Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

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VOTE: manatee

Morning everyone.

@saudaude. I done told errybody, I didn’t kill Ricky.

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I agree that was a pretty straight forward question.

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Well that explanation definitely should have been added with your original post. I don’t think anyone would have known that was what you were asking

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Well that explanation definitely should have been added with your original post. I don’t think anyone would have known that was what you were asking

I asked him to explain what he said. Not that complex.

I guess i

could

have been more specific initially but I really wanted to see where he would take the convo before I dug deeper on it.

Explaining what he said isn’t the same as what you asked originally. Now that you’ve explained, that makes more sense

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Well that explanation definitely should have been added with your original post. I don’t think anyone would have known that was what you were asking

Doughboy, using that same logic, do you understand my curiosity with crimsons statement?

Now that you explained what you were asking, yes I understand why you asked it.

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VOTE: saudade
Gut is pinging me here.

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How is it his fault?

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I feel this is a natural response, and could easily see that i naked RVS’d him in my first post, then Saudade got some votes after.

I don’t feel the “How is it his fault?” question matters because it’s not overly serious no matter what the answer to that question is since it’s so early.

This seems like forced content. While it is early, i think it’s a good starting point. :shrug:

VOTE: Doughboy

There is absolutely nothing natural about his responses. No townie gets voted and says “oh no”.

If his “it’s your fault” comment was serious, he should t have posted it. Since he did it deserves a response imo. You chainsawing him is highly suspicious.

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How is it his fault?

I'm not going to chew down everything for you

No please do

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I think my responses are the most natural ones on this site

lol no

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He was first to vote me, thus its all his fault.
you happy now little baby?

No. Vote stays

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Whereas Doughboy was actually pinged by you, and then attempted discrediting with the “how is it his fault?” by talking down to you a little.

I can appreciate Rocky using that as a starting point to get themselves into the game. Scum could just lurk out and not draw that kindness of attention to themselves like that.

That wasn’t an attempt to discredit him. It was an attempt to have him explain his statement because it didn’t make sense to me. Why the misrep?

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VOTE: Krazy

Serious vote.

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might be as i read ahead a bit before jumping back to try and follow logic chains... but I wasn't feeling any redness from Saudade

But I was hence the vote. His reactions don’t feel genuine to me and he’s got a bad attitude so that pings me.

what even is... give a reason for this >_<

We are neighbors and his first attempt at game discussion is asking if I’m a Pr. Since I don’t know his alignment and he supposedly doesn’t know mine, that is a question that should never be asked.

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I think doughboy isn't familiar with site meta or something.

Why because you blatantly tried to role fish me and I was suspicious of it?

You are right though, I am not familiar with site meta but I still know what you did was wrong.

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I town read Saudade for our Page 3 conversation mainly.

I don’t really see anything alignment indicative in that exchange. Overall his posts have been scummy. Please explain what you see that’s townie cause I don’t understand

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@doughboy - he asked you that, yet when I talked about Doughboy vs Rocky, he chose to go Rocky over you.

I think I find that townier of Krazy.


However, I think I’m starting to lean town on Doughboy.

If he’s trying to get me to let my guard down, he wouldn’t want to vote me.

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@doughboy - he asked you that, yet when I talked about Doughboy vs Rocky, he chose to go Rocky over you.

I think I find that townier of Krazy.


However, I think I’m starting to lean town on Doughboy.

If he’s trying to get me to let my guard down, he wouldn’t want to vote me.

Fair point. I understand your thought process with it.

From his perspective, though, couldn’t he see you as scum and trying to see how you react? Why does he have to be scum? Why can’t you both be town and not know anything yet?

I don’t think we are both town. I may be naive here and my lack of experience on this site showing, but I can’t ever see a possibility where the first game related post is asking if I’m a Pr. Like if he wanted to feel me out he could ask about reads or something. I never would even think to ask that question unless I was pretty comfortable with someone and definitely not day 1.

While I understand not everyone plays like me, there are also logic that has to be considered. I can’t see the logic behind town Krazy asking that question.

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so nobody else is going to vote Krazy?

Can somebody explain why town Krazy asks that as his first game related question? He could have literally asked anything else. What am I missing?

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Why does him being neighbor make him a higher chance of being town? My experience with neighbors is there is always one scum. Though I’m used to 3 people. Like why not just do masons if we are both town? This is a normal game right? I feel like neighbors with both town is kindness of trickery.

Anyways. I’ll leave my vote on him for now. I don’t see much from him in the game so far. At best he’s null

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Idk. I’m sorry if I jumped the gun but gut says town doesn’t ask that question. I need to develop some town reads asap.

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On Pokemon Showdown, self-vote is seen as gamethrowing and we usually claim neg util D1. Also, sorry if I use "lynch" instead of "vote for," as this is the terminology used on PS.

Seeing that RVS is over,

UNVOTE:

Self voting should be looked down upon on every site. There is no excuse for it imo.

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What scum flat out asks if someone’s a PR out of nowhere, though?

Good point. But I don’t know why town would either so that’s why I’m torn here.

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Read the player based on if you find them townie or scummy, don’t focus on being in the neighborhood makes them more likely, that’s just outguessing the mod.

Well based on his play so far he’s scummy. Don’t like his rocky vote and don’t see any scum hunting yet.

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am entirely confused as to why a D1 role claim this early partially when revealing 2 roles Also what is this whole Pr part there..

I mean you asked me why I voted didn’t you? If I refused your reason that would have just created more drama. I’d rather just be honest and open.

like you should of evaded some how. It would of looked worse but its better than this..

Worse than what? Neighbors aren’t power roles. They are of no help to town. Even if he didn’t ask me that question I wouldn’t talk game with him until I was felt he was town. I never understood neighbors. Personally don’t care for them and if that makes me a nk target, better me than a real PR.

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He flavor normally arrogant? I get an arrogant vibe and it’s sort of off putting.

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I know you do not know me but if I write "is u da tpr" or "is u da maf" I am attempting, clearly in vain, to be humorous.

Doesn’t seem very funny. Is there a reason why you aren’t scum hunting yet?

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I honestly didn't think there was any response other than "Wouldn't you like to know!" Somehow the ice must be broken, but I guess I can just ignore that thread because clearly this guy is a neighbor in name only. If your response to literally any first question is to go into the game thread and announce who you are neighbors with then you clearly are not someone worth talking to in private anyway. So I guess as an unintentional reaction test it "worked" even though that wasn't really the point.

Anyway I'm still waiting for Horror to do more than a single post so

1. . Still no scum hunting being done. Why?

2. You fucked yo, not me. Don’t be putting any blame on me please. I did the reasonable thing

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Naomi just pushes everything that I do as town and pushes it as Red, so I really just don’t feel like dealing with it.

But your posts appear more red than town. Your reads make almost no sense if you are town so I while I have issues with her posting style, she’s making more sense than you are.

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I go about thinking all of my reads are correct until something shows me otherwise. Even if I’m only like 15% sure, imma go forth like i am right, because it helps me heighten that percentage or lower that percentage. I flip flop a lot, but I do it with confidence.

This is a bad way Training play imo. You should only treat people like town if you absolutely think they are town. If you are 15% sure on somebody you shouldn’t treat them like they are a strong town read.

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@Krazy
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Analyse Naomi ?

I’m not a fan but I like her better than flavor/saud/Krazy. I feel like she’s at least trying which is more than I can say for Saude/Krazy

Side note, I’m going to have a real problem following the game if flavor is going to continue to spam post. Multiple posts in a row is too much and I find myself just ignoring them which is bad

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he role claimed.

Serious question. Do you REALLY believe he missed it?

Also thoughts on krazy’s lack of content. You voted profli but I don’t see you mentioning krazy’s no content.

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Right now Im just reading krazy as kinda having low morale after there joke so critically backfired, they are communicating at least and have at least done 3x as much as profii.

Show me this 3x more. I can’t wait to see that.

Imo he hasn’t done anything at all. 1 game related post and it was weak. Asking for a game where scum voted in rvs? What for? To confirm something most people with mafia experience know is true?

So link me to his other useful posts please.

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For the record Krazy now said his “joke” was an attempt to teach me how to use my role of being a neighbor.

I can’t possible understand how asking me if I’m a Pr does that. Maybe somebody else can explain it to me.

There is no way to use a neighbor role. You basically are forced to talk to somebody you don’t know and hope they are town and if they aren’t boom, you’re dead.

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More words doesn’t = more content though.

Both slots are void of useful content. Krazy hasn’t done anything to help find scum yet. Profli hasn’t either.

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Yup pretty much my thoughts on the matter

But you just tried to argue Krazy has done 3x more stuff this game which makes this a contradiction...

God you make my head hurt.

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VOTE: saudade

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learn to play the game or fuck off

This isn’t necessary. Especially if you are town because you haven’t shown you know how to play yet.

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I’m not appreciating the insults. First you tell me to fuck off and then you call me dumb. Its not necessary or appreciated.

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I’m done with this game for a few days. I can’t tolerate toxicity

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Heads up. I let the mod know I’m v/la for a couple of days. The toxicity from saudade is too much for me rn.

@saudade. Those weren’t misreps. You did both of those things so do what you must.

TTFN.

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Casts a vote on me, doesnt explain said vote.
goes v/la.
Fantastic

Oh thought it was obvious. I already was in record saying your earlier posts were fake. Then you gave me hassle when I asked you to explain your flavor comment, then you pretended like you didn’t see the neighbor claim.

At best you are scum. At worst you are somebody who should be policy lynched. It’s day one so I’m fine with either option. You aren’t trying to find scum and you don’t play well in the sandbox.

Save your apologies. You don’t mean it. It’s fake like everything else you’ve posted.

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You crossed the line. Not me. You should replace out. Your entire attitude is anti-town. Being abrasive doesn’t make people want to work with you if you are town.

Faking ignorance is one of the easiest way to get town cred. Unless you are absolutely new to mafia, I doubt you’ve nver heard of neighbors. It’s listed as the possible roles for town on the wiki.

Idk why I waste my time. You are one of those people who are “never wrong”.

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Claiming PR in the beginning of day one is anti town

Neighbours.... debateable

Neighbor isn’t a Power role. It’s a glorified vt. It has no actual power and serves no purpose other than to create paranoia. I’m paranoid enough as town don’t need extra things to screw with me.

That said I do apologize to the mod. I’m sure they think it’s a useful role and I’ve probably ruined an aspect of their game design by outing myself, but to be fair it’s really Krazy’s fault.

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krazy train

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Can the Saudade and flavor please condense your posts. You two are the highest posters and it’s more noise than content.

Thank you

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I actually think Naomi is scum, though. Rather strong scum, she just didn’t expect me to be able to fight back.

The fact no one joined in actually lends me to believe she’s scum even more, which i could see Frank also fitting the bill as being a scum who helped derail it in that case, actually...

That’s a pre flip, though

I don’t really seem scum intent in her posts. They feel genuine enough. The fact that it hasn’t gained traction could just be people don’t agree with you. You are clearly conf.biased

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skips RVS
>FoS with no vote is not townie for d1

Both bad reasons to vote somebody. Skipping RvS is null. The point of FOS is to indicate you suspect somebody without voting aka he used it right.

Don’t really agree with the rest of your post either. Frank is solid town for me.

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Krazy, I sure hope you arent trying to jump on me to get the attention off of yourself. Your vote on me is kinda bad

Interesting theory but agreed about his bad vote.

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Ok caught up.

VOTE: manatee

Let’s hear some stuff.

My scum reads atm atm/Krazy/flavor

People I’d Pl profli and the worst

Town is frank, Naomi, and I think ethos.

Not sure about the rest.

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People I’d Pl profli

any reason?

Your lack of contribution. Your lack of words. Lack of scum hunting

These 2/3 word posts make yourself harder than be read and it’s working cause I can’t read.

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*you

Ebwop

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These 2/3 word posts make yourself harder than be read and it’s working cause I can’t read you

Until you cut the fake post restriction out, you will remain policy lynch material. You made the choice to fake a Pr. You deal with the consequences

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Why? Given:

Sorry I don’t understand your request. Please explain in detail what you want from me.

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Personally I think the duck should take the rope today for he had many chances to contribute and chose not to, there is nothing to indicate he's a townplayer playing a town game

There is nothing to indicate you are a town player playing a town game.

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I’m chill. I’m pointing out the hypocrisy

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Idk. What happened to him?

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Hey parrot. What happened to you?

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People I’d Pl profli and the worst

elaborate on this.

Too much fluff. Too annoying

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Why do people care why is Pl them if I’m not trying to PL them?

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Manatee logged on this evening and didn’t post. I wonder why.

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Mechanics which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Post Restrictions (other than those included in the ruleset, such as "No quoting your Role PM").

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

he's trolling fam

Interesting.

VOTE: profli

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VOTE: manatee

Thanks for dropping the restriction profli.

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Logged in again and still not posted. Now it’s becoming suspicious

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Oops got prodded, gimme a bit to catch up.

Why have you logged on multiple times but not posted?

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This post is making it a lot harder to read light as either alignment.

Why

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This post is making it a lot harder to read light as either alignment.

Why

I'm not sure if posting a huge wall defending himself comes from town or scum in this situation.

Ok thanks. Now please answer my other ones. Think I had 1/2 more.

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I feel much better about my manate vote.

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update nobody is reading my posts

I read them. Didn’t see anything convincing

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VOTE: the worst

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considering how bad doughboy is, i'll take that vote as a compliment.

I haven’t been bad at all but ok

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Tw preparing for a fake claim. Don’t believe him.

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Trying to find some scum games of tw. He loves to fake claim as scum.

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So you're an alt right? Is this a meme account or a real account?

Pedit: @dough

No I’m not an alt.

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anyway since this Muppet outed it

I'm literally a town gunsmith. I nearly cried when I saw this role.

Who outed what?

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When’s player guarantees they aren’t getting lynched, they outed yourself.

And I didn’t put you as a town Pr. I outed you as scum getting ready to fake a Pr.

Realy pr doesn’t make that kind of post. Sorry

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*themselves

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UNVOTE:

VOTE: manatee

Don’t believe tw but not voting a claimed Pr

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So you're an alt right? Is this a meme account or a real account?

Pedit: @dough

No I’m not an alt.

Neighborhoods always have scum and the worst always fakeclaims pr... these are things you say with one game from newbie queue? Are you doing hard meta on the duck or wtf is with your posts? These are not things a new player says.

You do realize other sites use neighbors don’t you? I already said MY experience is one scum.

And yes I started metaing a couple of people I can’t read. Started with the people I was willing to Pl

I’m not new to mafia. I’m new here.

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if anyone who can spell "really" thinks I haven't been crumbing tpr in ISO I'm happy to talk to them. Dough is just really bad.

Easy to fake crumb a Pr especially when you have a history of fake claiming PRs.

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But yes. I’m so bad. I suck at mafia.

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Why are to so sure he’s legit?

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you*

People with REAL powers don’t typically out themselves that easily

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Have you ever been fooled by scum before? Ever been fooled by him?

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Sometime this work week, I plan on iso’ing Everyone and getting fresh thoughts on everyone. I’ll do my best to keep an open mind and not let me be biased.

Except flavor and saude. Too much posting. I’m going to need a cop clear to trust either of them.

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VOTE: Light Ethos

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If we was irl and you said this as a reasoning I'd tossed a plushie or a pillow at you. gosh thats a frustrating response.

This made me laugh

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Sure it’s easy to say everything about him is nai but they are still scummy and it’s the combination of them all. Scum still lurk in mafia even if town does too. It’s a good lynch even if you disagree.

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False. The combination of them all is townie.

Agree to disagree

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Give him some time to play the damn game. It’s Day 1. Not like this has been going on for multiple day phases.

He wasn’t a replacement. He’s had the same amount of time as everyone else who didn’t replace out. He’s had time. He’s intentionally lurking

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False. The combination of them all is townie.

Agree to disagree

Well, alright. Manatee’s town, though. So you’ll be proven the wrong one eventually.

Or he’s scum and I’ll be proven right. Best case he’s scum. Worst case he’s an acceptable policy lynch.

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It’s Day 1. I’ve literally gotten to a Day 4 with like 5 posts as town before

That wouldn’t fly if I was in the game. Any town who lets a player lurk that long is a bad one imo.

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I’m the towniest person here.

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But yeah, pressure goes to inactive around Day 2 if they don’t start. Like hard pressure.

Day 1 you can nudge, but i think it’s hella dumb to push it. Some people don’t do well without flips and can’t get themselves into the game.

I spend a lot of lurking as town in Day 1’s for the reason of not being into the game yet.

All I wanted was to nudge. He’s not responding. Town would most likely respond. I’d rather lynch my scum reads but that doesn’t look like it’ll happen so this is fine

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I’m the towniest person here.

Right, you’re the village idiot here so it’s like obv town for you. Got it.

Why the insults? Why can’t I just have a different opinion?

Wish people would be civil.

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Why wouldn’t scum respond?

Not knowing how to? From what I can tell he’s been scum on site twice. Both times he’s replaced out. Haven’t looked too see if he has replaced out as town but maybe he doesn’t know how to be scum?

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I’m the towniest person here.

Right, you’re the village idiot here so it’s like obv town for you. Got it.

Why the insults? Why can’t I just have a different opinion?

Wish people would be civil.

When you start using logic, then sure. I’m not going to approve of crap logic and a policy lynch. I’m super against that, and think it’s terrible play.

I’m using logic. You are also using logic. We use logic based on our own ideas of how players play and more importantly experience. To insult me by saying I’m an idiot and not using logic is really crossing the line.

First saudade, now you.

Y’all want to bully me? Fine.

mod request replacement

This game isn’t a friendly environment anymore.

P.edit. You’ll have to vote whoever replaces me.

Later guys.

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I was giving Creature a bunch of town points for going along with the mason claim

Now it’s over. Please explain why town would go along with a fake mason claim?

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Flavor was honorary scum. On another site I play they assign least valuable town and most valuable mafia. Flavor would win both

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And yeah, how is going along with a mason claim a towntell
You need to learn to actually reanalyze the game and not just go with the status quo

Preach on

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I caught one scum, and i helped one scum. I balanced out.

I caught one scum more than you did. I was all over nm’s fake claim. You latched on to somebody who others suspected and tried to take credit for the lynch.

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sorry I’m just bitter. I am not a fan of people who play against town when they are town.

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I won this game but mr rogers killed my will to live

Rogers was definitely something else.

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I like that term. It’s wagonimirific

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Was he an alt account?

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Sassonomics

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Krazy is legit crazy good

@krazy. Teach me to be good like you

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Why does Krazy think I’m dangerous as scum- I suck as scum haha

Only as scum?

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Just bustin chops. I suck at mafia.

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For something on 163 apparently...

but if it was for naughty words I guess NM got warned too??

C word