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[Nero Cain]

You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.

both jailkeeper and bodyguard are protectives and it's just a safe general assumption to assume that there is protection. But yeah, protection ablities have already been claimed anyways.

[Maxous]

{Garmr, Sephiroth, Shattiel, Performer, Carcalilly} <== Very probably town

{Nero Cain, ofrhz, profii, RCEnigma} <== Probably town

- - -

{Ap} <== scum

{Gamma Emerald} <== Probably scum

{Saudade, xx2008, Nosferatu, Completly Trustworthy} <== The rest i'm not sure about


This is what i'm working off in terms of a read-list

[Nero Cain]

If your case wasn't solely "I know this and I know that" I'd slightly consider if it could come from town or not.

because thats a random conclusion and the way you push it like ot should be obvious is why i scumread you

Nero Cain has been lynched. He was:

Spoiler:

Welcome, Nero Cain, to Children of Hurin Mafia!

We have to be careful.....


You are Mablung, a

Town Hider

.

At night, you may hide behind another player. You cannot be killed directly if you are hiding, but if the player you are hiding behind gets killed, you will also perish.

You win when all scum are dead and at least one member of town is alive.

The

Mafia team of Porkens, Not Known 15 and MariaR

wins the game!

I'll be opening the PTs within 24 hours unless someone objects.

Here's Wisdom power mislynching me b/c I believe things that I believe.

[profii]

I somewhat find saudade's sheeping on fl's vote to be towny. fl is a confirmed town, and in the event that he votes a scum player, it would be hard for saudade to decline voting that person if he himself were scum.
I think ap could be fake claiming. It's strange how we have one town PR dead and two claimed. It's unlikely there are so many PRs in one game, as I remembered in the beginning of the game that people said our mod generally designed setups with few PRs. It's easier to claim disloyal rb and get away with it for scum. I'm currently scumreading him.
It would be hard to claim a multitasking JOAT and not be found out later in the game, so I believe performer's claim.
ofrhz is actively contributing and trying to find scum, which I like. However, I think him sheeping day1 wasn't exactly towny, which makes me wonder about his alignment.

I thought this post was where xx2008 moves from "I'm playing the noob card" into some definitive stances:

I disagree with the logic on Saudade, but he has decided Saudade is towny.
He has also decided AP is a fake claim and finds it scummy.
Whilst XX believes Perf, he doesn't specify an alignment. Although Perf got a couple of null results, I think a JOAT claim would be tough to fake long term anyway, arguably an easy slot to say that's towny.

So we have ofrhz is actively contributing and Nero is disputing that - mental note to see what I think here.


What I want to know is what does XX2008 think of Maxous ??

[Nero Cain]

So we have ofrhz is actively contributing and Nero is disputing that

I'm actually not. I'm saying she's more active in this game then she has been before. There's a big diddrence in what I'm saying and what you are saying I'm saying.

Though TBF, I'm slightly rethinking my Ofrhz scum read b/c I forgot she was a Flubber CW.

[profii]

sorry that wasn't clear, that's my fault

XX is town reading Ofrhz for actively contributing, nero is disputing that read and is scum reading - is more accurate.

looking back at the Ofrhz ISO - there is absolutely no hesitancy in ofrhz to go on flubber at any point at all. You could just lurk that one out but no... so I'm calling it town.

[Maxous]

I'll try to explain the Gamma Emerald read.

I'll just say that for someone so active there's not a whole lot of reads out of him.
A lot of it is general commentary and asking questions rather than coming to reads and conclusions.
So looking busy - but not actually producing much

This was okay in Day 1 while he was catching up but it's Day 2 and there's still not a whole lot out of him.

Not caught up but intend to get caught up when I can
I know I am townreading xx200Late, I distrust Sephiroth for being so buddy-buddy with Flubber, but beyond that I’m not too sure

VOTE: sephiroth

This seems to be his only scum-read.

I thought his exchange with Nos was very weak too as i was going over the thread. He backed down way too easily imo.

I'm not giving him much points for Flubber vote, because it was an unexplained vote and then he didn't actually push it

[Almost50]

OK, Nero probably town for that erratic behaviour. I've seen him do that more often than not. Of course, this also means REC is Town bc when Nero is in that mood he almost always tunnels Town.

[Nero Cain]

you aren't even in this game.

[Nero Cain]

I guess win town points with FL, who likely doesn't make it to tomorrow anyways

He's also gonna be protected so thanks for letting us know you guys have a strongman.

VOTE: RCEnigma

You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.

You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.

both jailkeeper and bodyguard are protectives and it's just a safe general assumption to assume that there is protection. But yeah, protection ablities have already been claimed anyways.

What are your feelings on this Max?

[AP]

OK, Nero probably town for that erratic behaviour. I've seen him do that more often than not. Of course, this also means REC is Town bc when Nero is in that mood he almost always tunnels Town.

No, he's not. Get out of here you clown *AP kicks A50 in the butt*

[Maxous]

I guess win town points with FL, who likely doesn't make it to tomorrow anyways

He's also gonna be protected so thanks for letting us know you guys have a strongman.

VOTE: RCEnigma

You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.

You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.

both jailkeeper and bodyguard are protectives and it's just a safe general assumption to assume that there is protection. But yeah, protection ablities have already been claimed anyways.

What are your feelings on this Max?

I don't think it's a particular scum-slip if that's what you're asking

[RCEnigma]

You would have to know we have a protective to make this statement.

both jailkeeper and bodyguard are protectives and it's just a safe general assumption to assume that there is protection. But yeah, protection ablities have already been claimed anyways.

Forgot about Performers jailkeep so fair enough. But he's already stated severe limitations on his ability use and that bad things happen upon using them all. So it's still not guaranteed.

[RCEnigma]

Profii what makes a joat claim hard to sustain as scum?

[RCEnigma]

Nos what is your scumread on Maxous based on?

[profii]

Profii what makes a joat claim hard to sustain as scum?

well i was just looking for what you meant by bad things can happen if he keeps using all his powers - ive missed that

so answering before knowing what that means...

if Perf can activate all his powers every night, he is surely going to say result was X and the person is going to be a vanilla town (or vice versa) and go "say what" sooner or later.

[RCEnigma]

@RCE I have limits to my role, and they're very severe limits

Also if anyone asks if I die after using all 6 of my abilities....I'm not going to answer that lol.

[RCEnigma]

I'd say those are bad things.

[profii]

oic i missed that

[RCEnigma]

From that I can assume he may not be able to use the same abilities on consecutive nights. Or maybe they have x shot modifiers and he can't use all abilities without dying. I don't know exactly either but they're all possibilities if I'm believing the claim. Which I do.

[profii]

idk my knee jerk reaction was "all 6 of my abilities" means you can only use 5, saving 1 to keep yourself alive and then pass on results or something like that... or use JK last if you were confident of something (not meaning to be critical)

[RCEnigma]

Can you jk yourself?

[profii]

i was thinking more like if you saved it til last and you knew there was 1 scum you might suicide yourself to stop a scum kill...

probably doesnt help to speculate on this

[RCEnigma]

Fair, it wasn't what I asked for initially.

[Nosferatu]

Nos what is your scumread on Maxous based on?

him not really doing anything