the worst Idea Mafia - Game Over!

[Chara]

hi everyone!
i'm disappointed. Cheeky managed to pick the most boring role combination possible. that's how this worked, right? an alignment and a role were picked (from different cards), and then that was your role.

[Chara]

also i probably won't read most of this unless someone points out salient bits to me.

[Chara]

<3

[Chara]

town traitor is a VT. i don't know who the members of my faction are. seeing as town is the uninformed majority, it means the role doesn't do anything. i don't know what Cheeky was expecting.

post streamer would have been fun. if you need a description of that i have it.
the other one was a friendly neighbour. considering how roles work i'm not sure how this would have combined with a non-town role, since Cheeky only got the one town alignment. possibly by combining it with post streamer's alignmemt.

Almost: i believe you. haha.

Carca,: hi Carcalilly, i skimmed your ISO. you're towny.

pedit: hello.

[Chara]

oh, and the traitor came from a mafia traitor card if that wasn't clear.

[Chara]

that's also wrong. the faction was called pirates and was a scum faction. the traitor role also came with a nightkill for that faction.
since that isn't wincon related, i assume i didn't retain the kill power because town doesn't have a factional.

pedit: i know, right? i could have won with that 24 hours in.

[Chara]

i don't know Cheeky that well. at this point you have as good of a guess as i do. possibly better as you've presumably read more of her posts.

[Chara]

You're in her slot. From what I've gathered, it seems to be for the lols
Even though shes a bit more serious than that from whatever I know about her

i know i'm in her slot. that doesn't mean i know her thought process.

BnL: i feel as though i've just said?
pirate traitor, post streamer, and town friendly neighbour.
post streamer's alignment was listed as vanilla.

[Chara]

let's not. i don't want to have to try yet. also no one anseered me about if anything important's happened.

[Chara]

i

did

read the flips and mod posts, you know. ;>

[Chara]

so it's that kind of game. joy.

[Chara]

why am i (maybe) town slimer?
all i've done is claim.

SS doesn't need to answer this right now.

[Chara]

Eragon, you should claim. if you wanted to make Vax claim first, you should have created the fake investigative result first!

(and it should be obvious why you need to claim. you're not allowed to tailor it.)

i wish i had context for which of these is scummier but. well. generally Eragon needs to claim here.

[Chara]

him outing his result would be claiming.

pedit: haha, really?
well, maybe i'll read both of your ISOs.

[Chara]

i like you.

[Chara]

i'm townreading both Vax and Eragon for that. in fact, it would take a lot for me to ever agree either of their lynches would be a good idea at this point.
so essentially i'm agreeing with Almost at the top of the page here.

[Chara]

Well that's GOOD. At least you won't 't try to lynch me. Now do I need to worry about you trying to shoot me at night?

not me specifically. my scumpartners might submit a kill on you regardless, but i don't believe i'm into this game enough to do so myself.

[Chara]

you may have been reacting to slimer's jester comment, actually. haha.

[Chara]

hey, i'm feeling bad about my complete lack of contribution this game. i'm not the best at reading Almost but i can at least sift out what is or is not AI for him.
and find some other reads besides Vax and eragon town.

[Chara]

VOTE: Shock Value

[Chara]

we only know the role, not the alignment.

[Chara]

we only know the role, not the alignment.

probably should have posted what a Double Lyncher was when i made this post, honestly.

it's just a role.
i'm voting Shock Value for play.

[Chara]

^^^still town.
not scum though. just being extremely lazy. and "scum by play" was a lie, it's more like scum by... bad mouthfeel.

[Chara]

Wow I didn't think it was possible for you to explain that with something that made even less sense...

it's a fun way of saying gut. but i like the Bob's Burgers thing much better.

i'm not actually good at reading Ari and he tends to read scum by being himself. and i buy that town Ari could discard an obviously good role, even if i don't agree with that.

but i don't have any good alternatives, just a small pile of townreads.

[Chara]

Guess who's back after another multi year hiatus. I recognise a couple names ;p

VOTE: chara

i'm so upset with myself for missing this series of posts.
fantastic.

[Chara]

UNVOTE:
i always scumread Ari and i'm often wrong about it. i think the townish posts outweight the scummish ones.

this would probably be easier if i read the entire game, but only quitters do that.

[Chara]

I mean I just spearheaded scums death but, k.

is this true?
not feeling an RC lynch either way.

i'm also townreading Eragon and Xtom.

[Chara]

an RC scumread would need to explain his slimer vote, the timing doesn't look like bussing to me.

[Chara]

right, this is that setup.

[Chara]

an RC scumread would need to explain his slimer vote, the timing doesn't look like bussing to me.

I mean slimmer being the only maf is a thing that can happen in this setup

yes, i was reminded of that.
regardless, i agree with you re: RC.

[Chara]

i'm not worrying about multiball until there's evidence of it in kills.
if there's a cult i feel like we may be screwed anyway, as was just said.
i'm townreading most of the recent discussion.

if anyone is townreading SS could they yell at me as to why?

pedit: hi Almost! thanks for towntelling.

[Chara]

evidence for SS not being Slimer's buddy is fine, i'm still operating under the assumption there's at least some kind of 'faction' until there's evidence to the contrary.

[Chara]

Actually, can someone with experience with A50 tell me if he always makes these weird tinfoil hat theory posts, especially in a theme game?

*raises hand*

[Chara]

You're in her slot. From what I've gathered, it seems to be for the lols
Even though shes a bit more serious than that from whatever I know about her

i know i'm in her slot. that doesn't mean i know her thought process.

BnL: i feel as though i've just said?
pirate traitor, post streamer, and town friendly neighbour.
post streamer's alignment was listed as vanilla.

Because I still don't understand how the alignment and role from the same card would have been discarded @xtoxm.

because the card you took neither the alignment nor the role from is what was discarded. what's confusing, yours was like thay too wasn't it?

[Chara]

Eh I want to scumread Xtoxm based on VCA but I'm townreading his play here

VCA is pretty trash in likely multiball GIM anyway

Btw I voted A50 over Carca because his posts are painful to read

Although there may be something I'm missing out

i'm not worrying about multiball until there's evidence of it in kills.
if there's a cult i feel like we may be screwed anyway, as was just said.
i'm townreading most of the recent discussion.

if anyone is townreading SS could they yell at me as to why?

pedit: hi Almost! thanks for towntelling.

Soulreading now. I don't really have a good reason to townread SS, I just believe him when he said he would pick town given the chance, and I generally like his posts, not even in the "I think this is town" way but in the "It pleases me reading this" way.

Maybe I should put him out of my town pool, I just don't know.

VOTE: BnL
lots of "buts", lots of ways out of his stances. scum does this to seem like unsure town and to pretend to care.

not to mention he has two scumreads and i'm one of them, so why does he react to my prodding about SS with "maybe i shouldn't be townreading him after all"?

[Chara]

When you receive your Role PMs, you must select an alignment and role from 2/3 of the cards. You may not select both from the same card. The card you do not take either from will be discarded, and will show up in the playerlist as well as a special post I will make when the setup is finalized. Your discard will have your name connected to it.

was your discard one of the things you picked?

[Chara]

Carca gets a small gut-town read, it seems reasonable based on her personality.

[Chara]

Yeah but the discarded role is from the same card. I assume it is vanilla/ post streamer that was discarded. But idk there are other similar discards.

My alignments we're Town Town SK so it wasn't the same I guess.

i'm still not getting where your confusion lies. the discarded role is supposed to be from the same card as the discarded alignment.

[Chara]

Cheeky took Traitor from one card, and Town from another. thus Post Streamer was discarded because nothing was taken from it.

[Chara]

As for whether A50 is regularly tinfoily, well yes. But I don't thjnk to this degree. It's more like he has a narrative to push here than something to figure out. That's the difference.

what's the tinfoily narrative he's pushing?

[Chara]

Because a lot of my townreads are very weak and I am not very confident in them, and I feel I'm bound to be wrong somewhere. Also, it's just answering your question, and I don't ignore questions from people I don't townread, in fact you just did didn't you?

i don't really like that you've given me a "you did this too, see" when the problem isn't that you answered my question, it's that you answered it and then immediately pulled back on your own opinion and said you might be wrong.

[Chara]

In fact, I am going to have to remake my townblock because both A50 and Chara are have done things on this page I consider towny, which means I feel I'm letting people into my townblock too easily.

Come to think of it I have really been only picking up things I consider town and hardly gotten any scumpings this game.

i suppose this further post is evidence you

may

have the same problem i have of townreading too many players, which would not have too much utility as scum. especially the reconsideration on Almost when he's still a popular vote.

speaking of that, Xtoxm?

[Chara]

i meant to ask for an answer on why Xtoxm has decided to vote Almost instead of BnL, but BnL's answer was good too.

[Chara]

As for whether A50 is regularly tinfoily, well yes. But I don't thjnk to this degree. It's more like he has a narrative to push here than something to figure out. That's the difference.

what's the tinfoily narrative he's pushing?

Did I not answer this? Whoops.

It's kinda twofold.
The insistance on Cult just seems really out of place.
And his pleas for being town ring as disingenuous to me as well.

but... Almost doesn't think there's a cult at all.

[Chara]

VOTE: A50

I'm set on this today tbh.

well, one of your twofold points is you misunderstanding Almost's argument against SS's suggestion of a cut as an "insistence on cult" somehow, so are you still set on it?

[Chara]

NicoRobin making a suboptimal townplay in interest of not picking a role she hates really doesn't surprise me at all.

[Chara]

VOTE: SS

[Chara]

hi Kokichi. Almost is town, i'm not being listened to about it. only skimmed pages since my last post.

[Chara]

i had RC as town for something, i should check that.

[Chara]

because i know him. and, unlike you, i've actually seen his scumgame, as opposed to making guesses about how he might handle his claim as scum. ;>
you said it in 1929. his claim does him no favours. sure, for scum Almost claiming honestly may help him avoid the rolecop, but Almost wouldn't do that here. it doesn't help him avoid the

lynch

even a little bit, in fact it's more actively suspicious.it's also about the most boring route he could take as something. it's something i'd want to do, really, because i would be nervous about being copped. Almost? not really.
there's also the emotional aspect that i don't want to go into, suffice it to say he's fitting histown self here. it's a bit harder to tell because the game as a whole is just so disengaged.

not to mention, Nico picking a subpar role isn't out of character either.

[Chara]

and additionally: he doesn't like his role, he isn't fired up about the game. he isn't even voting anyone in spite of being the leading wagon. this is bored town Almost.
he won't care if he gets lynched (especially for the reasons presented, which have been bad), so i'll care for him. we have 4 days, let's hit scum.
i'm still suspicious of SS, but if BnL and Almost both say he's town i'm listening to that. if they have the time i'd appreciate them double-checking just to be sure, because his play in general is giving me alarm bells about his stances being easily-defensible and safe.

[Chara]

You flipped Dolphin nut that doesn't give us an alignment.

Lame. I thought I wasnt going to gave to do much

i hope you do, i think your slot's town and would appreciate the help. preferably before we're scrambling at day's end.

and that isn't me blaming anybody, i've obviously been a healthy contributor considering how little i've helped.

[Chara]

Di you not think he would know when to claim tk look towny?

Also, starting out with "alright, lynch me already" when not actually under pressure is scummy. JS.

not for him. the frustration looks real enough. why is it scummy?

[Chara]

how would Eragon action-jamming a willing BnL confirm him as town?

[Chara]

that's what i mean, confirming his role doesn't give much extra information.
BnL isn't acting like scum unless he's scum with Almost, so i don't really want him lynched either.
VOTE: RCEnigma

[Chara]

wait, that isn't right. it was SS who i thought may be partners with Almost if i'm wrong there, not BnL. BnL's timing looks less like partners to me.

[Chara]

Oh wait actually.

Xtoxm I really hope you checked Chara, because if she is a traitor she can't be scum that we need eliminated.

UNVOTE:

i assume you found that my claim is true?

[Chara]

no, you would have had to find something else since it's Xtoxm who has the rolecop. right.

[Chara]

Why would she be clear if we confirmed her as traitor?

i wouldn't be, but traitors can't win by themselves. i think that was the point.

[Chara]

i initially thought SS's unvote on Almost was something worth looking into, but i don't know if i really get the sense he would have felt compelled to bus to the point that he would take the way out of that bus that my defense offered.
so more likely he was just listening to me.

[Chara]

I checked BnL. And got the result.

I do wonder if we've deleted the mafia team, more than 2 feels unlikely from random and a lot of mafia roles were discarded as well.

do we know the ratio of town/scum/3p role PMs? i know they weren't all one of each.

[Chara]

sooo chara... about almost being town?

i was wrong. it happens. you can safely ignore me the next time i argue about it.

[Chara]

i didn't realize how important it would be to confirm i'm traitor, either. but i didn't really expect Almost to flip scum, so i didn't think it would be so immediately relevant.

[Chara]

Do we consider no lynch and I try to get a result on chara? Or is that a terrible idea

I feel like I just die in that scenario, but we could try

no-lynching doesn't seem like a good idea, anyway. so far we only have one mislynch, i don't see why the risk of another would be so great we nl instead of trying to lynch scum.
i say that knowing there's a good reason to want to lynch me, but still.

[Chara]

ok, looking at the list again there are less people left than i thought. so i do see the argument for nl.
it's possible Almost was the last of his team, but i find it unlikely. he was playing like his team could still win after his death.

[Chara]

Chara and Xtoxm both don't stand out in any way in my memory and thus are light scumreads for me. Like theyre trying to blend in.

how have the others stood out to you?
why didn't my defense of the mafia godfather stand out?

[Chara]

I mean as scum I've now bussed a partner that wasn't going to be the Lynch and hammered my other partner with barely any time left to deadline when he easily could have lived through the night.

I will say I definitely would have chosen 3p if the alignment wasn't a part of the role. SK bulletproof dolphin would have been sick.

at this point you being scum would just be silly. there was no reason to bus Almost there with me defending him.
then again, BnL and SS are the only ones i remember listening to me, and the former is obviously town while the latter, i'm townreading.
still, you're 3p or town based on a pretty surface-level look at your play.

[Chara]

i'd vote Kokichi or Shock, basically. one's certainly better than the other.
i do find it unlikely that Carca would pick scum, but that's hearsay. i don't know her too well.

[Chara]

right, and Limbo is over now, so i can explain something. to make a short story shorter, i let Almost get mislynched in Limbo because i wasn't confident in my townread. that lead me to double-down on my townread here and ignore the paranoia. luckily enough of you didn't listen, but that's basically why it happened.
well, that and reading Almost is often difficult for me and i keep tricking myself into thinking "i

must

have it this time". haha.

[Chara]

whoops, sorry guys.

must not start townreading Ari just because he said i was town.

[Chara]

post every single day so i don't forget and get forced replaced, got it.

who had the strong reasoning for Carcalilly town? i want to hear about that.

[Chara]

post every single day so i don't forget and get forced replaced, got it.

who had the strong reasoning for Carcalilly town? i want to hear about that.

(and thank you, Gamma, for waiving the 3 prod rule for me this time. sorry about that, it won't happen again.)

[Chara]

if you do that you'll be the one i'm voting! why not Kokichi?

[Chara]

between Ari and Xtoxm i'd have to pick the former to vote. i've never had cause to scumread him. and Ari's burst of goodposting comes at a time where scum would want to double down, too.

i like Kokichi more, though. the problem is Carca's meta apparently being pretty open and shut, so i'd really like input from someone who does have that meta.

[Chara]

*to scumread Xtoxm

[Chara]

i guess there's something to be said for Ari and Aero's town discard.. i seem to remember both of them preferring town. though i've seen Ari put up a valiant scum fight before. not much experience with Aero on the same front.
so i guess i'll just discount it.

Ari: SS's ISO had me suspecting him, too, but for whatever reason i decided he was town. i think it was the unvote on Almost, or rather the timing thereof? a hypothetical scum SS would have a better time just bussing, there were PRs to attract the kill so towny-scum SS could survive. that and his role is apparently confirmed, not that role is AI here.
so i guess town or 3p is a fine guess. not something to pursue today when there's probably scum around and when i feel okay about him.
Kokichi's just been pretty underwhelming and it doesn't feel like simple disinterest.

[Chara]

VOTE: Chara
With the info I have, I'm pretty sure it's this or Shock Value/Ari.

Not gonna claim yet, but Xtoxm knows what I am and he should understand what I'm doing.

going back to this.
should i take this as "if Chara isn't scum, Ari probably is"?

[Chara]

you did replace in for her, but i still want your meta if it includes links.

[Chara]

i'm going to need someone i townread to corroborate that, or links.
and she open-claimed a role that's public anyway.

[Chara]

wait.
i... need to process this. much more importantly, are you a Disgaea fan, Ari?

[Chara]

should i take this as "if Chara isn't scum, Ari probably is"?

I don't know.

I think there's a good chance Ari is scum, but for ~reasons~ I don't want to lynch him today.

Also I had reasoning for Carcalilly town. She seemed to think that her alignment would also be revealed when she dolphin-flipped.

they'd better be good reasons.

do you think she could fake it?

[Chara]

yes!
i recently received the remake on ps4. making it our third copy. good times.

[Chara]

do you think she could fake it?

No clue. All I know is, most people couldn't fake it.

i need to decide which is wrong, the Carca townread or the Kokichi scumread. i'm leaning toward the former for truth.
i'll leave it for now then.

who do want to lynch if not the player you think has a good chance of being scum?

[Chara]

I'm town. Glad we had this talk

great, but you still haven't done anything readable, so please do that.

[Chara]

decided i don't want to lynch Ari. or RC, really. Kokichi hasn't done anything but Carca was townish. i'm still wary of that.

Xtoxm i've been putting as town based on his PR.

[Chara]

please stop making me want to vote you.

[Chara]

Ugh sorry I don't freaking know what to do here.

VOTE: RCE This is mechanical. Xtoxm checks Chara and can essentially get a hard inno or guilty.

i want to do Ari instead.
scum RC doesn't just shrug and vote himself when the game is so apathetic that town would easily just pile on.

[Chara]

and vote who, Xtoxm? that's a bad idea mechanically for two different reasons.

[Chara]

1.) The game is at a standstill, so staying or being lynched isn't a big deal to me either way.
2.) I'm suspected, this resolves me and I don't have much utility outside of...well not dying in the night
3.) I've played my part in lynching what I believe to be all members of the scum team and I'm less motivated to 3p hunt.

i still don't very much want to lynch this.

[Chara]

but i doubt RC's a jester.

[Chara]

if SS is scum i've decided to blame Xtoxm and BnL. that's fine, isn't it.
VOTE: RCEnigma

[Chara]

i'm not surprised. i'm still hoping SS's reason for not just lynching Ari there was actually good.

[Chara]

game's still going, surprisingly. reports?

[Chara]

my traitor role PM doesn't say if i would be endgamed on my faction all being dead. but hopefully the mod answers yes so i can be conftown. :>
if i'd been a faction with a nightkill, however, i would have had it.

SS, why would we win if that were the case? game is still going so there's still scum here.

[Chara]

are you scum?

[Chara]

Cool thanks

Vengestump is essentially vengeful, with the irrelevant difference that I treestump my target. The thing is, thanks to Ari's double-lyncher power, if I get lynched with Ari on my wagon, I get TWO vengekills. So all we need is one confirmed town to win, and it looks like that's Chara.

oh. yay!
okay, that's a very good reason not to lynch Ari.

[Chara]

wait, before we do this.

Gamma, if a town traitor was the only remaining player alive, would they be endgamed because all the rest of town aredead? or does town win there?

[Chara]

great, okay. so this works just fine.
it does make me wonder why the scum didn't kill Xtoxm. or me.

[Chara]

ah, so it was you.
VOTE: Something_Smart

[Chara]

it looks like we just got kicked out, so sure.

love the flavour, Gamma. :>
and yay town! i didn't contribute to this win at all and i'm okay with that.

[Chara]

Secretly Soul Nomad & the World Eaters is my fav game of all time but it felt a bit deraily to go into the deep dark depths if Nippon Ichi

great game. :>

[Chara]

Almost: don't feel bad when i defend you when you're scum.
it's the way of the world.

[Chara]

was my favourite post in the game, so no you shouldn't.