Newbie 1902 l Amphibians l Game Over

[Doughboy]

Happy thanksgiving. I don’t like turkey so it’s get rid of the turkey who dare vote me

VOTE: mew

[Doughboy]

People shouldn’t be afraid to lynch the IC if they truly think he’s scum. The SEs can answer questions about theory and that’s really the only job of an IC.

[Doughboy]

I don’t see how that’s written from scum POV, but I guess that’s why I’ve never been a fan of those kind of questions.

[Doughboy]

Because she's looking at this game and comparing it to how she reacted as scum in a game of irl-mafia (as opposed to, say, how she reacted as town)

Meh. That’s not how I see it.

[Doughboy]

VOTE: yyotta

Sorry for the absence. This weekend was hectic.

[Doughboy]

sure. he claimed scum. can you tell me why you aren't voting him?

[Doughboy]

Oh my bad. I thought you were voting skitter. I saw a post where you announced he was at l-1.

In that case, why are you questioning me on why I’m voting the person you are voting? It’s fairly obvious why he should be lynched.

[Doughboy]

I need to reread the game to refresh my memory on everyone. When I get time that do that I’ll post my thoughts on him. From what I remember early on, nothing realy pinged me but I’ve been absent for a while.

[Doughboy]

If it was an experience kill wouldn’t that be the IC?

[Doughboy]

When a player claims scum it’s easy for scum to stay off the wagon. So I’m with overkill in that regard. I don’t know why anyone thinks my vote looked bad, a player claimed scum and asked to be lynched. I don’t see why any townie would do such a thing. I actually think maybe we should lynch numbers but I need to catch up on the game better.

[Doughboy]

Inb4 both scum just declared v/la

[Doughboy]

im not, im just looking at all angles before I decide this.

thats fine, I want your input, why would town quick hammer, why would mafia quickhammer, who benifits, etc.

Also I would like them to explain.

I have seen both quick hammer so it's not really something you can hang your hat on

[Doughboy]

I have seen both quick hammer so it's not really something you can hang your hat on

I disagree, gametheory would state its a scum move, it doesnt benifit town, and they have yet to even post since, and havent been prodded. you dont want to even dwell on the fact that a duo beginner team might decided to misslynch, have the quick hammer player lay low, meanwhile other scum pushes a second misslynch?

we aren't talking about game theory. We are talking reality. The sad fact is lots of townies quick hammer, some have a policy to always quick hammer on day 1, and others just think it's funny. quick hammers aren't AI imo, but you are free to have a different opinion.

Hell I quick hammered once as town in a newbie game I think.

[Doughboy]

I just finished a game where town cc'd the vig and faked a mason claim with scum. people are stupid

[Doughboy]

don't shade me for taking v/la for a few days; you don't know what's going on in my life rn

explain why you're suggesting i'm scum here and why you think it might be with notnova

See that wink at the end? That implies it is a joke. Get a sense of humor please.

[Doughboy]

what do you think of overkill's claiming scum and his later claiming that his friend stole his phone and posted it as a joke

also the fact that the two people who are saying they think scum weren't on the wagon are people who themselves were on the wagon is not a good look imo

Haven’t really thought about either to be honest. So I have no opinions on it right now

[Doughboy]

it read as shading to me, and i did not appreciate it

Sorry you can’t take a joke. Get a sense of humor.

ok, so can you think about both of these things and give an opinion?

Idk why. It’s kind of pointless.

1. I have no way of verifying if it was a joke by him, if his friend did it to Fuck with him, or if his friend posted his actual role. I don’t think the mod would intervene so I have to ignore it especially since what happened day 1.

2. The fact 2 people are saying scum could possibly not be on the wagon is a statement nobody can prove or deny other than scum themselves. Since I’m obviously one of these people, I don’t think it’s a red flag. If you do, cool beans. I’m not going to worry about something stupid like that.

[Doughboy]

I don’t have any reads. I was behind day 1, town trolled and ruined the game and I don’t really know where to go from here. You can’t analzy the lynch wagon. You can’t analyze the NK. It’s basically day 1 all over again.

[Doughboy]

I don’t like the votes for numbers. You don’t even have a reason and the reason the other person gave is bad.

[Doughboy]

I don’t have any reads. I was behind day 1, town trolled and ruined the game and I don’t really know where to go from here. You can’t analzy the lynch wagon. You can’t analyze the NK. It’s basically day 1 all over again.

I disagree; i think its entirely possible to form opinions on the day1 wagon, and i also think its scummy of you not to have reads at this point

So we will agree to disagree I guess.

[Doughboy]

Not liking somebody isn’t a reason tho

[Doughboy]

Oh I missed the “why” in that last sentence. My bad.

Ao rereading that, I didn’t actually consider that an actual reason. Since you are saying it is, I dislike your vote even more

[Doughboy]

Oh I missed the “why” in that last sentence. My bad.

Ao rereading that, I didn’t actually consider that an actual reason. Since you are saying it is, I dislike your vote even more

Ok, explain why you dont like it

Because yotta deserved to be lynched. He was going to hammer regardless who corrected him.

He had posted a couple of hours before so the fact that he was still around doesn’t mean much. I check the thread a bunch of times sometimes without posting. It’s basically a weak reason to take advantage of somebody and I see that more scum motivated than town motivated, especially when there is already one bad vote on them.

[Doughboy]

I don’t have any reads. I was behind day 1, town trolled and ruined the game and I don’t really know where to go from here. You can’t analzy the lynch wagon. You can’t analyze the NK. It’s basically day 1 all over again.

Freudian Slip?

I don’t like the votes for numbers. You don’t even have a reason and the reason the other person gave is bad.

So you’re reaction to a quick hammer makes me susp. You wrote it off so easy, and the fact you don’t think d1 was substantial in anyway makes me susp too. Numbers corrected the post instead of questioning the post, that definitely enough for susp. You are my number one scum lean rn though.

1. What?
2. Ok

[Doughboy]

VOTE: thespio

[Doughboy]

VOTE: Doughboy
PoE suggests that both scum are within: Roo, Crusty, Doughboy and Number I think.

You really shouldn’t omgus vote people. It’s very petty

[Doughboy]

I don’t cc

[Doughboy]

VOTE: thespio

Explain this.

Don’t like your push regarding the quick hammer. Especially after I explained it’s nai, you didn’t back off it’s scummy and I tbink scum motivated. Taking advantage of lhf

[Doughboy]

VOTE: Doughboy
PoE suggests that both scum are within: Roo, Crusty, Doughboy and Number I think.

You really shouldn’t omgus vote people. It’s very petty

Pardon me. I confused you with thespio

[Doughboy]

VOTE: Doughboy
PoE suggests that both scum are within: Roo, Crusty, Doughboy and Number I think.

How did you eliminate thespio?

[Doughboy]

VOTE: Doughboy
PoE suggests that both scum are within: Roo, Crusty, Doughboy and Number I think.

You really shouldn’t omgus vote people. It’s very petty

Pardon me. I confused you with thespio

What are you talking about?

it's pretty clear what I am talking about.

[Doughboy]

whats your read on crusty?

he just replaced in, so I don't have a read on him yet

[Doughboy]

Thespio makes a really good case against 0verki11 actually. Can I vote for him?

i do disagree with this post though. You don't make a good case for overkill.

[Doughboy]

@overkill - who did you target n1 and why? also you don't have to out the result, but can you tell me if you actually got a result?

[Doughboy]

*Neapolitan, Tracker, or doctor counter claims would be contrary to overkill, if you are a pr and not one of these 3 do not claim.

Just neo is contradictory. Don’t mislead people please.

[Doughboy]

Having been a tracker who claimed day one before, tracker/doc can exsist together

[Doughboy]

2015 player should know that. I feel much better about my vote.

[Doughboy]

Thats what I was used to^

Except you have a completed game with the new setup and you’re playing in another.

[Doughboy]

You don’t need to memorize it though. It’s posted on page 1. When calling for counters I’d expect you to check especially since you like to use the wiki.

[Doughboy]

don't understand why being confused about the setup is a reason to vote him. like why is this scummy of him?

That wasn’t my reason to vote him. Its scummy though because he’s trying to mislead people.

[Doughboy]

yeah someone semi-broke the setup - there was a whole strategy where if there was a 1shot bp they could claim first on day 1 and basically be an ic till they died (ie if someone claimed on a later day after people already asked for the bp claim it would be taken as a scumclaim, or scum could cc day1 but then there's a 1v1 day1 that containing one scum)

so they spent a while coming up with a new setup (the current one)

And people have tried to break this one. I will say that whoever suggest tracker claiming day 1 is wrong and should not be listened to. I made this mistake and it doesn’t break or even semi break the game.

[Doughboy]

I think ive thoroughly explained it was a misunderstanding, also your vote is from before, you said the reason was because of my policy lynch push. which i had to drop when the player subbed out

1. I’d have to take your word for it. I don’t believe you.

2. Just because you moved on due to the player replacing out doesn’t excuse your previous scummy push

3. And you didn’t really move that far from it, you voted numbers for not being concerned with the hammer. That’s you basically scum reading the hammer (which you shouldn’t) and instead of going after the person who did it, you are going after the people who realize it wasn’t anything to scum read.

You still come off looking bad. You should have at least stuck with your push despite the replacement.

[Doughboy]

I don’t have reads on all the active players rn. For now tracker claim is legit until otherwise countered. I’m scum reading you. The rest idk how I feel about them yet.

[Doughboy]

i think it's scummy that you're pushing him for this

Except I’m not pushing him for it. It helps solidify my read but I’m pushing him for something completely different

[Doughboy]

i mean i don't think anybody suggested trying to do that to break the game; he claimed tracker because he was at l1

No not this game. Im just throwing it out there as an FYI since you brought up game breaking strategies. I tried to do that in a previous game. It didn’t work and everyone agreed it’s not a good strategy.

p-edit i also find it scummy that you only have the one read at this stage
can you maybe link a scumgame?

Why is that scummy?

I haven’t been scum on site yet.

[Doughboy]

Do me a favor,

Sorry I’m not going to do favors for people I scum read. I’m content with what I’ve done for now. Day is ending and I don’t feel like moving my vote to somebody else.

[Doughboy]

I already said day one was basically a waste. I can’t scum read people for being in the wagon and I can’t scum read people for being off the wagon. I can sort of use NKA for the kill but even that isn’t reliable. I called out both votes earlier by you and skitter as bad. I still believe that. I think the fact the tracker said he’d do some ISO’s to sort people and voted without doing that is bad but he’s in cc’d so I can’t realy do anything about that right now.

He gave no reason for voting me. I did ask him how he cleared you because there’s isn’t anything in his iso that explains that.

You’re 2nd vote is equally bad
Skitter’s vote on me is also bad because he misrepped me. I didn’t vote you for misleading people. I’m not scum reading you for misleading people. All that did was make me feel better about my scum read. Like if somebody does something scummy and then does something else scummy after that, that supports your read. It isn’t the basis for it.

[Doughboy]

Do me a favor,

Sorry I’m not going to do favors for people I scum read. I’m content with what I’ve done for now. Day is ending and I don’t feel like moving my vote to somebody else.

Okay then, do /me/ this favour or present a more plausible lynch. I don't find your case against Thespio very persuasive.

That’s not my job. Im sticking with my vote on him. If you don’t like it, you find a more plausible one.

[Doughboy]

*and join it

[Doughboy]

Work on this, otherwise it seems scummy to not look at a whole game and instead look at one person without actual reason. You claimed my policy lynch was scummy but its standard to push people who quick hammer to L-1 and force a claim since scum only benefit from this.

It’s not standard though. If anything id argue it’s standard to not look at who hammered but who put the player in position to hammer. I don’t need advice on how to play, thanks for offering but I’m fine with what I’m doing. Thank you and I appreciate your concerns. I’m not worried with how people look at me.

I dont Understand why us looking at the last lynch puts you off so bad, it seems scummy to disuade us from looking at a quick lynch, if the hammer yesterday was scum they would have guidance in their day chat. they have that advantage.

I don’t think I have the power to forcibly stop anyine form looking at the day one lynch. I do have the power to use my own experiences to form opinions which is what I’ve shared. If you disagree with my opinions, that’s cool. I disagree with yours and I feel yours make you look like scum.

WHY SHOULDNT WE SCUM READ THE HAMMER.

As explained earlier. They are NAI. I’ve quick hammered as town. I’ve seen others as well. There are even players who have a reputation of doing it. So you can’t say with any sort of certainty that a person who quick hammers is more likely to be town or scum. That’s my opinion. You don’t have to listen to it, but you can’t get mad at me if I scum read you for it.

[Doughboy]

I didnt OMGUS vote anyone.

Never said you did. You clearly don’t understand context. I accused him of omgus voting me. I thought it was you that voted me which is why I apologized.

again, please explain why trying to pressure a quickhammer is bad, it baffles me you still are hung up on this, but explain it to me.

Idk why I need to keep explaining the fact that quick hammers are NAI. You either agree or disagree. Me explaining it over again doesn’t really seem useful. But ok.

Quick hammers are done by both town and scum. I’ve done it as town, I’ve seen town do it, there are even people who are known for doing it. You can’t say with any degree of certainty that a person who quick hammers is scum or not.

Better? Or do I need to do it again?

you really dislike us looking at the hammer. Why?

Quick hammers are done by both town and scum. I’ve done it as town, I’ve seen town do it, there are even people who are known for doing it. You can’t say with any degree of certainty that a person who quick hammers is scum or not.

Youre unable to scumread anyone at all even in day 2?

Obviously not since I have a scum read. Not sure how you got that from this post.

[Doughboy]

Thespio, are you implying a Numbers/Doughboy scumteam?

Yes, or numbers/[starydashslot] and doughboy is a Anti-Town

What is antitown about what I doing exactly?

[Doughboy]

you're calling him scummy for trying to mislead people; i consider that pushing him for this

Sharing my opinion isn’t pushing but ok. Agree to disagree I guess.

you're ascribing ill motivation/intent to his actions that i don't think actually exists

But it doesn’t matter what you think exsists, it matters what I think exsists. So agree to disagree again.

i don't really get where i'm supposed to have misrepped you

you said I was pushing him for misreading the chart. That’s not accurate

[Doughboy]

I’m not scum guys. I haven’t done anything scummy imo. These reasons for voting me are bad. Just because you disagree with who I’m scum reading and why doesn’t make me scum.

[Doughboy]

you said I was pushing him for misreading the chart. That’s not accurate

Im really hoping you are scum and not just anti-town, but skitter is saying you should have trying to push me as misrepresenting not based on the hammer. because you not wanting us to count the hammer is susp.

I’m neither scum or antitown.

Skitter said I’m scummy for pushing you for misrepresenting. That’s not what I did at all.

[Doughboy]

i think we have a disagreement over what the word 'pushes' means - i think you calling him scummy constitutes as 'pushing', and i think that's where part of the confusion here comes from

Pushes in mafia means the reason why somebody is being called scum. So if your definition is something else than yes we have different definitions.

He’s scum for the way he’s trying to take advantage of the quick hammer which is universally known as non AI (at least on a half a dozen sites I’ve played including this one).

His “mistake” was either genuine or it wasn’t and he’s now passing it off as one. It all depends on how you read him. If you town read him, you believe his word. If you scum read him, his word is meaningless

[Doughboy]

i also dislike that he only has the one read at this stage

Another misrep. I have more than 1 read

[Doughboy]

Skitter said I’m scummy for pushing you for misrepresenting. That’s not what I did at all.

don't understand why being confused about the setup is a reason to vote him. like why is this scummy of him?

That wasn’t my reason to vote him. Its scummy though because he’s trying to mislead people.

what did you mean by this

It means I’m scum reading him for something else but what he did with the misleading people was still scummy.

That’s pretty self explanatory though so what was the point of asking that?

[Doughboy]

I don’t have reads on all the active players rn. For now tracker claim is legit until otherwise countered. I’m scum reading you. The rest idk how I feel about them yet.

one scumread
think the tracker claim is legit (i don't really call this a read, but whatever)
don't have reads on anyone else

disagree that i'm misrepping you here

You can’t take me giving a read and then dismissing it as not having one. I have a scum read and a town read. That’s 2 so you did misrep me.

[Doughboy]

Why isn’t having limited reads scummy anyway?

[Doughboy]

His “mistake” was either genuine or it wasn’t and he’s now passing it off as one. It all depends on how you read him. If you town read him, you believe his word. If you scum read him, his word is meaningless

Right, it's a matter of interpretation — but you're choosing to interpret it as scummy while using the fact that it's scummy as reasoning — it's circular.

Can you try to compare Thespio's read of crusty's slot to mine or skitter's? I think we've all called the quickhammer scummy — so why Thespio exactly?

He voted specifically for the quick hammer. He then voted somebody else who spoke out that it wasn’t scummy.

That’s what I call doubling down. It’s suspicious to me. I don’t see anyone else who did the same.

[Doughboy]

I’m pretty sure in all my games I don’t have a ton of reads, especially early on. I typically tunnel one 1/2 people.

[Doughboy]

so you're objecting to me saying that you pushed him for misleading people? and you're saying that's not accurate because you didn't push him, but rather just called him scummy for it? is that accurate?

i'm asking because i think on some level we're communicating with each other badly so i'm trying to understand what you're trying to say

I am not pushing him for misleading people. That’s what I’m saying. You said I was. That’s a misrep.

I’m pushing him for his two earlier votes and the reasons for it.

[Doughboy]

That being you, yeah? Where's the scum incentive there? FMPOV that's not a prudent thing to do as scum. It'd be easy enough to stay on starry/crusty and try to convince you instead. Objectively I think switching votes there is more +town than +scum, unless you think there's scum incentive for him to antagonize you specifically.

Attacking lhf like I said earlier. It’s easy for scum to take advantage of a player who quick hammers. It’s easy to get people on board that quick hammers are scummy, because they are.

[Doughboy]

@doughboy do you think i'm misrepping you on purpose?

Kind of. Yes.

[Doughboy]

so you're objecting to me saying that you pushed him for misleading people? and you're saying that's not accurate because you didn't push him, but rather just called him scummy for it? is that accurate?

i'm asking because i think on some level we're communicating with each other badly so i'm trying to understand what you're trying to say

I am not pushing him for misleading people. That’s what I’m saying. You said I was. That’s a misrep.

I’m pushing him for his two earlier votes and the reasons for it.

ok, is it accurate to say: you think he's scummy for misleading people wrt to the chart thing (while also consideirng him scummy for other reasons)?

Yes. That’s more accurate.

[Doughboy]

That post just made me feel better about my push. It’s not the reason for it as you implied.

[Doughboy]

I’m still interested in knowing what I’ve done this game that’s antitown. Besides tunneling. I can’t help doing that.

[Doughboy]

That being you, yeah? Where's the scum incentive there? FMPOV that's not a prudent thing to do as scum. It'd be easy enough to stay on starry/crusty and try to convince you instead. Objectively I think switching votes there is more +town than +scum, unless you think there's scum incentive for him to antagonize you specifically.

Attacking lhf like I said earlier. It’s easy for scum to take advantage of a player who quick hammers. It’s easy to get people on board that quick hammers are scummy, because they are.

I meant specifically that him "switching votes" to someone who said "quickhammers aren't scummy" implies you're taking issue with him voting you, unless I'm misunderstanding you.

If I'm correctly interpreting your statement, I want to know what exactly makes him switching vote to you scummy.

He originally voted starry for quick hammering. Then he moved to numbers for not being concerned about the hammer. Neither of those I feel we’re good votes outside of pressure, but since he is saying he thinks the self hammer isAI, when it isn’t, I personally find it suspicious.

[Doughboy]

suppose he is scum and he did it on purpose - what does scum!him gain by saying tracker/doctor can't coexist?

He hopes that maybe he can get the doctor that claim thus making it easier for scum to win.

[Doughboy]

Scum know what setup we are in. At least they know which column.

[Doughboy]

That post just made me feel better about my push. It’s not the reason for it as you implied.

Doughboy, this is just going to go in circles until you claim, or you tell us your reads. if you dont have any, get some. you can still scumread me. just read everyone.


Also, are you claiming doc?

Im at work so my posts have gaps from when i start and end, but did you just soft claim doc?

Also scum doesnt, tracker still leaves 2 options in collumn 2.

I’ve shared my reads already. If I’m lynched so be it. I can’t magically put together reads without reading and I don’t have time to read right now.

[Doughboy]

Oh wait, im sold on the doughboy, he says scum knows layout, only scum would be able to definitively say that. scum cant tell layout if we are in column 2, but if we are in 3 they can, and doughboy claims they can.

Scum already know which column were in. Depending on the column, they know the setup.

Nice misrep

[Doughboy]

Tell me, what do you think of numbers correcting the hammer? Why do you think the hammer is town? Why do you think there’s a doctor not anything else? How do you know there’s one if you aren’t it?

I already have my thoughts on numbers correcting the hammer.
I don’t think the hammer is town. I’ve explained this like 4 times already. It’s NAI.
I didn’t say I think there is a doctor and not anything else.
I never said I know there is one. Why the misrep?

[Doughboy]

Dude you said there was a doc, so if you don’t claim doc you are scum, only scum would know layout if doc. Your Friedan slip got you.

No I didn’t.

[Doughboy]

@doughboy you said doctor in your ISO, Let me look at it again.

Skitter asked me the scum motivation of you throwing doctor in there. I answered him.

No where do I say I know there is a doctor in this setup. I did say scum know what setup it is.

Theoretically if you are scum and you know we are in column c, that makes your “mistake” a scum slip.

We won’t know until you flip.

[Doughboy]

It’s NAI

What makes it NAI

I feel like you aren’t reading my posts. I fucking explained it like 4 god damn times already

[Doughboy]

Quick hammers are done by both town and scum. I’ve done it as town, I’ve seen town do it, there are even people who are known for doing it. You can’t say with any degree of certainty that a person who quick hammers is scum or not.

[Doughboy]

He’s scum for the way he’s trying to take advantage of the quick hammer

which is universally known as non AI (at least on a half a dozen sites I’ve played including this one).

[Doughboy]

Besides your opinions on why nai, which I want to ignore, tell me why it’s nai.

Well genius. I can’t fucking do that. Either accept my reasons or move the fuck on

[Doughboy]

Because people like him exsists.

Quickhammerring is fun

Shit look at the OP. Or even Martina who is highly respected in this site.

Quickhammering is a form of trolling and ruins games, and needs to be looked into as an offence.

Uncaring, unthoughtful quickhammering I would argue is against the spirit of the game, regardless of alignment.

Accidental quickhammering, though unintended, unfortunately does happen and while regardless of alignment it puts the game in an awkward position, it can't be easily prevented and the presence of genuinely accidental quickhammers makes it a little harder to prove the presence of deliberate, uncaring, unthoughtful quickhammers.

Quickhammers with direct thought put into them, carefully weighed and decided, are within the spirit of the game, because the player making the quickhammer was, in their view, playing towards their wincon. However, the presence of this as a legitimate play call

also

makes it harder to prove the presence of deliberate, uncaring, unthoughtful quickhammers.

There wouldn’t be a thread discussing it if scum was the only one who quick hammered. Why would anyone complain about it?

People want to ban town quick hammering which means it happens a fuck ton.

[Doughboy]

So. Now with the new evidence.

You tell me how you can sit there and reasonably say quick hammers are AI.

Or in my Joe Pesci voice.

ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THOSE AI QUICKHAMMERS?!

[Doughboy]

Now can we PLEASE lynch this dude?

[Doughboy]

So I guess my question should be, besides your reason, which is anecdotal, why are quick hammers AI when the site you are playing on right now doesn’t consider them to be?

[Doughboy]

And don’t think I didn’t catch the role fishing. You pretty much confirmed you are doc hunting.

[Doughboy]

smh. I was purposely trying to avoid fighting with people.

Why do people always fuck with me. Just leave me alone gdi.

[Doughboy]

You keep shading me without saying what I’ve done that’s antitown.

I could argue you pushing something that’s nai as AI and blatantly ignoring my explanations, role fishing, and misleading people as antitown if you aren’t scum.

So what exactly am I doing that’s anti town?

[Doughboy]

And since you just said you think I’m anti town, that means you’re voting somebody you don’t think is scum. Of course you came to this conclusion after you just role fished the fuck out of me and I didn’t give you what you were hoping for.

Man I love catching scum.

[Doughboy]

meh,back to here for now

VOTE: crusty

I have just caught scum. Why are you not voting him?

[Doughboy]

Asking me to claim when no intent was given isn’t role fishing?

Asking me if I’m doc isn’t role fishing?

Saying if I don’t claim to be doc, then I basically scum slipped isn’t an attempt at rolefishing?

Are you scum with him?

[Doughboy]

i think he initially thought you said you knew there was a doc, and the ensuing convo was based on that mistaken assumption

At what point are you going to stop making excuses for him? There is no way he should have made the first mistake, but there is no way at all he saw me claim doctor.

The first one maybe was a mistake, the second is impossible to be one.

[Doughboy]

doctor

His reason he thought I was doctor is because I said the word doctor. Like wtf?

He said doctor first. I was talking about his mistake.

Impossible to think I claimed doctor.

[Doughboy]

@doughboy you said doctor in your ISO, Let me look at it again.

Quote fail

[Doughboy]

Look. We can win this game easy peasy if he is scum. Especially if this is column c, which it is if he’s scum.

Tracker is clear, I’d be clear, numbers and the quick hammer would be cleared and any person tracked is either clear or caught.

[Doughboy]

idk

none of the reasons you're giving for scumreading him really feel scummy to me rn

My reasons are better than anything he’s given.

[Doughboy]

Well if he’s scum you are lock his partner

[Doughboy]

Great. Let’s flip him.

The fear of mylo shouldn’t stop anyone cause that’s the same fear for whom we decide.

Y’all chose somebody, ran them up (without good reasons mind you) and they claimed tracker.

The votes came on me for no reason.

Now you’re voting somebody else for no good reason.

See a pattern?

I’ve outlined some of the best reasons given this game. You can disagree with them but haven’t provided anything better.

If this is actually column c, he looks really bad. We don’t know for sure though until we get somebody claiming doctor which isn’t
Going to happen.


We have to take an educated risk as we do with all lynches. The best one points to lynching thespio. You disagree? Fine I’ll hope others agree with me.

[Doughboy]

I mean m8 you did say doctor first.

Uh. You said it first.

Why the blatant lie?

[Doughboy]

Remember, im using a tiny iphone

So am I. All my posts come from a phone.

[Doughboy]

anicdotical antitown scheme

Except I’m not.

Either stop calling me antitown or provide your reasons why you think I’m antitown.

I just proved site meta leans toward quick hammers as being non AI, that was you wrote off as anecdotal.

This site disagrees with you, which makes your opinion anecdotal since you have no evidence to support your assertion and i do.



Fuck it.

I claim doctor.


Now lynch this piece of turd

[Doughboy]

I mean m8 you did say doctor first.

Uh. You said it first.

Why the blatant lie?

Yours : 364
Mine : 370

Im done interacting with you at this point im sufficiently convinced you are just a poor player not scum.

And 292 is before both of those.

You lose.

You know we are in column c and you tried to put the doc.

At least the tracker can confirm that skitter is your buddy or not.

[Doughboy]

*out the doc

Thespio/skitter imo.

Good night

[Doughboy]

And if you are somehow not scum. Fuck you for your antitown bullshit

[Doughboy]

i need to reread the thespio/doughboy doc convo in light of this tho

Ole. You don’t get to try and save face now. It was very clear what he was doing. He was role fishing and you denied it was.

Tracker needs to confirm your his partner after he flips scum. That’s the only way anyone should listen to you.

[Doughboy]

*lol not ole

[Doughboy]

@thespio You can save the innocent routine also. You are most likely scum. No way that wasn’t role fishing given the setup actually is a doctor. You wanted me to claim remember? You wanted me to claim doctor. You got you’re dying wish. Now get lynched for it.

mod please ask thespio to stop referring to me as anti town. I’ve asked numerous times to explain why and he refused to explain. I also gave him an ultimatum to explain or stop and again he refused. At this point I’m taking it as a personal insult. If he calls me antitown again I’ll escalate it.

Nobody insults me and gets away with it.

[Doughboy]

i need to reread the thespio/doughboy doc convo in light of this tho

Health reason, no idea why he would claim when i literally said i was dont pushing him. moron. so reguardless of who dies today we dont have a tp or rb so doughboy dies. if he doesnt hes lying and one of our slots that is v/lo or awaiting replacement could be the other pr.

seriously though, wtf.

I claimed to lynch caught scum. Congrats your ploy outed the doc but you’ve exposed your entire team. If skitter isn’t actually scum we’ll know tomorrow and Poe is easy from there.

[Doughboy]

hey, this'll be another game where i don't get nk'd

Scum can’t get nkd in newbies.

[Doughboy]

Logging off now cause the only active people are scum. Town this game are disappointing

[Doughboy]

You’ve just been reported to the site mods.

Do it again and I’ll find out who runs this site and email them directly.

[Doughboy]

You’ve just been reported to the site mods.

Do it again and I’ll find out who runs this site and email them directly.

You have serious problems dude. theres no sitewide rule that states i cant call how you play anti-town. so far 3/3 of the active players agree you shouldnt have claimed. i think the cussing and the complaining to the mod is a little over the top. just do us all a favor and post reads on the rest of us, while you think its me, you still havent posted about anyone else.

There actually is.

“Do not make any post or start any thread with the intent to insult or offend any other user on this site.”

And even a game rule.

It is all in the spirit of the game. That said, personal attacks or the implication of personal attacks are strictly off-limits and may result in a Locked thread and/or a Mod Kill depending on the severity of the insult.

So while I may have a problem right now due to somebody falsely accusing me of something without actually supporting the claim and doing so continuously even after being asked and even after me asking the mod to intervene, you are actually intentionally doing it knowing it pisses me off which makes what you did an intentional insult.

mod I can no longer play with thespio. You will either have to replace me or him. Sorry I refuse to be subject to trolling and insults anymore.

[Doughboy]

I’m not your fucking m8.

I’ve asked you at least 5 or 6 times to explain why I did that’s antitown. You refused to answer. That’s name calling.

You also said I was being anecdotal after I proved to you I wasn’t.

Your entire iso is to intentionally try to troll me. Once I caught your “mistake” you or skitter thought maybe that was me trying to soft doctor so you went in with the role fishing.

I will say if you are actually town, I’ve outlined many things you’ve done that are antitown. Unfortunately outside of me claiming doctor, which was the right play after it’s confirmed you were role fishing, I haven’t done anything else antitown.

The fact you can’t even explain these things just confirms it was a lie and thus intentionally trolling.

Good riddance.

Btw if you don’t lynch thespio, me claiming is wasted. Please don’t lynch anyone else or you’ve hurt town

[Doughboy]

The last line was for everyone else.

I guess mod won’t replace him so I’ll make this my last post.

Good luck town. Please don’t let me down. Lynch thespio please. @tracker, track skitter after the scum flip.

[Doughboy]

I’m not your fucking m8.

I’ve asked you at least 5 or 6 times to explain why I did that’s antitown. You refused to answer. That’s name calling.

You also said I was being anecdotal after I proved to you I wasn’t.

Your entire iso is to intentionally try to troll me. Once I caught your “mistake” you or skitter thought maybe that was me trying to soft doctor so you went in with the role fishing.

I will say if you are actually town, I’ve outlined many things you’ve done that are antitown. Unfortunately outside of me claiming doctor, which was the right play after it’s confirmed you were role fishing, I haven’t done anything else antitown.

The fact you can’t even explain these things just confirms it was a lie and thus intentionally trolling.

Good riddance.

Btw if you don’t lynch thespio, me claiming is wasted. Please don’t lynch anyone else or you’ve hurt town

we can get into this again, but your reason for ignoring hammer was you did it before as town, that anecdotal, just because you insist it isnt doent make you right. numbers make you right. I explained why i consider you anti-town, and no you wont get anyone banned or replaced because you have thin skin. I WALKED AWAY FROM YOU AND YOU CLAIMED, just pointing it out again.

Also im town, so if im lynched town goes into lylo which hurts town.

Is that really how it happened? No. Another misrep.

I have seen both quick hammer so it's not really something you can hang your hat on

we aren't talking about game theory.

We are talking reality. The sad fact is lots of townies quick hammer,

some

have a policy to always quick hammer on day 1

, and

others just think it's funny.

quick hammers aren't AI imo, but you are free to have a different opinion.

Hell I quick hammered once as town in a newbie game I think.

The first quote and bolded number 1 - I proved this true earlier by quoting from a thread in mafia discussion. Thus not anecdotal

Bonded number 2 - I can find an example of one if you really want me to

Bolded number 3 - I provided example of that earlier also

The anecdotal part I wasn’t even 100% sure at the time I did it.


There is plenty of evidence to suggest I’m right and it’s definitely not anecdotal. Where is your evidence?

Show me your proof that your belief is supported by others on site and not anecdotal.

I’ll wait.

retract my replacement

I’ll give you 12 hours to support your claims or admit you falsely accused me of being anecdotal and you were guilty of it.

(expired on 2018-12-05 07:45:02)

[Doughboy]

Also im town, so if im lynched town goes into lylo which hurts town.

If this is true you’ve clearly done more harm than I have.

and we deserve to lose. But I’m not falling for your wifom. Your actions support you are scum especially given there is a doctor in the game. Your posts are very clearly role fishing. If you are actually town you’re role fishing and trolling pushed me over the edge.

@nova. Please vote thespio. He is basically caught scum.

[Doughboy]

@over
@crusty
@numbers.

Please vote thespio

[Doughboy]

Thespio has at least 4 false accusations toward me. I’ve proven them all wrong.

That’s not town play. I don’t see how anyone can town read somebody who intentionally lies or misreps another player without any remorse or apologies.

[Doughboy]

you saying that quickhammers arent AI because you did it once.

Like I just quoted my entire post and you still lie? lol dude give it a rest.

[Doughboy]

here:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Quickhammer

This page was last modified on 14 March 2016, at 22:56.

I’m willing to bet in 2016 it was out dated.

I literally showed you a recent mafia discussion thread that supports my claim and not yours. I’m right. You’re wrong. Move on and drop it.

[Doughboy]

stay in this game. Help town win

That’s what I’m doing. I’m staying and trying this get town to lynch you. That’s how I help town win.

[Doughboy]

reply with your read or please replace out.

You/skitter scum.

Tracker guy/Crusty/numbers hard town.

Everyone else town by default.

Until proven otherwise I feel prett strongly about these reads and I will not consider lynching anyone outside you or skitter.

You have done the most harm, you’ve lied, you push votes with bad reasonings, and you’re trolling.

That’s where I’m at. Don’t like it? Move on. I’ll argue with you all day and night. That’s what I’m good at, that’s what i was trying to avoid but you Cleary want a fight so like rocky, I’ll bring the fight

[Doughboy]

Doughboy, your anti-town behavior is annoying, i would appreciate it if you would stop, i quoted you, if you think my quote is wrong quote me and quote what i was quoting and highlight what i cut out, or added.

Aaand im done, i will only reply to your reads, i hope everyone understands this spat is a waste of our little time, i hope we get crusty and numbers on here soon so we can question them.

I’m not being anti town. I’ve asked you to please stop. Now I need to find who runs thIs site.

[Doughboy]

sorry for the sake of the game it’s best if I stop discussion with you. It’s clear you just want to push my buttons. Besides I already answered that question. I can’t hand hold you anymore. You’re obviously a grown person who knows how that read

[Doughboy]

I don’t have to help you understand. You’re scum imo so I don’t need you to understand. Since you’re scum, I can poe your partner and thus everyone else.

[Doughboy]

i think this is a tvt argument

You sort of have the say that. He’s your partner

[Doughboy]

Stupid typo

[Doughboy]

It’s there. You can’t admit you see it because that means you’d have the admit you’re actually scum.

[Doughboy]

Stupid typo

Also, who did you heal last night?

Someone I now regret saving.

[Doughboy]

Not you. Skitter

[Doughboy]

It’s poe. That’s implied after you flip scum.

[Doughboy]

Yes.

[Doughboy]

I have no idea what you’re trying to say

[Doughboy]

I have no idea what you’re trying to say

Say you lynch me, I flip town, then what’s the plan?


Also if I had been the one to correct the tags on a quickhammer. Post on the site and ignore the game, and have my vote on a town pr. Would you say it makes me more or less scummy?

I honestly don’t think that will happen but I’ll be dead so my plan is to be mad at you and play another game.

[Doughboy]

Smh town is going to be lose because everyone is inactive.

[Doughboy]

I can’t get past thespio though. Given this setup has a doc, he was very clearly role fishing.

If it’s not him then idk who it would be. I’d need to analyze the entire game.

[Doughboy]

I mean m8 you did say doctor first.

Uh. You said it first.

Why the blatant lie?

Yours : 364
Mine : 370

Im done interacting with you at this point im sufficiently convinced you are just a poor player not scum.

And 292 is before both of those.

You lose.

You know we are in column c and you tried to put the doc.

At least the tracker can confirm that skitter is your buddy or not.

The fact thespio didn’t admit his mistake here and conver he actually mentioned doctor first and as a result had absolutely no reason to think I was claiming doctor is more than enough to realize he was clearly lying and role fishing.

He said I mentioned doctor first. I definitely did not.

[Doughboy]

where is everyone? smh

[Doughboy]

All 3 have logged on this morning yet didn’t post. :/

[Doughboy]

Well you need 4 people to lynch somebody else.

You have 3 I’m sure. You, nova, thespio.


You need one of the lurkers to join you.

[Doughboy]

Basically 23 hours until deadline

[Doughboy]

It’s not possible tho. I’m not voting anyone else.

[Doughboy]

Today, a no lynch is better than a mislynch actually.

[Doughboy]

we get a tracker result. your best bet is to get him on board because as far as I can tell, thespio scum slipped by role fishing. That is why I was so in tune to it when it was going on. He knows the setup. how you can ignore that is just beyond me which is why you have to be his partner. Nova, well I can't say what I think about him not seeing it.

we are stuck I guess.

[Doughboy]

we get a tracker result. your best bet is to get him on board because as far as I can tell, thespio scum slipped by role fishing. That is why I was so in tune to it when it was going on. He knows the setup. how you can ignore that is just beyond me which is why you have to be his partner. Nova, well I can't say what I think about him not seeing it.

we are stuck I guess.

No, a NL is bad. We’re in the same boat tomorrow if we lynch or not. Killing me is better! Then the ratio of scum to town is more reasonable. You have a better chance of catching town.

Then you better self vote or hope one of the lurkers votes with you

[Doughboy]

i mean you realize he offered to selfhammer, right?

i'll take "things that scum never say for $600, Alex

Saying and actually doing are two different things.

I’ll take “ scum pretending to be naive for $1000” Alex.

[Doughboy]

You’re wasting your time with me.

[Doughboy]

If you actually had reads you'd offer to lynch someone you found null. Stop being stubborn. You can't complain about how horrible town's play is and then make town go into MYLO because you can't let go of your pet read.

Town won’t go to mylo if we lynch who I want to lynch. You’re forcing town to go to mylo more than me. I found scum. Now I’m on step 2. Lynching scum.


Meanwhile you are trying to cost us the game and shading me in the process.

[Doughboy]

That’s not true. I’ll lynch skitter.

[Doughboy]

I town read everyone else. Not going to lynch a town read.

[Doughboy]

By what metric other than "Thespio is scum 100%"?? You're putting too much faith in your PoE here.

Dude scum slipped. That’s how I know he’s 100% scum. He revealed the setup to us all before it was known there was a doctor. He was doctor hunting for Pete’s sake.

Jesus are you blind or something?

[Doughboy]

Skitter is scum by association.

The best course of the game is to flip him. If he is somehow town. Then you poe scum to numbers/crumb cake

[Doughboy]

Doughboy, what are we doing here?

Waiting for you the be lynched.

[Doughboy]

Definition of anti town

Please tell me how trying to lynch scum is anti town

[Doughboy]

also doughboy is pretty much always town here. i think he's incredibly misguided but he's town

Let’s say you actually aren’t scum here. How am I the misguided one? We can confirm thespio slipped about the setup by asking about the doctor. That’s provable information.

[Doughboy]

Definition of anti town

Please tell me how trying to lynch scum is anti town

Dude you suck at this, you call for a NL and you can’t read more then one person, you take wverything personal. YOU ARE ANTITOWN at its finest. I’m leaving my vote here hoping to be extended quick hammered because I don’t want to play with this dunce.

Well this is a newbie game and I’m still technically a newbie so yeah I do suck at this, but you also scum slipped by revealing the setup. There is only one way you knew there was a doctor.

If you’re town you got really lucky. The odds to correctly guess a setup is not very good.

[Doughboy]

He can only get a hard guilty tho - cant get an inno if we nolynch

I also dont like that he dissapeared either

Idk ill check throughout the day and see whats happening

I checked you Skitter, I wanted to confirm the IC if they were to stay alive.
No result

No result?

That’s not possible

[Doughboy]

I told you I was done, I walked away and you claimed.

I was actually writing the post when you “walked away” so I didn’t see you walk away.

But that doesn’t excuse you are still scum

[Doughboy]

Doughboy needs to peek out of his tunnel and vote someone else.

No. The inactives need to show up and do something. I don’t need to vote somebody I’m town reading. That’s playing against my win condition

[Doughboy]

Doughboy needs to peek out of his tunnel and vote someone else.

No. The inactives need to show up and do something. I don’t need to vote somebody I’m town reading. That’s playing against my win condition

This isn’t true btw, you’re asking us to do this.

Voting town reads is absolutely playing against my win condition. I’m asking people to lynch confirmed scum. That’s different really. I know for a fact you are scum. Your role fishing and knowledge of doctor cofnfirmed it to me.

I don’t care what anyone else does anymore. I can only lead a horse to water, can’t make it drink.

[Doughboy]

Doughboy needs to peek out of his tunnel and vote someone else.

No. The inactives need to show up and do something. I don’t need to vote somebody I’m town reading. That’s playing against my win condition

i mean you realize you'er telling me to do this, right?

The difference is he’s caught scum, nobody else has evidence as strong as I do for him.

You don’t have a case for anyone else as good as my case. You don’t even have a good reason to town read him.

[Doughboy]

Don’t tell me what is and isn’t a tr

[Doughboy]

Overkill hid his activity. Says last login was 5 am my time. Obviously that’s false.

Did everyone post saying they don’t cc?

[Doughboy]

This game is so frustrating. Either we have a townies lurking or a townie role fishing

We’re fucked no matter what

[Doughboy]

This game is so frustrating. Either we have a townies lurking or a townie role fishing

We’re fucked no matter what

M8 I legit want roll fishing, and you are my m8 because we’re both town. Like I said when we had the doctor spat, I miss read the posts that were made in the 10 minutes between when I started and ended my post.

And when you claimed I mentioned doctor first when I did?

Yeah sorry m8. There was no possible way you saw me claim doctor. You were clearly projecting.

[Doughboy]

This game is so frustrating. Either we have a townies lurking or a townie role fishing

We’re fucked no matter what

Reason with me here doughboy, say I’m town, does that make skitter no longer a sr? And who would you lynch next? Humor me.

I’m dead tonight. Scum has no choice. So my reads won’t matter. That’s why I want to lynch who I want today. It’s bad enough some idiot claimed scum as town.

I am now in a situation where either town played towards scum win condition or scum slipped and is being town read.

Either situation is depressing

[Doughboy]

The funny thing is all this started because you wouldn’t listen to me about quick hammers. It’s funny how your stubbornness ultimately caused mine.

Y’all want me to switch but nobody is actually trying to convince me with reasons. Why are these other people scum?

Why is numbers scum?
Why is crusty bread scum?

The post by one has me fucked up btw.

I’m completely mind fucked with this entire game.

UNVOTE:

Until I can wrap my head around things.

[Doughboy]

[Doughboy]

VOTE: numbers

I’m going to take a shower. I feel dirty. If my scum pairing ends up being right and y’all were idiots, bad things are going to happen.

[Doughboy]

So if I’m wrong about my scum reads. Scum could be numbers. I’m now seriously paranoid about nova. I just learned a neat new trick for scum hunting and if accurate, his posts fit the bill.

I don’t know why I wasted my time arguing. This game was cursed the moment town claimed scum.

I honestly don’t know how town can sort of my two reads are right or not, but if you all think they are town, scum has to be in the other 3 and nova could be one of the 2. Flipping one of the other two is a good idea I guess.

[Doughboy]

That would require me to reveal my new thing, which I’m not even sure is reliable or not.

[Doughboy]

In case this game is locked when I wake up. Good bye and GR

[Doughboy]

Now we wait.

[Doughboy]

This should be interesting

[Doughboy]

VOTE: yellow

[Doughboy]

I targeted the tracker obviously.

[Doughboy]

Thats not great^ Skitter was killed, but meanwhile we have a doc who is alive. I dont know if anyone replaced crusty who is the only one who hasnt CC.

per the player list yellow replaced crusty. The mod would not end night without a replacement.

tracker should have tracked crusty's slot hopefully.

[Doughboy]

Thats not great^ Skitter was killed, but meanwhile we have a doc who is alive. I dont know if anyone replaced crusty who is the only one who hasnt CC.

per the player list yellow replaced crusty. The mod would not end night without a replacement.

tracker should have tracked crusty's slot hopefully.

Yesterday you said you had a new way you were reading people and notnova fit that read, care to explain?

also now that we are on better terms how do you read me? and ex-crusty slot?

not really because the new way didn't seem too reliable after all.

poe based on how yesterday happened, says last scum is crusty. Let's see what the tracker says and go from there.

[Doughboy]

this is the 2nd newbie game I have played where scum chose not to kill me as the outed PR. I am assuming it's yellow who didn't realize I am doc but it very well could be wifom.

[Doughboy]

UNVOTE:

consider my vote on him. no need to rush

[Doughboy]

Yall hammered without me? darn it

[Doughboy]

that IC thread was a great read. Would definitely read again

[Doughboy]

this wasn't my best game by far. That's what happens when I try to adjust my play style to avoid fighting, but I end up fighting anyway.

I basically can't push anyone at all or it ends in a fight :/

[Doughboy]

that IC thread was a great read. Would definitely read again

You thought i was evil

yes because I didn't see your play as townie. people are wrong

[Doughboy]

I need to learn to stop tunneling.
To be fair I’m going through a lot irl. I talked about it in my other game that just ended. Life sucks

[Doughboy]

Thank you

[Doughboy]

if most people disagree with you it might be a sign that you're wrong or should reconsider

Usually true but the other game that just finished I was right even though everyone disagreed. Hell a townie faked an inno he disagreed so much lol.

I’ll just stop pushing hard. Drop a vote and move on

[Doughboy]

if most people disagree with you it might be a sign that you're wrong or should reconsider

Usually true but the other game that just finished I was right even though everyone disagreed. Hell a townie faked an inno he disagreed so much lol.

I’ll just stop pushing hard. Drop a vote and move on

Hey no hard feelings btw, I was a have done PFD for so long im just used to pushing buttons to try to adjust peoples thinking, getting you mad is really a last resort, and you tunneled so hard i found it was detrimental, as soon as you flipped though (pride being your button imo) we won.

yeah no hard feelings. I am glad I was basically forced out of my tunnel

[Doughboy]

there is a game in the normal que that needs a couple more people. anyone bored, sign up lol

[Doughboy]

^ yeah, i know skitters in another game, but I think theres a mini that needs 3 more. You get to play with doughboy again, why wouldnt you want to play!

[Doughboy]

remind me when your mini is in signups, and maybe i'll play

[Doughboy]

Put me in as a pre in.

[Doughboy]

@alonzo. Was the game what you expected it to be?

[Doughboy]

I'm not sure why I replaced in.

To be a nice guy. Otherwise this game would have been stalled.

Thank you for taking one for the team.