Newbie 1907 - game over!!

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This is my second game of forum mafia. My first was with my university's mafia society.
my avatar would be an axolotl if i can find a picture that fits the size limit

Let's start a wagon

VOTE: saad

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so you don't want to hop on a wagon?

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VOTE: YyottaCat
I hope you're having fun being lynched.

From everyone's entrances so far, I wouldn't have expected you to be the one worrying about pressuring people early.

Could you please explain the thought process behind this post?

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no not the thought process behind 22

The thought process behind 8

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im kind of in the middle of engaging scantius with the purpose of answering those exact questions

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but yes, that is the line of thinking.

There is inconsistency. Scantius' opening post is clearly designed to maximize the pressure he can exert with his RVS vote, but his later posts suggest that he doesn't believe exerting pressure on people at the start is an effective/good tactic.

The question is then,

Is town!scantius not being genuine when he makes his initial post, and instead just trying to conform to what he believes RVS should look like in order to fit in?
Or did scum!scantius just take his first opportunity to throw shade at somebody and derail a concerted town action at the start?

could go either way. my gut says town, but I want an explanation about 8

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saad will either show up or not

VOTE: scantius
come back and answer, friend <3

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@FC what do you think about scantius?

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Scantius, let's change the subject.

You've gotten to engage with numerous players as a result of being scum read.

Have you made any reads as a result?

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@yyotta you just spelled out distraction in your posts. i don't understand the point you're trying to make, and I'd love for you to explain it because right now my best guess is that you're trollin

@scantius can you tell me why you think DE and GL are town?

VOTE: dongempire
i think scantius is town

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gutreads
DE/GL are either strong town or active scum.

I'm sorry to keep pestering you, but can you please go a little further than this?

"I believe that DE is either strong town or active scum because..."

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yeah i get that the reads are gut reads, but you aren't gut reading them as active scum or strong town. so what makes you think that?

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Mate, I know it must have been a little rough being scum read right away, but it feels like since then you've become more reserved in how you're answering questions. I think you're town, and we're going to need to work together and i'm trying to get you to be a little more free flowing with your comments. never know what diamond you might unearth, or what little comment inspires a thought process in someone else that leads to them solving the game

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that's good. i like that. keep explaining your thought process at that level and this game should go great.

I agree with you on GL. I think he's projecting town, and I respect his game enough that I'm wary of being mislead.

What about DE, though? He has two posts, so I'm not sure it's fair to call him active anything.

As FC pointed out, he agreed with GL when scum reading you, but did not move his vote from GL (an rvs vote) to you. Do you think that's alignment indicative? Do you think he could be scum trying to blend in with what the majority of town are saying?

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No; scum would most likely bandwagon in this case.

Interesting. I'm going to think about whether I agree with this.

On another note, I'm going to push hard to lynch yyotta at end of day if her play is consistent.

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I didnt shade him
Reread my post please and explain what you got from that

Just sayin, I read your 39 and took from it that you were scum reading scantius. Since you weren't scum reading him, what conclusions about scantius did you draw from the analysis you did in 39?

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On another note, I'm going to push hard to lynch yyotta at end of day if her play is consistent.

That's interesting. Why? So far Yyotta's play is more or less flipped from our last game with her, and is more in line with what I read of her play in other games where she was town. Do you think scum!Yyotta learned from newbie 1905 and is being overly active in response to being lynched for lurking? Are there specific pieces of Yyotta's ISO that strike you as scummy?

You say that yyotta's play is flipped from our last game. If you mean that in that game she was not posting at all and in this game she is posting more than nothing, then I agree.

But the content coming from Yyotta's posts is disconnected from the game - Her initial scum read of scantius makes assertions that are not backed up in the thread, etc.

Other content from her this game seems down right trolly. I'm not saying I can read the slot. I'm saying she's playing a very anti-town game, and I think it would be pro town to remove the slot from the game well before lylo. Obviously, if we have a super scummy candidate at the end of the day I would rather lynch that. Absent that I'll be pushing for a policy lynch.

That said, I don't want to get bogged down in a discussion of Yyotta until a) she starts contributing in a meaningful way or b) the deadline is closer.

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Where is the inconsistency?

>Have interaction with Scantius that raises concerns about his alignment
>Explain my thought process in the middle of engaging/evaluating him because I'm asked to
>Continue engaging with scantius and evaluate him as town
>try to rebuild relationship strained by early engagement

if i were writing a guide on how to play town, this would be the gist of my advice

@dong With respect, I believe you have misunderstood my interaction with Scantius. I laid out how I thought Scantius' posts about early pressure were inconsistent, and that line of reasoning led me to asking him about his RVS post. I didn't assert that his RVS vote had an ulterior motive. I simply said it suggested a thought process that was inconsistent with his later postings.

As to not making up my mind about his alignment?
>Initially my gut said he was town (this is not a strong read, my gut isn't known for accuracy. I was still evaluating him.) After continuing to interact with scantius my read became more firm and I said I thought he was town. This is how forming reads works!

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i didnt do an analysis on 39????
I think this is what you get wrong, that every post must have a secret and underlying meaning, and an ulterior motive. I didnt have one, all i did was think on what i was given and ask a question. post 8 did neither.

I have a hard time believing that 39 wasn't you positioning yourself to scumread scantius.

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I do want to ask URAP2 though, do you have mafia experience outside of this site?

Yes, I do. You can just take me as I am, though.

Welcome, Sheep!

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golly, if everyone who scum read me was voting me I'd be lynched.

but I'm at 2 votes.

I wonder what that's about!

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URAP2; the Doge sums it up well in #104. My current votes are on either you or Yyotta, but it might change if something else draws more of my attention

Since you were in the game, I think you should consider my interaction with cheeky in 1905 towards the end of day 1.

We tunneled one another, and then turned on a dime and started working together.

Now consider that next to my interaction with stantius

I think you'll find them consistent.



Actually, I think 1905 would be a great read for anyone pushing my lynch. I replace in around page 20, and it's a spicy game.

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as for my reads; i think at most only one out of FC and URAP2 are scum from voting patterns and at most only one from Scan, GL and yyotta are scum

unvote: FC

Vote: yyotta

Explain.

seems pretty self explanitory to me. I said i thought at most one of you two are mafia then changed my vote. I clearly think you are more dodgy than fc.

Also sheep, what does the whole [name]{number} thing mean?

did scum!elements forget his own reads?

did you, elememts?

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as for my reads; i think at most only one out of FC and URAP2 are scum from voting patterns and at most only one from Scan, GL and yyotta are scum

unvote: FC

Vote: yyotta

Explain.

seems pretty self explanitory to me. I said i thought at most one of you two are mafia then changed my vote. I clearly think you are more dodgy than fc.

Also sheep, what does the whole [name]{number} thing mean?

did scum!elements forget his own reads?

did you, elememts?

I was barely awake when i posted this. Let me elaborate.

In the first post,

Elements states that he thinks there is one scum between me and FC.

In the second post, Elements states that he unvoted fc and voted for yyotta because he thinks yyotta is scummier than fc,

and as he stated before he thinks one of them is scum.

but it was me and fc he had paired up, not fc and yyotta.

The most charitable explanation is that town!elements naked voted yyotta on impulse, or as a pressure vote, or for whatever reason and then made up a false narrative for why that he thought would sound reasonable.

The other explanation is that scum!elements had to make up an explanation for his vote on yyotta and simply slipped.


And I know people are going to say, "Town screws up little details all the time!" That's true. town does incorrectly remember game events, say one name when they mean another, and make a host of other errors that leads to them being incorrectly scumread. I don't think that's what we have here. This wasn't an incorrect detail. Elements' entire narrative for why he voted for yyotta is wrong. His vote on yyotta came just 40 minutes after he paired people up (1 in 2 of us and 1 in 3 of us), so it's unlikely he had forgotten his pairings by then. There must have been a reason why town!elements voted yyotta. Why, then, would town!elements lie about what that reason was when asked later?

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VOTE: elements

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things about yyotta

I agree. I was frustrated with yyotta, but those 3 posts of hers after I promoted a policy lynch are actually pretty townie.

in addition, i think your and (maybe) GL's reaction were very townie

yours def, but I'm not sure that GL was actually responding to my push on yyotta when he asked my experience level.

yyotta's reaction, posting actual meaningful stuff, was townie

dongempire's response, "I can't even believe someone would say something so insane!" (paraphrased) seemed over the top, but I think it could have come from either alignment.

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town circle
scantius, fc, gl

town lean
yyotta, urist

null
sheep

scum lean
dongempire, elements,

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are you trying to convince me that I'm scum? that's not going to work..

If you want to convince me that my thought process is wrong so that we can work, I'll respond better to a less hostile tone.

If you want to convince others that I'm scum, then address them or ask me questions that you think will help bolster your case.

advice is good regardless of your alignment ;P

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As i just said, stop sitting on the fence already. Its page 7, time for more concrete reads. And i am the guy you are scumreading, why are you holding back? Im saying this as an advice, irrelevant to the game at hand, so take it to heart. Dont hold back no matter which faction you are if you believe someone is scum. This is a game, no one gets offended by getting scumread.

I don't think I'm fence sitting at all. I think my positions are quite clear and have been from the start. I think what you're reading as "holding back" is actually just me not being hostile. Regardless of your alignment, u r a person, 2. I can call you scum and still engage you with measured tone of voice.

That said, maybe I am fence sitting because this level of tunneling and aggression ("every post you make is bad and is obv!scum omg!) comes far more often from town than scum in my experience. game might be harder than i thought

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@Yyotta nice to see you interacting with us more this time around. How do you currently feel about URAP2 and Scantius (St)?

Scantius is leaning towards scum for me, URAP2 is town

unvote: FC

Vote: yyotta

Explain.

UNVOTE Yyotta

Nice fake there.
Don't think anyone is going to miss the colon is missing?
Well, you're wrong.

Having played a game with yyotta, I think this is a townie look for her. I get it, she doesn't make it easy to get a read, but this is townie enough that I don't want to policy lynch her

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And if Elements is indeed scum, his red flip will basically conf!town yyotta because there is no way two scum mess up such a simple interaction as "explain why you voted me" and in the case of scum!elements, it was exactly that which exposed him.

p.edit. Elements, your response doesn't make sense. You were responding to yyotta, and quoting your vote on yyotta. There were a number of indicators outside of your own memory that should have informed you that your vote was on yyotta and not on me.

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P-edit: Okay, i can understand that. However, metareading is one thing i absolutely hate. I understand you townread her based on your experience, yet i dont have a previously played game with her, and what i see is a random number generator popping out randomized quotes.

I can respect disliking using meta, and I am quite sympathetic to your experience trying to read yyotta

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I don't think I'm fence sitting at all. .
That said, maybe I am fence sitting

I thought you'd enjoy that

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@elements Would you mind talking about your conclusion that only one in {yyotta, GL, Scantius} is scum?

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Travelling ATM. Phone posting so nothing big from me tonight. FC, I'm assuming that you've figured out what I was talking about with elements by now. Can you give your thoughts on that whole thing now that you understand it.

Also you have as your only scumread because my interaction early with stantius looks like an elaborate method of pocketing him and this bit with questioning elements. Is that a fair representation of your read? Does your understanding of elements' error change this?


Here's where I am at this point. There have been changes

Town circle {GL, stantius}
Town lean {yyotta, dong, urist}

2 scum in {elements, sheep, FC}

And I think the last town in those three is elements because I liked his response to my pointing out his error (I know you didn't like it, GL. I like it enough to be uncertain)

If I'm getting snookered it's by urist

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I dunno where I want my vote but I'm dead tired so I'll figure it out tomorrow VOTE: unvote

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Actually I think I read his response poorly. Will explain if anyone asks/cares

VOTE: elements

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@fc
I don't really understand your confusion with regards to elements. You've seemed very reasonable last game and this game, and it doesn't really seem scummy to deny the slip because it's like denying that the sky is blue? I saw it, elements admitted to making the mistake and guilty lion saw it, so it happened. The question is how alignment indicative it is.

Here's one more go at explaining it.
>Elements makes 2 groups of players, saying he believes there is one scum in each group.
>He votes yyotta.
>He explains his vote by referring to and contradicting the first post
>Implying that he either didn't have his story straight or didn't know who he was voting for

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>Elements makes 2 groups of players, saying he believes there is one scum in each group.

I said at

most

one scum in each group. This doesn't mean I've completely disregarded everyone else as possible scum, that would be stupid. It is entirely plausible that none of them are scum.

Yes, I should have been more precise when representing your position, though it doesn't substantially change the point of the post.

@urap2 other then mmy mistake with the yyotta vote etc why do you scum read me?

My read on you send entirely from that error and your explanation. Nothing else in your iso really sticks out to me as particularly alignment indicative one way or the other.

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If he's willing to be semi-wreckless and show mistakes, it tells me that they probably don't have much to hide, barring wifom, ofcourse.

I don't agree with this but it is consistent with urist philosophy last game (town game)
Low key town points

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My emphasis added. I had not realized before that Elements explicitly confused his scum sets of {FC, URAP2} and {Scantius, GL, Yyotta} to form {FC, Yyotta} and {???}. I'll have to think more about this and do a re-read of Elements in light of that.

I'm glad that we're back on the same page and I am looking forward to your re-read. =)

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Also if I get nightkilled, expect (Not posting any more information in fear of the scum team using it as a bait)

I'm really enjoying your posts, Yyotta. I'm not sure what you're doing, but I'm enjoying it.

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@Nauci welcome, and glad to have you. I was town reading scantius, so im looking forward to what you've got for us.

@urist

Imagine if I'd called you out for "not acting congruently with your reads" because you initially town-read me (correctly). If your reads can change, so can mine. Not to mention my initial read was half-serious/5 pages ago.

Since your reads have changed, could you please give your current reads?

@FC Reminder that I asked for your re-read on elements. I don't want it to get lost.

@GL I usually have too many town reads but right now I've got too many scum reads, and yyotta is really low on my list of people to lynch. Can we push Urist instead? He's in the sweet spot of the venn diagram of our scum reads

You had some good insights into urist, though this one in particular is NAI, I think, after watching yyotta/urist interact in 1905. Maybe check that out before trying to link their alignments.

The interactions between PvtUrist and Yyotta look like scum-scum to me as well. PvtUrist scumreading Yyotta but asking really tepid/safe questions towards them, Yyotta hasn't commented on Pvt or engaged with him in any significant fashion at all.

One bit from Urist that has stuck out to me that I would like to add to your contribution is

also yes, the deadline is going to be around midnight on the 28th-29th, if I'm looking at it correctly. But we should make an effort to rally around at least one lynch and get a claim a couple days prior to that.

please everyone tell us if you're especially going to be limited during the holidays so we can adapt. I'll be around throughout

I'll be around.

RIP this game to the holidays.

I don't think that the game was dead in the 48+ hours between these two posts by Urist. Elements questioned yyotta, Foodcoats outlined his change in thinking on elements/me, and yyotta and I had a few posts each. Rather than be around (and yeah, holidays, so i don't hold this against urist) or comment on what happened in his absence, urist posts "RIP this game" for what purpose? an attempt to discourage town and build lethargy? That might be too harsh a reading, but I think this comes from scum perspective more often than a town perspective.
VOTE: pvturist

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I would also be happy to revist dongempire.

I was town reading him for a hot minute, but that has withered because he has been active lurking since the pressure came off of him

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This post reeks. Sorry urist, but rolling mafia, its not for you. And making flavorless anti analysis', thats not for me. But do not worry, a trip to flavoredanalysisville is surely coming.
I dont know who i am voting right now, but UNVOTE:

Would you please explain your reasoning here? I'm primarily interested in how this post didn't lead to a vote for urist.

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oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. I can't wait to see what you've got. =)

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@Urist Why aren't you voting anyone?

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BTW, I didn't miss your post, DE. I'm just digesting it. I'm not sure how to read you.

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@DE I don't like asking about reads on myself. I think it lacks style. But in this instance your read progression on me might be really telling.

Can you talk about how your read on me has evolved over the course of this game, and why?

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1: haven't caught up yet

It would be neat if you could catch up sooner rather than later, it being close to eod and all. It would be useful to have your opinions on things and stuff. =)

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lynch fc and nauci and game ends

no one else makes sense

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VOTE: nauci

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VOTE: foodcoats

actually this first

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elements put pvturist to l-1. in a world where they are scum partners, i think it is unlikely he does this

you clearly aren't urist's partner.

gl i read as town, and he was also on the wagon and made urist lynch sound inevitable when urist was l-1

yyotta hammered urist

that leaves nauci and foodcoats

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the you in the second line is dong

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where's the lie tho, amirite?

i think this is gg town wins

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okay, but in this specific game, who is bussing urist?

yyotta: I don't think yyotta thinks her best shot to win is hammering her partner there. do you?

dong: this would be one heck of a bus

elements: scum!elements would have already scum slippedi by this point in the game. It doesn't make sense to me that he would think his best course of action is to bus his partner here. urist was in no way inevitable when he put him to l-1

gl: gl gets the least credit for being on the wagon, but he s definitely not today's lynch. reevaluate if he is still alive in final 3

who, in this specific game is bussing? i dont see it

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i mean the analysis part of my vca is not ignoring in game content. it's based on it.

I think maybe you are dodging my question?

Is there an error in my analysis? If so, who do you think I'm wrong about and why?

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if elements is scum, then his messing up his reads was a scum slip. there was a lot of discussion on this, so I think you should probably know about it?

I dismiss guilty lion for today even though he gets the least credit because I town read him. He's played a really townie game all game, he made a strong case against urist when there was no pressure on him, he was quick to jump on the wagon, he did nothing to avert it. he's very likely town.

i didn't do analysis on myself. why don't you look at my interaction/vote on that slot and tell me if you think it looks scummy

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oh i missed one

I don't think the urist wagon was inevitable when it was at l-2 with over a day left on the deadline. For instance, if elements had instead voted for me, we would have had two l-2 wagons and then who is to say what would have happened?

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or maybe not l-2 on my wagon, im not 100% sure on the votes but we had time and l-2 is a long way from a lynch

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Sorry it was Dong that elements could have put at l-2 along with urist. not me. point still stands

vote count 1.18

foodcoats

(0)

L-5

:

YyottaCat

(1)

L-4

: Elements

Elements

(0)

L-5

:

Nauci

(0)

L-5

:

u r a person 2

(1)

L-4

: sheepsaysmeep

PvtUrist

(3)

L-2

: u r a person 2, GuiltyLion, Dongempire

sheepsaysmeep

(0)

L-5

:

Dongempire

(2)

L-3

: foodcoats, YyottaCat

GuiltyLion

(0)

L-5

:

not voting

: Nauci, PvtUrist

This phase will end in (expired on 2018-12-29 16:30:00) or sooner if a majority lynch is achieved.

mod notes:

- quack

reading this vote count

Spoiler:

the worst

¹ (2)²

L-3

³ : PenguinPower, a goose<sup>4

1</sup> the player who this line of the vote count refers to.
² the number of votes currently on this player.
³ the number of votes this player is away from being lynched (e.g. L-5 = 5 votes from a lynch; L-3 = 3 votes away from a lynch; L-1 = one vote away from a lynch, etc.)
⁴ list of the players who are voting the player in question.

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no im not saying that at all

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I think we win if we go the elements-yyotta route for now, is there any other ideas? Objections?

im going to drive today for basically forever. like 18 hours or something, so im not going to be around. I really, really think you're wrong about this. elements and yyotta are both town there the vast majority of the time.

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GL, you have put together a very compelling case on yyotta, and I am now convinced that there is scum equity there.

If yyotta flips green, we'll look back and say urist's interactions with yyotta were an attempt to mimic an aspect of his town game from 1905. I think that's possible.

I think yyotta's play on d2 is pretty darn scummy, which I had not accounted for prior to day start, obviously. It makes her hammer a lot scummier than if she had come in here and been like, "got em coach! This is how I knew.." or really said anything at all.

if we find ourselves in a tomorrow, we're looking at fc/nauci

VOTE: yyotta i think this is l-1

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@FC
I started to answer your post about GL point by point and in the process of that I found myself reading the entirety of urist and GL iso'd together. so here's the broad takeaway:

I can see a little bit about what you are saying, but it's noise not signal.

IC!Scum!GL's push on urist is too strong and too earnest and too unprovoked. he's town. i'll get an avatar of a guy eating his own hat if he's scum.

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Also: that unprovoked piece is the crux of my argument vs. GL.

We can disagree here. I think you have to tie yourself up in a knot to take his positions on urist as scum

Who do I think is scum? With respect, I think you are mate. We have 3 lynches left and yyotta has some scum equity so im not making the big wall case yet, but i think i can show a scum motivation behind your game and my poe says it's you or nauci (or yyotta, dang it gl)

p.edit i find when looking at associations, i have better luck looking at how everyone else interacted with the person and their wagon then i do looking at the iso of the scum player. both are obviously best

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really all that needs to happen here is that {GL, DE, Elements, URAP2} have to all agree that the four of us are town.

if we can town bloc we win this game mechanically and it doesn't matter if yyotta gets lynched first or fc or nauci

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@GL HINT HINT hammer yyotta and let's just mechanically go through the uncleared

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VOTE: URAP2 for what I believe are the same reasons Nauci voted URAP2 immediately following a URAP post, plus a little reaction I just got that we can go more into later.

What is your current read on GL?
Has your (new?) scum read on me influenced your read on GL in any way? If yes, in what way?

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really all that needs to happen here is that {GL, DE, Elements, URAP2} have to all agree that the four of us are town.

if we can town bloc we win this game mechanically and it doesn't matter if yyotta gets lynched first or fc or nauci

That is exactly what I was saying with the claiming idea earlier. But claiming has the added benefit of certainty

im pretty sure i know the prs. im not against a mass claim, but they are tedious. I think that if an investigative role were to have a green (presumably there is no red check) on any of {yyotta, Nauci, FC} that would be worth sharing now.

Additionally, if {yyotta, Nauci, or FC} is a power role i think they should claim. If they aren't cc'd, that clears someone who wasn't clear before. If they are cc'd, we lynch amongst the claims and win the game

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right. they would clear themselves in the process tho

claim or not claim this game is won if we can just organize the four of us

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investigate fc/nauci

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yeah man. i think game has maybe a 20% chance of ending with yyotta lynch
If not yyotta, i think FC is probably scum.
If not yyotta or FC, Nauci is scum

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what are your thoughts dong?

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fc would be a terrific investigation target

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if it gets down to a fc,de,X final 3 i hope you will re eval

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@GL
Could you talk a bit about strategy for when we have an even number of players like this?

Also, can mafia choose to no kill or does this confirm that our last pr is doctor?

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VOTE: FC

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In post 461, Elements wrote:
In post 422, foodcoats wrote:
VOTE: URAP2 for what I believe are the same reasons Nauci voted URAP2 immediately following a URAP post, plus a little reaction I just got that we can go more into later.

seeing as you just lynched the cop, would now be later enough for you to go into the little reaction you got?

Owing to the flip, no, but you can re-read my interaction with URAP and think about it.

I don't understand.

There is one scum in this game.

You claim to know why nauci voted me, and you claim to have a scum read on me and to have inferred something from an interaction with me

then you hammer a different player entirely

then you refuse to explain the scum read on me "owing to the flip?

Am I missing something here, FC? You seem like someone who would tend to take reasonable stances regardless of alignment.

[u r a person 2]

It's a fact that there is one scum in this game, not a perspective.

It's also l-2 so i think your "I'm likely to be lynched.., save getting incredibly lucky" is kind of AtE

[u r a person 2]

Elements for the same reasons as D2 and for coming out swinging at me for accidentally hammering

I think your complete turn around from yyotta being your biggest town read to voting them, hammer or not, is my biggest reason for thinking you're scrum and is also something you haven't explained

Well, I sort of did but I didn't want to be a total curmudgeon in coming back to this, so, to explain more completely: basically the entire reason I voted Yyotta at the time was more or less towel-throwing at my frustration with the rest of town. Honing in on Yyotta was too easy, as I pointed out earlier, and I was pretty solidly convinced that she was town from meta and that I thought she was crumbing PR (which I was obviously not going to point out for scum). But, I'd also been totally wrong about Urist, and everyone was continuing to visit GL's cage at the heavy petting zoo, so I got aggravated and jumped on Yyotta's wagon in a dumb way.

More substantially, I think the nature of this game is that Occam's razor cuts both ways. It can be an analytical tool but also a fallacy. I'm just annoyed at this town. But I'm sure you're all lovely people outside the game of course.

mate, you can be annoyed at this town all you want, but if you are town you are playing like massive lynch bait right now

[u r a person 2]

if you're scum, carry on of course

[u r a person 2]

you should unvote as either alignment

[u r a person 2]

why would you make that play after seeing it play out with urist last game?

[u r a person 2]

that said, if town would hammer i think it's gg

[u r a person 2]

ehhhh i'm super okay with you ending the game with a scum!fc lynch right here

i think fc just saw town!urist in 1905 self vote in frustration and then have his wagon fall apart

[u r a person 2]

I could also say that I hard claim not Neapolitan and the Cop is dead.

This is also a doctor soft that comes right before the AtE self vote.

It's clearly meant to get cautious town to unvote

but im the doctor so like =/ lynch him

oh, gl is town

can someone hammer this and end the game pleease

[u r a person 2]

on the off chance it all went wrong and fc is town, then he was right and it was nauci all along

dun dun DUN

[u r a person 2]

and to remove ambiguity,
n1 save - nauci (i thought she softed her check onto sheep)
n2 save - GL he is town

[u r a person 2]

GG Everyone!

This was a tough one for scum. FC, I thought you played very well D1. FMPOV, the sheep nk was a mistake. I needed to cross someone off in my poe and you did that for me. I'd love to hear your thought process behind that kill

Thank you to TW for an excellently modded game. You're the man, duck!

[u r a person 2]

Also, not to say I told you so, but..

Spoiler: I told you so

lynch fc and nauci and game ends

no one else makes sense

VOTE: nauci

VOTE: foodcoats

actually this first

[u r a person 2]

URAP2: not only great reads, but really well done town-posting; I began day 2 with doubts but you obvtowned so hard that it was impossible to keep it up. That's the mafia trifecta of skills

eyyyyy tyty <3<3

Were you trying to take a night kill with your talk about Sheep at end of day 1?

You got me. I thought you were the cop xD

GG - Good looks coming around on FC at the end

[u r a person 2]

you were a big part of the win

i know i pushed urist but if you read my pt you'll see that I was really wavering

GL's case on urist first, and then later yours while I wavered are the only reasons i stayed on that wagon.

[u r a person 2]

urap2, if we ever play together, please, for the love of god, do not do what you did this game and play scummy early on, and actually be TPR XD

sry mate ;P

I'm not even sure what you found scummy about my play xD

[u r a person 2]

gg guys, that was a fun game. DE your complete annihilation of pvt was legendary, although i was half hoping you had done the best scum play in existence .
I look forward to bumping into you all in future games

sorry about the d1 push. we got past it in the end. GG and well done on the hammer

[u r a person 2]

Yyotta is still Yyotta. All the pocketing in the world was not enough to stop her lolhammer.

that hammer may or may not have been what stopped me from derailing your wagon and messing everything up.

yyotta real mvp

you played well. If you read my pt you'll see that I really struggled with your read, so good job and gg!

[u r a person 2]

messed up quote, too lazy to fix

you had me through most of day 1

wagon analysis was really damning this game.

if you could learn to plan around where you're going to have to lynch to get all the way to end game you could position yourself so that you don't have to tie yourself up in knots while still being able to play townie when town.

Pinturicchio laid out his whole plan to get to end game in 1905. It's a great example of what i'm talking about.

I really hope to play with you in the future. I think you're gonna get dangerous ;P

GG, mate!