Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[Nauci]

I thought nancy's reaction was pretty townie tbh.

If zerg are the only scum faction, and dont have gun flavor, town gunsmith doesnt make much sense to me.

If there's more than one faction, and the other faction does have gun flavor, town or zerg gunsmith makes sense to me

@varsoon, zerg is an anti town faction, right?

Gunsmith is a well defined role. It has nothing to do with flavour. It gets guilties on mafia. Regardless of what flavour the mod is using. This is an objectively bad reason to vote for Keyser.

+1

And what if Key is our only investigative?

I’m not convinced Mewtaph is town. We shouldn’t rush this vote.

1: Krazy clarified that only roles with an explicitly stated state of having a gun/bullet flavor would turn up a result for the gunsmith and xtoxm has already retracted that post as a result

2: I don't think anyone townreads mew and we're all pretty much okay to go there too

[Nauci]

Gunsmith is a well defined role. It has nothing to do with flavour. It gets guilties on mafia. Regardless of what flavour the mod is using. This is an objectively bad reason to vote for Keyser.

It gets red checks on roles with guns

but Varsoon's info said Scum don't have bullet flavor kills so they probably don't have guns

but a scum gunsmith would be able to find tpr or 3rd parties

How does scum not have guns? There were 2 kills last night, both by guns right?

I feel like we've been over this?

Varsoon's info was that there's a scum-zerg faction who by default don't have bullets. He was told that the scum-zerg faction did not attempt a ki n1.

Keyser says his info is that there's an anti town 3p

And we've had lots of speculation of alternating night multiball

Tl;Dr fuckery is at hand

[Nauci]

I don't buy town having a gunsmith when we've got two roles that'd already ping it and there's high chance scum have roles to give it 'false' clears.

But that really depends on how much the mod has designed this specifically to ruin my day.

What 2 roles “ping” it?

Creature (vig) and Irrelephant (PGO) both are town with guns

[AlmostNancy]

I was feeling tortured over the informational stuff on my role, especially when it felt like Almost Nancy was BLATANTLY fishing for it.
Especially since I literally just came out of TAZ, where we would've probably won if I had just claimed my guilty on NSG.
I fucked up there and I think I fucked up here, too.
Why does this keep happening to me?

No, I was “fishing” for information about Starcraft. Until you and Nauci started talking about infested terrans, et al, I actually though my informed flavour claim, was NAI. That’s why I was kind of freaking out about it yesterday, when I did some more reading and it dawned on me, that my informed flavour claim, could possibly be scum. Now, I realized that I’m actually informed of 2 flavours in the game. One of them is obviously terran/town and the other has to be scum but what form? I have no clue and can there be more then one type of scum version and how does which version impact the game?

[AlmostNancy]

<3
Thank you.
I agree, games should be about fun and not just who wins.
I think when I get too personally involved, they stop being fun for other people.
What bothers me is that I enjoy when I am frustrated enough to be watching the thread like a hawk; at least then I feel engaged and alive, even if I'm pissed off.
I'm going to just try to focus on one game at a time moving forward and see how that goes.
This game and others have really destroyed my confidence.

Well, I’m not letting Cerb or anyone convince me of something untrue.

[Nauci]

Wonky shit is (iirc) that Keyser claimed Informed Town Gunsmith after there had been a lot of discussion about Gunsmith in the setup.

Key claimed “informed”? Informed about what?

Not yet - I know there is a third party who can’t win with town.

[Xtoxm]

im working on the idea that the 3p will be the non-bullet flavour.
and the groupscum will be bullets.
so in that sense the vig is a false positive (pgo doesnt count hes never getting a result there)
3p false negative, and hes informed of this possibility
seems reasonable

[Nauci]

The wiki made it sound like Duran is a bad guy.

It's a complex character who is basically a 3p creature

he's been confederate, a confederate traitor, and even an infested terran

Can someone please post a link? I would like to read more about it.

Has this still generally been Nancy posting, btw?

[Xtoxm]

and if you guys flip this.
and its a tpr again.
i'll be writing off towns chances.
dont expect any fucking effort from me tomorrow.

[Nauci]

NIOOT

Nauci is out of touch?

[Nauci]

im working on the idea that the 3p will be the non-bullet flavour.
and the groupscum will be bullets.
so in that sense the vig is a false positive (pgo doesnt count hes never getting a result there)
3p false negative, and hes informed of this possibility
seems reasonable

It was only a 2s pgo so if Irrelephant had survived and gotten 2 people killed already, a gunsmith check would be successful

[Nauci]

Thanks to xtoxm's prompting I actually went back and reskimmed keyser's ISO vs mewtaph

And I'm willing to think he's currently busy (apparently it's almost Christmas holy shit) and and give him 1 more day the

VOTE: mewtaph

Still struggling with performer

[Keyser Söze]

I was town guys and girls

[Nauci]

I was town guys and girls

Why are you posting like you've been hammered

[Xtoxm]

and voting key for his gs claim is literally an example of setup spec done poorly.
if you're gonna bitch at me for talking about mechanics, then dont base your vote on a mechanical reason while doing it.

[AlmostNancy]

I feel like there are a several misunderstandings in your posts, performer (e.g. varsoon has only ever sarcastically said shoshin is 100% accurate)

Also I don't remember Irrelephant saying what Rory Swann's job was? (Fwiw, he was an engineer who created all of the weaponry for the protagonist, hence why I thought gunsmith would have been appropriate)

I'm having a hard time parsing some of what you said

What are these misunderstandings?

About vars I have to disagree as Vars' continued faith in shos stopped sounding like sarcasm and sounded like he was a religious believer.

What's the relevance of Rory's job? I did a lookup and went with the result I found , as I didn't even remember who Rory was in the SC series so I had to look into it. As for gunsmith, I don't know about that but I
took his claim at face value of him stating he was a PGO , and I'm thinking it's likelier than not.

What are you having hard time with for parsing - what's unclear?

heavy tpr spec in this setup is probably bad. turst me on this one

?

I actually find it helpful in normals and games that have been touched by at least 1 member of the NRG . Also flavor speculating if claimed flavors make sense, should help in flavored/themed games like this one.

I feel like there are a several misunderstandings in your posts, performer (e.g. varsoon has only ever sarcastically said shoshin is 100% accurate)

Also I don't remember Irrelephant saying what Rory Swann's job was? (Fwiw, he was an engineer who created all of the weaponry for the protagonist, hence why I thought gunsmith would have been appropriate)

I'm having a hard time parsing some of what you said

I think there would have to be a big reason for her being scum for me to consider her as a contender for being scum at the moment and I don't think that really exists atm.

Like what does this sentence even say about Nauci
“There would have to be a big reason for her to be scum for me to consider her scum at the moment, and I don’t think that exists at the moment”
Say it out loud and you’ll have like the definition of a tautology, and you’ll also really find yourself living *at the moment*
I don’t disagree that Nauci is townish but it’s not because *theres not a big reason to call her scum at the moment*

Nothing mewtaph has posted reads

real

so far
VOTE: mewtaph prove me wrong

Man if you really are a town pgo then we really lucked out

how did we luck out if we have a town pgo?
this is like saying we lucked out if there was a claimed gunsmith.

Irrelephant could have been another informed player that there isn't a PGO

Though that'd be very specific and overly advantageous information I don't think Krazy would throw out

I don't know how well others' flavors and roles match but Rory swan ought to have been a gunsmith instead of pho is why I'm paranoid

I don't follow. Would you mind going through why you think he's informed another player that isn't a PGO?
What are you saying here?

5 AM paranoia comin' in hot

Irrelephant could have been another informed player that there isn't a PGO

Though that'd be very specific and overly advantageous information I don't think Krazy would throw out

I don't know how well others' flavors and roles match but Rory swan ought to have been a gunsmith instead of pho is why I'm paranoid

Incidentally, I saw in post #1 a mention of "informed status" not being revealed on flip. I've never played in a game with informed players, so I was wondering if the information they have should be shared with the rest of the town. Thoughts?

Finally, a useful subject.

If you think it should be shared then by all means, do share. If not then don't. Like why would you be telling us there is -say- a player with the loved modifier when we will get to know that later on anyway? On contrast, why would you hide something like -say- "all scum have guns" (unless you yourself are the Gunsmith).

Note: No. That's not a hint or a crumb. It's a reference to this game where I was indeed an informed Gunsmith who knew the scum team all had guns (all = both of them).

Guys please unvote, I’m an informed town gunsmith.

Does informed town gunsmith, sound like a made up role to you? Who fake claims informed gunsmith of any alignment?

[Nauci]

Does informed town gunsmith, sound like a made up role to you? Who fake claims informed gunsmith of any alignment?

I think it's unwise to speculate that a role sounds made up when roles like Varsoon's exist

[Xtoxm]

I was town guys and girls

gonna vote this game or you sitting this one out?

[Mewtaph]

Does informed town gunsmith, sound like a made up role to you? Who fake claims informed gunsmith of any alignment?

I think it's unwise to speculate that a role sounds made up when roles like Varsoon's exist

It is unwise. If you can't setup spew correctly, don't post about it.

[Nauci]

Setup spew? What exactly does that mean?

Also that's some beetlejuicing if I've ever seen it

[Xtoxm]

beetlejuicing is NAI.

[the worst]

NIOOT

Nauci is out of touch?

You bet

[Keyser Söze]

I was town guys and girls

gonna vote this game or you sitting this one out?

I will probably vote Mew.

Would Mew vote me though? This is interesting.

@Mew

[Mewtaph]

Setup spew? What exactly does that mean?

Also that's some beetlejuicing if I've ever seen it

I heard someone called.

[the worst]

VOTE: Mewtaph