- "scum-making-town-sounding-posts POV" - those early questions I asked were NAI, both town and scum can quite easily ask those game mechanic questions. No town points, no scum points should be awarded.In post 1510, Nauci wrote:VOTE: Keyser Söze
VOTE: Keyser Söze
VOTE: Keyser Söze
VOTE: Keyser Söze
VOTE: Keyser Söze
VOTE: Keyser Söze
VOTE: Keyser Söze
VOTE: Keyser Söze
VOTE: Keyser Söze
- "The lurker question is a classic topic to look productive without being necessarily productive" - I wanted us to discuss those games on the first couple pages only, before we broke into serious scum hunting mode.
- "Keyser’s 42 seems very paranoid". I usually associate healthy paranoia as town.
- "non-cohesive mindset" - during early game when I am forming early D1 reads this is to be expected. I will never force out reads.
- "so defensive" - both town and scum can be defensive.
- "need to check if town Keyser sheeps like this" - I have the town humility to sheep, yes, and admit when I am wrong.
- "Like Keyser was unbelievably careful to not interact with Volxen while Volxen was non stop chain sawing" - Volxen was defending me while the rest of the playerslist scum read me because he knew I was town. It was the sole town read they expressed and built their attacks around it. I voted Volxen because I did not trust him. His ISO was full of bad distancing.
- "Giving himself credit for not moving off wagon day 2 was just open wolfing" - no it's fact. I opposed the sesq counter wagon. I think my perception of D1 was accurate in regard wagon dynamics.
- "confidently assigning motivations to volxen’s posts" - it is called post-flip analysis (NAI)
-"keyser why does that “townie who towned in Townville” bit sound so… condescending?" - my phrase is NAI. It is not scummy.
-"it's really bizarre for you to say "D2, your slot."" - NAI. It's only a description.
-"massive contrast in his POV/attitude/behavior/" - attitude is NAI. In regard POV and behaviour: you have a limited experience with my town/scum meta.
- "constantly defensive" - when someone attacks me for poor reasons I will defend myself.
- "hyper aware of how others viewed his slot in a way that agitated him" - townies can be frustrated/agitated too.
- "make fewer posts analyzing others" - I think I have provided satisfactory analysis this game, defended my town reads and voted my scum reads accordingly.
- "it was disappointingly shallow" - town players can make "shallow" analysis, but it can still be proven right. Scum are more likely to create arguments that town would more easily sheep and be manipulated to follow.
- "Keyser misrepresenting my comment to him" - not misrepped. My point still stands. Point to me the scum case/ alignment indicative posts that I have failed to react to. I have aimed to talk about everyone in this game.
- "I really can't see why town Keyser would demand that I convince him to return to Toranga/Dunnstral" - because they began D2 as my PoE scum reads.
-"it'd be really awkward if he switched to sesq without really really good grounds" - I did not support the Sesq wagon and tried to convince Irrelephant not to join it either.
-"makes LAMIST posts as scum" - I get accused of being LAMIST as town a lot too.
- "There's SO much self meta in Scum Keyser games" - both as town and scum. It's my last resort defence if logic isn't working.
- "Not to mention all the defensive or LAMIST posts almost to the point of gaslighting and misrepping" - these are staplemarks of town-Keyser too, but my reads are usually on point.
- "every other post is defensive." - defensive IS NOT PURELY SCUMMY for me or for a lot of players. If I see shit, I will call it out. It's simple work for town-keyser, and simple work for scum-keyser.
- "Oh and being suspicious of anyone who scumreads him even a little" - OMGUS is natural. It's the development of the read which is more alignment indicative for me.
-"do you always quote other people's scum cases of you as scum in attempts to undermine them" - it's an NAI tactic. I do want to create focus on the reasons though, regardless of alignment. If it's a bad scum-case, I'm gonna challenge it.
-"use the term "teammate"" - I call my town teammates as teammates. This is NOT me referring to my scum teammates. Same word, different usage.
- "beautiful scum game that's totally counter to site meta" - TW called me a sheep in wolves clothing, which made me laugh, but does describe my town meta quite beautifully. Again, just because I don't fit into the mafiascum profile of what town should be/should look like doesn't mean I'm scum.
- "Spends tons of time being defensive" - yep, I love correcting what I believe is unfair/lies.
- "OMGUS votes a lot" - I love real time one vs one combat. It helps me sort players. again, don't focus on the vote, but the nature/development of my read of the player I voted.
- "shades people with extremely skilled manipulation and questioning" - this is me trying to get under the skin of players and getting the info I want.
- "that condescending/accusatory/defensive tone just constantly agitated me" - this is NAI. Why can't town-keyser be agitated if they think they have been wronged/miss-repped?
- "I didn't react to ANY of his American Presidents posts this way" - logical fallacy. Presidents game is not the parameter of my town-range.
- "like when you post a condescending gaslighty defensive comment at me right before I was about to point out that scum-you does this" this stinks of confirm bias.
- "he uses way more :emoticons: and formatting I think" - emoticons and formatting are NAI for me. Again, this stinks of confirm bias. You're getting very lazy and reachy, it must be very late.
- "you're willing to do a total 180 for no reason" - town can do 180's. If you don't understand my frustration with the Dunstrall slot you haven't really understood my stance on him at all.
- "no one can change tone and attitude" - logical fallacy: just because you haven't seen it happen in your experience doesn't make it fact. From my personal experience, change in tone and attitude is NAI. People can change. People could be going through things in their personal life that effects their tone/attitude/aura/presence.
- "half of your posts were defensive to the point of manipulation." - I've had to put up with a lot of accusations this game. Hence, the heightened defensive disposition. Town can manipulate too btw. It's not 'manipulation' though... it's 'convincing'.