[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Auro]

Leodanny (L-4)

: Persivul, Thor665, Auro

DVa (L-5)

: Egix96, NotNova

Auro (L-5)

: Dunnstral, Leodanny

Lamees (L-6)

: rb

rb (L-6)

: Lamees

NotNova (L-6)

: DVa

YyottaCat, Malakitty, Something_Smart

I wasn't aware that Not_Mafia did anything in games

Read the game, Newbie 1900.
There was a wagon on me and I got to L-1, Not_Mafia didn't lolhammer; instead he called my wagon "blatantly scumdriven", then voted Flavor Leaf who was on it. Flavor unvoted and then Not_Mafia unvoted FL, saying "he doesn't risk destabilizing the wagon", and we all showered him with strong townreads.

Then he just coasted along to the win.

[DVa]

Is there anyone here you were at risk of calling an easy locktown?

[Dunnstral]

Me, for my stunning insight and townie disposition

[Auro]

Nah, my expectations from the players I know in this list are pretty high, unlike Not_Mafia, so I wouldn't be locktowning them in the same way. I do think I can sort some of the familiar players here easily -- NotNova, Egix at least. Maybe you too

I did realize I tend to town players who townread me and whose posts I find myself agreeing with (like Ariane in 1900 and Cleric in 1899), so I am vulnerable to pockets.

[Auro]

Me, for my stunning insight and townie disposition

I'm pocketed, Dunnstral is locktown

[Persivul]

Dunnstral's post 25 I dislike a lot -- after two fluff posts, he places a "completely random vote" on *me*, when I already had two votes and my wagon was growing.

And that's scummy rather than towny because...?

[Persivul]

I just finished a game where I locktowned scum

Why would you ever locktown anyone (aside from certain claims in certain setups)?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Lamees

wow trying so hard to be funny and relaxed like town but obvious scum imo

im so good at this game tbh wow

You didn't like DVa's earlier posts enough to have a vote on her; why start a new wagon now and break momentum?

Do you not get similar vibes from Dunnstral?

VOTE: Yvotta

Same question as above - why'd you break the momentum on my wagon, shifting it to a slot that hadn't even posted till then? Are you towning me?

This is what he said earlier, too

[Auro]

I just finished a game where I locktowned scum

Why would you ever locktown anyone (aside from certain claims in certain setups)?

When someone plays so differently to their usual style? Maybe "locktown" is the wrong word, but almost all of us (FL, Performer, Me) towned him enough to never lynch him during the game.

[Auro]

Dunnstral's post 25 I dislike a lot -- after two fluff posts, he places a "completely random vote" on *me*, when I already had two votes and my wagon was growing.

And that's scummy rather than towny because...?

The phrasing, "completely random vote" when I was collecting votes and my wagon was growing quick, with no vote till then.

[Dunnstral]

Blame the RNGods, not me

[Auro]

So you're standing by that your vote was "completely" random and had nothing to do with the gamestate or growing wagon on me at the time? O.o

[Dunnstral]

gamestate or growing wagon on me at the time?

note: we're talking about page 1

[Dunnstral]

You'd be pushing me if I voted someone other than you too

[Auro]

Not for the vote, if you said "I'm joining the Auro wagon" and voted me, I would've been fine with it.

[Auro]

Even if you naked voted I'd prolly just think you're wagoning because there's a wagon -- specifically saying "completely random vote" to join my wagon seems off to me, sorry.

[Persivul]

The phrasing, "completely random vote" when I was collecting votes and my wagon was growing quick, with no vote till then.

1. You really think he's so inept at scum that he'd try to disguise a purposeful vote by outright announcing it as a completely random vote?

2. Two votes /= collecting votes and my wagon was growing quick. Why the hyperbole?

[Auro]

1. You really think he's so inept at scum that he'd try to disguise a purposeful vote by outright announcing it as a completely random vote?

2. Two votes /= collecting votes and my wagon was growing quick. Why the hyperbole?

Why does someone have to be inept for me to dislike something they did or said? Why would it be "inept" for Dunnstral to do that as scum?

Two votes on page 1 and I don't think it's a bad *page 1* conclusion to make that "Auro is getting wagoned".

[Auro]

"For X to do Y as scum would be inept; therefore he didn't do Y/isn't scummy for it" sounds like bad logic to me.

[Dunnstral]

Earlier you were asking a player why they were "making a new wagon and breaking momentum" instead of voting you

[Auro]

You'd be pushing me if I voted someone other than you too

There are other reasons beyond my dislike of that post because of which I'm fine just with a Dunnstral lunch today. Where did I "push you" specifically?

Earlier you were asking a player why they were "making a new wagon and breaking momentum" instead of voting you

Their vote was already on me and they broke that momentum, why is that an invalid question? Why does my asking that question imply I shouldn't dislike your post where you voted me?

[Something_Smart]

I don't think scum overthink THAT much, because self-consciousness at one point becomes obvious.
Your logic could be applied to any tell, I feel - "Scum would avoid tell X, therefore X is a buzzword and BS tell". Would you agree?

Any tell that can be consciously avoided, yes. For instance, forced reads and interactions are scumtells, but they're scumtells because the players who do them can't avoid sounding forced.

But in general, yes, you've keyed into my philosophy, which is that towntells are far more reliable than scumtells.

[Something_Smart]

I seem to recall liking NotNova although I can't remember why off the top of my head.

[Auro]

I'm not really understanding the townleans on NotNova.

[Something_Smart]

Well after checking it seems he only has three posts so I might have just been misremembering, but 76 does read as pretty genuine.