Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[Keyser Söze]

@TW

Moreover, for those interested in WIFOM-inspired reads: been re-thinking my theory about Irrellephant and Volxen.


Don’t think scum-Irrelephant t/reads SCUM-Volxen this hard with meta on D1, then driving Volxen’s name forward as lead candidate for heaven in D2. Scum-Irrelephant likely to t/read TOWN-Volxen just as much as town-Irrelephant, after a successful D1 misslynch/hammer of Creature.

Do you think they could be s-s?

[Keyser Söze]

so within reason, I think I can anticipate a trajectory of his scumplay/townplay development yeah. Sorry it might sound bizarre from the outside looking in but I feel really comfortable. Relly's defence makes me feel pretty comfortable too (I think he does this as either alignment but

it doesn't present as s/s

)

“Premature conclusion”?
Eh?

Which one is it?

You’re making me nervous about you-Ireelephant-Volxen now :/

You still want to flip Volxen?

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That’s why I said DrJ or LabRat. That’s more interesting in terms of associations, my mixed feelings on them throughout their game (currently both town).

A meta-town read on Volxen’s 20 or so posts tells us nothing. We’re just banking on Relly and you... where Ausuka is challenging that meta now.

[Keyser Söze]

Why did Eragon pick Volxen???

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and anyways, volxens 20 posts has a ton of words and stuff, like their 20 posts = 50 normal posts.

Please could you tell me why Volxen is town (EXCLUDING meta reasons).

[Keyser Söze]

Still don’t trust Irrelphant (and don’t like you both nearly had the exact reads yesterday) but still a player we can work with.

Not t/reading Eragon - if town they need to find scum outside of Ausuka/DR J/LabRat IMO

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser.....are you trying to steer us off your scumbuddy?

You’ve come a long way since calling us scum buddies on D1

What’s your latest town-feels with LabRat?

[Keyser Söze]

You said my interactions with Creature and TW were scummy on D1... what’s your current read on TW? Still strong town?


Just because I did not share your read on Creature and TW on D1 doesn’t mean I am scum.

I have play history with both Creature and TW (nearly almost miss-read them) - so why does my struggle to understand them equate to scumminess (I’m not going to approach those two specific slots the way you did, they’re never easy reads).

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I guess that dream also had her owning up to to being a mastina alt so... grain of salt

Is Mastina fond of slimy players?

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wait, wtf is going on

What was this reaction towards?

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Only problem with Labby in heaven is that they would send me to hell (martyr kill).

So I want to go through their s/read of me with them.

[Keyser Söze]

While Irrelephant is away, let's talk about him
Mean things only

[Keyser Söze]

who's like
just town here?

No one is Nauci-town this game.
Even a slot like me is in contention for heaven on D2!

[Keyser Söze]

You and Irrelphant

[Keyser Söze]

LabRat off it

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That is the hottest take you'll hear all game.

[Keyser Söze]

Not anymore.

I'd prefer Dr J over myself too.

[Keyser Söze]

Eragon's post has got me thinking... Scum would be more bothered about associations/looking suspicious/being scared of being scum read.

Perhaps my interpretation of LabRat is completely wrong.




Question: why doesn't Eragon have more town credit right now? They apparently shared a 10,000 word thesis on why Creature was town when they entered the thread...?) Eragon was also off-wagon..? Asking these questions to myself right now...

[Keyser Söze]

Dr J
Keyser
Volxen

Eragon
Ausuka

Irrelephant
TW
LabRat

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Keyser Söze

Please vote Dr J

[Keyser Söze]

Dr J
Keyser
Volxen

Eragon
Ausuka

Irrelephant
TW
LabRat

What I'm trying to determine is how many scum were on Creature's wagon. As I said before I definitely don't think there were zero scum on Creature's wagon, but I also think it's unlikely that all three scum were on his wagon. I'm torn between there being one or two scum on Creature's wagon, but I definitely feel like I really need to look at Eragon's slot. I was previously pretty skeptical of his Creature townread (I didn't understand how he came to his conclusions about Creature), but now that Creature has flipped town it's more plausible that Eragon simply picked up on town pings from Creature that most of us missed.

Keyser, are you saying here you suspect the scumteam is Irrelephant/TW/Labrat?

Yes, been sitting on this theory since D1, but TW's/Irrelphants/LabRats D2 posts just confirmed it in my head.

I'll explain it D3.

[Keyser Söze]

Yes, Dr J firm favourite.
Eragon after you, but yes, Eragon deserves to go to heaven (they should have just followed their reads D1 and not be misled by 'the mob').

[Keyser Söze]

What's been going on is alot of distancing/anti distancing attempts, chainlinking players with their scum teammates, scumslips, forced town reads, discrediting and false bravado.

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Yes, forced TMI town reads.

Plus, you town read them both... until now(?)

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Something is up if a player is being white knighted for saying "there is one scum in player a, b, c, d, e, f" in a 9 player game x

[Keyser Söze]

ew keyser what
what is the AtE on this and last page
do you *want* to get lynched
honestly right now the case labrat is making on keyser is all basically true about eragon except eragon has basically none of the towny moments keyser has, and I think there are worlds here where keyser is town
feels like eragon is only itt when asked, and hoping to just gather little enough attention to survive the day phase.
idk keyser is not my strongest scumread and if lab+creature are the wagon I think I'll probably pass for now
creature has done next to nothing all day, still fine with his lynch

DrJ where's your head at
Ausuka you should place a vote

I don’t think I should be the D1 lynch guys.

But if I’m your strongest scum read, then ok then. My playstyle doesn’t work on this site anymore.


Bye guys been fun last few games. See you in couple years

ugghhhh Keyser why

He is a mafia duck.

A self appointed leader.

His reign of terror is over.

[Keyser Söze]

Eragon, you responded and reacted correctly.

[Keyser Söze]

All Rats Don't Go To Heaven

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Naughty Naughty

Remember that deal

[Keyser Söze]

Today is about heaven.

I case your ticket to hell tomorrow.

[Keyser Söze]

@Keyser, The more I think about it, I think you may be right about TW/Irrelephant/Labrat being the scum team. If I am right about {Dr. J., Keyser, Eragon} being town, then that leaves {Ausuka, TW, Irrelephant, Labrat} by POE.

You feel pretty good about Asukua[Lefty] being town Keyser?

Ausuka reacted the best to my AtE/roleclaim reaction test

[Keyser Söze]

@TW

Would you vote Dr J to heaven or do you oppose?

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Look forward to LabRat and Irrelephant's next moves.

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Simply*

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Plus they neighbourized me N1 - I can confirm their 300k catchup post.

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MY EYES

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You just killed my mobile phone

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I dreamed we quicklynched Labby and she was town

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i think volxen is town outside of meta

Yes, I am seeing this today in the heaven phase.
I always prefer hearing a player talk about their reads in real time.

who are the wolves on wagon tho

LabRat off it

didn't you townread them???

Initially town read, ended in PoE, back to town read for short while and now a solid scum-read in my heart and head.

Dr J
Keyser
Volxen

Eragon
Ausuka

Irrelephant
TW
LabRat

is this order to heaven or townreads?
if townreads, uhhh
why is doc J higher than you?

A combination of preferred order entry into heaven and tiered reads list. In reality, I'd prefer to see all my t/reads/leans into heaven before stepping foot in there myself.

I'll explain it D3.

can you at least give a short summary?

What's been going on is alot of distancing/anti distancing attempts, chainlinking players with their scum teammates, scumslips, forced town reads, discrediting and false bravado.

Yes, forced TMI town reads.

Plus, you town read them both... until now(?)

whose reads were forced and/or TMI?

I believe Irrelephant's and TW's.

[Keyser Söze]

LabRat and TW probably...
I’ll case them individually in tomorrow’s hellphase.

[Keyser Söze]

I don’t like this late counter wagon to Volxen. We send Dr J unless someone strongly opposes / scum reads Dr J. Then, I’m all ears.



Volxen, would you prefer, (like me) to stay ‘in the game’ instead of in heaven? I want to send you to heaven in the 2nd heaven phase (if my reads are right).

[Keyser Söze]

rel is the only one of those 3 i see as scum atm

Late distancing attempt eh?

[Keyser Söze]

LabRat and TW probably...
I’ll case them individually in tomorrow’s hellphase.

Due to content.

I wish Irrelphant had double the posts for us to chew on.

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Think I know why TW wants Volxen in heaven.

Guess who Dr J town read...?:

I'm absolutely happy with Keyser. I'm townreading him at the moment and more so than tw or lab. Volxen... I'm not sending someone to heaven based on meta. I'd rather send a townread to heaven

VOTE: Keyser


As for the rest, by POE scum must be among them though I am not discounting my possible townreads, tw and labrat, I'm a bit shaken in those by scummy things I've seen

TW and Lab.

[Keyser Söze]

Game could be in Dr J’s hand here

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I think he probably wants to prevent a quickhammer and reverting to his other candidate.

I think he wants to lynch me or Eragon tomorrow.

Or bus Irrellephant if forced to.

[Keyser Söze]

...and as scum knew you were 100% town after you’d only made 4 posts, I’m happy with both of you too

[Keyser Söze]

can someone else please tell me they see how ridiculous this page is?

Tell me who is scum.

Stop discrediting / destroying good read development

Eragon and I should have appealed to human rights about your shutting down of good reads on D1.



Im the captain now.

[Keyser Söze]

@Dr J - you are more likely to take sides with TW/LabRat to lynch Eragon I beleive tomorrow.

I don’t think you share the same scum reads as me

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keyser's literally just spewing out whatever he can think of that makes other slots look bad

it's very transparently not town motivated so i implore you all to stop reading effort as alignment but yeah i did appreciate your "huh?" response to his most irrelevant shade throw

This is what you’ve been doing all game.

I will expose you tomorrow.

You want to protect your scum partners and misslynch town.

[Keyser Söze]

{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}
{Eragon}
{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

@Dr J - you are more likely to take sides with TW/LabRat to lynch Eragon I beleive tomorrow.

I don’t think you share the same scum reads as me

I do not

That’s ok then.

[Keyser Söze]

{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}
{Eragon}
{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

I knew you and Relly would bus today once exposed

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keyser: hey let's send people to heaven based on which wolfy slots they want to lynch tomorrow rather than their town equity

everyone: hey yeah that's a great plan!!! let's fuck up our chances of lynching scum AND send less-likely-town to heaven!!!

You haven’t been paying attention.

Dr J is the towniest player.

Volxen has only reached top town status today in my eyes.

Even Volxen should admit to this too. No way was he a town clear on S1.

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{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}
{Eragon}
{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

I knew you and Relly would bus today once exposed

the fact you're sticking to this ridiculous narrative is just screaming that you have no interest in reading my slot
you've found your narrative and you think it's gonna win this game for you, so you're sticking to ti

I keep asking you.

Who is scum.

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Your discrediting, colourful language and fluff has no power over anyone now.

They are awake.

We speak in tangibles now.

Why aren’t you voting Dr J?

Who is scum?

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser I felt was town, but that could change. I'd look at akusa, volx, and eragon. I'm not seeing why those latter two are being widely read as town. These resds are mostly poe. Akusa is just there because I don't actively townread him, he'd be the last I'd lynch. If the three scum aren't in that pool of 4 players, then tw is probably going to be scum. But I doubt it.


Keyser vs tw tomorrow will be a fun read

We can sort Ausuka and Eragon today if you want too while you are here.

[Keyser Söze]

keyser
soze
sweaty

i am voting for volxen because
1) they are my strongest townread
2) we have several days til phase end and i want your wolf ass to suffer
3) i think dr. j is more likely to lynch scum tomorrow
4) you are pushing dr. j's heaven hammer very hard and i don't think you're town
5) i enjoy changing my mind, pushing buttons and seeing how people react : ]

as for scum, look at that tiered read list you quoted several times while asking me who's scum

If you “scum read” Irellphant now I will case Irellephant tomorrow first then.

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You tell Dr J why Eragon is scum, and i’ll tell Dr J why I think Eragon is town.

Deal?

We have 3 days.


Eragon can even chip in too.

Love triangle.

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If Irrelephant presented a scum case on TW today that’d be perfect too.

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Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

ye a few things

i'd rather heaven you than Dr. J

we have valuable sorting time, and i'd say one of me or keyser should be hell'd tomorrow

No, it won’t be a 1 vs 1.

We are lynching one of the 3 most scummiest mofos in the game.

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Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

You got that right - sorry: I'd rather not send someone I don't tr to heaven and potentially waste a lynch

All the same, imo we should wait a bit. Sorting time +1

@tw and keyser assuming I'm martyred, who should I vote for according to you on a judgement day?

If we get to a judgement day I would have replaced out by then, but good luck!

[Keyser Söze]

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

ye a few things

i'd rather heaven you than Dr. J

we have valuable sorting time, and i'd say one of me or keyser should be hell'd tomorrow

No, it won’t be a 1 vs 1.

We are lynching one of the 3 most scummiest mofos in the game.

"the worst is a wolf, the worst is a wolf! oh...nah, it's not a 1v1 let's lynch someone else"

:THNIGKUING:

I have 3 scum reads who I will focus on.

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Can you see the picture yet Eragon?

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im feeling a tiny bit less sure on volxen now.

im 100% confident that TW either is reading a scumbuddy as strong town and WK'ing
TMI'ing Volxen town
or is making hasty reads that shouldn't be trusted as much

2/3 of these still mean that i feel volxen is town
but 1/3 of these mean that volxen could be a scumbuddy

Scum!TW TMI’ing Town!Volxen.

Volxen is also probable town outside these associations with Scum!TW.



I too, scum read LabRat.

FTR: Scum!LabRat was using me as a springboard to attack players for attacking me. The buddying attempt did admittedly work, but now I see the scum motivation.

Scum!TW and Scum!LabRat’s associations / reads/ trajectory’s on eachother are highly suspicious and probable partners.

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WHO WANTS GUACAMOLE?

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Eragon, I need to town-case you.

Are there any posts in your ISO that you think I should pay extra attention to?


Yours sincerely, Capitan Keyser

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WHO WANTS GUACAMOLE?

Is that our reward if we correctly gamesolve and win the game?

Immortality in Heaven awaits the victors in this game.


TAKE IT! IT’S YOURS!

[Keyser Söze]

@Keyser, I think we should Eragon to Heaven on day 4, if you are OK with that. I think you and I should stick around to endgame.

That's what I'm feeling too.

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So after my first five posts, they both basically come to the exact same conclusion that I am obvious town in this game. And both of their respective townreads of me have to do with the fact that since I had no nuance with my fake reads as scum in Watcher Wanted, that that in and of itself proves that I am town in this game, since my reads are more nuanced in this game. But I was the first person lynched in Watcher Wanted, over two months ago in early September. As Ausuka pointed out, why would they believe that if I were scum in this game, that my play would be exactly the same as it was in Watcher Wanted? I'ts been over two months since that game ended for me, and I have played numerous games in that time. And beyond that, I've played with town!Irrelephant very recently (In Newbie 1894), and town!TW less recently (in Newbie 1888). In both of those games, neither of them pegged me as obvious town right off of the bat. In newbie 1888, TW hard scumread me on day 1 and pushed for my lynch, and only came around to townreading me on day 2. And in Newbie 1894, Irrelephant was skeptical of my slot all the way until lylo, when my lack of quickhammering proved that I was town. And I don't think I am more super obvious town in this game compared to either of those other games, so something doesn't add up here because the town!TW and town!Irrelephant that I know don't give out such strong townreads so easily and so early on in the game.

Keyser's skepticism towards my slot, which eventually lead to a townread but only after several real-time interactions between us, feels very natural and towny.

Indeed Volxen - now what self-respecting townie would award such a strong town read without any town-paranoid/meditation/reflection/hesitance?
Certainly town-Irrelephant and town-TW would have!
I'm glad even you have admitted that having a strong town read of your posts

this

game has demanded a bit more

work

. The world is bad place if people just accept the town reads on their slots without any due diligence.

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Do you remember Keyser writing anything about creature being town other than his early-game meta defense (which got discarded later on because of TW’s meta-case)?
No?
Neither do I tbh

If he really was TRing creature, why didn’t he try to do anything about it before creat got lynched?
Even if his read wasn’t strong, not saying anything feels like a shitty way to save his own ass

You expected me to present a stronger defence on Creature? What a weird perspective.

I believe the strength of my defence of Creature was reflective on the strength of my town read of Creature (neither very strong nor weak):
- pointed to previous town meta of Creature
- point to the fact Creature doesn't post anything outright townie as town to Creature
- presented a collection of town meta tells for Creature
- bullied onto Creature wagon after TW's case
- me recommending to Creature to only serious post now as I could see him becoming the #1 lynch candidate in his current playstyle
- I didn't like his wagon development/formation
- I liked Eragon's town case on Creature (but guess who bullied Eragon off it...)
- share a possible perspective of if Creature is scum, but I confirm my resolve: Creature is town.
- I felt like his brother, in the same boat as Creature on D1: miss-read, playstyle misunderstood, and everyone fixed on us two being scum.
- I don't understand the theory that Creature was scum trying to pocket me.
- Still expressing that I like Creature (but wouldn't be shocked if they flipped either alignment).
- was tempted to join Creature in our very own town-block
- Creature was being butchered in the thread and his wagon was fast growing so I thought he needed to get back to thread to defend himself ASAP.
- still hated how me and Creature were the two likely lynches for D1

VOTE: Ausuka

PoE is a good place to vote right now.

And as I said before, I got really bad vibes from the way Keyser changed his votes later on. He ignored all scum-cases made against creature and everything else AI, which happened during the day just for the sake of “lynching for PoE”.

That makes absolutely no sense from town PoV.

I change my vote ALOT, for info, to push the players I'm not town reading and for reaction tests. It's not even alignment indicative.
I did not "ignore" all the scum cases on Creature. I got my eyes tore out and balls ripped off and I sheeped TW's case. However, I felt shit and duly unvoted. All the other cases/narrow focus on Creature/me was bullshit/very wrong. Only I and Creature could see this though. Voting through PoE on D1 (with 3 scum versus 6 town) is recommended anyway IMO. If you don't have strong scum reads, subtract the players you have reason not to lynch (I had you, Ausuka and Eragon in my PoE list). Plus, what's to say Ausuka and Eragon weren't scum and my reads were 100% on D1. There was nothing wrong with my late vote on Ausuka and Eragon - both players have only become town reads today.

VOTE: Eragon

There’s gotta be scum in the Watchmen

Imagine if it’s The Watchman Wanted vs Mafia

The next posts, with the vote explained by a joke

His attitude there felt awful to me. It felt as if he didn’t actually care what happens to the wagon on creature or to his new pushes, and was just shitting around, waiting for stuff to happen
This attitude never comes from town imo

Town!he should at least care about what people say about Asuka/eragon/creature. Like, care to progress the game or sth
His votes and the lack of any kind explanation or serious attitude made me feel that he wasn't sincere about trying to distract the lynch from creature and didn't honestly want that to happen

Yes, I was de-motivated and low on WIM. There wasn't much to show about 'how-Ausuka-was-scum' or 'Eragon-was-scum'- as they were PoE. I was being universally scum read. Creature was about to die. Me using humour to try bring some light and joy to my experience this game is not scummy.

The votes felt like they were made for the purpose of
a) looking more townie after creature’s lynch
or
b) just for the sake of being off the wagon so that the wagon is smaller and people feel free to place their votes there so that if anything shitty happens later, he’s still able to re-vote and save his own ass

OR W/E, I don’t really care about the reason tbh,

that was a vote that NEVER comes from town imo

That just makes no damn sense

"looking more townie after creature’s lynch" - untrue. Not even Eragon who presented the base town case for town!Creature isn't getting the towncred they deserve today.

HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE:

Why couldn't I just be a townie who simply didn't believe Creature was scum and wanted to vote in my D1 PoE? I knew something was up this game, and now I know why... scum were in charge D1 - but a few players have woke up now. You keep presenting this weird tangent universe where I was very sure of my town reads and very sure of my scum reads on D1, which you think I should have pushed hard with. That was obviously not the case. You are miss-repping the intensity of my town and scum reads.

Thus, I find your disbelief and shock to be fake

,

and I believe it is strongly scum-indicative

.

[Keyser Söze]

ew keyser what
what is the AtE on this and last page
do you *want* to get lynched
honestly right now the case labrat is making on keyser is all basically true about eragon except eragon has basically none of the towny moments keyser has, and I think there are worlds here where keyser is town
feels like eragon is only itt when asked, and hoping to just gather little enough attention to survive the day phase.
idk keyser is not my strongest scumread and if lab+creature are the wagon I think I'll probably pass for now
creature has done next to nothing all day, still fine with his lynch

DrJ where's your head at
Ausuka you should place a vote

Eww
IF you think my case on keyser makes sense, then why not answer it instead of placing it on another player? Why not talk about keyser with me? I mean, you did say that my read does make sense, but for another player, right?
C’mon, you’re not the type to avoid conversation like this.
I really doubt that I’m wrong about keyser rn, but unless I am, I’d like you to get lynched next.

And nice shade there You weren’t even SRing me, so how is me being on the wagon influencing your choice of not wanting to vote keyser?
Do you disagree with my read on keyser?
No?
if so, then wtf was that about

Don’t say that creature being on the wagon JUST TO SAVE HIS OWN ASS AND BECAUSE I ASKED HIM TO DO IT, influenced your read on keyser in any way
Do you think he wouldn’t bus there?
Why?
Like, c’mon, I remembered you as more thoughtful than that. That argument makes no sense and rn it kind of feels like you just wanted to have as many arguments as possible NOT to lynch your scummate. Like, c'mon it's just bad

This late bus attempt on Irrelephant is hilarious

The tone is terrible.

the sincerity...? shocking.

[Keyser Söze]

[C’mon man, you haven’t even written the actual case yet, yet you already sound like you were forcing yourself to create a scum motivation for me and TW to fit in instead of actually analyzing the posts.

I haven't had to... the associations between my scum reads have worsened without me even raising a finger

Scum-cases can wait (there are no night phases).

Today is about getting Dr J to heaven (and sharing my townread of Volxen/Eragon/Ausuka with them).

[Keyser Söze]

No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.

No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.

No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.

No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.

No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.

VOTE: volxen

VOTE: volxen
Sick as a dog now, I'll be aroundish but kind of feverish and trying to sleep.

VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum

[Keyser Söze]

Town case on Eragon and Ausuka to follow.

[Keyser Söze]

I've played with scum-Eragon before, and in that game it was evident he knew who were town, who were scum, and built strong reads and certain associations off of it (

even trying to connect me to his scum partner, to misslynch me. In that game, I incorrectly read his behaviour as town-play via WIFOM.

)

However, in this game, he doesn't show that same unnerving/suspicious conviction. He simply doesn't know who is who, and who to trust. Even with his D1 reads and town case on Creature he was proud of he was convinced/bullied to ignore it and

wander alone in a wilderness of frustration and confusion

instead, leading into today.





It is

Eragon's very search for truth

this game why I am kinda banking on him being town here, here is why:

[Keyser Söze]

WhAt DoEs BlUe MeAn?

Doesn't look like green does it...?

[Keyser Söze]

As a side note this is probably one of my last games on MS that i’ll Join, but I will take PbR(play by request) so is there an MS discord that I could join?

repeating

don't make me post sad cat pictures

Ask in the chat lobby or mafia discussion thread x

[Keyser Söze]

WhAt DoEs BlUe MeAn?

Doesn't look like green does it...?

yes...


exactly...

thats why im asking

‘But yeah, let’s send him to heaven’




I sense a disturbance in the Force.

[Keyser Söze]

THAT TRAGI-COMEDIC MOMENT WHEN YOUR FAKE READS CONTRADICT THE SCUM AGENDA

[Keyser Söze]

Chapter 1: the read that best reveals town!Eragon

We have to back to the beginning.

i do have a gut TR on you through skim, but its nothing strong and i know i shouldn't rush a read on any of you lmao, and i dont have time to dive rn

Here we see Eragon express a gentle tentative take on players he knows. No chainsaw, no extreme read and no dramatic buddy attempt. Eragon is here to scumhunt and not scumgambit.

Then we have Eragon's town-case on Creature. It demonstrates all the tells of a townie naturally coming to a read:
- the look for tonal / naturalness over content (I always believe scum just can't help but reach for the low hanging fruit, and bite on the playstyle that just doesn't fit in to town site-meta. I have been a victim of this a lot on mafiascum.)
- expresses just enough town paranoia on Creature bestowing a town read on their slot's single RVS post, and demonstrates towny affection: to be fond of irrational posts).
- Eragon is self reflective on the strength of their own read and observation
- identifies with Creature's position of being natural and not forcing out reads (see Eragon is looking past Creature's unconventional behaviour and seeing town motivation. THAT is the balance and discernment you need to judge a player like Creature who will never power-town.)
- Eragon consistently keeps measuring up town motivation vs scum motivation
- Eragon correctly identifies Creature's fluff as NAI.
- Eragon realises Creature is being consistent.
- Eragon exercising inner turmoil: Eragon can understand Creature's frustration but not his conclusion, here is Eragon reaching out hoping to understand Creature's perspective. Thus, Eragon accepts even though Creature's actions cannot be explained from their perspective ('the bad stuff' at the time), this does not overpower the genuine town pings he has felt ('the good stuff', as explanations can always be added later). Eragon had every chance to jump ship here, but this natural read feels real.
- Eragon didn't give into the propaganda saying Creature was lurking. Eragon correctly identified he was actually one of the highest posters.
- Eragon isn't nose-diving into a strong town read or a strong scum read, they are exploring each side of the coin.

This is Eragon making a step-by-step solve of Creature's alignment. It doesn't feel like he's started with a read first and worked backwards. This natural flow of the ISO dive doesn't feel agenda-driven: Creature HAS NOT presented a

'Creature is town, and those scum reading him are scum'

case. Eragon has looked underneath the rocks, beneath the sea, through the vines and long grass. Eragon has scrutinised both sides of Creature to come to his read. Eragon's whole approach on Creature

drips with town

.

[

We will return to how Eragon's town case on Creature was discredited on D1 tomorrow

].

'Chapter 2: Eragon is genuinely weirded out by me', follows....

[Keyser Söze]

TLDR: unvote Volxen and present your read on Dr J.

[Keyser Söze]

its like scum doesn't want me in heaven
but then I see my 2 major trs don't want me in heaven

Search your feelings.

You know why that is.




I can only show you the door,
you’re the one who has to walk through it.

[Keyser Söze]

Thanks

[Keyser Söze]

Someone would need to prove to me scum in (Ausuka, Eragon, Dr J, Volxen).

[Keyser Söze]

I do want to take 1 lynch at a time... one case at a time...

[Keyser Söze]

Me and Eragon aren’t going to hell.

[Keyser Söze]

and now that I think of it, I am still waiting for that v

I find the way Keyser pushed TW during the game to be really off. He was perfectly able to TR me based on my emotional postings and he’s absolutely refusing to notice the same thing in TW’s posts, even though there’s way more of it and it’s way more obvious.

I've seen scum-TW express a full array of emotions, so I couldn't hold up your emotional parameters against him and judge you by the same measuring stick.

Could you link me to a scum game like that? And could you comment on the emotional tells I’m TRing TW for? I could quote them for you if you want to

Thx

My scum meta read on TW comes tomorrow (Chapter 2 of why he is scum).

[Keyser Söze]

Can we please call bullshit on all these TW top town reads...


Why don't Irrelephant and LabRat want to send TW to heaven today?

I don't believe those reads lists one bit. They're just tactically tiered. All bull shit.


I want both my top 2 town reads in heaven today.
I simply don't buy the sincerity of the read.

You do not vote your nullish/blue read to heaven. We send our fucking town reads.

Why is no one else calling out this bullshit?

[Keyser Söze]

Dr J

Keyser

Volxen

Eragon
Ausuka

Irrelephant

TW

LabRat

fixed

WhAt DoEs BlUe MeAn?

Doesn't look like green does it...?

‘But yeah, let’s send him to heaven’




I sense a disturbance in the Force.

THAT TRAGI-COMEDIC MOMENT WHEN YOUR FAKE READS CONTRADICT THE SCUM AGENDA

VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum

How about
You check the post you’re talking about
Before thinking up the scum motivation behind it.

You already SR the post before when you placed it along Ts and irre’s votes. Seriously, IF I’m one of your biggest SRs and if you thought the vote was scummy, why haven’t you bothered to even try to understand the reasoning to maybe check if I really haven't written anything scummy in there
Getting SRd for that rn feels like crap

So you should.
You've demonstrated your reads don't mean anything.

A townie should withhold giving unsupported reads (instead of forcing out reads, stay true to your suspicions). Wait till they're formed and then share. Your actions contradict your reads (

scum indicative behaviour again

).



Please humour me. Why shouldn't we send TW to heaven today?
He's town right? You and Irrelephant should be trying to make us vote for him and not Volxen you don't even trust Volxen in an end game situation. Why would you vote him over your top town reads?

[Keyser Söze]

No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.

No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.

No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.

No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.

No please vote Dr. J, I want to stay to endgame.

VOTE: volxen

VOTE: volxen
Sick as a dog now, I'll be aroundish but kind of feverish and trying to sleep.

VOTE: volx

voting DrJ would be a total waste of reads imo. I really do like volx's latest content and there's no reason to get rid of lock-townies (DrJ) during the first heaven phase imo.
Satisfied with this lynch for today, prob not gonna switch unless someone manages to make me seriously paranoid that volx is scum

this is just pure shade
I was the only one who voted after Volx said he doesn’t want to go to heaven and even if I didn’t, you’re strongly TRing Volx, so how does that even matter?

It’s NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW I AM READING Volxen.

It’s how you/TW/Irrelehant are reading Volxen and voting him.



If I was in Volxen’s shoes right now I would be tearing into you lot even harder than I am.


I DO NOT UNDERSTAND how you three are using the heaven phase.

It is surely not town motivated.

It’s fueled by scum agenda.



You present your two strongest town reads and say why you want them in heaven.
It’s simple.


Right now it’s a painful tug of war to get clarity and sense out of your reads, votes and actions.

[Keyser Söze]

To support what you just said, tw himself said one reason he's voting volxen is because he thinks I'll lynch correctly later over volxen. :Thinking:

I'm more and more inclined to think I'm wrong on tw and labrat. Particularly labrat.

Sounds super towny doesn’t it

[Keyser Söze]

WHAT I EXPECT:

Townie scum reads a player. Townie shares why he is scum.

Townie town reads a player. Townie defends player, sharing why he is town.

Townie votes the player(s) they are town reading the most to heaven, and shares why.

WHAT I AM SEEING:

Now I’m gonna scum read that bullshit all day long.

[Keyser Söze]

If I put my scum read to a side.

Why aren’t we sending TW to heaven today?

[Keyser Söze]

I don’t understand all these town reads on you, but no votes on you.

No ‘TW FOR HEAVEN’ campaign. Plus, if I think as neatral looking in, everyone seems to think I flip scum if you flip town... people don’t see us as town-town.


I would be paranoid personally if I were in your shoes.

[Keyser Söze]

im akshully very confident in an Irrel!scum here.

on top of not liking their posts this game, from what i have seen...

they do not have the same form of transparant towni-ness that they were fond of in WW.
Like, did anyone ever even scumread them in WW?
they were extremly obvious through thoughts, reads, wagons, etc... and even from a scum perspective i knew that was always going to be town

this game i have seen almost absolutely none of that, im not sure if its b/c different perspectives or what, but i do not see any similarities, and dislike their posts not-meta based either

Yes, I’m confident too.

I think his readslist was the nail in the coffin for him.

It’s perhaps worth an additional chapter in my scum case on him.

[Keyser Söze]

but considering most of the game thinks there's a wolf in us and we're devoted to sorting each other TO THE DEATH in hell 2 do you think people should be pushing a "TW for heaven" campaign?

and ye I'm very paranoid about pocketing rn, I just can't think that many layers down right now

I’ll be pushing my strongest scum reads tomorrow.

I don’t want the focus to be mainly me versus you.

Then we’ll see who people vote for.

[Keyser Söze]

My comments are in

town blue

. Actually, in

town green

.

First off, you’re bending the facts to fit your story. (

I'm was trying to show my D1 read trajectory on Creature for your benefit. The events are from my perspective. If you think I'm a liar, you think I'm a liar.

)

You said a few times during the game that you “discarded” your meta read on Creature because of TW’s arguments about his scum meta
and right now we were talking about your read on Creature

at the end of hell 1

. So you talking about something you didn’t believe in anymore, may look good on you, but is worthless imo.
(

I adopted hyberbole for effect: TW called my meta defence a joke, so I 'tore' it up in petulance and voted Creature out of spite. But I knew it was wrong to do so, and the vote didn't feel right. Creature was more likely town. That's actually how I felt. Later on, I was in no position or frame of mind to present a strong and passionate defence on Creature. His vote on me actually pissed me off too, we were brothers. But he was weak. Don't blame him though, this playerlist took his soul.

)

And I find it off how you said you presented arguments for “Creat being townie”, when the point of your meta read on him was:
which kinda felt like you were saying that he’s “unreadable”, rather than “townie”.
tbh if that was a TR, it makes the read feel more TMI, but w/e…
(

I believed the very reasons why Creature was being scum read were the very reasons why he should be town read. I have a soft spot for players like that, as I see myself in them. Yes, I wouldn't be shocked if Creature had flipped scum or town, but in no way was he a null read or unreadable. It is very hard to explain.

)

I did miss a lot of the later posts, though, so sorry for that. They kind of got lost among all of the other, stronger pushes. :/
The way I remembered the game, except for me, no one seriously tried switching wagons from Creat to anyone else. I kind of expected you to be active about protecting someone you think might be town, especially since I didn’t even remember you saying anything about creat being townie after you discarded your meta read on them, but I guess you do have a point here. Sorry for that
(

Again, I don't know why you are hating on me for not defending Creature enough. Believe you me, if my read was strong my actions would have reflected that intensity (like today). I do not understand how you cannot see this. I do not understand your angle about me being his personal bodyguard either. The playerlist is 9 players. He can defend himself. I needed to defend myself too. I have fought a non-stop fight this game.

)

That’s exactly what I thought was very likely to come from scum. I haven’t played with you before, but I have no doubt that you have way enough experience to know how to make pushes on the players you want to lynch.
It’s obvious that no one will follow you if you just say to “lynch someone for PoE” without any additional information. You doing that instead of pushing a real read, commenting on the situation, or w/e else, made me feel like you didn’t actually care whatever if your push got through or not. And the jokes in the next posts only worsened my feelings towards that.
(

That was just me being light hearted with players from Watchers Wanted. There is no scum motivation there. I scum hunted D1, I defended my town reads where I could, I posted some fluff and memes. My ISO was busy with pushing my reads, but I honestly felt something was up with this wagon dynamics. And I was powerless and mute. At least D2, I think I have communicated better. I think you saying I 'don't actually care' about this game/my push/my read is disingenuous. My WIM may have wavered this game, but I have shown commitment and passion.

)

I’m not going to use that as an argument, but actually, the fact that you said “he should be getting TRs from TRing creat” already makes it a valid scum motivation.
But that’s more of a fun fact than anything
(

Thinking further on this today, when I looked at Eragon's D1 ISO - in my opinion, the nature of Eragon's town read of Creature and subsequent actions in D1 demonstrate he was not interested in town cred / winning town points

)

That’s wrong. I did assume your read on creat was rather weak when analyzing the push.
I did think that being passive, when someone you have a TR on is getting lynched, was scummy, but tbf you were the biggest counterwagon , so I didn’t really put it on par with my other arguments.
Trying to save yourself is more of a scum than town action, but tbh town may to do that as well when stressed, so w/e.

Yes, town want to survive just as much as scum. Different win-con but the words mean the same. I get very defensive and survivalistic.

What I SR the most was the lack of effort and the passive attitude towards the push while trying to CFD 1-2 hour before EoD. It felt weird to me that you’d bother trying to change the lynch when you didn’t bother to defend creat against his attackers or explain why is your push a better lynch.
If you didn’t have strong enough reads to either defend creature or push your wagon and there were a lot other players who had much better reads than you, trying to change the wagon, was sth that felt so incredibly detrimental and REALLY unlikely for a townie to do.

Did you notice I'd fucked off by then? I had no power, no voice, I was the rival wagon... my motivation and self-will was at an all-time low. D1 was either me or Creature: I had no strong scum reads to push. I bet you one thing: If I'd magically appeared right near the end to hard town defend Creature, the Keyser-Creature scum team theories would have only got worse So I left D1 with an AtE reaction test. "incredibly detrimental and REALLY unlikely for a townie to do." - at worst you can call me anti-town, and I'll accept that opinion - but you pushing it as scum alignment indicative is very reachy/suspicious.

[Keyser Söze]

Can. You. Comment. On. The. Stuff. I. Wrote. About. Keyser. A. Few. Posts. Ago?
I don't see how he can flip town here, if you think my read on him is wrong, talk to me about it please.

I've dismantled every reason you're holding to scum read me.

Are there any other reasons why you think I am scum?

[Keyser Söze]

A lot of keyser’s next posts feel like he’s honestly trying to change the townies’ opinions on him, so that he doesn’t get lynched in the next hell phase.

[Keyser Söze]

You tell Dr J why Eragon is scum, and i’ll tell Dr J why I think Eragon is town.

Deal?

We have 3 days.


Eragon can even chip in too.

Love triangle.

you go first, i literally have nowhere near enough energy to case Era rn

(We have around 3 days left (?)... if you’re not talking about Dr J/Volxen...)

Have you started this scum case on Eragon yet?

I would prefer to know if one of my town reads has evil intent or not.

Irrelphant limped into the thread and attempted a case on Eragon but I was simply not convinced.

Your turn x

[Keyser Söze]

we should send volxen to heaven, in spite of himself

I simply do not believe this is rational town!Irrelephant:-

You want us to send Volxen to heaven... who:

1) You think is possible scum via Ausuka's theory:

bring volxen back toward possible-scum

2) Who you're town reading less than the worst

3) a read who is on the same level as ausuka and DrJ


P.EDIT:

VOTE: labrat

And now you want to send LabRat to heaven, who was a null read a few pages ago?


Please share with us why LabRat is town.

[Keyser Söze]

Can we please call bullshit on all these TW top town reads...


Why don't Irrelephant and LabRat want to send TW to heaven today?

I don't believe those reads lists one bit. They're just tactically tiered. All bull shit.


I want both my top 2 town reads in heaven today.
I simply don't buy the sincerity of the read.

You do not vote your nullish/blue read to heaven. We send our fucking town reads.

Why is no one else calling out this bullshit?

This is ridiculous, IF you thought that sending unsure town to heaven is such an obviously scummy, anti-town action, then WHY didn’t you say anything when people were discussing that earlier?

I have been talking about it constantly.


I don't think Volxen is "unsure" town. He is a top tier town read for me.
It is you/Irrellephant/TW's read of Volxen that is

not compatible of how/when/why I would expect a townie to vote someone to heaven

.

If you town read someone highly you present to us why they are town and why they should be sent to heaven.

That is not what I have seen from you/TW/Irrellephant in regard your reads for eachtother and Volxen. Your reads and votes have frankly been very suspect.

Irrelephant's recent vote for you is the icing on the cake.

None of your votes co-relate to your reads.


Mine do.
Eragon's do.
Ausuka's do.
Volxen's do.
Dr J's do.

[Keyser Söze]

My comments in

green

:

You even answered the read and I scum-read you for it later, so don’t tell me you just forgot about that now

Why didn’t you even mention anything about it being scummy back then if you’re so confident in it being “bulshit” rn? (

I've been highlighting your suspicious behaviour for a while now, but the recent stunts from you lot need to be called out for the bullshit they are.

)
And how is me wanting to lynch for PoE to heaven more scummy than you wanting to PoE a shitter to hell?
(

Are you seriously comparing my D1 reads to your D2 reads? Are you seriously overlooking the seriousness of sending scum to heaven TODAY? Today is differnet to yesterday. And tomorrow will be even more serious.

)
Don’t push me for something you didn’t even bother to analyze. You’re treating me as if I were confirmed scum and as if you “don’t even need to think if the stuff doing is scummy” which is just wrong
(

Please show me one sign of town motivation and I will listen.

)
-----------------------------------

YES, I do think that lynching “uncertain town” to heaven is a good idea
(

That is tactically naïve and backwards. I would never send my weak town/nullish reads to heaven. This is my first time playing this setup but I feel we need to play one day at a time. Send town to heaven and scum to hell - I don't think we have extra days to play around with.

)

If you just get rid of all of your strongest TRs, you’ll end up being completely screwed and surrounded by nulls late-game. That’s how it works in normal games, but it makes no god damn sense to aim for that in here, that'll just kill the discussion and harm you in the future
(

Who are these nulls you are talking about? We have enough discussion and players to form reads and make supported decisions.

)

If there’s scum in the strong-ish TRs, they will most likely screw up your reads and whatever interaction analysis you want to make during the game
(

So why not take one day at a time like I suggest? Send our town read to heaven - if he flips town good. If he flips scum, we'll need to reset and talk.

)

and if they’re town, they’ll just make you paranoid if they’re left alive till late-game
(

Scum can't night kill so this is not a point to argue. More bullshit reasoning I do not understand.

)

so while it’s risky, it should be often more beneficial than harmful

The whole point of lynching during the heaven phase is to get rid of town in a way that would help you sort people later. Being afraid of sending scum to haven is good, but it will only harm your reads in the long run.
IF you screw up and place scum among your heaven-lynch-TRs, you’ll have to play it safe and lynch solely based on the confident TRs later, but tbh IF you have scum among the super confident reads and the less confident ones at the same time, it would mean that the town is p much screwed anyways, regardless of how you play.
(

I simply disagree. We are in no situation where we can send are weak reads to heaven. Look at the current game - I feel you are either blinded or just persisting with this bullshit propaganda.

)

I do want to lynch volxen to heaven now. He’s someone I think is more likely to flip town than scum, but I’m not confident enough in the read to want him the be here in late-game.
Besides, there were a lot of people who TR him and some who TRd him very strongly since day-start, which was honestly kind of weirding me out. With support like that, if he’s scum, it’s really unlikely that he’ll ever get lynched to hell imo, which might heavily screw with the interaction reads, especially of those players who are TRing him so strongly.
And I really doubt that if he’s scum, the only ones who are TRing him so strongly are the mafia
(

I do not understand your reasoning. Plus, I feel it is driven more by scum agenda then town-motivation.

)

That’s not as perfect as I would like, but it’s still a lot more helpful than just getting rid of someone I’m absolutely confident that will flip town imo.

[Keyser Söze]

A lot of keyser’s next posts feel like he’s honestly trying to change the townies’ opinions on him, so that he doesn’t get lynched in the next hell phase.

and btw, that was not a read, but an analysis for the sake of making another argument
Idk what were you trying to say in here, but that doesn’t really change anything

What if I told you:

YES, I am trying to change townies’ opinions on me

YES, I am trying to make sure I’m not lynched in the next hell phase.


Now, what if I also told you:

I did both these things as town.

Is that possible in your world view?



[You see, from my perspective, I need to balance on play whether you are posting from a confirm-bias disposition (townie) or whether you are posting to support a scum agenda. And right now, based on the nature of your read on me, your heaven phase behaviour, and your bad associations with my other scum reads, these point to the latter].

[Keyser Söze]

I find it insane that anyone is listening to your idea that "the scumteam is everyone voting volxen for Heaven"

Miss-rep of my frustration.

Eragon is voting Volxen I believe (?) but I don't think Eragon is scum.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser/eragon/ausukaIf I'm wrong on one of Keyser/Eragon the other scum is the worst playing one of his top five scumgames in real time

or volxen is scum with another scum pulling a lot of strings to fool me in particular, in which case it's always with one of Keyser/eragon/tw anyway, so I'll worry about that later

Basically everyone (but LabRat?)

[Keyser Söze]

I'll townread Keyser when he scumreads eragon.

You should have been in the thread at the start of D2 (but I've since re-read Eragon's trajectory on Creature and his reactions to my playstyle).

It's your job to present a case for scum-Eragon though.

As I told TW, if you think he's scum. Show me.

[Keyser Söze]

but I do still think that you’ve done a lot of stuff that doesn’t come from town very often

Well if we play again (which I hope we do, because I have enjoyed our exchanges despite the heated nature of them, more my side due to my stronger scum read of you, I hope you don't think I'm a douche) use this as a

reference point

of how to read my town game. I don't do 'mafiascum town'.

[Keyser Söze]

No, I don't think labrat or Dr J have much scum equity
I also don't think tw is likely to flip scum, he's just where I would go if another Hell flip surprised me
I also don't think volxen is scum, but if he is, he's the last one I'll catch

Stop putting words in my mouth, thank you
Also I'm pretty sure eragon is voting Dr J?

pedit: it's next on my list of to-do's, don't worry

I'm putting words in your mouth because none of your reads, readslists or votes have made sense to me today.

At least we agree on Dr J (but I want to know why you don't think he has scum equity, just a second ago you were asking everyone to say why he was town)

Have you even fully caught up?

This isn't you.

[Keyser Söze]

keyser how are your scum and town games different

I'll discuss this tomorrow if I'm put to L-1.

[Keyser Söze]

I'll townread Keyser when he scumreads eragon.

If your read on me is based on this...

Thanks, but no thanks.



If you are town, I think you have an immense amount of work to do before I engage you again. You need to find me 3 scum [

Eragon, +?, +?]

Me masturbating over my self meta isn't gonna help you sort the other players, or improve my read on you.


Good luck.

[Keyser Söze]

The lack of rejection from the rest of the thread makes me wanna not send Dr. J to heaven. I don't think he's a wolf but I think scum want him heaven'd

Who are the “scum” that want him heavened?

I don’t think we can hammer Dr J anyway as you/LabRat/irrelphant strongly oppose.


Volxen will likely be heavened at this rate (I don’t support the Keyser/LabRat wagons).

[Keyser Söze]

My read on you isn't based on that, no. I just wanted to see if it affect your read on him at all. Would've worked better if I had more towncred, as right now I'm not sure anyone cares what I think of their slot, since I'm basically consensus scum

I would prefer you to present to me scum-Eragon with a clear case instead of playing mind games.

[Keyser Söze]

I am fairly sure the fact that irrelevant started another wagon on you is indicative of your town, which is another plus town point for you and I I do scumread irrelevant for it. But then, how does it benefit scum to start another wagon, which has pretty much zero chance of taking off in the time we have left given nobody else has agreed to it?

Ugh... *holds head

It’s a futile wagon only used for anti-associations.

[Keyser Söze]

Like.. who seriously is going to send LabRat to heaven today

[Keyser Söze]

Like.. who seriously is going to send LabRat to heaven today

^

It was done to fuel your perspective of anti-distancing.

It was not done because LabRat is one of his strong town reads...

Look at Irrellephants trajectory on LabRat today.

Tell me if town!Irrelphant sends a slot like LabRat over Dr J/Volxen/(TW).

[Keyser Söze]

why am I townreading like everyone

Are you town reading me, Ausuka and Eragon?



Nah, didn’t think so.

[Keyser Söze]

If my reads are wrong they are wrong. I will pay the consequences of Dr J’s flip. But that’s the game. Live and learn.



But the scum cases on Dr J/Volxen/Eragon/Ausuka have not been convincing enough.

[Keyser Söze]

Like.. who seriously is going to send LabRat to heaven today

honestly i think they are p.towny overall, so i wouldn't fight against it.

If they are town, who is scum? I'm left with you or Ausuka.

[Keyser Söze]

colors dont mean anything i just felt it made it easier to pinpoint stuff

I love that colouring method.
I may use it in the future.

[Keyser Söze]

If you're scum, please hammer.

[Keyser Söze]

Dr J.

[Keyser Söze]

It's a joke, he's not scum.

[Keyser Söze]

546 posts later we finally get there.
I'm done for today.

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah, the postcount is slightly worrying. I will be having a break from mafia after this game (being serious this time )


I may just be obsessing over the worst and Irrelephant too much after a run of games with them, but these scumfeels do feel real mayn. Need to clear my head. x

[Keyser Söze]

Good luck to you too

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah, willing to accept D2 was probably TvT between us.

[Keyser Söze]

It’s actually good we lynched Dr J there because none of us had him in our bottom 3 scum reads.



My first natural reaction would be to look at players opposing his lynch yesterday (shading Dr J but not explaining why).

[Keyser Söze]

I didn’t like how Irrelephant kept asking for a towncase on Dr J (even though he said Dr J didn’t have scum equity in his readslist). Plus, the fact Irrelephant ended up on the wagon in the end.

Something felt unnatural there.



I’ll probably ISO Irrelephant’s comments on Dr J from yesterday first.

[Keyser Söze]

Volxen was sheeping / supporting me throughout D2 - I didn’t see this as scum massaging my ego though. Plus, Volxen on paper has tarnished his clean image now by going along with my passionate tunnel (don’t see scum motivation in that).

[Keyser Söze]

Dr J

Keyser
Volxen

Eragon
Ausuka

Irrelephant
TW
LabRat

Right now I'm here TW:

Volxen
TW

Eragon
Ausuka

LabRat

Irrelephant

[Keyser Söze]

Weird thing is I wrote off LabRat as NOT scum partners with Dr J on D1 (due to their 'pressing'/'drama' of eachother).

[Keyser Söze]

I do feel LabRat and Irrellephant have been sheeping you a lot though.

I think you started to feel those vibes only yesterday.

[Keyser Söze]

Simple VCA, your thoughts please:

Creature (5) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, volxen, Ausuka, the worst, Irrelephant

We now know Dr J was the scum on this wagon. Do you think all three scum are on this wagon? I would say no 95% of the time.




Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (5) - Keyser Söze, volxen, Ausuka, Irrelephant, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

Dr J annoyingly self hammered so we lose out on getting that fifth player to commit to this wagon, but again - can you see all three scum on this wagon? I would hesitantly say NO.

Eragon has been off wagon twice now... (he’s made the right choice twice now, so unless we go down the scum-who-wants-town-cred route, he’s likely just a townie with good reads).

LabRat has also been off wagon twice but her reasons for being so are less transparent.

[Keyser Söze]

btw i think you're outside the "keyser townrange" i know but on reflection maybe... not necessarily... in a bad way?
just like, not what i've come to expect from you as town

interestingly enough though if this is actually you're scumgame i'm surprised by a few things and will reconsider my profile of you as a player. not in a bad way at all. just a surprised way. <3

Yep, I got caught up in my old keyser ways (extreme confirm bias). That’s why I had a year break from the game.

[Keyser Söze]

I’m glad today is not about me vs you too - maybe that is what scum wanted?

[Keyser Söze]

Irrelephant's posts on Dr J (the colours represent Irrelephant's read on Dr J):

DAY ONE - HELL

"slight townlean for this (more because it's Korina than if it was anyone else)"

"Though I feel like it's probably too early to say this"

"Korina is kinda LAMIST-y as town, at least based on the one game we played together"

"rat/drj... possible scum partners but only if they planned for early theater from the get go"

"Also do you really think it's the three of them?? I don't understand how you're this confident (especially on creature, who hasn't posted once?)"

"

Your push on labrat is too much imo and I can't decide if it's more likely to come from scum!you or town!you

Like I don't have this super strong townread on labrat but I feel like you're really sure he's scum because... he contradicted himself?

tbf I guess it's towny of you to push him hard to get more that *is* AI from him, so I should probably just let you two do your thing and see how it goes"

"overall I still think this is a bad reason to townread tw"

"{me}
{tw, volxen, DrJ}
{labrat}
{Carmen, lefty} - null
{keyser}
{creature}"

"I think I maybe like swapping volxen/DrJ, or putting you in the second Heaven if we get there"

"LAMIST as a self-meta-replicating strategy is possible but maybe unlikely, given I seemed to surprise Korina by describing their play that way? I'll concede that it's probably closer to NAI/townlean than *strongly* town indicative, given I'm not that familiar with scum!Korina or the other head
I'd have to do a deeper dive to remember if DrJ's pushes led or followed the crowd on labrat - do you know offhand from re-reading? Definitely some element of sheeping tw on Creature, I think"

"actually yeah I'm not seeing what you're seeing re:tunnel vision
What about DrJ's play feels tunnel vision-y?"

"I think I'm right about AT townlean for DrJ. I had them higher before you pointed out that LAMIST-as-town-meta doesn't mean they have to be town just because they're LAMIST. I haven't had the time to read their ISO like I wanted, too much going on at work today"

"

I think I come out with a stronger townlean again, actually. DrJ's paranoia seems real (feels uninformed, truly sorting) and the LAMIST style fits town meta w/o being cognizant that that is their town meta

I tried to glance at LCPL's meta for anything LAMIST-y but he only has scum games, so that doesn't help. still, I feel like newbie's look lamist-y more often anyway (and I don't really agree he's as lamist as korina anyway)

If Keyser is scum here he feels confident that buddying with the right people will save his team, or he's scum with DrJ

..."

DAY TWO - HEAVEN

"DrJ is the townie with the worst reads so far, which is why he is easy to wagon this game phase. Paranoid about the very popular push to Heaven them, but maybe scum are just looking to lynch townies in every phase idk."

"{me}
{the worst}
{volxen, ausuka, DrJ}
{labrat} - null
{keyser, eragon}"

"

Yeah I think scum is trying to take towncred for sending DrJ to Heaven more than anything.

Trying to imagine a world where DrJ is scum, and it's hard to make sense of the universal townreads (including my own).

Honestly I think scum might just be trying to get to judgment day ASAP, and send their favorite townie to Heaven, since I think volxen & DrJ are both probably town

"

"

Anyone think DrJ is scum?

Someone remind me the towncase

"

"

No, I don't think labrat or Dr J have much scum equity

"

"

but I'm just now noticing the deadline so fine, VOTE: Doctor Jekyll, My Hyde because at this point I don't care about this game phase anymore

"

"

everyone is convinced that Keyser has solved the game so, great. Either Dr J is town or this flip will be extremely telling anyway

"

[Keyser Söze]

could you dig me up the exchange between labby and dr. j which felt unaligned?

Will do... soon.

[Keyser Söze]

I don't like how Irelphant would express a town read of Dr J (but then to slip in a bit of doubt, incase of a scum flip)

Irelelphant also kept trying to pin me on Dr J as scum partners, which I never understood. (in my world view we were two townies. And in his world view Dr J was supposed to be town)


""Anyone think DrJ is scum?
Someone remind me the towncase"
These are awful posts to share at that time. Everyone was town reading Dr J. Even Irrelphant was. Why post this?


TMI'ing: "this flip will be extremely telling anyway"

[Keyser Söze]

could you dig me up the exchange between labby and dr. j which felt unaligned?

Will do... soon.

It kind of dominating the whole of their initial D1 focus: Dr J vs LabRat.

There are a lot of posts.

My initial association theory came from around RVS time though.

[Keyser Söze]

the colours represent Irrelephant's read on Dr J):

Or more so the strength/conviction of his read . I concede Irrelephant never scum cased Dr J.

[Keyser Söze]

Plus LabRat and Irreplhant have been following the classic scum indicative behaviour of going missing, then coming back with lots of posts.. then disappearing...

There should be more natural nuanced filler inbetween IMO. Especially from town!Irrlephant that is.



Is there a player you think I should be evaluating outside these two players?

[Keyser Söze]

Oh, and I don’t get LabRat’s scum read on me for not defending Creature enough and not pressing counter wagons on strong scum reads I never had on D1 (as if it was my moral duty as a townie, and failing to do so was “incredibly detrimental and REALLY unlikely” for a townie)???

I don’t see that as legitimate reason to scum read me.

[Keyser Söze]

- every time I think about Eragon as scum, a tiny yellow feathery tear rolls down my cheek (and he also yells at me >:C)

also some of his reads have shown a thought process really different from watchmen wanted which I think is more in line with how town!Eragon forms his read. he played a fucking good game but also was townbinned there partially due to gamestate and poor wagonomics (plus the inordinate amount of TvTs he could coast through )

we're deffo looking at a different era here, he's a lot sharper with a smoother trajectory and he's like. cognisant of his position within the gamestate and how slots are revolving around him, y'know?

either his wolf WIM has soared or he's Just Good Ol' Town

That’s where I landed with eragon on D2 too.

This is a different Eragon to WW-Eragon.

[Keyser Söze]

I don’t think this was the TW vs Keyser D3 shitfest scum were expecting

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah, this must be the day ausuka bares her soul.

[Keyser Söze]

Irrelephants choice to vote LabRat instead of Volxen was strange too (the timing was very suspicious)

I think at that stage I conceded Volxen was going to be the inevitable D2 lynch (as it was our mutual choice/town read)

Then, Irrelephant chooses to vote Dr J instead of Volxen.....




If we’re talking VCA/wagon momentum, that’s the scummiest shift of vote of D2 by far.

[Keyser Söze]

if we'd sent Labby we'd have an awesome high info lynch

I don't know - if Dr J had not flipped, I would have kept pushing scum!TW today (nothing would have changed, as town!Volxen was part of both our narratives), we would have no doubt got the TW vs Keyser shitfest today instead of pro-active re-evaluation. Dr J had me pocketed, and most of the rest of the playerlist if not all. So he would have long-wolfed and won.

So despite me pushing the scum agenda all day yesterday, I think we're in a stronger position now weirdly

[Keyser Söze]

Oh, miss-read, "Labby" lynch.
(but that was never going to happen D2)

[Keyser Söze]

Oh, miss-read, "Labby" lynch.
(but that was never going to happen D2)

If Labby had flipped scum, my scum read on you would have doubled, and me and scum-Dr J would have lynched you today

[Keyser Söze]

What are your thoughts on LabRats use of her vote this game?


What comes across to me is that she’s too self-conscious in a scummy way.

Also in regard to how she reacts to players scum reading her slot (I’d need to see her voting behaviour and reaction to being scum read in her previous town games).

[Keyser Söze]

Wish mafiascum had those MU thread facilities where you can filter posts (i.e see Dr J's and LabRat's post only side by side).

I feel Irrelphnat is the easy vote right now, so I'm gonna step off the gas for now (it's funny how the whole WW gang aren't town reading him here. Whereas I think the WW gang are all t/reading you now(?)).

I'm gonna try sort LabRat next.

[Keyser Söze]

Let’s counter

VOTE: Dr J

Keyser I don't think I remember you ever explaining why you townread Dr J, other than "finding their case on labrat agreeable". Can you quote your reasons for the townread for me

Torn between trying to find something meaningful in DrJ's posts from D2 and just ignoring them because all their reads were probably just made to make people happy
Actually if it's the latter, who was Dr J trying to make happy? Not me I don't think

Dr J was a strong town lean from D1 (we talked through my two doubts together remember).
Dr J straight up pocketed me though. Wellplayed him. Combined with my confirm bias on other slots was a bad cocktail.

Me defending Dr J that hard and for that long (without re-evaluating that slot) was very bad play by me.

[Keyser Söze]

I agree with TW about “if I’m wrong with a town read it’s Ausuka/Eragon”.


(I’m secretly glad you didn’t put LabRat in your bottom two reads too)

[Keyser Söze]

Hmmm

TW certainly controlled D1, and I controlled D2... but it doesn’t mean we personally dominated the game

as scum...

I’m more inclined to look at the people who sheeped us, letting us run wild with our paranoia.


However, I will be actively re-evaluating every slot this hell phase (unlike yesterday)

[Keyser Söze]

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?

@LabRat

Who told you this?

I certainly didn’t talk about it in the sign up thread.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?

Don’t cross the line though or a tragedy may occur
That’s better
ԅ( ˘ω˘ԅ)
so many animal avatars in the game...

How were you familiar with my meta too (sheep wearing wolveskin - or Ducky in this scenario) THIS EARLY

Who told you about my relationship with Irrelphant?

You didn’t play WW.

[Keyser Söze]

I am forced to suspect you share a PT with Irrellephant (or TW, but I read him as town).

[Keyser Söze]

@Irrelephant
@TW

Thoughts?

[Keyser Söze]

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Your discrediting, colourful language and fluff has no power over anyone now.

They are awake.

We speak in tangibles now.

Why aren’t you voting Dr J?

This is amazing

Sorry

[Keyser Söze]

I am reading your defence/long explanations (I understand your points) but I don't feel they are telling me anything about your alignment.

I await your scum reads - as it feels like you are now talking to me as if I am town (?)

[Keyser Söze]

I do like this point from Irrelephant11 here:

hi, sorry for disappearing for a bit. i've not really been feeling that well.

VOTE: Jekyll

i thought volxen's posts recently were towny and i don't scumread him anymore but he doesn't want heaven and neither does keyser so...

keyser, are you totally sure about this? i don't see anything exactly wrong with following that scumteam for now since the players you scumread are pretty likely to be scum but it's very difficult to nail the exact scumteam right now and I think you should be somewhat open to the possibility that you've gone wrong somewhere in the future;

it might not be a good idea to base your decisions on your current theory throughout this entire game.

this is a pretty terrible sheeping-Keyser post. The bolded is kinda TMI

If I squint, I can see this as scum!Ausuka talking to me.

I don't think Ausuka has really

showed up

today either yet. Are they happy for the focus to be on Relly and LabRat?

[Keyser Söze]

Going to figure out if Ausuka pocketed me here...

...and look at their influence on the Creature lynch.

[Keyser Söze]

this is one of my worst town games?

What if me, you and TW were having our worst town game together?
At least you acknowledge why you are in my/our PoE right now.



I need to understand how LabRat got clued up with our meta/friendship so early...

[Keyser Söze]

Spoiler: Ausuka pushing Creature on D1:

"Weirdly it seems to take Creature 29 posts to produce actual scumhunting content."
"Like what is actually the point of this post? I feel like it's supposed to be game-related content but it contains nothing except Creature saying "I'm going to try and identify who's scum and town" which literally everyone tries to do."
"Actually I think the lynch is likely Creature anyways so not gonna post more about him for now."
"honestly I kind of feel crazy for even entertaining the idea that tw has been bussing creature this whole time?"
"AWOO"
"Creature's entire dayplay recently has been orientated towards saving himself."
"His vote and push on me has been completely devoid of substance and wasn't real."
"Hanging anyone except him today is just a huge mistake."

[It's a pretty sharp focused push on Creature. Ausuka wasn't letting Creature survive D1. I don't think Creature ever got called up on this either...? Shouldn't have Ausuka been more aware of Creature's playstyle?

My concern with this:

Ausuka was definitely painting every action of Creature's as scum motivated: 1) Creature's lack of early scum hunting content 2) Creature's vote for me 3) Creature's vote for Ausuka.... there isn't much of an attempt to look from Creature's town/scum perspective]

Spoiler: Ok, so these are the posts I liked at the time (Ausuka stating my town-motivation / understanding my perspective / morale level clearly) - this could be where Ausuka 'pocketed me'.

Like yeah Keyser's vote there wasn't the best but from what he said afterwards it seems likely that he was townreading Creature there hence why he doesn't want that lynch - with less than a day left a compromise lynch does make some sense. And like 991 was a joke and I really don't think it's scum indicative at all.

wrt/ 954 I haven't exactly read the entire game but just because town emotion seems obvious to you doesn't mean every townie is going to interpret it in the same way - I do think TW is capable of faking emotions as scum and a fluid train of thought, and looking at 429 honestly I don't even see why scum can't fake that.

I think it is very rare to be "salty that (somebody) SRd you right" and I also don't get the impression Keyser is that kind of person. And again you interpreting those posts as town tells really does not mean that everybody has to.

wrt/ 1047; you don't need to be an extensive expert to know about Creature's meta; you can simply look at recent games in which he blurred the line. And a lot of people are just strongly against meta in general without any background knowledge of the player being discussed.

the lovers game thing was incorrect, yes, but that doesn't mean his intentions behind bringing it up were malicious; it's perfectly reasonable that he just saw the game, saw Irre buddying his buddies, and reporting his findings without thinking to check too much, since it was an off-the-cuff theory as he puts it. FTR there was a problem in that game with a town player not realizing the setup was Lovers so it's definitely possible the same happened to Keyser.

btw I don't see how keyser's posting is inconsistent with someone who is just demotivated.

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that post was a joke since we're all vanilla.

I don't get why he would pretend he was lynched as scum when that's obviously not the case? I really think that's just a joke honestly.

My concern:

it was the popular notion on D1 to view me as scum. Was Ausuka wishing to earn towncred here and to pocket me?

I work much better from realtime

Yeah, we need to see you more in real time Ausuka, you are

dropping down pretty close to null for me

I NEED TO SEE SOME PRO-ACTIVE PASSION from you right now to sort this playerlist. We haven't made a good start. Where is the pain and frustration?
I must admit that one of the core reasons why I was town leaning your slot was your defence/support for me D1/D2 (which is a naive/weak reason)

[Keyser Söze]

-------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know why this is here but I want to see it in my ISO:

Creature

(5) -

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

, volxen, Ausuka, the worst, Irrelephant

Keyser

(2) - LabRat01,

Creature

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

(1) - Eragon
Eragon (1) -

Keyser Söze

Not Voting -

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

(5) -

Keyser Söze

, volxen, Ausuka, Irrelephant,

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

volxen (1) - the worst
Not Voting - LabRat01, Eragon

[Keyser Söze]

What’s your take on Soze so far? Is the ‘I thought it was just two goons’ and then the break down of DrJ/Rat following that line of thought something you think they’d do/are capable of as scum?

You know, sth like that could prob be faked by a 5-year old.

Possibly younger

It kinda feels like you didn't want to appear useless so decided to write

anything

that might appear helpful without actually considering if it makes sense to ask about that.
Do not do it like that. If you want to do sth, you can comment on the stuff:
-I wrote about duck,
-keyser wrote about me&DrJ,
-DrJ wrote about me/keiser
-or w/e.
Just pick a wagon and go with it, there’s no need to be wary here

@LabRat - may have asked this before but who were you talking about when you posted this? Me or Lefty?

[Keyser Söze]

Ok. Both fair points.

[Keyser Söze]

P.s Didn’t mean passionate “reads” though. I don’t actually mind if you had everyone in null right now.

[Keyser Söze]

I hope there is posting this weekend.

Last 48 hours has killed the momentum.

[Keyser Söze]

Is it only LabRat t/reading Relly right now?

[Keyser Söze]

I feel the only real shift of read(s) today have been me and you being pushed to the upper echelons of town.
No other notable development...

[Keyser Söze]

Who is in the ‘if they’re scum they’re gonna win” camp?

Volxen, TW, Keyser?
Does Eragon squeeze in there?

If so, I’m gonna try have some closure with my Eragon read today.

[Keyser Söze]

Few further thoughts on Eragon...

i think im confident enough calling TW/Keyser TvS, never SvS, and if they are both TvT i am fucking up somewhere, so i think thats good for me.

I think Eragon's association theory regarding me and TW was rational on D2. If I were to look from the outside in, there is nothing reachy about that conclusion given mine and Ducky's intense 12 round bout.

Who is the only person(other than maybe keyser?) That correctly read creature
Who actually MADE A CASE on volxen being town that’s not “Oh ThEiR fIrSt FiVe PoStS mAkE tHeM oBv ToWn On MeTa”
Who has been reconsidering reads
Who has 40 more posts than you and joined at the end of D1
Who has acually been in thread for the majority of time active?

Self-commendation: Eragon sharing a list of all the positive/pro-town play he thinks he deserves credit for. This righteous indignation expressed towards Relly is pretty believeable as coming from town!Eragon. This is also 1 post of 2 that Eragon kills probable-scum!Irrelephant.

im akshully very confident in an Irrel!scum here.
they do not have the same form of transparant towni-ness that they were fond of in WW.
Like, did anyone ever even scumread them in WW?
they were extremly obvious through thoughts, reads, wagons, etc... and even from a scum perspective i knew that was always going to be town

Death by meta: Post 2 of 2 of Eragon killing Irrelephant. I can't help but agree with Eragon's observations here.

@TW, i know you have said you can't see yourself being TvT, but is it possible to re-revaluate? When you feel up to it of course.

@keyser, same question to you.

The peace maker: Interesting... Eragon was a strong advocate of there being one scum in me and TW on D2. But here is Eragon now trying to encourage TW and I to re-evaluate our stances on eachother. (

There is possible TW-Eragon scum connection here, but I don't scum-read either slot, so that association is a red-herring

) I do personally like this change of read from Eragon, as the same damn thing was going through my head early D3 after Dr J's flip.



Bottom line:

I'm finding it really hard trying to see Eragon's read development as manufactured/scum motivated.

The conclusions they've expressed all make sense. Please can Eragon just be town here. Otherwise, f**k this game.

[Keyser Söze]

Interesting... that is good to know regarding Ausuka.

Please could you share a few bulletpoints on that.

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah I can see that ‘Ausuka-didn’t-see-the-DrJ-red-flip-coming’ narrative.

[Keyser Söze]

Don't think the day should end before labrat becomes more present

Still t/reading them?

[Keyser Söze]

{keyser, volxen}
{the worst}
{labrat}
--
{eragon, ausuka}

Think your only way out here is to convince us of scum in Eragon/Ausuka.

It's ok, we have 36 hours to kickstart the hell phase.

[Keyser Söze]

Activity is aways aignment indicative: If in dubt ynch the lw psters: vxen and ausuka

[Keyser Söze]

If I replaced out would you stay and play?

[Keyser Söze]

Don’t replace out LabRat, if you’re town we need you to win the game.

[Keyser Söze]

If this was town vs town, surely we can identify the scum who may have capitalised on it?

[Keyser Söze]

I hope I didn’t make you replace out LabRat x

[Keyser Söze]

think f0r y0ursef, anayze the pst fr y0urseIf, and why the fuck do you even care ab0ut that if it shud be 0bvi0us t0 y0u that the reas0ning can't be c0rrect because "y0u can't be scum"

I scum read you LabRat, that’s why I was attacking you. None of it was personal.

[Keyser Söze]

Godammit! Still haven't rolled scum with

the worst

(there were even improved odds too: 3 from 9!)

btw, were you planning to say this since before the game started?

I recall someone saying that they want their alignments to be the same as in the watchers game, were you scum there?

@LabRat

Who told you this?

I certainly didn’t talk about it in the sign up thread.

Keyser my love if you had to dayvig someone based off rvs who would it be and why?

Don’t cross the line though or a tragedy may occur
That’s better
ԅ( ˘ω˘ԅ)
so many animal avatars in the game...

How were you familiar with my meta too (sheep wearing wolveskin - or Ducky in this scenario) THIS EARLY

Who told you about my relationship with Irrelphant?

You didn’t play WW.

Can I have closure on this before you go though LabRat x

[Keyser Söze]

On an unrelated note, I'm 100% going to need volxen to explain his vote on me this game day

I thought you TMI’d town read Volxen after his first 3 or 4 posts...?

[Keyser Söze]

SeriusIy, if y0u're t0wn, I Iegit think that y0u sh0uId be ashamed 0f y0ursef

I did s0rt 0f tunneI y0u f0r that, but tbh even if y0u're t0wn, y0u abs0IuteIy deserved that
tbh I stiII can't c0mpeteIy get 0ver that, but w/e gg

I think you're being hypocritical.

Upon what parameter are you measuring town emotion? (You have a narrow view of what a townie can express, especially in a stressful high risk game).


I hard scum read you, Irrellephant and TW on D2.

As I said, the stronger the read, the more expressive I am.

Compare that to my press on Ausuka and Eragon on D1. They were mild suspicions (PoE).

You, Relly and TW were stronger scum reads, thus more intense pushes.

D3, the scum feels are less intense, hence the more measured questioning today.

If you're aren't able to take a step back don't call me shameful. Its a game where paranoia will rage and emotions will flare. Does that make me bad town? No.

[Keyser Söze]

I think this must be town!LabRat.

No scum would resort to such gross misconduct, character assassination, slander and AtE

Great memes though. Hope you regain your joy x

[Keyser Söze]

Time to re-read Volxen then.

[Keyser Söze]

So did scum break VCA by all being on both misslynches?

[Keyser Söze]

When I’m caught in confirm bias I am pretty ugly. I will admit that. And yes, I should have been more open with you instead of dismissive.

[Keyser Söze]

I think there is place in heaven for a Rat afterall

[Keyser Söze]

and btw, @keyser d0 you have any th0ughts ab0ut the pe0ple sheeping you?

I feel D2 was the sheeping (Dr J my town read flipped scum, and Volxen said today he was going to relook at everything (?), also a town read).

[Keyser Söze]

Is it possible to see the D3 postcount for each player?

[Keyser Söze]

That comment about ‘coasting on towncred’ sent me shivers down the spine

[Keyser Söze]

I mean.. to look at the players who have sat on their ass all day.



We stand before the precipice of defeat and I would have expected more urgency (talking to Volxen, ausuka.. and potentially Eragon here).


RE: Volxen - do you think you went too deep of a town read too early on D1?

RE: Eragon - I did like some of the meta points he raised (can you personally see a difference in your energy/WIM/game solving pointedness between this game our previous games together?)

[Keyser Söze]

We have two scum left, who do people think are actually aligned?

Scum have day chat so we can’t undervalue the amount of distancing they’ve actively performed.

[Keyser Söze]

I actually like LabRat after last night.
I hope that wasn’t scum-LabRat, otherwise that was unsportsmanship emotional manipulation.