Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:04 am

Do you remeber the game we played where you did traffic light reads?

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:06 am

In post 2826, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2823, profii wrote:Do you remeber the game we played where you did traffic light reads?
Me? What game was that? I might have done it, but not sure if I called them traffic lights reads, so unsure what you’re referring to if you’re talking to me

Yea you only post read lists and traffic light colours and nothing else just moving people up and down the read list

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:08 am

In post 2828, profii wrote:
In post 2826, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 2823, profii wrote:Do you remeber the game we played where you did traffic light reads?
Me? What game was that? I might have done it, but not sure if I called them traffic lights reads, so unsure what you’re referring to if you’re talking to me
Yea you only post read lists and traffic light colours and nothing else just moving people up and down the read list

This one

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74615

My 2 word thing at that start was a very subtle reference to this to try and bat signal to you that if we are town together we can go forth and conquer - at the time I couldn’t reference the partner game haha

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:12 am

What’s the worsts replacement status? Is he playing now - he’s not in mod notes

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:12 am

In post 2833, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 278, profii wrote:
In post 276, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 206, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 186, Flavor Leaf wrote:I have half a mind to confirm your theory
*facepalm*

Okay... so the only way to 'confirm my theory' would been to claim cop or gunsmith, Which if I'm reading that correctly you just did despite my repeated warnings not to. So... I revealed 3 of our PR's to reds on the first day... without trying to on the first account and after explicitly and clearly asking people not to on the second account..

I have an annoying playstyle. it’s very possible I’m just a 1 shot BP.
Typical Flavor :p
That makes this much funnier.

lols actually that’s why I ignored your vig claim haha

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:13 am

Crimson - can you give us your scum pool rn please?

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:27 am

In post 2123, profii wrote:
In post 2101, Nauci wrote:
Mod NotesCrimson97 has requested replacement. Now seeking.

In post 2102, Krazy wrote:VOTE: crimson

In post 2111, Nauci wrote:
In post 2101, Nauci wrote:
Mod NotesCrimson97 has requested replacement. Now seeking.

Mod NotesCrimson97 has requested to not be replaced and may now resume posting.

In post 2113, Krazy wrote:Crimson hardclaim now

In post 2115, Crimson97 wrote:
In post 2113, Krazy wrote:Crimson hardclaim now
Town Doctor bby

Seems prudent to put these posts together

Krazy is all IDK guys about Crimson but happily jumps on the wagon as soon as he knows no one in their right mind will hammer

Then oh look a doctor claim

I am still thinking Crimsons claim is poop but with under 2 days I’m not going to push an unlikely Pr claim lynch on D1

Hence the query about his scum pool - I am really stuck on who to lynch today so I figure let’s see if Crimson perhaps scum reads someone who is likely to be his pal and someone else outside the pool will also be his pal I’d guess

So when I saw Krazy in there - it reminded me of the quote above... and now they are both ok with a creature lynch

Seems bad news to me- I can get on a Krazy lynch rn but that’s another dang PR :@

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:33 am

In post 2847, Almost50 wrote:
In post 2817, Performer wrote:Hello all. I see you there light, FL, GE, krazy, crimson, creat, a50, prof.
I'm sorry if I forgot anyone else.

I did a super quick skim and wow - anyone who didn't have saud as tr, shame on you . Could even tr him from before replacing and I was right, yes! Never been wrong about this except that 1 time I came into an SK slot.

In related news, GE pushing for a lynch on me when we have little time left, is very A L A R M I N G. I saw 1 claim in my skim.
Can people summarize what happened so far because I am not going thru an unreal 110 page d1... this is M E S S E D U P, why so many pages!?
Hi there.

Could you please quickly summarize why you TR'd your predecessor before you replaced in? I am not familiar with them at all, so maybe you can draw my attention to something I don't know about them. (This is why I don't feel like ISOing some slots because I don't know what I'm looking for in their ISO anyway).

actually let’s just get down to brass tacks here

Performer claims to have skim read the thread and perfectly town read one slot only (his own)

Okey dokey !

Probably the main AI thing this slot has done haha

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:11 pm

Well the mason claim changes things

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:13 pm

Are masons a role that have to be town and neighbour a role that can go either way?

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:34 pm

Wiki says yep

So if FL and Creature are claiming day 1 masons, as soon as one of them flips the other would die as scum so they are kinda all in for not a great deal of gain seeing as we aren’t honing in on someone scummy imo

Plus with Crimsons dubious claim one will die soon - if he is fake or scum doc ofc

So that claim is ok with me

Now then we have Vig Krazy - We can leash this and he cannot shot the masons so that’s not bad

Crimson - he has to protect a mason - we can deal with this tomorrow

TW - I guess he has to investigate outside of all the claims

So I say we lynch outside of all this - I least believe Crimson but we might as well leash him on our believeable masons

profii · Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:40 pm

Gamma Emerald
Naomi-Tan
profii
Light Ethos
Almost50
Sashaddin
Performer

My PoE leaves the above as lynch candidates
Don’t wanna lynch myself of LE or Naomi

Could any of the remain 4 but would need to do some re reading if you wanted me to pick one specific right now

profii · Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:27 am

In post 3033, Mister Rogers wrote:
In post 3029, Krazy wrote:@VI:
You are arguing there is no case against Crimson when you yourself put him to L-2 like just days ago, you spent days arguing about leashing my shot over concerns with a doctor save but never talked to Crimson about leashing his doc, you never seriously interrogated his roleclaim, and so at this point I think why you ever voted him in the first place is a legitimate question. You are hard defending a slot your voting history indicates you were basically ready to lynch, or at least seemed willing to pressure. So you saw enough of a case to put him to L-2 but now can't think of a single reason he's scummy. He's spent half the dayphase casing Naomi, who you insist is obvious town, and the other half pushing Creature/Manatee, who is a claimed mason. Regardless of whether he is town or scum, I don't understand why YOU believe he is town since his actions seem basically irreconcilable with your view of the game
Your argument is directed to yourself. I EXAMINED his roleclaim and found nothing suspicious about it except that he did not crumb. That's not enough to lynch a claimed power role. Go on with your fail self and tunnel another mason all game long.

So how are you going to win the game when every time we get near a scum lynch they just claim doc, don't breadcrumb and you don't lynch it?

profii · Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:58 am

In post 3052, Performer wrote:as for all these claims on d1
absolutely there is someone L Y I N G. ABSOLUTELY.
this G A I M is messsed U P

I agree but I just don't know where to go:

Creature and FL - it's a ballsy scum play but I can see the motivation = FL was going to be shot by Krazy (allegedly) so he may know that is bad news for scum. A mason claim might see him through the night given the doc may protect.
On the flip side of that:
FL hard defended Manatee.
FL has given us 2 scum if he gets caught
Why give that up on day 1 for the sake of 1 night, when if Krazy shoots Creature anyway, we are speed lynching FL. It's a huge risk.
On the flip side of that:
See FL's signature haha.

Krazy - Neighbour Vig, someone pointed out there is no multiball in 13p new normal rules, so I guess he isn't going to turn out to be a serial killer. So if he is a legit vig, his survival depends on scums assessment of how likely he is to shoot a towny and help them - he may not die tonight, despite having the ability to shoot scum, as he is interesting in me somewhat :p IDK how likely Krazy is going to flake claim ala FL.

Rogers - neighbour - no mechanical reason for this to be lock town, but his play seems ok ish. I don't recall seeing that level of effort/frustration from scum any time recently.

Crimson - I did not like the claim, it scared people off the wagon and is hard to prove currently.

TW - Gun smith, seems logical given at least 2 shooters

The question on my mind is would it be normal/balanced enough to have a way of detecting shooters and stopping shooters? (Crim and TW)
Also -the point of 1 of these roles can be scum PRs would also make sense - we have a lot of power so far and I don't think this is role madness.

I feel like the "safe" bet is TW - I know this is a pre-designed setup and I don't know who made it, so do we think that game designers are mean enough to lead us to this way of betting TW might be scum - I mean I don't think so because they don't know who is going to claim when but it's a dangerous path to go down because if we start lynching PRs because one is surely lying and we are wrong, when do we stop?

I really don't know what to do.

profii · Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:29 am

In post 3069, Mister Rogers wrote:
In post 3066, Flavor Leaf wrote:VOTE: Mister Rogers

Let’s keep all the PR’s alive for now.
I agree and am willing to go to accomplish this because as Krazy says, we are more than likely to have caught scum in the claims.

@Profii: The moptivation for scum FL/Creature was that Creature was the OBV lynch for D1 and the Mason claim was the only way to derail that. Obviously I do not hold Creature as scum but if they are scum together, that was the reason. If Creature holds a particulasrly powerful scum role, a gambit like this could be seen as warranted.

Obviously however I am the wrong choice for the day not only because I am town but because we have genuinely scummy players that should be voted.

i know what the scum motivation could have been - I don’t think Creature was going to get lynched though

Do you think that was the scum claim then?

profii · Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:56 am

Flavour Leaf are you online

profii · Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:58 am

In post 3085, Krazy wrote:all my reads are fucked

I want us to lynch today

I want it to be profii but I don't know how to make that happen

he just seems like the only guy who when I claimed vig seemed to be actively trying to not get shot, and that makes me think he's scum. he knew I was real despite my play this game being abysmal because he's scum

it makes sense to me

everyone else seemed to be trying to eat a bullet lol, instead profii started casing whoever happened to be pissing me off at the time (i.e. rogers)

eh this is news to me but you can just shoot me over night so why do you care

profii · Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:22 am

In post 3102, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh damn. Missed a page. Thought I only missed 4 posts.

Have u noticed I said we could cop u a couple of times

profii · Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:09 am

In post 3110, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3109, profii wrote:
In post 3102, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh damn. Missed a page. Thought I only missed 4 posts.
Have u noticed I said we could cop u a couple of times
I mean, sure. I’m probably the most likely to die, though, unless scum is outright terrified of Krazy.

Krazy/Worst are more mislynchable than me right now, and Rogers is making sure that the claims are discredited.

Right well the point was if I hinted cop I figured you would at least consider the possibility of me fake claiming and if I’m cop you’d probably know I’m copping you n1 every time so we can rule town for the rest of the game

So that’s 1 reason I don’t think you’d fake claim mason

Also it’s making me think Krazy clocked it and wants to kill me in case I cop him

profii · Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:23 am

You might want to go over that again

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:18 am

Yea we don’t need a cop and a gun smith

VOTE: n_m

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:20 am

I feel bad for sash - imagine if he claimed even night cop

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:31 am

Gamma

What do you think of Rogers being the neighbor now - that could make the scum team goon gunsmith neighbor

We have masons - vig - cop so far

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:06 am

In post 3219, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3216, profii wrote:Gamma

What do you think of Rogers being the neighbor now - that could make the scum team goon gunsmith neighbor

We have masons - vig - cop so far
I think it’s slightly improbable
Like my setup spec instinct tells me the pocketing power of the mafia neighbor could be a little much when put with a vig, plus the mafia having a gs means scum neighbor with vig neighbor would sort of muddle the effectiveness of the gs

And what’s your read on me rn?

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:23 am

In post 3223, Gamma Emerald wrote:What does that have to do with the original question

Why wouldn’t you just answer that lol

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:26 am

In post 3241, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think it’s Performer and one of Profii/Gamma/NM.

Gamma is saying it’s not likely Rogers is a neighbour

This leaves him with little choice off wagon - ie if Gunsmith busses, do we think both scum pals busses? I doubt it

So look off wagon

Sash - flipped
Krazy - flipped
Crimson - flipped

That leaves

Rogers - gamma declared this likely town
Gamma himself
Me
Performer

Hence the reason I asked him what his read on me was - he is not forthcoming with with either a scum-busser (outside the obvious) or his options off wagon for scum #3 - he has pretty much gotta scum read me or performer given the above PoE and I think given he couldn’t even say “I think you are ____” he hasn’t formulated a fake read so he deflected

Which makes n_m worth hanging on to for now

VOTE: gamma
Or pointing the finger off wagon

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:29 am

Then consider on wagon, who could be bussing here

Mason pair - almost certainly town for now

Naomi - afk bussing I doubt it
A50 - one of these 2
Performer - one of these 2
N-M - if I’m saying gamma is shady then this is town
Light ethos - meaning this is legit no gun

Hmmm

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:30 am

hang on I’ve got performer on and off wagon ooops

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:33 am

He was on wagon so that reiterates my case on gamma

He hasn’t got a reason to scum read me but by saying Rogers is likely town he is either saying I am scum or both scum busses Crimson

I don’t think we had a double bus and that means gamma is one of the scum

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:36 am

In post 3249, Flavor Leaf wrote:Damn, Profii. That was scummy. Right after I went for Performer you did the exact only other option that could potentially get you two lynched in NM/Gamma

right the lesson from our pair game was sometimes dont try and survive if flipping me is pro town.

dont take me and gamma to lylo

either both scum bussed Crimson or one of us is scum.,

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:02 am

In post 3254, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3244, profii wrote:
In post 3241, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think it’s Performer and one of Profii/Gamma/NM.
Gamma is saying it’s not likely Rogers is a neighbour

This leaves him with little choice off wagon - ie if Gunsmith busses, do we think both scum pals busses? I doubt it

So look off wagon

Sash - flipped
Krazy - flipped
Crimson - flipped

That leaves

Rogers - gamma declared this likely town
Gamma himself
Me
Performer

Hence the reason I asked him what his read on me was - he is not forthcoming with with either a scum-busser (outside the obvious) or his options off wagon for scum #3 - he has pretty much gotta scum read me or performer given the above PoE and I think given he couldn’t even say “I think you are ____” he hasn’t formulated a fake read so he deflected

Which makes n_m worth hanging on to for now

VOTE: gamma
Or pointing the finger off wagon
Well excuuuuuse me princess for not making the connection to the wagon.

If you had said oh I’m reading you such and such I’d have given you the benefit of the doubt and said maybe you just didn’t do any poe

But because you hesistated I asked myself why and that’s where it went

Of course both scum could have bussed but I that’s pretty ruthless although I suppose he was just a goon

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 am

In post 3258, Creature wrote:Are you saying we have like two investigative roles but one's pretty useful while the other more hurts than helps?

imagine if the town gunsmith found Krazy

then Rogers hard defends him due to hood pocketing for whatever was said in there.

could look really bad for those 2 if the town jumped to a conclusion

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:45 am

In post 3267, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3259, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3236, Flavor Leaf wrote:Rogers is town for that defense of Crimson. Gamma town for his push right now. Naomi town for her push of Crimson.
According to this, you think it's Performer and ... Profii???

I mean, you've declared Rogers, Gamma, Naomi, Light & N_M as town reads. You and Creature are Masons, and I don't think you would consider me for scum today!! (Light also has no gun, so if N_M is town then Light is most likely mechanically cleared).

P-edit: Yes. The Gunsmith outs 2 PRs at the very least, if not leading to the lynch of one of them out of paranoia.
Yeah, Performer/Profii is probably my leading suspected team.

Performer/Profii
Performer/Gamma
Performer/NM
NM/Profii
Gamma/Light Ethos
NM/Light Ethos

Is me ranking what I think the team is. I feel the team is definitely one of these.

I'm quite happy to help you lynch performer today - just once that's done, if you believe scum was 1 on 1 off crimson wagon - which i reckon is likely (noting most of your combos agree) then dont let me and gamma stay in the game together too long. He's inability to commit to a read was highly telling to me.

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:12 pm

If we -knew- there was a doc I’d say let the doc protect off masons tonight - lose 1 - confirm the other, also meaning scum don’t accidentally shoot the doc. That also means we get

Another GS result
A proven inno tomorrow
If a doc exists we keep 1 inno for 2 more lynch phases minimum - taking us from 10 players to 6 - potentially 2v4 with an inno and a doc claim

There becomes a paranoia point later where Creature and FL are unconfirmed and we potentially can’t find scum

This post will make FL want to lynch me but I’m not bothered

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:28 pm

In post 3297, Light Ethos wrote:
In post 3296, profii wrote:There becomes a paranoia point later where Creature and FL are unconfirmed and we potentially can’t find scum
I say we ride the Mason claim to the ground and just take the chance that we get beat by a good play. I think it's in our best interest to let that WIFOM play out with us voting away from both of them.

Yeah my stance is I don’t think there is a (town) doc at all so we do this

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:28 pm

In post 3298, Gamma Emerald wrote:Idea:
If we let NM live he has to agree to check one of (FL, Creature). I don’t see any way this doesn’t confirm the alignments of FL and Creature.

You’d like that wouldn’t you

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:35 pm

It’s more likely masons are just masons so let TW hunt scum outside there

If TW is scum he is just going to give us a false positive anyway

We should get 1 result outside of masons then lynch TW - unless today/tonight flips tell us that’s a bad idea

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:36 pm

Having Le + 1 innod and TW town dead is the same as having 2 scum masons anyway

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:36 pm

Doc should protect LE actually haha

profii · Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:37 pm

In post 3304, Gamma Emerald wrote:Why are you calling Not_Mafia the worst??!!!!!?!!?!?

Oh yeah - n_m should post more - my bad

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 5:03 am

Who doesn’t even check the flip... phone post or not

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:33 am

Is anyone contemplating a setup where Krazy and Rogers were supposed to claim vig with each other

Then N_M and Sash were supposed to cast doubt over both claims potentially assuming either got results

I think that fits - then to factor in the masons - they become like a double vote as they may trust each other in PT then if say the scum side convince the masons of their vig claim it gives them essentially a double vote which could devastate town

So I’m saying Rogers and N_M without checking the wagons just on setup spec

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:06 am

Krazy is vig

IF Rogers is scum

They are neighbours

So when the setup was designed there was probably no mass claim in mind

So start of day 1 = 2 night kills = potential for Krazy & Rogers to both say “that was me” in relative private

Then on top of that 2 PRs (cop and gunsmith) that can reveal a bit more about some kill claims

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:17 pm

I think my play yesterday was Crim/TW//Krazy but Saudade was making so much noise about not lynching PR claims

I’m doing a lot of setup spec but I don’t actually know where to go today - I think it’s essential we pick a lynch which forces scum to also kill somewhere that helps PoE tomorrow

Gut feels is Performer would be no problem but need to check

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:31 pm

In post 3352, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3088, Krazy wrote:
In post 3086, Almost50 wrote:
How would scum "know" you're for real?
no third parties, while townies do sometimes fakeclaim vig to bait a nightkill, I don't think he would think me claiming vig at L-2 would be a vanilla townie claiming vig. I think if you're scum and you know I'm not scum then you know I'm vig, and profii is the only person who seemed to reach that conclusion and start playing around me at the time
@PL: How about we switch to profii? That's where Krazy was most suspicious going into the night and profii almost hinted cop while we now do have a flipped cop. What do you think?

I did it at least twice to draw the night kill - hard claim not cop obviously

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:32 pm

FWIW I read A50 as trying to help me with “my” plan to force scum into a corner hence the phrasing “you need to”

No problem here

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:06 pm

It’s a bit weird that someone noticed I was messing about with cop references - which got spotted as I was quite blatant about

You spotted a sash crumb which almost no one spotted

But you didn’t say in the PT - well one of Sash / prof is lying

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:08 pm

don’t ask me it’s not my opinion that counts

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:15 pm

I alluded to being the cop to draw a nk
Rogers spotted a crumb from sash about sash being cop

We can’t both be cops, so why not suggest shoot all liars to Krazy in the PT

Now Rogers is saying he could tell I was messing about

Need to check exactly when I said I was messing because Rogers says my bit happened pre-Rogers entrance to the game - but so did sash crumb so...

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:18 pm

I just checked what I said

I said I was baiting FL - which was the main point of hinting but I don’t outright say I was messing about

Something ain’t right here

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:18 pm

In post 3113, profii wrote:
In post 3110, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 3109, profii wrote:
In post 3102, Flavor Leaf wrote:Oh damn. Missed a page. Thought I only missed 4 posts.
Have u noticed I said we could cop u a couple of times
I mean, sure. I’m probably the most likely to die, though, unless scum is outright terrified of Krazy.

Krazy/Worst are more mislynchable than me right now, and Rogers is making sure that the claims are discredited.
Right well the point was if I hinted cop I figured you would at least consider the possibility of me fake claiming and if I’m cop you’d probably know I’m copping you n1 every time so we can rule town for the rest of the game

So that’s 1 reason I don’t think you’d fake claim mason

Also it’s making me think Krazy clocked it and wants to kill me in case I cop him

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:20 pm

In post 3375, Mister Rogers wrote:Oh aha -- I got it -- this is a syntax formatting thing!

Ok, so here let me translate:

Why didn't I make a big deal of your "obvcrumbing" and Sasha's genuine looking crumb?

First of all, you already admitted in thread that those were BS right? And they occurred before I even entered the game right?

But second of all, even if that were true, why would I trust that information to scum in the Q/T?

Prior to the above post

2100 was where I wanted to bait FL and that was

after

you joined us

profii · Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:21 pm

In post 46, Sashaddin wrote:
In post 34, FrankJaeger wrote:Scummy twitchy or towny twitchy
It'a my first game outside of a newbie setting. How does a twitchy act?

But this is the 4th post

How is that a cop crumb

profii · Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:01 pm

In post 3445, Flavor Leaf wrote:I still feel it’s Performer/Profii

Performer can make the case because it’s his partner and he can see what’s scummy.

Distancing is definitely necessary I feel at This point for them anyways.

I defo wouldn’t do this as 1 of last 2 scum

VOTE: performer

L-1

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:16 am

Well that’s an annoying fake claim

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:19 am

In post 3470, Creature wrote:Should I wait NM or not?

Didnt NM say he was going to check FL?

If he checked me that's great remove your vote and I'll enjoy inno status

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:25 am

VC1

Crimson97 (7)

- Naomi-Tan, Creature, Almost50,

Performer

, Flavor Leaf

, Not_Mafia, Light Ethos

Naomi-Tan (1)

-

Crimson97

Performer (2)

- Gamma Emerald , Mister Rogers

Mister Rogers (1)

- profii

profii (1)

- Krazy 2987
UNVOTE/Not Voting (1) - Sashaddin

VC2

Performer (Saudade) (6)

- Flavor Leaf

, Almost50, Light Ethos, Mister Rogers, profii, Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia (2)

- Gamma Emerald , Creature

profii (1

) -

Performer

UNVOTE/Not Voting (1) - Akarin

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:26 am

i wanna vote NM or A50 just off VCA.

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:36 am

If you were Creature and someone else said “we’re masons”

Why wouldn’t your reaction be “wtf lynch all liars”

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:45 am

In post 3478, Creature wrote:If you were scum and someone else was being mislynched

Why would you claim you're mason with them?

FL does this - good deflection though

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:54 am

well what we know is this

FL had no insider knowledge - his mason claim was risk reward based on his Creature read.

We also know Creature _knew_ FL was lying

We also know Creature was happy to survive and follow the lie

Imo the optimal play is to push back on the lie - either people go “wow wtf we better lynch FL” - ok we would have flipped a VT but there is no shame in flipping someone who is putting their own reads over the majority of players (given creature re was about to go)

But - at the same time _because_ creature pushed back on the lie - I’d trust him more

Because creature went with the lie and tried to ride it out - I don’t trust him

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:56 am

In post 3484, Mister Rogers wrote:Welcome to Tinfoil Hour with Mister Rogers!

Todays make believe story revolves around how Almost & Creature are scum and they decide to capitalize on FL's read confidence on Creature (I truly believe he's town as well) by NK-ing him and then stating that scum would never do that "effectively clearing" Creature.

During the night, I had the distinct thought that Almost sounded like scum telling me what is wrong with my town reads. Anyone know what I am talking about there.

I believe Almost is town by at least VCA (weakest of that type of read) and I will need to review Frank's interactions with NT again...

I agree with your thoughts on a50 and Creature

VOTE: a50

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:57 am

In post 3493, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3490, Light Ethos wrote:Not_Mafia claims to have gotten no result. Other than being role blocked, what else would return no result?
Ascetic

JK

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:58 am

In post 3495, Creature wrote:
In post 3491, profii wrote:Because creature went with the lie and tried to ride it out
What?

When FL said you and him were masons you could have said no we are not - you were happy to not be lynched and also let the town believe you and a known liar were town

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:04 am

In post 3499, Creature wrote:Scum!FL wasn't gonna fakeclaim mason to save town!me.

good thing thats not what we are talking about

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:17 am

In post 3502, Creature wrote:Then why should I have outed he was lying?

If you’re town then you earn trust and ride that out anyway

Now you’re caught out

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:19 am

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:27 am

Sure

But I’ve also seen scum gambits

I’ve made my point - you obviously should be quite clear I don’t trust your gambit, see how the rest of the group go

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:48 am

In post 3514, Akarin wrote:Oh, do you mean all the outed PRs got results N1 or died and weren't fakeclaiming? Is that how it went down?

We weren’t aware of any potential scum rn until N_M said his action failed

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:56 am

In post 3523, Creature wrote:Is profii still gonna push me + you as scumteam?

Nope not now

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:56 am

In post 3527, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3523, Creature wrote:Is profii still gonna push me + you as scumteam?
No. He's going to push me+N_M first. You are a reserve suspect for LyLo, or if he fails to lynch me/N_M.

Nah that can’t be it

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:01 am

I’m trying to think it through

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:18 am

I still think a50 but I think his hard defend of you is him trying to push you (Creature) to go for my mislynch

Too many pr’s for all to be town

I don’t think a gunsmith kills his target (despite being told not to look at FL - I think N_M would do what he wants given he looked and highly Town read LE)

I think a roleblocker stops a gunsmith incase N-M goes rogue (they may think differently to me of course) and doesn’t look at FL and then catches someone with the gambit potential for creating a mislynch (given a50 didn’t bother to wait for n-m to say who he targeted) but that gambit was off the table when n-m said no result so a59 has to defend him and probably kill tonight

However because I went for Creature and N-M didn’t lie, a50 pushes me because it pockets Creature - the hard defence makes it seem Creature is town

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:20 am

I reckon it’s A59 and Gamma

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:22 am

In post 3535, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3528, Creature wrote:
In post 3521, Almost50 wrote:My scum team is profii+LE, but I'm not as confident on the latter.
Why LE over Gamma?
Because N_M is alive and being set for a mislynch. Shooting N_M would have been fine for them, but shooting FL gets them rid of a strong townie who was never going to get lynched anyway and makes it possible for them to lynch N_M instead of shooting him. Now why would they want N_M flipped today if it wasn't to confirm his one and only result?

I'm just speculating because I don't fully understand what the scum team is doing right now.

If N_M is a mislynch he verified LE doesn’t have a gun though?

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:28 am

I’m assuming a gunsmith would pick up a scum doctor as surely they could opt to not protect anyone and use that player to kill

But I’m a noob and happy to be corrected

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:30 am

In post 3541, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3534, profii wrote:I reckon it’s A59 and Gamma
You must be a genius. So, Scum!me is stone-walling the Town!GS lynch??

Yea that would be the bit where I said you can just shoot him tonight

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:52 pm

In post 3576, Mister Rogers wrote:@Profii: Can you please point out your VCA where you declare that Almost is worthy of votes because I couldn't find that in my VCA?

If the 2 scum team went 1 on 1 off the lynches then a50 + gamma makes sense

I was already wary of gamma yesterday so
VOTE: gamma

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:04 pm

Initial Creature wagon

Creature - Krazy #679, Doughboy #736, The Worst #752, profii #825, Sashaddin #831

Me, N_M and Rogers are unknowns there.

Then there was the ‘other’ crimson wagon which failed to lynch

Naomi, me, LE, Creature, Doughboy

All of us there unknowns

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:05 pm

In post 3583, Mister Rogers wrote:@Profii: How is Almost scum again and you are voting for Gamma? Why aren't you voting for NM who MUST be scum with Almost?

Meh. I just realized I made a pretty big mistake because Almost could be SCUM R/B.

Oh crap this game.

Unvote

I was just about to make a post and ask you how have you ruled out scum rb + gamma as the team haha

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:10 pm

That is what I’ve been saying however we seem to be just ignoring some slots

For example, it just seems generally accepted that Naomi is town - I’m not saying she is scum I’m just surprised no one has mentioned her and she’s gone totally under the radar - not even “ we can rule that slot out because _____”

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:25 pm

In post 3590, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3583, Mister Rogers wrote:@Profii: How is Almost scum again and you are voting for Gamma? Why aren't you voting for NM who MUST be scum with Almost?

Meh. I just realized I made a pretty big mistake because Almost could be SCUM R/B.

Oh crap this game.

Unvote
You were JUST saying a50 was town rn with stunning confidence
What happened to that?

Does that not strike you as

“I don’t know what’s going on”

Rather than

“I better get my story straight here”

There is still every chance we are wrong but p sure Rogers is town

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:41 pm

So hang on

Almost50 - role blocker
Light Ethos -
Mister Rogers - neighbour
Not_Mafia - gunsmith
Gamma Emerald
Creature - not a mason

profii -

So it’s likely 2 scum and we killed the vig so 1lynch/kill per cycle

That means If we put a50 and N-M to ultimatum rn, we go down to 6 tomorrow - worst case we get that ultimatum wrong, tomorrow is 2v4 and kill the right one the day after, that puts us at 1v3

I’d like to just sort it out today - there is a risk that we lynch rb first and we are wrong then he could save himself by blocking the kill

But I think he is a scum rb so I’m putting that on the line

profii · Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:44 pm

Best case scenario is we lynch scum rb

That gives us a clear on LE -

can someone who knows the rules better than me confirm a scum doctor can or cannot kill and therefore this a true or false posiive

That puts us at 5v1 with

LE
Me who distinctly pushed this a50 lynch
Rogers who also pushed scum rb once he sussed it
Creature - who is town for the defence by a50, can explain this more if that doesn’t make sense

Leaving scum in gamma or Naomi as n_m will almost certainly die as he can’t give us a result on those 2 or it’s town win

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:59 am

So in your opinion if a scum doctor existed and was checked by a gun smith the result would be?

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:09 am

No every time I check the wiki it’s wrong because the new normal rules trump them so I ask if someone actually knew for certain

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:03 am

It’s either going to be

N_M and LE as gunsmith / doctor (given the action)

Or

A50+ probably Gamma as rb + doctor (given the claim, presumably exists)

Personally I want to sort the PRs - there is a risk we get it wrong though so whilst i think it’s A50 - scum pretty much have to no kill to fake a guilty / explain a50s survival

All that’s changed for me is I’ve gone from it almost certainly being the a50 scenario, it’s just much more likely that a50 scenario is right but it’s gut feeling call

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:05 am

In post 3620, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3580, profii wrote:
In post 3576, Mister Rogers wrote:@Profii: Can you please point out your VCA where you declare that Almost is worthy of votes because I couldn't find that in my VCA?
If the 2 scum team went 1 on 1 off the lynches then a50 + gamma makes sense

I was already wary of gamma yesterday so
VOTE: gamma
VOTE: profii

This is it! You're lock scum and I won't stop until one of us is lynched. It's a 1v1 between profii and myself.

Ok well when this happens it means you’re scum, glad I’m in the right place

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:06 am

In post 3621, Almost50 wrote:Note that profii also was probing the possibility of fake claiming Cop on D1. He was paving the way for that in case he got wagoned. His p claimed Doc and he was preparing himself to claim Cop.

I just wanted to draw the night kill

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:08 am

In post 3623, Almost50 wrote:
@ALL:
Can we all agree that if I am the TOWN RB that N_M is confirmed Town? If this is the case (and we can agree on it) I am willing to be today's lynch, and then you lynch in the following order:

Rogers > Profii > LE.

Rogers is still probably Town, but he's a negative utility all by himself. He doesn't need a "role" to be anti-town. That's why I want him dead before the two scums because you won't be able to lynch them in his existence.

Why does that make N_M town?

Sure he didn’t lie but he obviously knows someone is messing with him so isn’t going to and drop himself in it

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:10 am

In post 3623, Almost50 wrote:
@ALL:
Can we all agree that if I am the TOWN RB that N_M is confirmed Town? If this is the case (and we can agree on it) I am willing to be today's lynch, and then you lynch in the following order:

Rogers > Profii > LE.

Rogers is still probably Town, but he's a negative utility all by himself. He doesn't need a "role" to be anti-town. That's why I want him dead before the two scums because you won't be able to lynch them in his existence.

So I’m scum and you’re town but you want us to lynch you and Rogers (in your world 2x towns) before you remove what you believe to be known scum (me)

This is just silly AtE that makes me super confident in my vote

VOTE: almost50

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:10 am

Didn’t even think I was pushing you that hard haha

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:56 am

In post 3633, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3626, Almost50 wrote:And Gamma is confirmed Town to me now. profii persistently pushing there makes me believe this. So, Creature+Gamma+N_M+Myself is my own Town!block and I'd go from there. If I had a say we lynch Rogers today to preserve my sanity. Then profii tomorrow, and if the game isn't over we lynch LE (despite the soft inno N_M got on him).

As for Naomi, I do think that slot is Town by virtue of pushing Crimson hard on D1. So, that should be Creature+Gamma+N_M+Myself+Naomi lynching the other 3 in succession to win the game.

@Creature/Gamma: Which of Rogers/profii is your lynch today? I would also ask N_M and Naomi, except I'm not sure they'd return an answer anytime soon.
My current suspicions would make me vote Rogers
Also NT was replaced

I think it’s going to be me or a50 today

Who you lynching

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:00 am

In post 3636, Almost50 wrote:@Gamma: If you trust me already, vote profii. If you don't, then promise me to lynch within profii/Rogers tomorrow no matter what after I flip. Thank you.

There’s that ate again

You’ve said me vs you is town vs scum

We lynch one of us today - I’ll play your silly game- if town pick the wrong one, tomorrow is the other one. Period.

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:47 am

pretty harsh that dude

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:43 am

In post 3646, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3640, profii wrote:pretty harsh that dude
Your 3638 has a glimpse of a town-driven thought. Either that or you're a very cunning scum.

Now assuming you're town, your play has been horrible. Let me point out just one "fact": You say you were trying to bait a NK on D1? How the hell do you bait a NK with not one, not two, and not even three claimed PRs? We had a Vig claim. We had a Gunsmith claim. We had a (fake) Doctor claim, and we had a (fake) Masons claim.

Now what makes you think "crumbing" Cop would make you more likely to be shot than any of those
explicit
claims?

On top of that you were against lynching the fake Doctor, and ended D1 voting Rogers. Now you're somehow trusting Rogers and suspecting me.

So, if this is your town play.. I have nothing more to say than "Go ahead and lose us the game."

im not going to bother to check, but we did not have a cop claim on day 1 and i dont think we had any exciting claims whilst i was still baiting.

i am calling roles such as neighbour which came out straight away, unexciting because they dont get guilties on scum

so you are just shading facts here, but im the one losing us the game... interesting

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:47 am

In post 3650, Almost50 wrote:Oh, and if we lynch scum today I will target LE > Rogers (LE is the default unless he is the lynch then I will block Rogers).

If we mislynch I be blocking profii > Rogers.

That's to say if the lynchee flips scum I'll RB LE. If the lynchee flips Town I'll RB profii. If the lynchee is LE/profii and the flip is red/green respectively then I'll be on Rogers.

you wont be role blocking one of me tonight... one of us gets lynched today.

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:48 am

In post 3641, Creature wrote:Still, you putting zero effort on searching how gunsmith and scum doctor works is pretty bad.

it's really nai

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:49 am

In post 3643, Creature wrote:
In post 3626, Almost50 wrote:So, that should be Creature+Gamma+N_M+Myself+Naomi
I can agree on me + you + N_M + Naomi being all town.

oh look ive found a50's pocket

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:01 am

In post 3655, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3651, profii wrote:i am calling roles such as neighbour which came out straight away, unexciting because they dont get guilties on scum

so you are just shading facts here, but im the one losing us the game... interesting
Who the freak mentioned a bloody neighbour?? I said we had a
VIG
claim, a
DOCTOR
claim,
TWO MASONS
, and a
GUNSMITH
claim.

And I didn't say we had a COP claim on D1 either! Do you need new glasses??

my cop bait came PRIOR to all THOSE CLAIMS you HIGHLIGHTED.

at which point it would make sense to bait a night kill... afterwards it's pot luck if you get shot so pointless, hence it was BEFORE

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:10 am

@A50

why dont we lynch LE and you can role block me

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:12 am

Mister Rogers
Gamma Emerald
Akarin
profii
Light Ethos
Creature

there are the players that _could_ be a scum doc, i guess you wont wanna do that because its kinda a 1in 6 chance, technically

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:15 am

I said i would cop FL in 2100

that was specific bait to him because he knows if im a cop im pretty much going to cop him n1 every chance i get.

i thought i did another one but i cant ctrl f it in my iso

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:20 am

In post 3664, Mister Rogers wrote:
In post 3618, Almost50 wrote: The Cop is dead. The Vig is dead. If it was me+N_M then the town has no living PRs.
Does anyone recognize how this assumption is somewhat condemning or am I the only one?

well N_M confirmed his action failed

so that confirms N_M has an action (GS) and it confirms someone can stop it (RB)

none of this is counter claimed so it's fair to say we can rely on those roles being those dudes.

however, what we cant say for certain is alignment.

A50 made a good point that the GS is very much a negative utility. So, that could be town quite easily.

I am getting myself into a paranoid mess over A50 so I went back and looked at his long post about setup spec and had a quiet word with myself. I guess he could be town but I'm still not 100% convinced but I'll go with it for now.

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:23 am

In post 7, Pernicious Parrot wrote:Hello, everyone. I am moderately new to Mafia.

VOTE: profii

Town negative utility should claim.

when I went back and read A50s setup spec post I was thinking about negative utilities and I remembered this dude said this.

Is there a possibility whoever this is (lol I haven't checked subs yet) is a scum player, knows a scum doc exists and is using site newbism to try and find out who is going to get the fake guilties/innos.

Did N_M/TW etc scum read this slot early doors?!

off to check...

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:23 am

In post 3670, Almost50 wrote:
In post 3666, profii wrote:I said i would cop FL in 2100

that was specific bait to him because he knows if im a cop im pretty much going to cop him n1 every chance i get.

i thought i did another one but i cant ctrl f it in my iso
That would be way after all of them.

In post 2682, Almost50 wrote:Nope! My point about tw stilol stands. He mentioned the Vig in 701 & 713 long before FL said he would vig Doughboy in 921, and both before Krazy outed, so it's like FL is the scummiest of the 3, and tw "may or may not" be scum IF FL is scum, but is much more likely to be town if FL flips town.

I p sure I said earlier i did not take those posts as role crumbs

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:30 am

so in 701 TW said Parrot was a good vig shot.

ignoring the discussion about if i thought that was a crumb or not - because I'm really slow and i've only just put 2 and 2 together, it makes sound logical sense that the negative utility would want to vig the person who asked for the negative utility claim.

i am bad at this game ok but that pretty much verifies n_m as town or as close as we will get

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:31 am

In post 3674, Almost50 wrote:Alright then. We need Creature here to give us some insight. If I was to assume you were Town then it's probably Rogers + LE for the scum team.

P.S. @profii: That does make your initial argument about lynching in the neighborhood look better, but your choice of Krazy over Doughboy a bad one. Not too bad if that's the case though. If I assume you're Town I will lynch in these two.

can you summarise why Akarin/naomi doesnt factor in

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 11:39 am

i still think gamma is in contention too

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:06 pm

lol im going to sleep now

I'll read your case tomorrow and i had a flick through the gamma iso just now so ill case that back to you after and we can weigh up the 3 slots

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:52 pm

The last half page says to me if LE scum, so is Rogers so this lynch becomes a 2 for 1

What I’d like to hear from LE + Rogers is of the 28 scum team possibilities, which is your theory on the 1 that it actually is

Because let’s take Rogers - he saw my point that a scum!a50-roleblocker might have role blocked n_m so that n_m didn’t get a guilty anywhere

So that means he is presumably trusting me + n_m and not a50
He also just said LE is widely town read

So he has to say the scum is within {Gamma / Creature}

Which and why please?

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:58 pm

Then we have LE who is “processing”

He pins Rogers as town. He pins Naomi as town.

He says scum teams including {a50 / n_m} are possible

Leaving non-commital positions on {profii / gamma }

You need to decide for yourself where you are going imo - processing is fine but I’m not going to do the work for you. Your call.

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:04 pm

So what does this tell me?

2v6 in this game
If we lynch LE, we lynch Rogers and we can win.

Worst case scenario, mislynch and tomorrow is 2v4

If that is the case, n_m is the nk as he can get guilties, so we are left with

{a50, me, akarin, Gamma, Creature, Rogers}

That means a50 is the lynch and Rogers is the n_k as he is all but inno’d

Leaving us at 1v3 on the last 3 players

It’s then between me and Gamma pretty much - but we can’t get that one wrong as the nk goes to 1v1 and scum win. I know someone said we no lynch but not really any point as it’s obviously between me and gamma and 2 heads probably better than 1 for Creature/akarin there

profii · Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:50 pm

That all probably comes off a bit iioa

I’m kinda assuming a50 is right and I’ll deal with the rest later, hence the lack of really going into it rn. Busy today with work then footy after but will look into some bits later

profii · Mon Oct 01, 2018 12:36 am

I'm actually interested to hear why you have a strong town lean on Rogers

profii · Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:11 am

I have no idea what to do

UNVOTE:

profii · Mon Oct 01, 2018 9:49 pm

In post 3755, Almost50 wrote:unless they were trying to explain why they aren't dead

The good part of this is:

Scum have to kill you or N_M
arguably they are going to want to kill you as you can RB their kill so you are the biggest threat.
however, if they kill you, then we know that LE is probably town because you would need to lynch him as you can't nk him

So that means they will probably kill N_M to cast doubt over your and Le's continued survival.

That means you have to block a NK between

me
Akarin
gamma
Rogers
Creature

so that is our lynch pool for today I think because if we reduce that pool of players, we force scum to flip someone who is going to make things more clear for us tomorrow.

I think it's going to be me gamma or rogers today. I don't really mind which - arguably the least damaging is losing that neighbour claim... then we may inadvertently be in another N_M / A50 position if there is another PR lurking and the RB verifies it within that pool of {Me / Gamma / Akarin} (Assuming A50 wont rb creature)

which means you have a 1 in 3 chance of hitting the scum kill

can someone verify I've not made a mess of that because I made a mess earlier so I could be wrong quite easily??

profii · Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:39 am

Only if you want to hold LE to clarify if he has actually made a full claim or not I guess

But no objections

profii · Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:12 pm

I’m gonna sleep soon and you are all probably on US team so I’m happy to kick off claims if that helps?

profii · Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:12 pm

US time* - ie I sleep through a load of activity generally

profii · Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:36 pm

Right I looked we have 10 days so I don’t need to rush ahead that little bit I guess

Hopefully this will start moving when I get up & I’ll just claim in order

profii · Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:38 pm

Claim VT

profii · Tue Oct 02, 2018 6:55 pm

In post 3775, Akarin wrote:@Mister Rogers: It's an order for claiming any remaining roles.

And I absolutely refuse to lynch NM or Almost today

In addition to LEs point

Something has moved Akarin on those 2 slots there- I’d be eager to hear what

profii · Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:49 pm

I'm inclined to vote Gamma. I re-read his ISO (I actually did Gamma + Nauci)
It was notable on D1 that Gamma enters the game, pushes Creature initially, then starts mainly on Saudade and a little bit on Krazy - but this only happens distinctly when the initial wagon on Crimson dies down - I took that as feeling like Crimson is safe, therefore free to push other targets.

Also, 2186 irk'd me now we know Krazy was town.

So yeah, I'm going to go L-1

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

profii · Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:50 pm

Also forgot to say GE didn't get involved in the resurgent Crimson wagon, I assume this is scum who can't legit defend it, but didn't want to bus either.

profii · Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:04 pm

I was wondering who was bussing

profii · Tue Oct 02, 2018 11:13 pm

actually here is the non-shady way of saying that

you could have unvoted just as easily as I can... you posted 90 mins before I did so if it's a concern of yours, then why are you on there?

I want to lynch gamma so my vote stays, if A50 had L-1'd I would have had no issue hammering. I actually want N_M to come in

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:23 am

In post 3797, Mister Rogers wrote:I just want to make sure that you know what you are doing.

kinda wanna see which one of A50 and N_M hammers.

not a problem to me if we don't out any more PRs before the NK... that can only be good in my mind

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:30 am

In post 3792, Mister Rogers wrote:Creature has not claimed btw...

assume this means you are not saying any more than you're a neighbour.

that means akarin is up next and then creature...

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 2:48 am

You've not really addressed the reasons I've lynched you. (e.g. you stayed the cluck away from Crimson on Day1 - pushing his biggest CW until Crimson was out the water, then stayed away from it when he came back into focus towards the end of day/lynch achieved)

Which makes me think I'm in the right place.

I am not concerned about the last few claims. Akarin ('s slot) pushed Crimson hard day 1 - almost certainly day 1
Creature to be fair I wouldn't mind a claim but given there is so many roles I don't think he'd be able to fabricate anything convincing if he was scum and would probably have to VT it.

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:43 am

In post 3509, Akarin wrote:Scum Not_Mafia faking a guilty gets 1 mislynch, 1 scum lynch, then it's 3 town vs. 1 scum, we no lynch and it's 2v1 LYLO.
Scum Not_Mafia claiming no result as a gambit makes sense if he thinks his buddy wouldn't win LYLO.

If Not_Mafia is town, then we have Even-Cop, Odd-Vig, and Gunsmith and scum Roleblocker and daytalk.
That's a lot of cop power even with a roleblocker.

I’ll give you the benefit of the replace in doubt but...

A50 role blocked n_m

N_m said he was role blocked

Either they are both scum and it’s a gambit

Or he was legit roleblocked

So if you don’t want to lynch then then you are saying they are not buddies - but then you say we have a lot of power

So excuse me for not being totally clear on where you are going

UNVOTE: - I actually really didn’t like that reaction so

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:21 am

I was just reacting

VOTE: gamma

My point still stands but when I thought about it you pushed crimson prettty hard so surely you’re not the busser

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:07 am

In post 3808, Akarin wrote:So it looks to me like profii just kind of latched onto what LE was saying without thinking about it, and a little bit stronger.

I’m just going to latch on again because that’s a valid q from my POV

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:47 am

In post 3819, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3813, profii wrote:
In post 3509, Akarin wrote:Scum Not_Mafia faking a guilty gets 1 mislynch, 1 scum lynch, then it's 3 town vs. 1 scum, we no lynch and it's 2v1 LYLO.
Scum Not_Mafia claiming no result as a gambit makes sense if he thinks his buddy wouldn't win LYLO.

If Not_Mafia is town, then we have Even-Cop, Odd-Vig, and Gunsmith and scum Roleblocker and daytalk.
That's a lot of cop power even with a roleblocker.
I’ll give you the benefit of the replace in doubt but...

A50 role blocked n_m

N_m said he was role blocked

Either they are both scum and it’s a gambit

Or he was legit roleblocked

So if you don’t want to lynch then then you are saying they are not buddies - but then you say we have a lot of power

So excuse me for not being totally clear on where you are going

UNVOTE: - I actually really didn’t like that reaction so
This feels kinda postury with how he just keeps voting me
Profii-Akarin team? Why was NT town again?

I did have the thought that Naomi may have bussed Crimson hard day 1 / combined with inactivity which might have caused Crimson to rage replace out because he actually wanted to play

But that seems overly paranoia-y and the simple answer is she just caught Crimson - usually when my paranoia kicks in that just means people are town

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:48 am

In post 3821, Almost50 wrote:@Gamma: Why are you not worried about this? How come you are almost welcoming the lynch?

This is also a good question

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:49 am

In post 3820, Almost50 wrote:I'm now getting cold feet about Gamma's lynch. He's being way too calm about it, which doesn't concur with his meta (as either alignment).

However I am not getting cold feet - it was tough to get the Crimson lynch to actually go through so I think this is the right way to go in that sense

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:29 pm

Vote gamma because (I am too lazy to post tag, so if you want to verify this interpretation of events, ISO Gamma + Nauci and check)

-1785 - VC = Crimson 3, leading wagon
-1788 - Gammas first post - votes Creature (crim3, crea2)
{3 posts from gamma pushing Creature}
1859 - Gamma quotes Naomi and says case on Creature is shoddy
1896 & 1897 & 1920 - gamma suggesting Creature scum
There was some largely irrelevant debate that Gamma claimed not to want to read 100 odd pages then...

2099 - VC - Crim = 5 vs Creature = 3
2101 + 2111 = Crimson replaces out then changes his mind

2186 - I point out that Krazys votes looks opportunistic given that he gets on the wagon after the claim and people were already getting off - Gamma says he likes that theory - of course, we now know it redeems a scum.

2188 - VC = Crimson 2, Creature 2 - Crimson is now safe

2206 - oh look, now Gamma moves to Saudade - 4 posts after that last VC - he can move his vote off a competing counterwagon because his buddy is safe and he doesn’t need to try and provide the town with some other misdirection (though we know Saud is town ofc)

2266 moves to Krazy (town ofc) - the post comes over as buddying up to Rogers who he was previously arguing about reading the thread. Could be damage limitation

2294 - following post goes back to Krazy

2384 - 2 leading wagons are town (Sash and Saud) - our suspect here is on a leading wagon now, which we know would be a mislynch
**** note to self, see who Saud was pushing - if scum went to Saud and Saud died, logically, Saud could be on the money?

Nothing really happens then as the wagons die down until...

3019 - Crimson is back up to 4 votes - as you flick through this bit of the gamma ISO there is a notable lack of Crimson related content whilst the wagon is reforming- I take this to be a scum buddy who probably knows playing hard defence would be bad

3183 - Crimson up to 6, still nada from Gamma

3211 - Crimson Lynch, still nothing

Seriously guys, go do the ISO, it’s bad - helps to add Nauci so you can see the wagons go up and down

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 7:07 pm

I take it you will role block Rogers so if this flips scum and you die we can clear him

But given your reaction wasn’t to prioritise clearing that up / letting N_M he can check elsewhere if this a mislynch I think you just made a scum slip

Interesting

profii · Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:35 pm

it's Not_mafia tbh, good luck

profii · Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:22 am

who did you check overnight N_M

profii · Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:02 pm

I’ve no idea - you might want to prove Rogers was scum
You might be so confident in Rogers you looked elsewhere
You might have been roleblocked again if A50 thought you were scum (I’m not fluent in The order that might happen)

profii · Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:39 pm

Anyone wanna no lynch

profii · Sat Oct 06, 2018 8:23 pm

If we no lynch, one less player for scum to direct us to as well

profii · Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:44 pm

Why can’t one of us be a scum doc?

profii · Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:20 am

LE

No lynch means

Scum kill n_m

Me and you go into a 3v2 as innos

Or

Scum kill one of us as we are innos - they try and push n_m as the remainders partner / scum doctor

It’s better odds either way than where we are now

profii · Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:05 pm

Well all 4 town players have to be on the same page today so how is that problem better/worse today

profii · Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:14 am

I don't think I'd push for any lynch without everyone thinking it was the right idea - I'm not even voting NL yet until we all have our say etc but that is my preference.

profii · Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:17 am

profii · Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:09 pm

Rogers why are you self voting

profii · Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:15 pm

In post 3879, Mister Rogers wrote:PEDIT: Oh sorry, I thought we were policy lynching me on the advice of Fatboy

wrong answer.

Obviously with 2 votes on yourself, 2x scum could make it 4 and likely win the game with the night kill.

I was hoping you would say with 2 votes on you that you were suggesting N_M is scum therefore the cross vote meant scum couldn't rush and we should vote N_M

Or you were going to say you were watching the thread ready to unvote if anyone made a move - but I would have queried how you did that for such an extended period.

But that's just waffle and you're probably scum...I still think No lynch is the way to go today, but then I think N_M has to check Creature or Akarin tonight to make tomorrow as hard as possible for scum

profii · Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:43 pm

In post 3885, Mister Rogers wrote:Not only have the living scum played well but they will of necessity bussed themselves in this thread.

Crimson97

(7) - Naomi-Tan , Creature,

Almost50

,

Performer

,

Flavor Leaf

, Not_Mafia,

Light Ethos

Naomi-Tan (1) -

Crimson97

Performer

(2) -

Gamma Emerald

, Mister Rogers

Mister Rogers (1) -

profii

(1) -

Krazy

UNVOTE/Not Voting (1) -

Sashaddin

It's tricky because I know N_M was truthful about A) being blocked and B) his result on me.

as per my point on Rogers, carelessly leaving the door open for Scum to lynch him makes me think he has TMI and knows he wont be rushed.

So yes I think he was bussing but I have no idea who of those 3 it can be - logically if Rogers is scum, then N_M and LE are unlikely to both be scum, that means N_Ms results are probably legit, but it could be that he is a scum gunsmith, or it could be that LE is a scum doc.
or it could be creature or akarin

I want to hear what everyone thinks about my theory on Rogers before we go too much further- speculating over N_M/LE/Akarin/Creature only gives scum a roadmap on who to kill tonight so we should perhaps do that after deciding about this rogers development...

profii · Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:28 am

Negative

profii · Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:42 am

Yo Rogers

It’s noted that you have totally not addressed my point that you negligently opened the door for scum to lynch you for 16 hours

Also you are not even pushing that N_M would be the scum in this scenario which would negate my assertion

profii · Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:42 am

Like you should either be going for N_M or trying to push me trying to manufacture a mislynch on that reason

profii · Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:40 pm

In post 3896, Mister Rogers wrote:
In post 3893, profii wrote:Yo Rogers

It’s noted that you have totally not addressed my point that you negligently opened the door for scum to lynch you for 16 hours

Also you are not even pushing that N_M would be the scum in this scenario which would negate my assertion
Yes I have ignored your point. I simply know that I am town and I knew that nobody would hammer. Its not complicated and its not important either.

Regarding obvscum, I simply need to put together all the evidence as it comes from multiple places and relates to multiple separate events. There are plenty of days left here.

Erm no. 2 votes placed on you and it just takes the other 2 scum to coordinate

to win the game before you could unvote

The

only

way you can know that won’t happen is if you

know

one of the current voters on your wagon is scum, negating that effect and you aren’t pushing N_M here so you can only know that you wouldn’t get hammered because you have a scum Pm

profii · Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:59 am

I really want to hear from Creature then i'll just move on

profii · Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:52 pm

VOTE: no lynch

profii · Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:55 am

VOTE: no lynch

profii · Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:43 am

UNVOTE:

Had a thought but will go through it after n_m result

profii · Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:26 pm

What a doozy

profii · Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:02 pm

I don’t think that’s what it says

profii · Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:01 pm

there aren't many ways to interpret it

profii · Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:43 pm

what do you mean?

profii · Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:24 am

Let’s see what the others say

profii · Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:02 am

K Rogers you’re up

profii · Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:15 am

In post 3882, profii wrote:
In post 3879, Mister Rogers wrote:PEDIT: Oh sorry, I thought we were policy lynching me on the advice of Fatboy
wrong answer.

Obviously with 2 votes on yourself, 2x scum could make it 4 and likely win the game with the night kill.

I was hoping you would say with 2 votes on you that you were suggesting N_M is scum therefore the cross vote meant scum couldn't rush and we should vote N_M

Or you were going to say you were watching the thread ready to unvote if anyone made a move - but I would have queried how you did that for such an extended period.

But that's just waffle and you're probably scum...I still think No lynch is the way to go today, but then I think N_M has to check Creature or Akarin tonight to make tomorrow as hard as possible for scum

I still believe this was a scum slip but happy to no lynch today - scum have to kill someone eventually so meh.

profii · Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:34 am

Still waiting for Rogers

profii · Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:51 am

Probably best if N_M confirms he checked you last night tbh

profii · Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:28 am

Lol nah not that

profii · Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:29 am

Although if I’m right you having no idea locks you in as town, hurrah

profii · Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:29 am

In fact if I’m wrong you not considering it makes you town

profii · Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:54 am

In post 3939, profii wrote:Probably best if N_M confirms he checked you last night tbh

This - go for it N_M

profii · Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:25 pm

Ok I think I’m right

N_M said LE has no gun - as much as we know this, it does _not_ say he checked LE last night

He is potentially reaction testing and may or may not have a result on one of you, the unchecked,

profii · Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:30 pm

When I say may or may not have a result - probably better to say “may or may not have a guilty on someone”

Given your lack of concern for this possibility I think you are town otherwise your scum partner would have said don’t jump in n_m might be messing with us

If N_m claims this to be true there might be a scenario where if a doc protected him and N_M had a guilty on Rogers (just an example) we can lynch Rogers safely
Scum kill doc
This verifies n_m but N_m checks 1 of Creature / akarin

The potential benefit is verified gun smith with a guilty and another result tomorrow
But it only works if a] N_M has a guilty and b] doc protected him

But obviously it could have a been a no kill

If we are lucky we get the last guilty, if not we have to really consider the scum doc scenario

profii · Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:31 pm

If N_M doesn't die, how do we ever know he is town?

if he dies tonight, we know his results are trustable or not - we can go from there.

If he has a guilty and a doc protected him, I'd probably take a gamble on the guilty today. If I was gunsmith at this point and I was adamant Rogers was scum, Id guilty him to buy us another day.

If a doc protected him, it explains the no kill - given the slip yesterday it all adds up in my mind.

but if he doesn't have a guilty i'll just no lynch again

profii · Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:34 am

I’d probably say a no lynch is the best course of action. Nothing has really changed since yesterday

profii · Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:23 pm

I want the result

Uncleared Pr refusing to be clear is also something

profii · Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:48 am

Akarin

How is allowing a PR to get away without giving a result less lynch worthy than choosing no lynch

Why is Rogers inactivity which _could_ be anything more lynchable than getting the result and just doing him tomorrow (potentially with another result or a flipped thus verified PR)

I get the game has stalled but still...

profii · Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:56 am

In post 3973, Akarin wrote:Profii, what leverage do you think you have on Not_Mafia exactly? Do you want to lynch him today?

If he isn’t going to give us a sensible result we lynch him and if he loses us the game it’s on him - my conscience would be totally clear there

profii · Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:58 am

In post 3974, Akarin wrote:Also, in the event scum is drunk or something and I'm the kill, my reasoning on Rogers isn't inactivity, it's that there was a no kill and we shouldn't have any protective roles left. The simplest explanation for that is that scum didn't submit the kill.
THAT
is something big.

So you are saying the other scum dude went

“My pal isn’t here so I’ll just no kill for now and see how it goes”

Personally I’d kill, bus the inactive scum dude and try and win lylo

Saying that - I think Rogers is scum for the reasons I have yester-game-day but I think it’s better to lynch after another no lynch and one more flip where we are more informed

profii · Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:03 am

I don’t think there is a doctor I’m just saying if by some miracle there is, then they should verify n_m

profii · Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:08 am

So you aren’t x shot bullet proof or have to choose when you activate? You just die or you don’t?

profii · Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:36 am

Result pls

profii · Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:40 am

Who do you wanna lynch

profii · Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:45 am

Who’s his pal

profii · Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:05 pm

Woop

No offence backup mod

profii · Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:05 pm

In post 3995, Not_Mafia wrote:It's Senor Rodrigues and Akarin ZzzzZzzzzZZZZzzz

Result

profii · Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:07 am

In post 3999, Light Ethos wrote:
In post 3998, profii wrote:
In post 3995, Not_Mafia wrote:It's Senor Rodrigues and Akarin ZzzzZzzzzZZZZzzz
Result
Result

Result

profii · Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:08 am

I’m so tempted to saying fuck it if we lose it’s on N-M and voting him

profii · Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:28 am

LE and Akarin if you were forced to vote today rather than no lynch, what’s your preference

profii · Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:35 am

Hurrah

profii · Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:33 pm

*gets the popcorn*

profii · Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:39 am

Omg ha ha

profii · Sun Oct 21, 2018 12:40 am

In post 4012, Light Ethos wrote:
In post 4005, profii wrote:LE and Akarin if you were forced to vote today rather than no lynch, what’s your preference
I don't think that's a wise question to answer.

True well you may have to if n_m keeps this up

but let’s wait

profii · Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:22 am

The point is at what point do we give up on N_M

profii · Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:36 am

Exactly - I’m torn between voting n_m for game throwing out of principal or voting Rogers who I still think scum slipped... but why should I play properly

profii · Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:48 am

VOTE: not_mafia

I’ve had enough

profii · Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:16 am

Why do powers matter at this point? If we are lynching we are either looking for scum or we lose

profii · Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:56 am

UNVOTE:

So we have

N_M - proven night action, no alignment known
LE - no gun
Profii - no gun
Akarin - no gun
Rogers - ?
Creature - ?

So one of us no gunners _could_ be a scum doc

That could either be with N_M giving us false positive or just a happy accident where the other scum is within the ?’s

I feel like despite this result there are so many possibilities we are no further forward
I’m gonna go look at the VCs later

profii · Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:13 am

ok so here we go, just some VCA

Day 1
2099 - crimson wagon is forming, all of us are on it, except N_M who is on Akarin with Crimson.

2453 - Saudade picks up to 4, only person alive on it is Rogers.

3211 - Crimson then got lynched, me and Rogers off lynch.

Day 2.
3452 - We didnt really stray from Performer - me, LE, Rogers, N_M all on the lynch.

Day 3
3835 - again a fairly straight forward day, the only wagon that picked up was the inevitable Gamma lynch. LE, me, Rogers, Akarin all on there.