this is nero cain as fuck, this guy is town

Maria, Caine and QT. Have you any familiarity with scum!Brian or scum!Sakura at all? I only read the one game Wisdom linked. I just don’t get the whole defensiveness thing. I dunno if it’s scummy but it just seems a bit silly to me. Discussion of voting, signing etc. In Heroes for example, Sakura only got defensive for justifiable reasons and I can’t really recall Brian doing that.

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I think having us as high priority sorting slot doesn't make sense cause we're not that easy to read in contrast with most players in this game

This doesnt make sense?
You obviously prioritize harder to read players because the others you dont need to do anything to sort them to begin with.

-Sakura

by voting us in RVS? :/

like, voting us in RVS will literally just upset FA regardless of our alignment, but yeah sure. I'm prioritizing easy to read players so I can create a confident POE as it's day 1 etc.

I really think all the hydras are town fwiw. I can see the nitpicky reasons you're pushing each other but they're not really scummy things and just make you all look town motivated in your posting.

-tor

You read defensiveness as townie? , then you’ve forgotten about my play in Heroes. If I had no meta to base it on, I could think it was just a playstyle difference but I do, so until I can think of a townie reason for it, I won’t unvote.

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like, voting us in RVS will literally just upset FA regardless of our alignment

What, i thought FA has an easier time reading people that engage with her.
Did I misremember?

-Sakura

Okay, I like this post. This sounds more like Heroes you.

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Okay, just popping in to say, I’m liking Nero, FA_QT and Maria for town.

~Nancy

I don't really see Q2 as town yet, can you explain this?

-tor

Yeah for some reason I thought they had more posts but I do like what little of it there is.

I told you why for FFT. Duck is active and not pulling any punches. Not really something I would expect for scum this early.

Just a natural tone. Scum sounds more contrived like Titus in Heroes.

your thoughts on what's going on in the game?

Duck is fine for now. Not so sure about FFT...

Not a bad place to start VOTE: fft

Seems hesitant to actually go into reasoning.

pedit: Can you give me one damn second nero.

Natural sounding. I wish they had more posts like this that weren’t referencing us. Sakura is sounding townier now with her FA question. In Labrynth Creature refused to answer questions and give reads, so I usually find unjustifiable uncooperativeness/defensiveness to be suspect.

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reading into maria's personality as town here. she can totally write similar things as scum but just the way she is engaging the thread and then daring people to vote her comes across very natural. I might be wrong on her, she always fools me, but I'm strong townreading her and I'm not ashamed to eventually be wrong.

Like..no no no no
Ufo of all people should not be the person hard townreading me. He should be the one

questioning

townreads on me. He knows how good my scumgame is and the fact he townreads me like this unnerves me. Hell I would've tr this hydra if Tor/Frozen were like "this would be towny but it's Maria" (I fucking hate that line of logic but I expected it from them)

Lol, tbf Maria, If you ever play again like you did in Hourglass, I will 100% powerlynch you. You are so obviously more natural and genuine here. Can you really not see the difference? You were so fake in Hourglass, there really is no comparison.

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My gut tells me "don't trust the duck!

Don't ignore me quackers

Okay, not ignoring you and your gut needs a good juice cleanse. XD

~ snuggly, names matter

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VOTE: snuggly quickdrew39

It's a small cemetery, h t it has a fabulous ossurey

Bad vote, we’re town.

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VOTE: Snuggley quackdrew 39 my apologies

It’s Snuggly Quickdraw.

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VOTE: Snuggley quackdrew 39 my apologies

It’s Snuggly Quickdraw.

Still a terrible vote.

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There r no scum on Page 1

My gut tells me "don't trust the duck!

Don't ignore me quackers

VOTE: snuggly quickdrew39

It's a small cemetery, h t it has a fabulous ossurey

VOTE: Snuggley quackdrew 39 my apologies

Do you have any reasons for voting us other then your gut?

I don’t see any reasoning or thought process put into this at all.

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You are gaslighting me, but it will not be effective.

What? Do you even know what word means?

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You are gaslighting me, but it will not be effective.

What? Do you even know what word means?

gas·light
ˈɡaslīt/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting
manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
"in the first episode, Karen Valentine is being gaslighted by her husband"

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Can we talk about extreme overreactions for a hundred, Alex?

I hope TW won’t be mad at me but I don’t know how FFW is scummier than you are?

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Also, Also, People powertowning as town on a previous game doesnt mean they cant roll scum in this game.
Kinda concerned about someone defending someone that hasnt got content yet, regardless of frozenaga's alignment.

Nero Cain should always be high in sorting priority because he's a fairly easy read

Why should he be high in sorting priority if he's fairly easy read?
He can probably sorted without me needing to do anything anyway.

Nero Cain should always be high in sorting priority because he's a fairly easy read

Why should he be high in sorting priority if he's fairly easy read?
He can probably sorted without me needing to do anything anyway.

you have already admitted you didn't think about it this hard fam why are you backpedalling and inserting thought into what you've already basically confessed you didn't think about? >_>

Uhh, can you please translate that to english for me? xD

Okay, like the first 2 posts and as for the 3rd, sorry I’m not fluent in duckspeak.

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Eh, I don’t want to vote FFT, I want to vote Porkens. I’ll have to discuss it with tw.

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Eh, I don’t want to vote FFT, I want to vote Porkens. I’ll have to discuss it with tw.

Okay, TW said I don’t need his consent. He’s a very democratic duck. <3

UNVOTE:

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You are gaslighting me, but it will not be effective.

VOTE: Porkens

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Eh, I don’t want to vote FFT, I want to vote Porkens. I’ll have to discuss it with tw.

he'll approve

voting scum is always the way

Yes, but I don’t want to fighting heads. XD

Porkens is giving me Labrynth TPFKAP vibes here.

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I'm half asleep but reasons vote pork:
Overreactions.
Done

+1

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I have words for you nancy. But better said not half asleep.
Gn

If this is about my meta comment, sorry if it rubbed you the wrong way but I stand by what I said. I wouldn’t have townread you in Hourglass, had I played this game with you first.

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VC the Lynch

Porkens (7): Frozenaga, Nosferatu, Fuwa Fuwa Time, MariaR, snuggly quackdrew, Not Known 15, Porkens
Not Known 15 (2): CreativeMod1, Kokichi Oma
Frozenaga (1): Creature
Fuwa Fuwa Time (1): FA_Q2
snuggly quackdrew (1): Nero Cain

Not Voting (1): Pernicious Parrot

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VC the Lynch

Porkens (7): Frozenaga, Nosferatu, Fuwa Fuwa Time, MariaR, snuggly quackdrew, Not Known 15, Porkens
Not Known 15 (2): CreativeMod1, Kokichi Oma
Frozenaga (1): Creature
Fuwa Fuwa Time (1): FA_Q2
snuggly quackdrew (1): Nero Cain

Not Voting (1): Pernicious Parrot

VOTE: Pernicious Parrot

Just temporarily. I’m curious to see reactions.

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VC the Lynch

Porkens (7):

Frozenaga, Nosferatu, Fuwa Fuwa Time, MariaR, snuggly quackdrew,

Not Known 15, Porkens
Not Known 15 (2): CreativeMod1, Kokichi Oma
Frozenaga (1): Creature
Fuwa Fuwa Time (1): FA_Q2
snuggly quackdrew (1): Nero Cain

Not Voting (1): Pernicious Parrot

VOTE: Pernicious Parrot

Just temporarily. I’m curious to see reactions.

Scum is probably either in Not Known or offwagon, since I can’t see why scum would bus their roleblocker early on D1.

Bolded, probably all town.

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you can't really call it a rxn test when you're stating it is one love

I suppose.

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happy is good

almost's angle for thinking pernicious is scum was towny of him

-tor

They subbed in for FFT right? That slot’s very likely town based on VCA.

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Frozenaga town already

VOTE: Frozenaga

???

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VOTE: creature

-tor

How sure are you on a scale of 1-10

I think I kinda misinterpreted creature

his thoughts about it are actually towny

not known/gamma is probably scum tho

VOTE: gamma emerald

Just putting it out there, you wrongly townread him in Heroes. I’m not giving anyone outside of the group of 5 Pork voters, an easy townread.

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VOTE: creature

-tor

How sure are you on a scale of 1-10

I think I kinda misinterpreted creature

his thoughts about it are actually towny

not known/gamma is probably scum tho

VOTE: gamma emerald

Just putting it out there, you wrongly townread him in Heroes. I’m not giving anyone outside of the group of 5 Pork voters, an easy townread.

Lol, actually Nos is dead town and myself, so that would mean - no one outside of FN, Maria or A50.

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I mean I don't wanna grill the mods or anything but they let n1 run for 4 days and didn't send people's roles after replacing them

none of the replacements were from people who got prods and IIRC no one got a prod.

I know what you're seeing but it feels more like a lil bit of disorganization alongside an unwillingness to find replacements than something AI for pernicious parrot

he could be scum though. I'm having a hard time finding even 2 scummy people amongst the posters.

also I hope everyone got a message that d2 started... I didn't.

We did but then I majorly pestered the mods.

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What's the reason he self hammered? Couldn't he have just allowed a partner to hammer if he thought him being hammered would give someone cred?

We don’t know but if there was bussing cred, NK/Gamma is the only likely possibility, for the reasons I’ve already mentioned.

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Is this ducky or drewy

Nancy. Ducky doesn’t know D2 started yet.

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@creature: is this about me, then?

I think Porkens and you weren't the only TMIing me.

Who else are you referring to? And how were you being TMI’d exactly?

[snuggly quackdrew 39]

Hi. Glad I made it into the game.

Allow me to introduce myself as your Ultimate Supreme Leader. This should be a fun game. Nee-heehee~

-Bows down- Must protect supreme leader

VOTE: snuggly quackdrew 39
what an awful name

VOTE: Not Known 15
Ducks are adorable, lets not kill any ducks

VOTE: CreativeMod1

POLICY VOTE

Not sure on what policy but ouch

This is the only post from CM.

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wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

assuming pig flips scum (because if town self hammered they should never come back) -

I have nero and FFT as most likely scum partners. Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it. FFT's vote there was rather lackluster and could easilly be bussing. I have not like FFT at all and the hostility with people asking for reasoning is anti-town at best, scum cover at worst and I am leaning scum there.

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering. Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

Nero's misrepping what I stated here:

Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

If activity was the source of my read you would have a point. Since that is clearly NOT what I said, you do not. Activity is not a tell one way or another. Pointing out post count is not relevant.

Why couldn’t NK15, not have placed that vote as scum? Pork was going down anyway, why couldn’t he have jumped on at the end for a liitle towncred?

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Hello all

I've just NOW received my Role PM (Jeanne must've forgot??), so this is why I couldn't post earlier.

Can somebody tell me why Pernicious Parrot hasn't posted at all, yet is still in the game and not getting attention?

Mods need to prod them. We need to find out if he is just slank town or scum hiding.

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Scum is in NK/Gamma, CM, Creature, PP I think.

Nero and Kokichi are probably town. FA_QT ???

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Did I say anything about that
You seem very concerned about TMI reads

I think FN intended that for Creature. You seem overly defensive in this post.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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VOTE: creature

-tor

How sure are you on a scale of 1-10

I think I kinda misinterpreted creature

his thoughts about it are actually towny[/b]

not known/gamma is probably scum tho

VOTE: gamma emerald

Just putting it out there, you wrongly townread him in Heroes. I’m not giving anyone outside of the group of 5 Pork voters, an easy townread.

What the fuck
I WAS Town in Heroes Wanted and he wrongly SCUMREAD me
This is two people who were in the game around that time, I see no way this isn’t a lie
VOTE: snugglydrew

You’re voting me based on misconstruing my post. I was referring to CREATURE NOT YOU.

This is like the second post directed to Creature, that you have incorrectly interpreted as being about you.

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Did I say anything about that
You seem very concerned about TMI reads

I think FN intended that for Creature. You seem overly defensive in this post.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Sweet. Read my posts again. Then read mod posts.

mod or Creative Mod?

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UNVOTE:
Okay then
Maybe it could be that the problem lie in you not actually specifying who you’re referring to?

I’ll try to be more clear in the future sorry. The post was about that I didn’t want to give Creature an easy townread and Tora got fooled by him in Heroes, so I wanted to be sure. Anyway, I want to correctly sort you and I think the 3 Pork voters are likely town by VCA and Nero and Kokichi by play. Nero has been obvtown since the beginning and when ISOed Kokichi, I thought her ISO to be very townie, so tnat leaves FA_QT, my 3rd strongest te on D1, you CM, Parrot and Creature for POE - outside chance of FA_QT.

I can’t see why scum early busses their roleblocker and you hopped on the wagon just before Pork hammered. So, those 5 are the only ones neither probable town by either VCA or play.

So. I’m trying to find scum in that group of 5 basically because I think it highly unlikely, it is in the top 5.

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Mod posts
Don’t get pissy at me for mixing people up if you can’t tell that, jfc

I don’t know what you’re talking about. What mod posts?

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hai

Hai Wisdom, did you sub into a scumslot?

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Do you not agree that Nero, FA_QT and Maria are likely town but that’s as far as I’m caught up.

These three are the people i like the least so far

Maria is obvtown by both VCA ans play. If you ever do a meta check on Nero, you can tell he’s probably town. FA_QT, had them as town on D1, the jury’s still out.

How can you dislike a player who was an early voter on a scum RB wagon?

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Mod posts
Don’t get pissy at me for mixing people up if you can’t tell that, jfc

I don’t know what you’re talking about. What mod posts?

Just look at what Ari/Jeanne posted after that
You’ll see why me being defensive doesn’t matter in that post

We’ll thinking you likely misconstrued Tora’s post as well.

UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Creative Mod

Ellitell. Need I say more?

Sheepng

VOTE: Creative Mod

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wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

assuming pig flips scum (because if town self hammered they should never come back) -

I have nero and FFT as most likely scum partners. Nero's bs in general had me pinging him as scum already and he looks to be avoiding the pig wagon while creating a counter even though he was active through it. FFT's vote there was rather lackluster and could easilly be bussing. I have not like FFT at all and the hostility with people asking for reasoning is anti-town at best, scum cover at worst and I am leaning scum there.

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering. Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

Nero's misrepping what I stated here:

Scum are plenty capable of being active and he only has 5 more posts than Brian's hydra. Why do those 5 posts make him not scummy but 5 less posts make Brian scummy?

If activity was the source of my read you would have a point. Since that is clearly NOT what I said, you do not. Activity is not a tell one way or another. Pointing out post count is not relevant.

Why couldn’t NK15, not have placed that vote as scum? Pork was going down anyway, why couldn’t he have jumped on at the end for a liitle towncred?

I didn't say that he could not have. I did say that it does not make sense to me. It does not make sense to me that both of the last votes there would be from scum unless there was some serious hate going on on their thread. Pork was not going down either. That self hammer was rather asinine. The game had barely started and pork was really the first wagon. It looks more like simply giving up to me more than anything.

Nero looks like porks most likely partner for the reasons that I pointed out eod.

VOTE: nero

Pork wasn’t going down, in what world?

Why would Pork and NK have to be on bad terms? This makes no sense whatsoever.

Why couldn’t scum have decided for NK to jump on for towncred before Pork hammer?

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you gots some real revisionist history going on. I was voting Snuggly even before Pork was first voted.

wtf is this. I cant leave for one damn day.

this is scum angry his buddy got lynched when he wasn't here.

Could be. His defense of NK is also kind of suspect. I’m not opposed to voting here.

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You state I could be a 'reasonable lynch' but don't actually have a vote there as though you are testing the waters and going for the low hanging fruit.

he's already voting someone he thinks is scum. Why should he switch?

My thoughts on Gamma are meh, he could be scum. I was coming into the day thinking that NK15 and FA_Q2 and Quack were the 3 scummiest. I could see 307 as maybe a bus and

I don't see NK15 placing that vote if he were scum though with pig hammering.

Same with NOS, posts don't make a lot of sense with pig scum.

makes then sorta kinda look like buddies. This (bold) kinda pinged my NKA radar.

I did say that it does not make sense to me. It does not make sense to me that both of the last votes there would be from scum unless there was some serious hate going on on their thread

this too. but at the same time I feel like a FA_Q2 saying that scum voting and then Pork hammering doesn't make sense is scum thats knows NK15 is town.

TBF, I didn't much like this.

(maybe not now though, I’m kinda addicted to YouTube rn)

but then I think he'd be kinda more LAMIST and not sure a scummy "oh, i'll catch up later" line.

Yep, mentioned Nos could definitely be a scumslip.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: FA_QT

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VOTE: almost 50

Why? FFT were early on Pork wagon. Considering she was roleblocker, it doesn’t really make sense.

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you can't really call it a rxn test when you're stating it is one love

I suppose.

you're both so cute

-tor

< 3

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I think I have a guilty.

I'll let the day go on for a while though.

Okay, Creature is probably town. Scum!Creature doesn’t usually make this kind of gambit.

Okay, new POE:

FA_QT
Gamma

Wisdom?

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Who did Wisdom sub in for again? Creative Mod or Parrot?

Both of those should still be in my POE but FA_QT linked themselves with NK/Gamma/Pork and most interestingly Nos.

So, I’d prefer to lynch in FA_QT and probably Gamma?

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Hey FAQ2, how do you feel about Wisdom?

Who do you think my guilty is?

I think I have a pretty good idea.

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Do you townread Kokichi?

You don’t? His ISO seems pretty villagery to me?

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Ive read everything and still dislike maria, nero and faqt
But yeah, notknown's l-1 was obvscum

VOTE: gamma

Though this is theorycrafting more than anything, this has been repeated several times by more than just you and I don't fully understand the logic here. You think the last 2 votes on an early wagon for the scum RB are both scum votes? There is likely one scum on that wagon and one off IMHO but I would venture a guess that the scum is more likely in the middle of that group - not the 2nd to last after pig self hammers.

Nah, not when that scum is RB and it’s only D1. What scumteam hardbuses their roleblocker night 1, unless their lynching is almost inevitable. This makes no sense.

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What the hell is ellitell?

Ellitell (2012): People who are active in all games save one are scum in said game.

I second frozen's opinion of that idea. I do not find activity a tell one way or another - particularly if it is compared to outside games.

Why assume that scum is going to be less active? This seems to be a common theme here on this site and is nonsensical to me. There is no reason that a scum would avoid being active unless they were trying to lurk a wagon away and even then site wide activity would really not be relevant in that case.

I don’t think that’s what Tor was saying at all. He was saying that “ellitelles” aren’t fair and should be disallowed, not that they’re necessarily irrelevant.

I agree with him btw. I wouldn’t lynch based on just that anyway.

You could conceivably be lowposting in a game because you dislike it for whatever reason. I actually have had my posting activity compared with different sites!

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Why assume that scum is going to be less active? This seems to be a common theme here on this site and is nonsensical to me. There is no reason that a scum would avoid being active unless they were trying to lurk a wagon away and even then site wide activity would really not be relevant in that case.

because you can post your genuine thoughts as town, while as scum you need to "think" of what to post. You can post your SRs naturally as town, but as scum you need to consume the effort to fabricate them. You do not know much as town and thus have nothing to hide, but as scum you do have knowledge and if you post more you could slip one way or the other.

You arguing against the ellitell as a whole is like you arguing against the amished tell as a whole, or virtually any other tell. But you can feel free to disregard it. I simply don't.

As for the D1 lynch wagon: Check this game out. It's a recent one. Basically Toranga was guiltied by BuJaber at the start of D2. We decided to go for his "unknown" partner instead. I figured it was Poseidon and Wh4t sheeped me (L-2). Toranaga tried to be smart by putting his p @L-1 to make us second guess our read, and Poseidon instantly hammered himself!

I could point you to other games where it's a bit more complicated than this, but it boils down to scum do self-hammer after seeing their p put them to L-1

That is a fair point. Scum usually takes a lot more time and planning in making their posts.

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Wisdom replaces CreativeMod1

NM, found it.

Parrot and their replacement - likely a non-factor anyway.

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Creature threw suspicion at 3 people, FA_QT, Wisdom and Kokichi - not Gamma.

I feel pretty good about Kokichi being town based on his ISO, so I think FA_QT may be whiteknighting NK/Gamma because they actually have TMI about them being town and because they actually know that the Pork wagon was alltown.

So based on both FA_QT’s hard defense of NK/Gamma - combined with Creature claiming a guilty on probably one of FA_QT, Wisdom, Kokichi, I’d say FA_QT and Wisdom are probably scum.

Kokichi has a number of posts that seem unlikely to come from scum.

At any rate, FA_QT is trying way too hard to defend NK/Gamma Pork wagon vote.

So, unless Creature has a guilty on one of the other two, my vote is staying on FA_QT.

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NM, Kokichi could possibly be scum, I suppose? I think NK/Gamma might be town.

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I have a lot of posts to respond to (after I’ve had some sleep) but I think my initial townread of Kokichi is probably right and Wisdom tunnelling Gamma and pushing Nero and his most recent posts are majorly pinging me so rn,

I just really really really want to kill Wisdom

.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wisdom

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Don’t get me wrong, I still think FA_QT probably needs to eat rope but for the sake of my vulnerable braincells that want commit Hari Kari everytime I read any of his posts:

VOTE: Wisdom

VOTE: Wisdom

VOTE: Wisdom

VOTE: Wisdom

VOTE: Wisdom

VOTE: Wsdom

VOTE: Wisdom

VOTE: Wisdom

VOTE: Wisdom

VOTE: Wisdom

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{creature, nero}
{fuwa, maria}
{quack, nn15, kokichi, parrot, frozen}

{cmod1, q2}
{porkens}

something like that

We should be sheeping this guy

+1

This is why Nos is dead.

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VC 2.2

Gamma Emerald

(3): frozenega 347,

Wisdom

445, Kokichi Oma 503

Wisdom

(3): Almost50 428, snuggly quackdrew 39 574, Nero Cain 578

Almost50

(1): MariaR 367

Nero Cain

(1):

FA_Q2

392

Not Voting

(3): Creature, ceejayvinoya, Gamma Emerald 422

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
D2 ends October 8/18 at 1:30pm or in (expired on 2018-10-08 13:30:00)

Mod Notes:

I have a cold

Scum is on Gamma and Nero. Nos is dead because he nailed the scumteam: Wisdom and FA_QT.

@Creature, if you, have a gulity on Wisdom, reveal it before Gamma (or even worse A50) gets mislynched. Kthanx.

Creature claimed a guilty on one of 3 people -

FA_QT, Wisdom

and

Kokchi

- all of whom were OFF (Pork) wagon and NONE of whom were GAMMA. Anyone who thinks Creature is faking a guilty - is either lying or knows jack about Creature meta. Creature is pretty mush the anti-Katsuki when it comes to making fake claims. I wolfed with him in Heroes, so for God’s sake, trust me on this. I’m also down with FA_QT but when Nos made his readslist, he obviously couldn’t have anticipated Wisdom subbing in for CM and he is the more dangerous of the remaining scum left in the game.

Trust, Nos, Maria, Nero, myself on this.

Gamma is not scum here

(neither is A50) and will likely flip green. Wisdom/FA_QT OTOH, will not.

I was right about Pork and I’m also right about Wisdom/FA_QT being the scum team. Sheep me on Wisdom.

*prays*

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typical nancy

haha

it is very typical nancy rn

I don't think nos died cause he caught all the scum d1 or anything like that fwiw

You will eat those words post-game. How many games have you played with Wisdom? I have played plenty. I have a hard gutread on Wisdom. He is not town here and hopefully Creature will confirm this.

If you really don’t believe this, then why Nos? Why did scum choose him? He figured this out before Pork lynch. So, scum was like debating who best to whack in scumchat and they ruled out the one guy who just happened to figure out the scumteam? Why would they do that?

SCUMCHAT: Scum #1: Crap, Nos had got us nailed dead to rights. What do?

Scum #2: Oh like why kill him dude?, lets whack someone who townreads us instead.

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typical nancy

creature doesn't have a guilty on me, nancy. Your erratic thinking pikely began there

likely*

You are not fooling me ever again. You pushing Nero is the same kind of crap you pulled on TW in Labrynth. You don’t even believe yourself that Gamma is scum here. I will find the posts that prove this. Oh and your shameless weird Maria pocket made me throw up in my mouth a bit.

If you don’t lynch this with fire now, he will turn all of your collective brains into swiss cheese. Why do we have to wait for green Gamma flip to see this?

Maria was right. Think about it. NK jumping on Pork right before Pork self-hammer doesn’t get him towncred at all and looks scummy. Why tf do you think scum!FA_QT is pushing the bullshit theory that scum is middle of of the pack? To frame A50 after Gamma green flip. Because he will undoubtedly get towncred for that and then try to laughably push Nero. I gotta give it up to Wisdom, pushing Nero here is ballsy but unfortunately for you, some of us can tell you’re flaming scum here and aren’t falling for this garbage.

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feeling better about faq2

He's better then that to insta call notknowns vote scummy when it was the most towny vote of them all (due to pork)

thats bs really
youre assuming that they coordinated it when it doesnt even look like they did

What is your interpretation of this then?

there was a lynch
Some people dont like early lynches

gamma is obv getting lynched so its pointless for faq2 scum to write off anything

full disclosure; i was recently scum with Maria and nobody was suspecting her, so you can get why id be wary of people handing her townreads

lol at nero trying to get people away from gamma while arguing with gamma

vote placement on porkens
you make sense as the middle vote, he makes sense as the l-1, but both is unlikely

no maria
you dont have to plan in order to bus
notknown just saw porkens was the lynch and hopped on thinking it'd give him credit
that requires no planning

Wisdom, I just won my 1st scumgame ever on MU and I guarandamntee you, we planned our final hammer. We didn’t plan everything but we did plan most EOD votes. No freaking way - and IDGAF how bad you think they are as scum - don’t plan this sort of thing. That you really think anyone would seriously believe that Pork and NK wouldn’t have planned this is mindblowing. Gamma’s gazillion dumbtells on Tor/my posts, CM not being in the game are extremely unlikely to come from scum. And your ridiculous Nero tunnel is beyond absurd. Either do a metacheck on Nero or ISO Sakura’s links in Heroes’s game. I don’t believe for one goddamned second that town!you would ever push Nero here. That is the #1 scumtell on you. No freaking way town!Wisdom scumreads Nero in this game. It’s also pretty clear that you have set your sites on pushing Gamma mislynch today and calling Nero/Gammaa interactions “scumtheater” is probably one of the wolfiest things I’ve ever see. you do. How so you account for both A) my 100% agreeing with him and 2) my very similar interactions with Gamma?

But you’re townreading me because I was on Pork wagon and Nero wasn’t. He has been obvtown since the beginning. You also know that Nero’s vote was on me, so why - according to you - aren’t I OMGUSSING tf out of him? Because, his reasons for voting me were townie. TW - as in Heroes got wrongly scumread by some people - so, there’s nothing remotely suspicious about that to me.

Wisdom pushing Nero, is the most obvious reason why he is scum here, plus FA_QT whiteknighting Gamma for L-2 Pork vote. God people, look at all of Gamma’s derps here. Since when does scum not know exactly who is currently in the playerlist?

Also read his and scum!Maria’s interactions ij hourglass. He had similar weird interactions like he’s doing with FA_QT here.

I have a hard scum gutread on Wisdom. I correctly nailed scum!Colin, SK!beeboy, scum!moth scum!SB on MU. I am not wrong about this. No way Wisdom is town and hardpushing Nero here. How is it obvious to practically everyone but Wisdom/QT that Nero is obvtown here? When is Wisdom ever this terribad as town?

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im flattered youre so paranoid of me but im not scum, nancy
Once again,

my scum game mirrors my towngame,

so yeah, youll find similarities regardless of my alignment

It’s NOT, that’s how I know you’re scum here.

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Okay Wisdom, since you

claim

to scumread FA_QT, would you be down with an FA_QT lynch over Gamma?

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Is Gamma antispew already?

Hey Nero

What's your read on me unconsidering the guilty?

Are you now saying it’s Gamma? Cah you just end the suspense already? I’m can’t believe I’m actually seriously debating whether or not Wisdom is blatant scum or mind-boggling hopelessly clueless town?

Nos was killed for a reason and I don’t believe that both Wisdom and FA_QT are town.

Creature seemsto be strongly hinting at Gamma nw but Gamma’s recent posts seem really townie to me.

UNVOTE:

I still think Nero is right about QT sounding angry - like he faled to stop Pork wagon or missed getting towncred from juming on it.

VOTE: FA_QT

I really do believe that Creature has a guilty but he I think he is testing reactions atm, so I’ll vote here for now - may jump back on Wisdom or Gamma - if Creature actually has a guilty on him. Meh

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Nancy, why isn't TW playing anymore? :/

We have been discussing the game. I don’t know why he hasn’t been posting. I’ll bug him. Lol

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mind-boggling hopelessly clueless town?

the idea of being good town doesn't cross your mind, huh

I think he might actually seriously believe Nero is scum here.

@Nero , are you buying this at all? Wisdom showed this kind of conviction on bad Moment push in Minuet but a lot of people were wrongly scumreading them.

Wisdom, Nero has asked you several times why you won’t vote for him and all you continue to do. is to shade Nero and push Gamma wagon. Why?

Wisdom ffs, IF you’re town here, seriously do. metacheck on Nero. I don’t buy your reasoning for scumreading them and I don’t understand why you even think they’re remotely scummy.

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I just want to know if he agrees with your vote.

I let him know. One of us will answer you.

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I still think Nero is right about QT sounding angry -

like he faled to stop Pork wagon or missed getting towncred from juming on it.

like Nancy is saying all the things I'm saying so we're either both town with similar thinking or she's scum thats parroting me. I lean the former though.

Wisdom pushing me as scum but not Nancy is selective scum hunting. I'm also p sure that in Deathnote when I attacked Harokmen Wisdom chainsaw defended him like he's doing with FAQ.

Good question. Wisdom, I have been having very similar interactions with Gamma and making nearly identical arguments, so why are you so confident that I am town here ans Nero is scum? Do you have any other reasons other than VCA?

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Wisdom, Nero has asked you several times why you won’t vote for him and all you continue to do. is to shade Nero and push Gamma wagon. Why?

TBF he's saying that the Gamma wagon is bigger which I don't think is exactly true. I haven't been doing VCs this game but my memory only thought there were like 2 Gamma votes.

I have no clue what the votecount is rn but I think the only vote on you is QT?

I know I really dislike Wisdom pushing but not voting you. A significant difference from Minuet, where he actually voted the same wagon he was pushing.

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VC 2.2

Gamma Emerald

(3): frozenega 347, Wisdom 445, Kokichi Oma 503

Wisdom

(3): Almost50 428, snuggly quackdrew 39 574, Nero Cain 578

Almost50

(1): MariaR 367

Nero Cain

(1): FA_Q2 392

Not Voting

(3): Creature, ceejayvinoya, Gamma Emerald 422

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
D2 ends October 8/18 at 1:30pm or in (expired on 2018-10-08 13:30:00)

Mod Notes:

I have a cold

This pings me hard. Why is QT - the only other player in this game scumreading Nero? Can this really be a total coincidence?

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Wisdom ffs, IF you’re town here, seriously do. metacheck on Nero. I don’t buy your reasoning for scumreading them and I don’t understand why you even think they’re remotely scummy.

Ive played with nero and thats precisely why I know hes scum here. Dont tell me to meta him.

I don't care if you're incapable of understanding basic things

, nero is still scum.

Oooh, this is beginning to sound like Labrynth Wisdom now.

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idk why im wasting my time
experience has showed im always better off ignoring you
Ill talk to tw if he thinks its needed

AtE fail, this has 0 effect on my reads. Do better.

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because youre obvtown and he is obvscum
Stop asking silly questions, youre different people and i read you differently

We’ve both been saying essentially the same things?

Why am I obvtown and Nero obvscum?

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btw
Recommended reading for whoever cant see nero is scum
Our isos from the last game i caught him and he did the exact same shit misrepping

I was in that game, remember? How in the actual fuck is Nero’s play here even in the same ballpark as Necromancer? If anything, this link just confirms my hard townread on Nero and is making me reconsider unvoting you.

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VOTE: snuggly

Creature, wtf are you doing here?

Do you even have a guilty on anyone?

Beacause, If you had one, you wouldn’t be voting me.

Or is it in fact Gamma and you are testing his reaction or something?

Like, I will claim eventhough it’s irrelevant at this point.

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It's a shame FAQ2 isn't here

So is it on QT then? Just tell him us already.

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VOTE: snuggly

b/c TW isn't posting?

Yeh

So what? We’re a hydra. I’ll go back bug him some more then but if he’s not online, wtf do you expect me to do?

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If you're scum there's nothing to do.

Awesome, since I’m not. I’m not scum every game you know. Do you seriously have a guilty on anyone? Why won’t you reveal it?

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I think you've been doing fairly well.

Wisdom not so much.

So, I was right then? It is on Wisdom?

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I have a guilty.

on

Wisdom

Knew it!

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Wisdom

I told you guys, he was scum. Lol

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I have a guilty.

on

Wisdom

NM, just checked the ACTUAL quotes.

I’m pretty sure you’re right though. Him getting mad, when I suggested he do a metacheck on you was priceless. No townie ever gets angry about something like that. Townies want to SORT players. Scum wants to TARGET them.

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Can't players just pretend I don't have a guilty?

I think you've been doing fairly well.

Wisdom not so much.

Wisdom wants to pretend that we all have had lobotomies.

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this is totally a town mindset, right tora?

shooting yourself in the foot the way nero is doing is actually townminded

i dont get how you can be so reasonable in one post and so dumb in another

I'm reasonable when I agree with you and dumb when I don't, isn't that right L?

Congrats, you’ve figured out the secret of Wisdomnomics.

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GUESS WHO'S BACK AND ANOTHER YEAR OLDER

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my cramps?

oof i am so sorry
(but also same)

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is creature's ""maybe guilty"" outed? because if not he's a wolf l0l

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I think I have a guilty.

I'll let the day go on for a while though.

happy is good

almost's angle for thinking pernicious is scum was towny of him

-tor

They subbed in for FFT right? That slot’s very likely town based on VCA.

Exactly why that slot is scum btw.
Scum Pork has 0 reason to self hammer unless scum is already on his wagon for town cred and I don't think that'd be Gamma/NK15 because that doesn't really give much credit, to begin with, they'd have been better off defending the slot and going for the "but I wouldn't defend my partner that hard" angle. I think it was one of the early voters aka the hydra. That's the only way I see scum pork self hammering make sense.

^^^^ good take

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ignore creature psots above, this browser is whack

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NK15 most tonally scummy player of all time
Gamma so far has been..ok I think

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Heck yea

YOOOOOO CJV

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A50, mariar, snuggly, kokichi, nero all likely town

-tor

ohshit
yeah
this

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still catching up, somewhere around

{snugz}
{Nero, Frozenaga, MariaR}
{A50}
null: {GEm, Kokichi, FA_Q2, Parrot}
{Wisdom}
{Creature}

too many nullreads will try and fix later

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VOTE: snuggly

b/c TW isn't posting?

Yeh

So what? We’re a hydra. I’ll go back bug him some more then but if he’s not online, wtf do you expect me to do?

Can't players just pretend I don't have a guilty?

^ Creature is a wolf.

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btw
Recommended reading for whoever cant see nero is scum
Our isos from the last game i caught him and he did the exact same shit misrepping

"You are not allowed to have scumreads when you declare you solved the game. It means you are scum contradicting yourself."
"You are scum because you say you scumread me but don't vote me. Voting who you think is my buddy, who also happens to have more votes, is irrelevant."
"FAQT expressing discontent about the quicklynch means he is angry he wasn't here to bus his buddy. This is the only logical explanation I can think of."

some of nero's town mindsets

scarily
this is town!nero thru and thru
i think you know this wisdom :0

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still catching up, somewhere around

{snugz}
{Nero, Frozenaga, MariaR}
{A50}
null: {GEm, Kokichi, FA_Q2, Parrot}
{Wisdom}
{Creature}

too many nullreads will try and fix later

I don’t think Creature is scum, just kind of frustrating. Nos had him as his #1 townread. QT’s Nero vote is NAGL. I’m just trying to figure out if that means he and Wisdom are linked or if that’s just a coincidence.

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Votecount 2.3

Wisdom(3)

~ Almost50(14), Nero Cain(86), snuggly quackdrew 39(80)

Gamma Emerald(2)

~ Wisdom(125), Kokichi Oma(24)

snuggly quackdrew 39(1)

~ Creature(43)

Nero Cain(1)

~ FA_Q2(13)

MariaR(1)

~ frozenaga(78)

Kokichi Oma(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(44)

FA_Q2(1)

~ MariaR(75)


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FN, why are you voting Maria over Wisdom? We need to lynch Wisdom today, Please think of the vulnerable neurons and synapses he has yet to destroy?

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I don't see why scum NK votes Pork there for Pork to self hammer. That vote was never gonna give him credit it was just gonna make him look bad.

yet ppl ARE town reading the whole of the Pork voters, at least I think Nancy and FA_Q2 are.

And like scum Pork going down I really wouldn't be that surprised to see scum trying to claw their way onto that wagon. Thats probs why FA_Q2 is mad he wasn't here to do so.

Nancy is. I sure as heck am not. It is unlikely IMHO that there is not 1 scum on and off the wagon.

You are just self justifying with that last bit of garbage though. I was not mad - I was surprised that the day ended so abruptly with the holy grail of asinine shit to do - self hammer. Did not get much of a chance to actually play the game D1.

What do you think about this post?

I dunno, it seems kind of defensive? Also, why is he so convinced that there has to be one scum on wagon? Why is he so sure, it’s not an alltown wagon? I mean except for Pork, obviously.

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Does it feel like Wisdom has given up?

I’m waiting for the airtight case, where he proves that 2+2, really does = 5.

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I think we should do Wisdom.

+1.

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I think we should do Wisdom.

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still catching up, somewhere around

{snugz}
{Nero, Frozenaga, MariaR}
{A50}
null: {GEm, Kokichi, FA_Q2, Parrot}
{Wisdom}
{Creature}

too many nullreads will try and fix later

What is this duck? You were hard scum reading me, I did not post anything and then you are null reading me. Why?

This post was by TW, not me. However, I’m kind of agreeing now. Sheep me on Wisdom, please. No way is he town here. Why are you voting Nero? He is obvtown. Wisdom flip, spews both Nero, Gamma town - not that that’s even necessary, just obvious.

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Explain wisdom scum to slow maria.

He is pushing and not sorting. When I told him to metacheck Nero, he got mad andkept insisting he was scum based on his entirely different play in Necromancer and anyone who disagreed with him, was simpleminded or something.

He keeps saying that Nero is obvscum and me obvtown, for essentially saying the exact same thing.

He won’t even consider any other possibilities than Gamma/Nero without any good reason. As tw already pointed out, he doesn’t believe that Wisdom can’t tell that Nero is blatantly obvtown here.

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Can we not wagon Wisdom and get on like FA or almost 50
I know that prob won't happen so I'll be here cause no wisdom
VOTE: Gamma

You were hard defending Gamma - who has clearly been very townie recently. What gives? Why would you not vote Wisdom?

I don’t see a world where Wisdom and A50 are ever w/w here or Gamma, so those are bad options. The jury’s still out on FA_QT. He could still be scum though but I’m far less certain than I was.

I don’t believe Wisdom honestly scumreads Nero. There is no world where town!Wisdom ever scumreads and pushes Nero here and his angry response to my telling him to metacheck Nero, sealed it for me.

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I don't see why scum NK votes Pork there for Pork to self hammer. That vote was never gonna give him credit it was just gonna make him look bad.

yet ppl ARE town reading the whole of the Pork voters, at least I think Nancy and FA_Q2 are.

And like scum Pork going down I really wouldn't be that surprised to see scum trying to claw their way onto that wagon. Thats probs why FA_Q2 is mad he wasn't here to do so.

Nancy is. I sure as heck am not. It is unlikely IMHO that there is not 1 scum on and off the wagon.

You are just self justifying with that last bit of garbage though. I was not mad - I was surprised that the day ended so abruptly with the holy grail of asinine shit to do - self hammer. Did not get much of a chance to actually play the game D1.

What do you think about this post?

I dunno, it seems kind of defensive? Also, why is he so convinced that there has to be one scum on wagon? Why is he so sure, it’s not an alltown wagon? I mean except for Pork, obviously.

I am not 'sure.' That is why I said it is unlikely.

Why are you so positive that it is an all town wagon. An early all town wagon where scum self hammers....

Where does that make sense?

I am becoming less sure but it was D1 and Pork was roleblocker and it happened rather quickly.

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Explain wisdom scum to slow maria.

He is pushing and not sorting. When I told him to metacheck Nero, he got mad andkept insisting he was scum based on his entirely different play in Necromancer and anyone who disagreed with him, was simpleminded or something.

He keeps saying that Nero is obvscum and me obvtown, for essentially saying the exact same thing.

He won’t even consider any other possibilities than Gamma/Nero without any good reason. As tw already pointed out, he doesn’t believe that Wisdom can’t tell that Nero is blatantly obvtown here.

I've seen Wisdom get in tunnels and be incorrect before hell I've been the source of said tunnel before so the last part doesn't really worry me. The nero is obv scum and you obv town part is interesting though.

And that link to Necromancer game, where Nero play was nothing like it is here. Wisdom isn’t this bad as town. Like I said, I don’t believe for one second, Wisdom honestly believes Nero is scum here, as tw already pointed out.

In Minuet, Wisdom posted something along the lines of, X,y and z are the scumteam. I then said I think you’re wrong about one of them, here’s why and I quoted something. Wisdom then said. I think you may be right about player __. Wisdom did not get mad at that. Town!Wisdom is never this ridiculously tunnelled that he absolutely refuses to listen to reason. Moment alignment was far from clear - unlike Nero.

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I think Wisdom is town and people aren't gonna wagon FA so I'll vote the wagon people have as a popular scum read so they can't use it as an excuse anymore.
My biggest problem with my new playstyle and how this works is I wanna be that town leader and yay everyone (or mostly) has me town but not a lot of people are following or listening to me I had whole scumteams nailed day 1 recently and I had every scum in my null or bottom pool in a game that ended (kokichi can vouch) so I don't really get how to show people gamma is town. So I'll do it with a flip

Being townleader is far less important than hitting scum. Wisdom has insanely high scum equity for all of the reasons I’ve already mentioned. QT may also be scum but why vote anyone other than Wisdom today? I honestly don’t believe he is town here. His ludicrous push on obvtown Nero is a scummy af. That’s why, Wisdom.

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If you are town reading both Wisdom and Gamma I don't understand why you'd lynch Gamma over the guy that more people are suspicious of. Or even push for someone like FAQ.

Yeah, I don’t get it either. I admit my initial hard townread on Maria has lessened. Who prioritizes being townleader over lynching obvscum?

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I tried for FAQ and that died out fast would you join that?
Are people more sus of wisdom yeah but I still think wisdom is town. Also honestly a better player then Gamma

Wisdom has much much higher scum equity than Gamma and as Creature pointed out, if he is town here, he is playing dreadfully. Gamma OTOH is fine.

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Okay go over this with me and I'll be happy.
What happens with a wisdom town flip and a wisdom scum flip.
you're both around so I wanna hear it
Pedit: Sure give a moment.

You claim that Wisdom is such a good player and yes, town!Wisdom is a really good player as more often than not scum!Wisdom.

But he is doing nothing to help town, instead all he’s done is make bad pushes and insane tunnels.

He keeps persisting in his Nero is lockscim narrative, against all reason. He isn’t even willing to look at any evidence disputing this. Why is he completely unwilling to metacheck Nero, if he’s actually town here?

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P.edit. Scum!Wisdom is usually a good player.

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If you are town reading both Wisdom and Gamma I don't understand why you'd lynch Gamma over the guy that more people are suspicious of. Or even push for someone like FAQ.

Yeah, I don’t get it either. I admit my initial hard townread on Maria has lessened. Who prioritizes being townleader over lynching obvscum?

Because wisdom isn't scum and you're just not listening

Why isn’t Wisdom scum?

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Like I guess wisdom could be scum but I liked his one on one with me tbh. I started to understand his viewpoint even if I disagreed with him. His stance on me also makes sense as town

Frozen will always be a paranoia deep wolf read but for now I think tor is town with the way he's trying to solve the game. His tone fits with what I expect from town him plus I have like...2 good meta tells on him. He's prob town

Wisdoms talks with me feel like someone who is actively trying to work with me to solve the game and not have an agenda his stance with me and a few others I expect too. Wisdom is really hard for me to read but It gets easier to tell when he has an agenda and when he doesn't after playing with scum him.

Gamma is obv town for reasons I explained about the NK15 vote along with the self hammer from pork. I also think Gamma's play here comes from town him I've read him wrong once and I'm pretty confident in that read

What about you

I don't see why scum wisdom would 1v1 Nero of all people who is obv town in most peoples eyes that's not gonna do him any favors he didn't do that as scum before why do that here like come on.

Also nancy you misunderstand I'm trying to be one and get people to try and listen to me more because people just don't do I don't understand why though. So I need to work on that
Pedit:

You're voting Wisdom because you're scared of his scum game and tunnel of nero then?

What?

More like, I’m afraid of him destroying anymore of my braincells with his ridiculous crap.

You think I’m “scared” of Wisdom here? I’m voting him for the same reason I tried to powerlynch Pork alt in Labrynth because my bullshit tolerance is extremely low - just the way I like it.

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Why does scum wisdom do that though? He's not doing himself any favors with this tunnel and let's say he magically does lynch you. With 2 scum left he's gonna be auto lynched after that. That's suicide

Correct, which is precisely

why he is not actually voting Nero

, only deahtunnelling him without any good reason whatsoever.

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Unless wisdom is scum with someone not in our poe him trying to 1v1 you Nero is like a death wish. It's one of the reasons I have him as a townread (I suppose the same could be said for you now that I think about it)

If he ever seriously tries to wagon Nero, morelike. Scumshading him, OTOH isn’t one, so long as he never actually tries to push his lynch. He is death tunnelling Nero IMO, in order to attempt to discredit him as much as possible. Him reading us as different alignments despite clearly mindmelding on a lot of reads, also sounds extremely scummy to me and yet another reason I think he’s obvscum here.

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I mean, you said that you were null and the only reason that you are town reading me is b/c Snuggly and Tor are town reading me. If either of them changes their mind you'd be willing to lynch me.

FAQ is hard scumreading me.

Kolchi is kinda scumreading me? and I dunno how he feels about Wisdom.

Tor is town reading Wisdom I think.

A50 isn't playing.

I don't really see any of you seeing a town Nero flip and then going "oh yeah. Wisdom was scum all along." So your Wisdom tunniling town Nero is a death warrant does make a ton of sense to me.

Tor is townreading Wisdom? Where?

Wisdom never insanely deathtunels like this as town. He has never been this unreasonable or closed off to any information possibly contradicting his stances. He is a pretty decent townplayer most of the time. This is more than likely his scum gambit. So when Gamma or whomever he pushes ultimately likely flips town, he can keep pretending to double down, so people like Maria keep falling for it.

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why he is not actually voting Nero, only deahtunnelling him without any good reason whatsoever.

As much as I dislike Wisdom, he was correct that the Gamma wagon was bigger so its fair I guess that he wasn't voting me.

Agree that him selectively scumhunting me is bad and his chainsaw defense of FAQ is also scummy and dislike his cry of misrep while trying to twist my accusation into something else.

Him scumreading you and townreading me for pretty much the same reasons, also make no sense if he’s town.

Nero, do me a favour and ISO Wisdom in Labrynth. Thanks.

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As much as I hate to say it, I get lynched a fair amount at times. Like, in games with a player base that is somewhat familiar with me I'm usally fine but in games with new players/players that don't know me I'm totally MS bait and I could easily see a scum Wisdom thinking that I'm a decent hedge push.

I really do think that you are obvtown here enough to not need meta but I could sill see that since he isn’t familiar with Heroes game but no way in hell, does town!Wisdom honestly scumread you for a game where your play is nothing like this one And, also

no way, does town!Wisdom get angry when he is told to do a metacheck.

That more than anything convinced me he was scum here. You might also want to ISO

both

Wisdom and Maria in Forgotten Hourglass. I no longer can rule out the possibility of her being w/w with Wisdom. I’m still tr her for now but it’s definitely slipped.

My main reason for not townreading FA_QT is his vote on you but I’m no longer beyond convinced he is Wisdom’s partner.

That’s why I don’t want to lynch anyone other than Wisdom today. The opposition to Wisdom lynch, will almost certainly ferret out his partner.

FA_QT, please vote Wisdom

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Tor is townreading Wisdom? Where?

I don't know what his read is.

Him scumreading you and townreading me for pretty much the same reasons, also make no sense if he’s town.

I mean, he's saying that your just bad and that I'm fooling you. It's kinda rude and its just shrugging it off which I am not a big fan of either.

Nero, do me a favour and ISO Wisdom in Labrynth. Thanks.

Why? I'm agreeing with you.

Oh okay then. What is your current read on Maria? Do you think she is being fooled by Wisdom here?

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I don't think you're an easy lynch Nero when I was sk lynching you was so god dam hard I had to go to hell and back

Town!Wisdom does not scumread Nero here.

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btw
Recommended reading for whoever cant see nero is scum
Our isos from the last game i caught him and he did the exact same shit misrepping

"You are not allowed to have scumreads when you declare you solved the game. It means you are scum contradicting yourself."
"You are scum because you say you scumread me but don't vote me. Voting who you think is my buddy, who also happens to have more votes, is irrelevant."
"FAQT expressing discontent about the quicklynch means he is angry he wasn't here to bus his buddy. This is the only logical explanation I can think of."

some of nero's town mindsets

scarily
this is town!nero thru and thru
i think you know this wisdom :0

TW’s post.

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That's not a valid argument and you know it >_>

So you’re saying, you honestly believe that Wisdom is really this bad a townplayer that he can’t see that Nero is obvtown here, really?

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Do you not agree that Nero, FA_QT and Maria are likely town but that’s as far as I’m caught up.

These three are the people i like the least so far

And what whadduya know lol, not one of them is Gamma.

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cmon nero, take the stance fully

Why should we sheep nos over lynching gamma?

Why is gamma not your preferree lynch?

Ding, ding. When did Nos ever advocate NK(Gamma) lynch and where did Nero ever suggest such a thing? But yeah, I can totally see how he’s “misrepping” you here.

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{creature, nero}
{fuwa, maria}
{quack, nn15, kokichi, parrot, frozen}
{cmod1, q2}
{porkens}

something like that

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{creature, nero}
{fuwa, maria}
{quack, nn15, kokichi, parrot, frozen}

{cmod1, q2}
{porkens}

something like that

We should be sheeping this guy

Yep, Wisdom. Nero totally advocated sheeping Nos on Gamma.

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That's not a valid argument and you know it >_>

So you’re saying, you honestly believe that Wisdom is really this bad a townplayer that he can’t see that Nero is obvtown here, really?

I mean I don't see it so shouldn't I be a sr too if that's the case you're making

I will admit if Wisdom flips red, your defending him won’t be a great look, ye.

So, why do you think Nero is scum then?

or rather NOT obvtown?

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{creature, nero}
{fuwa, maria}
{quack, nn15, kokichi, parrot, frozen}

{cmod1, q2}
{porkens}

something like that

We should be sheeping this guy

it was KINDA a joke. Like I have reasons to think Wisdom/DAQ are scum but I thought it was funny that my reads lined up with NOS' top 3 scum reads. Like I didn't go into the day thinking that "hey, let me blindly sheep Nos." but we are just gelling from beyond the grave.

Wisdom hadn’t yet subbed in for CM, when Nos NK happened but why does scum kill Nos out of everyone, if this list really had nothing to do with it?

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Nancy, he's saying why should we sheep Nos when we could be lynching Gamma. He's not suggesting I sheep Nos' Gamma read...

Oh okay. I thought he mixed that up.

Anyway, I don’t understand why Nos would be the NK, unless one of CM(Wisdom)/FA_QT were scum. Tbf. Nos did think NK vote was scummy but Gamma seems really townie and NK - ironically like Pork - is a naturally scummy player irrespective of alignment. I’m pretty sure we would have 100% lynched NK if Gamma had not replaced into that slot.

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That's not a valid argument and you know it >_>

So you’re saying, you honestly believe that Wisdom is really this bad a townplayer that he can’t see that Nero is obvtown here, really?

I mean I don't see it so shouldn't I be a sr too if that's the case you're making

I will admit if Wisdom flips red, your defending him won’t be a great look, ye.

So, why do you think Nero is scum then?

or rather NOT obvtown?

I think Nero posting is like...fine? It's nothing that made me lean either way it's agreeable content but I haven't seen sparks of town or scum from him

He has been actively trying to solve the game from the getgo, more than most of the playerlist.

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What is your interpretation of this then?

there was a lynch
Some people dont like early lynches

When does town ever hate early lynches, when they hit scum? This can’t be a serious answer.

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because MS culture

yo ceejay what made you cancel your rep out?

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heeeey ceejay
guess who can read you?
this ducky

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Do you not agree that Nero, FA_QT and Maria are likely town but that’s as far as I’m caught up.

These three are the people i like the least so far

And what whadduya know lol, not one of them is Gamma.

What are you saying here?

Exactly what it says. Wisdom doesn’t mention you amongst his 3 most disliked players.

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fuck the new meta, in old times i was never wagoned as town

Claim: I am a bodyguard

This is ironic because Labrynth but ok for now. Who did CM bg?

UNVOTE:

Your play was hella scummy. Why would you be remotely surprised by that?

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also its still nero and gamma

You haven’t made convincing cases for either and your meta case on Nero, was lolcringeworthy.

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Moment alignment was far from clear - unlike Nero.

Youre right, nero alignment is clear, but sadly only to me

Your Necromancer example was seriously wtf. Why did you react like you did, when I told you to metacheck him?

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Why is he completely unwilling to metacheck Nero, if he’s actually town here?

someone tell nancy i dont "metacheck" people
Meta that you havent experienced yourself isnt meta
I only trust my own experiences with nero and these make it clear nero is scum

That isn’t a good reason. If you don’t want to do it yourself, then ISO Sakura in Heroes on I think around the beginning of D4 - I think that’s the time that Nero subbed in for Katsuki iirc?

I also have my own experiences, which obviously aren’t matching yours. And sorry, Necromancer just isn’t a good example of this.

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Wisdom never insanely deathtunels like this as town.

Nancy, youve played what, four games with me?
People who have played dozens still fail to meta me and you think you can do it with four fucking games. Get over yourself, you will never have a clue what i do and what I don't as town.

Yep, these type of comebacks are hella convincing.

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you're town reading both of Tor and snuggly right? and we now that NOS is dead town. Why, if you are town, are you not listening to your team and 3 players with recent experience with me?

And, also no way, does town!Wisdom get angry when he is told to do a metacheck.

you tell someone who scumreads someone because of meta to do a metacheck, nancy
Its at least stupid

Because your metacase on Nero obviously sucks. Is this a serious question?

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yeah just because you cant see nero is scum my play is scummy

Anytime you try to push anyone for reasons that don’t make any sense. Obviously. So, you have a POE of only 2 - Gamma and Nero and have as of yet, failed to make a convincing case for either.

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i wasnt told, im assuming nobody given he was inactive

I just asked aris though to be sure

My predecessor targeted kokichi n1

This feels real, I guess.

Too bad we can’t ask CM, his reasoning for this. Why would bg CM protect Kokichi in particular? It really doesn’t make a lot of sense.

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you cant see nero is scum

Yes, I can't.

What am I missing?

Other than following Wisdom blindly? I can’t either.

I’m not following anyone blindly on anything, untl they make a reasonable case - that trumps my own reads/instincts.

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im not good at convincing, im good at catching scum

And it's Gamma + Nero? Huh?

yep

Based on what? Your say-so?

I’m not even convinced your claim is real. Bg is the ultimate choice in fakeclaims. You never even actually have to prove it. You didn’t believe Shoshin and at least her saves made sense and were backed up by actual evidence. Kokichi? Really? Scum viewed him as the biggest threat in this game?

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your necromancer example was seriously wtf (2)

He really has no case against either Nero or Gamma and I think his claim is an easily fakable one. Unlike say vig, the only way to ever prove bg is after a flip.

If this claim is the best Wisdom has got, I’m revoting him. It’s so convenient because we can’t ever talk to CM and ask for their reasoning and evaluate it and Wisdom never needs to account for his predecessor’s thinking.

Kokichi, you were quick to scumread Wisdom in both FG Alice games, why not here? At what point, did he overwhelm you with his towniness?

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dont ask me, id never bg kokichi

That’s the problem with this. However, I actually do think it a possibilty CM could have definitely

targeted

Kokichi. Aren’t you even a little bit worried that Kokichi isn’t more suspicious of you, like he was in Minuet and Hourglass?

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We force Wisdom to go on someone scum likely has to kill tonight.

How can we verify that though? In Labrynth, Ank actually had proof of a protective visit. All Wisdom has to do is claim someone obvtown read, who isn’t the NK.

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nancy i will forgive you this once, but if this behavior continues in future games after you see im town here i don't think ill continue playing with you
i can only take so much discrediting

I’m devestated.

You seriously wonder why I think you’re scummy af?

Crap like the above.

You also threatened me like this in Labrynth - where you actually did flip freaking scum, remember?

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no because hes town

He scumread you in both games and isn’t remotely suspicious of you here but that totally doesn’t concern you at all? Okay.

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yes and like i said i do the same things as town and scum but you ignore me and think you know better

You could say this shit as either alignment but as town, you’d actually have something content-wise to back any of it up. If someone was saying the same stuff you are here, I seriously doubt you’d buy it either.

So, let’s say we lynch Gamma/Nero and both flip town, who will you suspect next?

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VOTE: nk15

I already know hes gonna give a bad answer so I'm just gonna vote this

???

Cause his post made 0 sense

your necromancer example was seriously wtf (2)

He really has no case against either Nero or Gamma and I think his claim is an easily fakable one. Unlike say vig, the only way to ever prove bg is after a flip.

If this claim is the best Wisdom has got, I’m revoting him. It’s so convenient because we can’t ever talk to CM and ask for their reasoning and evaluate it and Wisdom never needs to account for his predecessor’s thinking.

Kokichi, you were quick to scumread Wisdom in both FG Alice games, why not here? At what point, did he overwhelm you with his towniness?

Kokichi, please respond to the bolded, thanks.

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Ok. So vote gamma

vote is legit already on gamma

If you townread him why arent you trying harder to stop it

+1

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Tell MariaR that my guilty was actually her

Do you actually have a guilty on Maria or anyone because if not?, I kind of think the jig is up now.

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Kokichi, you were quick to scumread Wisdom in both FG Alice games, why not here? At what point, did he overwhelm you with his towniness?

When did I ever say I townread him? This post is very misleading.

One of the games I had a guilty on him, so of course I'd tunnel him.

I don’t think it is but it’s kind of irrelevant anyway. The gist of my question, is why aren’t you more suspicious of him,

in this game

?

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Gamma is simply scummy because of his previous slot. And I believe CM1 could have targetted me

True but is that actually because that slot was scummy or because NK is an uberwolfy player in grneral? Why do you believe that CM targetted you?

And do you buy Wisdom’s bg claim?

What about Nero? What is your read on his slot?

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nancy i will forgive you this once, but if this behavior continues in future games after you see im town here i don't think ill continue playing with you
i can only take so much discrediting

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nancy i will forgive you this once, but if this behavior continues in future games after you see im town here i don't think ill continue playing with you
i can only take so much discrediting

remind me not to play with you again. Even yume is more bearable

Quote from Labrynth - where guess who was scum?