Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Krazy]

that might be L1, been a while since vc.

Votecount 2.10

Keyser Söze(5)

~ Kokichi Oma(45), Nauci(250), skitter30(81), Varsoon(149), the worst(167)

Performer(4)

~ Xtoxm(83), Mitillos(18), Mewtaph(35), AlmostNancy(325)

Xtoxm(1)

~ Shoshin(118)

Mewtaph(1)

~ Performer(47)


Not Voting (1): Keyser Söze(42)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-23 13:58:58)

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Always feel free to pm if you would like a VC, otherwise I usually just wait until I can grab the next pagetop

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Spoiler:

[Varsoon]

Please dude stop
I am exhausted with
"YOU CANT READ ME TELL ME HOW YOU COULD THINK THIS IS MY SCUMPLAY" play

I've been over this.
I had it in my head that the way you were playing was intentionally panic!baiting whoever town!Duran was so you could NK them to deny info.

[AlmostNancy]

I thought nancy's reaction was pretty townie tbh.

If zerg are the only scum faction, and dont have gun flavor, town gunsmith doesnt make much sense to me.

If there's more than one faction, and the other faction does have gun flavor, town or zerg gunsmith makes sense to me

@varsoon, zerg is an anti town faction, right?

Gunsmith is a well defined role. It has nothing to do with flavour. It gets guilties on mafia. Regardless of what flavour the mod is using. This is an objectively bad reason to vote for Keyser.

+1

And what if Key is our only investigative?

I’m not convinced Mewtaph is town. We shouldn’t rush this vote.

[AlmostNancy]

So it makes sense that person would try to tilt me to soft so they could find and kill me before my info drops.

Maybe that's what mewtaph was trying to do

I suppose that’s possible?

[AlmostNancy]

Gunsmith is a well defined role. It has nothing to do with flavour. It gets guilties on mafia. Regardless of what flavour the mod is using. This is an objectively bad reason to vote for Keyser.

It gets red checks on roles with guns

but Varsoon's info said Scum don't have bullet flavor kills so they probably don't have guns

but a scum gunsmith would be able to find tpr or 3rd parties

How does scum not have guns? There were 2 kills last night, both by guns right?

[AlmostNancy]

I don't buy town having a gunsmith when we've got two roles that'd already ping it and there's high chance scum have roles to give it 'false' clears.

But that really depends on how much the mod has designed this specifically to ruin my day.

What 2 roles “ping” it?

[AlmostNancy]

Wonky shit is (iirc) that Keyser claimed Informed Town Gunsmith after there had been a lot of discussion about Gunsmith in the setup.

Key claimed “informed”? Informed about what?

[AlmostNancy]

Ok. On further research, my interpretation applies to normal games. Theme games

can

be different, but it would be considered bastard not to in inform the gunsmith in the role PM that he checks specifically flavour. So this is something Keyser would need to clarify.

viewtopic.php?p=7733381#p7733381
mastina is a co mod here, this isn't something that would just slip through.

Yes, hopefully no one quickhammers this time before he can explain it. I’m frustrated with both Key and Mew, for not contributing more to the game.

[Varsoon]

I don't buy town having a gunsmith when we've got two roles that'd already ping it and there's high chance scum have roles to give it 'false' clears.

But that really depends on how much the mod has designed this specifically to ruin my day.

What 2 roles “ping” it?

The dead PGO and Vigilante.

[Xtoxm]

we all are. i think key is just busy. he's not posting anywhere on site.
the play he does have looks town imo.

[AlmostNancy]

@Performer:
I don't know how to spell out my claim any more than I already have.
What are you having trouble figuring out here?

After giving it some thought, I'm concluding that 1 of you, AN, or the other informed roles is outright lying.

Duran and someone else being named Duran sounds farfetched. The wiki made it sound like Duran is a bad guy.

Nauci/Vars have become confusing with their vote swings and it's ridiculous that a claimed investigative is being voted. I could see town keys investigating creat on n1. if I was investigative I would check him too after his scummy posts. Extremely unfortunate that creat ended up being killed, which was as unexpected as irrel's death (whoever killed them, I want to know why post game).

Anyway, I've made it clear who I believe is scum.

Do you have a Duran link?

I’ve only read up on my flavour and my two informed ones.

[AlmostNancy]

@mod: if a player had a killing role, but their kill flavor was *not* bullets, and a gunsmith investigated said player, what result would the gunsmith receive?

i asked this yesterday but i think krazy didn't see it

@Krazy

[AlmostNancy]

The wiki made it sound like Duran is a bad guy.

It's a complex character who is basically a 3p creature

he's been confederate, a confederate traitor, and even an infested terran

Can someone please post a link? I would like to read more about it.

[Krazy]

@mod:

if a player had a killing role, but their kill flavor was *not* bullets, and a gunsmith investigated said player, what result would the gunsmith receive?

Unless I flavored the role to have a gun in some way, a gunsmith would receive a "no gun" result

Do feel free to pm if I miss something

[AlmostNancy]

I'm feeling really apathetic because I get criticized by someone regardless of what play I make and I think I really messed up if AlmostNancy is town here and I basically just gutted my own slot.

It's hard to get enthused.

I’m trying to figure out, if the non-original part of my informed flavour, is infested terran or zerg and how which affects the gamestate.

Varsoon mentioned Protoss too. Are they good or bad guys?

[AlmostNancy]

I'll still probably mod but I think I'm awful at the actual game of mafia.
Like particularly game-throwingly bad.

You’re probably still having a better day than I’m having. I haven’t even eaten a single thing today. That’s how upset I’ve been.

[Nauci]

For the record, I don't think Varsoon made a mistake outing his information.

I actually agree with this.

I think this solidified my town reads on both of them which may not otherwise have happened

[AlmostNancy]

I'll still probably mod but I think I'm awful at the actual game of mafia.
Like particularly game-throwingly bad.

i don't know if my opinion is relevant or important to you, but i dont' think that you're that bad at it

i think you made a mistake and probably outed before you should have, but i don't think it was on the level of game-throwing or anything, and hey, it's a game, and eveyrone makes mistakes or plays suboptimally. i don't think it was the worst thing on the planet you could have done

and now at least we can try to sort out the gunsmith/flavor thing out of this, and it finally helped me get a read on nancy

(sometimes i think you get a little too aggressive for my taste, but it think that's something you try to reign back and not let it get personal, and i don't think you crossed any lines in this game)

<3

Thanks. I feel like I got punched in the gut earlier by Cerb but that’s unrelated to anything happening in this game.

[Nauci]

WOAT

Am I out of touch?

I thought I was one of the buzzwordiest people here lol

[the worst]

WOAT

Am I out of touch?

I thought I was one of the buzzwordiest people here lol

worst of all time

NIOOT

[AlmostNancy]

A good player is able to grow beyond their faults, trust when they need to, analyze the rhetoric, find scum, obv-town, and lead weaker players.
I don't think I can really do any of that.

A good player learns from their mistakes and gets better. Read Malcolm Gladwell’s Outiers, if you don’t believe me.

[Nauci]

What percentage of AN posts are "HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY SCUM READ ME!??!??!" type

I'd lowball 1/4

[the worst]

my posting feels so shallow rn but I'm kinda looking through pages like "hmm ok" and waiting to see if I've been betrayed

[Nauci]

I thought nancy's reaction was pretty townie tbh.

If zerg are the only scum faction, and dont have gun flavor, town gunsmith doesnt make much sense to me.

If there's more than one faction, and the other faction does have gun flavor, town or zerg gunsmith makes sense to me

@varsoon, zerg is an anti town faction, right?

Gunsmith is a well defined role. It has nothing to do with flavour. It gets guilties on mafia. Regardless of what flavour the mod is using. This is an objectively bad reason to vote for Keyser.

+1

And what if Key is our only investigative?

I’m not convinced Mewtaph is town. We shouldn’t rush this vote.

Then we better fucking have a jailer and tracker and watcher because that'd be weak af and heavily anti-town on top of having a 2s PGO

[the worst]

I read AlNan about equally to Varsoon atm which is to say my read on both has increased dramatically this phase and I don't consider the stuff they're fighting over to be explicitly AI

actually I'd be slightly disappointed in the shallowness of the setup if Nancy's role could be spewed scum via flavour softing, and I don't think this is how she approaches an informed scum role like this anyway :/