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In post 162, AP wrote:You mean town town, or the other way around? You were Frau Farbissina of late. What makes you think I can trust you off the gate this time around?
Are we going to do this dance every game from now on, AP?
No I think he's town town. He literally skated by as scum in Mini 2038. Come on, you just played against scum!him
What are you sheeping? The RCE read?In post 171, profii wrote: i like to bait a bit
I think I'm sheeping ofrhz jumping to a conclusion, could just be wrong, but i wondered if you were informed if you reacted in a way that might reinforce the ~reason~ actually being right.
we will find out later, still not worth a lynch right now
Yeah that question was silly and pinged me a bitIn post 172, RCEnigma wrote:Does an AP wagon truly need a reason?
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This deserves its own postIn post 173, Maxous wrote:If I wasn't already voting ofrhz, I would probably be starting now.
Pretty underwhelming imo.
I think Creature is getting rather easy town reads considering he's been all over the place early on
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Both leaning town - I think Garmr was omgus'ing a little bit in pushing the Creature wagon, and I'm not seeing the push as scummy even though I disagree with it.In post 189, RCEnigma wrote: Ofrhz what do you think about Garmr and Creature?
I'll be honest, whatever reasoning you're trying to extract out of me here is completely going over my headIn post 198, profii wrote:@ofrhz - yeah I might be guessing at why you made that town read, but it seemed like you would spot the reason I’m thinking based on that game we just finished
AP town, xx probably town as well
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Did I case flubbz? That doesn't really sound like me tbhIn post 309, Carcalilly wrote:I can sheep ofrhz because I'm too lazy to make my own case but I didn't like flubbers posts to begin with :>
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Not enough dataIn post 375, Completly Trustworthy wrote:Ohrz, what is your read of Maxxous? You said he sucked in 188, but do you think he is a bad townie or is he actually scummy to you?
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honestly im waiting for season 3 cause i binged season 2 like a week ago and i kinda refuse to watch anything on hulu if im paying for adsIn post 405, ofrhz wrote:ProdgeSpoiler:-
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ELI5 how the mod being more persnickety wrt rules and activity makes me more likely to remember them and/or consciously circumvent themIn post 437, Performer wrote:ofhrz - the host is very serious about his rules so ofrhz's prodge doesn't look right, makes me doubt my tr of him earlier. Prods are given every 36 hours AND prodges don't remove that. That and ofrhz scum meta looks like he tries to stay under the radar, making his prodge look like it comes from scum ofhrz . ofhrz are you town here?
Also I was very busy irl during my last scumgame (might not have mentioned this in the game thread but probably did in the scum PT... if I didn't have it redacted lel) and still did my damndest to post everyday and stay within prod range so nope-
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lightly townreading xx but also hating like every other post of theirs so I won't fight his lynchIn post 487, DVa wrote: xx2008
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uhhh are you trying to say it'd be a low info lynch
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I mean, to answer your question, I prefer aIn post 497, DVa wrote:Basically.
How do we measure:
a) the potential value of d1's lynch for informing reads
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null? maybe nullscum? I'm interested in why he decided to lolvote meIn post 505, DVa wrote:Put that aside for the moment -- what's your read of Sephiroth? Do you find town in his posts?
Also I'm curious why you singled out seph here over other people, like say flubbz for instance, on that list-
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I’m kind of townreading him for this nglIn post 633, RCEnigma wrote: That and his play is almost exactly parallel to his top scumreads play
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Yeah I’d like this question answered as well. When you said “town play,” it read like possible tmiIn post 682, Flubbernugget wrote:
WhatIn post 675, Shattiel wrote:
garm or trustworthy?In post 672, Flubbernugget wrote:The one that says "wait for maxous to confirm the masonry and do something else in the meantime"
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Why?In post 752, AP wrote:In post 713, DVa wrote:Ok with Creature's list I'm within: {FA_Q2, Maxous, Saudade, Sephiroth, Flubbernugget}
Who we voting from our remaining 5? Which of those 5 names are worth striking?Sephiroth is TOWN
Ugh please don't. A50 is a bitch to sort compared to APIn post 837, AP wrote:I'm not feeling this game, like AT ALL. For one thing, everybody's throwing up reads with not much of an explanation. For another, I can hardly play role, and it makes me feel sad I joined with AP.
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Why are you still not votingIn post 868, Shattiel wrote:I'm getting off my lazy ass now guys getting there.
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So why did you think Seph was a trash lynch here?In post 756, Flubbernugget wrote:
They're both trash lynchesIn post 742, DVa wrote:
why is Sephiroth a better lynch than you flubber?In post 740, Flubbernugget wrote:Day is almost half over.
Next question
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Uhhhh I guess based on past experience, DVa's play is usually "find scum --> lynch scum" rather than "find the highest info lynch"In post 1076, Performer wrote:
Was this ever answered, ofrhz?In post 553, Performer wrote:In post 497, DVa wrote:Basically.
How do we measure:
a) the potential value of d1's lynch for informing reads
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b) the dead weight on future days
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I'm not sure it's super relevant because there really hasn't been anyone super scummy this game for her to push-
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In a recently completed game, RCEnigma and I were scum together. RCE identified some weird interactions between two possible PRs, and I thought those two were masons together based on said weird interactions. It's not really relevant to this game tbhIn post 1125, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What is this about putting the idea of masons in peoples heads?In post 311, RCEnigma wrote:Ahh well no to be fair I put the idea of masons in her head because I thought the Sephiroth/invis dynamic was so...odd.
I regret making that post now because if you had come out with your line of thinking I would have had a better read on Ofrhz.
Gamma is probably town tho yay-
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You were asking me to move my vote off of your PoE lynch candidate onto another PoE lynch candidate. I didn't see the point, and tbh I was a little suspiciousIn post 1129, DVa wrote:
I also wanted to understand why you kinda felt resistance to Sephiroth when I was starting the PoE. I wasn't sure if there was a gut townread there or whether I was just throwing you off by trying a new approach. While I partly gut townread you based on RVS this is lurky even for town you. But I think if you start playing more, and you are town, your reads can be good, so.In post 1126, ofrhz wrote:I'm not sure it's super relevant because there really hasn't been anyone super scummy this game for her to push-
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I was going to say these are bad, but I'm actually not sure Creature is still town.In post 1103, Maxous wrote: Still have the same 3 scum-reads.
Creature- made a poor start to the game and flailed like crazy when people asked him simple questions about his reads. He's just sheeping the confirmed town now and is not even giving reads anymore.
Propably just trying to stay quiet and let the heat die down on him.
AP- He has very few scumreads I can find for someone that has written so many posts. I think some of his town reads that he was giving were overly simplistic and fake to the point where i have a hard time believing he was genuine about them.
ofrhz- I explained here my problem with his early play. Since then he's done nothing but sheep the confirmed town. Could be lazy town i suppose but meh, feels more like low effort scum
I mean, I didn't sheep FL when he dubbed you scum, because I was sort of townreading you. So idk why the hell you're pursuing this angle.-
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erIn post 1120, Sephiroth wrote:Have we wagoned ofhrz yet and can we?
you literally just played with scum me. Explain why you want to wagon me right now.-
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I liked his flubbernugget vote, so mainly mindmeld
His catchup might seem a little bit of busywork, but I don't think that's AI based on
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LolIn post 1176, Flubbernugget wrote: So I can summarize my catch up basically by responding to this post.
First and foremost, scum theater is an association between two unflipped players. You dont push that as scum without flips. That's mafia 101.
Why are you throwing weak shade? And why are you testing the waters with weak shade to vote me once others approve of it?
1. I was very obviously catching up when I asked this question
2. Based on my voting history, I think it's pretty clear that I don't have any qualms about voting for you, so your accusation that I was "testing the waters" is absurd
- The two people on the wagon at that point was DVa and CreatureSecond, sephiroth was a trash wagon, and is even more a trash wagon with FL doing everything short of admitting the scum read is a vendetta. There was no explanation from the gate, and the wagon started off of sheeping FL via countdown status. That's not acceptable. Conftown is still probably going to hit town in their reads unless they have a damn good case.
Seph is probably town, and if they do end up flipping town, it's guaranteed scum were crawling over that wagon.
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Are you still townreading Flubber? If so, why?In post 1193, profii wrote:
sheeping this reason, much preferable to flubberIn post 1175, Sephiroth wrote:Still don't understand why we're not wagoning active lurker extraordinaire Ofhrz right now
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You're enjoying this, aren't youIn post 1195, AP wrote:Awww.. a wagon on ofrhz-
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We did play together briefly in Espeonage's game (Mini 2021? I think), but you replaced in shortly before I was killed.In post 1206, Garmr wrote: Ohrz-Is probably more informational because his more controversial with more mixed reads on him. Nothing he has done has peaked my interest through. I'm not sure he will turn out in the future since I haven't played with him from memory.
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Pretty sure my vote was on xx before thisIn post 1228, shortaru wrote:Fancy way to post a naked vote, talking about others before putting a vote down for someone that isn't being discussed in the post.
I've been subtly trying to turn this game into a SUAVIn post 1229, shortaru wrote:
Oh, you're one ofIn post 479, ofrhz wrote:Did I case flubbz? That doesn't really sound like me tbhthose.
This playerlist hasn't been too keen on that so far-
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I thought the "townreading Creature while still voting for him" was slightly scum indicative
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ya I think we should lynch off wagon today as wellIn post 1426, AP wrote:the wagon is mostly pure town.-
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Probably {xx, Max} > saudade / nosIn post 1432, RCEnigma wrote:Nos, myself, Nero, maxous, xx, sephiroth, shattiel, saudade. Do you have an order of preference ofrhz?
These are all the slots not on the flubber lynch eod.
Saudade and nos are there because I don't think I can really read them
Since Gamma is townreading xx and profii/AP both have max in their sights,
VOTE: Max
I guess there's also something to be said for sheeping the dead-
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One what? One scum?In post 1471, Performer wrote:Hm. Interesting interactions between FL, GE, AP. I keep thinking that there is one based on the flipped information for flubb & dva, as well as having an IC. Maybe I'm mistaken.-
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Idk his case on AP was weird and not good. If I thought two of my three scumreads from d1 were likely wrong, the first thing I’d do coming out of the game in d2 isn’t to case my third remaining scumread from d1. Like maybe that’s just me.In post 1454, RCEnigma wrote: Do you have anything for a case against maxous in particular? Or did you just want to have two wagons?
Dva was also scumreading him yesterday though I don’t think she ever said why ( ), and I’m kind of sheeping this right now since her reads are >rand
I should probably do a metadive on max at some point but I’m kind of lazy rn
It’s not that I want two wagons running against each other necessarily. I don’t really like either the AP or the profii wagon
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- Based on a skim of flubber’s last two scumgames, he doesn’t seem inclined to throw his partners into the spotlight like he sort of did with AP yesterday.
- AP’s reasoning behind his flubb vote was that he had no strong scumreads. I think that’s an okay reason to jump on a wagon, so idk why max said AP voted without explanation there. And maybe it’s just me, but it wasn’t obvious that the Flubbernugget wagon was going to take off when AP jumped on.
- Also this is kind of a stretch but AP knows I’m an easy mislynch, especially when I’m under pressure, so I guess him not jumping on my counterwagon earns him another townpoint.
Profii:
- Flubber’s interactions with profii didn’t seem partner-y. Idk how to explain that further lol
- If you go into profii’s post history, he consistently uses the word “informed” in lieu of “tmi” throughout all of his games. So I don’t think him throwing out the word is a good reason to scumread him
I’m basically looking for a better wagon than these two rn-
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Just curious, was the other name for IC that you had encountered previously?In post 1488, xx2008 wrote:
Why do you think they are weird questions?In post 1485, Performer wrote:In post 1483, xx2008 wrote:Does IC mean a role that is revealed at the start of the game?
What does a strongman do?
I haven't heard of them before, but I always keep forgetting to ask.
These are very, very weird questions to ask. Anyway, an IC revealed means that person is the designated Inexperienced Challenged guy for the game. A strongman just means a role that is strong enough that, if he targets a tpr, he ends up wiping out the rest of the tprs in the game. Sad and super powerful , I know.In post 1484, xx2008 wrote:@fl, you hammered flubber day1 very quickly without waiting for his claim. Were there any reasons other than the ones you stated day1 for doing so?
I reviewed Varsoon, FL, and your game where you were tpr Town Tracker with my friend James Doakes the jk. I didn't get a newbie vibe like the one you have in this game. GE somehow tr on you and I don't recall ap mentioning a read on you.
AP what do you think of xx & my case on him. He's in my scum pool. Why on earth he wavered on you and flubb, is suspicious.I have heard of the IC role under a different name before,but I have never heard of a strongman. I didn't think it was much of a different role at first, but things started to get a little confusing, so that's why I asked.-
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*inIn post 1504, ofrhz wrote:Yes but I’m the post he’s responding to, #1 troll performer said IC = Inexperience challenged
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Even if we didn't lynch scum day one, were scum just going to sit back and not use their night actions? This postIn post 1585, Maxous wrote:The result on AP isn't damning but it would be expected that scum was busy last night considering we whacked one on Day 1-
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uhhhh why did you vote AP here?In post 1621, Nosferatu wrote:{AP, garmr, performer}
{seph, ofrhz, shat}
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{profii, lily, max}
{ct, xx}
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VOTE: AP