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VOTE: Something_SmartIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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How did you guys manage to add seven pages while I was asleep without saying anything useful.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I hate rolling scum but I don't post lessIn post 405, DrewVa wrote:Something_Smart -- does something_smart not like rolling scum?
I've had an extremely busy last few days, this game started at a terrible time for me. I'm catching up now.
I will say though, as I'm catching up, I'm having a hard time finding things that feel worthwhile to talk about. Maybe it's the lack of public votes but from the few pages I've looked at just now, it feels like people are just talking each other in circles.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I mean yes, but mostly it was just as an egopost and because I felt like it.In post 454, Thanos wrote:Lol, I think Something_Smart did this as a joke, knowing that public votes aren't counted, to test for reactions.
Same. I'll be a lot more free this week, which is good because I do a lot better being able to respond to people in relative real-time than when I come back from a busy weekend to 10+ pages.I'd like more content from the slotIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Why?In post 500, Xtoxm wrote:Alonzo wanting to end the day early is a little suspect.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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It's almost certainly a bad idea to end the day this early.
But it would be very interesting to see where everyone puts their vote when they don't think anybody's watching.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I think somebody said something indicating they thought I misunderstood the mechanics (they must not know me, lol). Probably not indicative of alignment though.In post 535, Nev and Max wrote:I didnt even think about that when he posted that self vote, did anybody really react to it?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Here it is. Was kinda cryptic, assuming it was Performer because it doesn't sound like Cheeky.In post 338, Cheeky Dancer wrote:In post 55, Nero Cain wrote:Am I the only one that hasn't read the mechanics yet?You guys have terrible footwork.
It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I am very much free of open wounds but I am hereIn post 867, Elsa Jay wrote:Dang it guys, where's half the bloody cast?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I am really unhappy with this voting mechanic. I feel like it's impossible to see anything substantial that's going on.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Hebichan is one of them, right?In post 935, Nero Cain wrote:
I honestly don't feel like either head is that readable, at least for me.In post 930, Almost Chara wrote:Ultimate Liars should be more readable shortly.
I feel like hebichan is one of the few people in this game that I actually can read.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Damn, maybe that's my problem this game. Too many people I don't know and without VC's I can't tell where they stand.
Probably today I'll ISO some people I do know (Cheeky, Gamma, Elsa, Ari, Dave, Nero) and see if that will get me somewhere.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I can make way more than 12 posts with no reads at allIn post 982, Karmeleon wrote:Something_Smart looks bad too. He managed to make 12 posts with no reads at all, just complaints about thread activity and game mechanism, promises to catch up and "I can read hebichan" with no follow up.I already said I'm having trouble making reads. It doesn't mean I won't try, but it means (a) I need to try harder and thus need to wait until I have some time to reread things, which I didn't today until now, and (b) I'll probably not have many reads especially early on.
I couldn't point to specific posts (other than you complaining about long quotes for short responses which I know is NAI but I still appreciate), but in my catchups your posts have felt pretty genuine.
From one content post? It feels more likely town than not, because it reads pretty natural.In post 980, Karmeleon wrote:
Where's your read then?In post 968, Something_Smart wrote:I feel like hebichan is one of the few people in this game that I actually can read.
Going to ISO some of the other people I mentioned that I know and hopefully I'll have something resembling a partial readlist.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Cheeky:
I like this line.In post 432, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Performer and I don't really talk in our PT at present but that could change as the game gets more serious.
Cheeky's aggressiveness toward Nero I think is towny but I don't think I've ever seen her as scum. I know she doesn't like it though so she probably wouldn't draw attention to herself. This also applies to calling Nero lockscum in 459.
Nothing else in the ISO catches my eye. Lean town.
Gamma:
I like the neutrality in 332
No idea how I feel about 682, it's a little shallow and I don't think out of Gamma's scumrange
Overall Gamma is unimpressive, not obvtown as I've seen him be but that doesn't mean he's scum.
Elsa:
Before I start, I will note that I don't really think Elsa is readable day 1. But I can at least familiarize myself with how he's played this game.
Okay, after reading the ISO his posts seem pretty solid. Been a while since I played with him, and I've never seen his scumgame firsthand (I replaced into a game where he was scum, but he was already dead). Still don't really know on what metrics to judge his alignment, but he seems to be contributing pretty well to the game. (Although he is also contributing to this game having 5 extra pages every time I come back to it)
Ari (Emperors New Groove):
None of the posts from this hydra so far sound like him. There's certainly not enough to get a read on.
Dave:
Another one who's hard to read day 1. I think I have an idea of how he thinks as town (he's pretty logic-oriented like me), though I don't recall ever having played with scum-him.
Like this line, but it probably is something he'd do as either alignment, but it would be easier to make up thoughts as scum than to give genuine ones as town. Hopefully he does get around to discussing these at some point.In post 581, davesaz wrote:@RCE don't know how I'm reading it yet. Just marking for review.
1015 and 1032 read as somewhat genuine
Overall dave is a very slight townlean.
Nero:
In my admittedly dated experience, Nero was obvious as town and gave very few shits as scum. Not particularly impressed by the first few posts in his ISO, but his later posts seem more genuine. Like it is with Karmeleon, I couldn't point to a specific post but he's a townlean.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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That's definitely not a slip. There's a 0% chance that Ramcius as scum was like "I should tell them that I'm not town" and then after posting it was like "oh shit, that means I'm scum, shouldn't have said that." Clearly he didn't mean to claim scum no matter what his alignment is.
Happy birthday!It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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TLK. I have a question. I made that self-vote very early on as self-admittedly half a joke egopost and the other half a reaction test. I also said that I understand that's not how real votes were placed. When you put your votecounts together, why did you not even ask if I had actually voted myself in my confessional before writing my vote there?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Oh, I don't think he should have assumed it was a joke. I think he should have asked rather than assuming ANYTHING, because it was meant to cause some confusion about whether it was an actual vote or not.In post 1292, Xtoxm wrote:I'm going to have to wade in here. If your clear use of vote tags should be disregarded as a joke, at what point do you draw the line between assuming a vote is a joke and a vote is real? The most sensible course of action is to take literal votes at face value, and you told us that you're voting yourself. If you don't want that in the artificial VC, go ahead and change it.
I would hardly be right to be voting anyone when I haven't expressed any scumreads worthy of the name. I'll vote if and when I see someone who I actually think is substantially more likely scum than town. That doesn't always happen day 1, and it's even less likely to happen in a game like this. For clarity's sake, the answer right now is nobody.In post 1293, DrewVa wrote:@Something_Smart, who are you voting for, in your ACTUAL confessional?
I won't necessarily say when I vote someone, but if I refrain from doing so I will have a reason for not saying it. Probably that reason will be that I think the person would either clam up under pressure and be harder to read or they would get more wild and desperate and burn all their bridges as town.
Oh, that's interesting. I thought the intent was to create an accurate picture of where people were voting. I know that's what I said I wanted to see (real votes, not mock votes), and I thought you created this in response to what I said.In post 1296, The Last Knight wrote:I took a template and copied it, to be honest, and your name was right there at the top. I did think about taking your vote off but it also seemed like an obvious enough joke. I figured I could leave it there and change it later if/when you decided to go public. Just a sillier unknown.
I want to address the last sentence specifically though, because I don't think these VC are necessarily confessional votes. But if someone did vote here and was contradicted later, it gives some nice info on D2.
You're right that it was always my prerogative to change my vote/alert you that it wasn't accurate. To be honest, I wanted to see if anyone would get the impression that I was ACTUALLY voting myself, and how they'd react to that... but it seems like nobody even mentioned it. I want to keep it on even after we've had this conversation, but at the same time I don't want to foster the idea that these votes are fake or less serious or that it's all right to have a joke vote on this that doesn't correspond to your real vote. So with that in mind:
UNVOTE:It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Not necessarily, often it's obvious what you're doing anyway, but threats on a lurker are still threats and might scare them into contributing more.In post 1424, profii wrote:It’s like when you say “I’m voting you to pressure you into doing something” - by saying that it loses its effect
I believe by saying “I’m gonna plump for a lurker” means if you try and threaten someone - again you lose the effect
I say might because especially with the holidays coming a lot of lurkers aren't going to be lurking for game-related reasons.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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oh my god please just stop.In post 1430, BrightEyedFish wrote:
It is helpful for town and it is helpful to scum. You just got to decide for yourself which side it helps more.In post 1279, The Last Knight wrote:By posting the VC, I'm just trying to do something that I believe is helpful forthetown.
and since I did the same to DrewVa with "If", I found an interesting semantic issue with this post.
I am very interested on why you wrotethetown. Your use of "the" makes me feel that you are separated from town.
But before we roll down the semantics road again, I know I know. But these things play important roles for myself and my reads during the first couple of days.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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What's wrong with it?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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PLEASE stop quoting long posts. It's hell to read on mobile.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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It's not completely asinine, if you had a good argument for it. If you don't have a better reason than "he's doing something that helps town" then it's certainly incredibly shallow.
Who based a townread on it?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Me. I want scum dead, if my reads are bad I'd actually prefer that people ignore themIn post 1900, BrightEyedFish wrote:Who doesn't want their scumreads dead?
Incidentally, this is the answer to whoever asked how I can not have any scumreads this far in. The thread has been going at a pace too fast for my present availability, and while I could do lots of reading and force myself to make scumreads, I don't think they'd be better than random, and they'd quite likely be worse.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Oh yeah and merry Christmas etc etc.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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That's not the standard. That's a bomb; if you had both abilities you were a bomb supersaint.In post 1995, DrewVa wrote:Because it is not only the hammer that can die, it’s also anyone that tries to NK him too.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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TLK claimed it. Supersaint traditionally kills whoever hammers them if lynched. I assume in a plurality game, it would instead kill the chronologically last vote on them.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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The solution is to highlight just what you want to respond to and hit quote. It only takes one click to jump back and see the full post being referenced and its context, but it doesn't clutter up the thread.In post 2035, mcqueen wrote:Sorry, this is stupid. I agree it is, but I’d rather know what’s being referenced.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Excuse me what?In post 2110, profii wrote:
{Nero / S_S }In post 2108, Elsa Jay wrote:Hey TLK, do me a solid and list everyone's preferred vigi shot instead of a VC count next.
Lynch one, shoot t’other
I could see why you'd want to vig me but Nero is a universal townread...It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I don't think lynching TLK today is a good ideaIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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That said I still have no idea who I DO want to lynch.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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87 pages in two weeks. I can't process that much that quickly.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I didn't think it would be quite this bad, I think it's faster than some of the other large games I've played at least. Besides I wanted to play anyway because Boon
I definitely didn't expect my reads to be this weak this far in, but I really didn't think about how damaging the lack of public votes is. Like I've said, I do think it will be better on future days.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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The other thing is, people have not been posting in a very accessible way. Most people have either been posting one-liners with no explanation at all or engaging in quote pyramids where the quotes are five times longer than the responses, which are a major pain in the ass to read.
I'd love to see some people summarize who they scumread most along with a 2-3 sentence explanation of why, with links to some posts that make them feel that way.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Hmm.In post 2177, Almost Chara wrote:I am not going to disclose my reads or our votes. You only get to know who we end up voting by EoD.
Do you have a reason for this beyond typical A50 mystification?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I mean, it's an interesting strategy. I could think of several potential reasons why you might find it better to be secretive about your vote... but I could also see you doing it just because you feel like it. Hence why I asked.In post 2179, Almost Chara wrote:Do you have a reason for asking beyond typical S_S being overly silly?
~A50It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Loyal is really strong, the other two not so much.
I wouldn't go around giving loyal to a random person though. You want to give it to a weak investigative like motion detector or vanilla cop, because it turns them into a cop.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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If you target someone of a different alignment, your action fails as if you were roleblocked. So if any investigative is loyal and gets any result, they know their target is town.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Not asking for a cop, I'm talking about an investigative role that right now is almost useless, like vanilla cop, voyeur, or motion detector. Neighborizer also qualifies. If somebody has one of those roles, it's probably worth it to come out.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I mean, there must be a protective somewhere.
I trust you though, I just don't want to see that power go to waste.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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...What?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Xtoxm please explain how trying to turn a useless role into a cop is rolefishing, and tell me what I'd gain by rolefishing a weak-ass role like the ones I listed.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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where are you getting this from?In post 2549, Thanos wrote:Due to the BOOnus round prizes, no one can be town confirmed by cop or any actions anymore imo.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I'd guess that people pushing scumslips are more likely town than random.
I'd also guess people following others pushing scumslips are more likely scum than random.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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After he made 2336. I asked him to explain it and was planning to decide whether I would keep the vote after he responded, but he didn't respond.In post 2856, mcqueen wrote:Honestly the main question i have is when did Something_smart vote xtoxm? I dont remember them saying anything, could be wrong thoIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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In retrospect I don't know how much I actually scumread Xtoxm, but I still hate that post and I don't think he should get as much towncred for voting flippy as he has gotten.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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what?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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That's not how it worksIn post 3000, Cheeky Dancer wrote:You're quickly heading to my first lock-scum read.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Fair enough.In post 3002, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Don't tell me how my reads work Mary Poppins.
That's not how itshouldwork.
Lockscum is a very serious claim. It really shouldn't be based on a bunch of little things, to the point where you're "almost there". A bunch of little things might increase the chance someone is scum a lot, but in order to lockscum someone you need something that you literally cannot see as coming from town. Either you have something like that or you don't. If you're describing someone as close to lockscum, you're probably not using the term right, and you're using it in a way that's probably going to make you resistant to changing your mind.
Sure, you can characterize your reads however you like. But I don't think it's a good idea to characterize that read like that.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Mcqueen didn't announce his vote though...?In post 3056, Cheeky Dancer wrote:SS only voted there after Mcqueen did instead of after Xtoxm pushed SS for "pr hunting."It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Oh, you're right, he did.
Didn't factor into my decision though (obviously). It was more of a protest vote to make a statement than anything, I wasn't expecting he'd actually be lynched.
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Not quite-- I voted him for calling me a rolefisher and then not responding to my request for an explanation.In post 3176, profii wrote:I don’t like that Xtoxm seemingly gets voted by S_S for calling him a rolefisher - imo I agree with Xtoxm- s_s was trying to find out who I could “power up” by making loyal and thus could nk them
Because you seem to have it wrong as well. The roles that I was asking for were ones that would have practically no town utility without your upgrade. He made it out as though "rolefishing" and "asking a certain role to claim" are the same, but rolefishing, when done by scum for scum-motivated reasons, has to actually help scum if successful. I don't think outing the town one-shot motion detector really helps scum.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Because then profii could give them a power and turn a useless role into a useful one, and even if they do get killed (unlikely because of protectives), town's no worse off than it was and scum didn't get to kill who they wanted.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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please explain to me WHAT BENEFIT I GET FROM ROLEFISHING A MOTION DETECTOR AS SCUM.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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It sounds like a BS buzzword you're using to throw shade on someone else.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Literally just looking up "rolefishing" in the oversimplified buzzword dictionary and then applying it to anything that remotely fits without using your brain at all.
Pedit: yeah but that's info. That's something we wouldn't get unless you loyalized an investigative.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Maybe a watcher or tracker caught a scum roleblocker visiting them. Maybe there is no scum roleblocker, or they only have one shot and didn't want to use it. All that is potential info for the town. NOT for the scum.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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That emote was accidental but it fits perfectly.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Ok time to :thonk: about this.
Spoiler:
RCE's vote stands out the most, but I suspect it was because he wasn't online to change his vote after profii's claim. I am surprised he didn't show up at all in the 12+ hours before deadline to at least reevaluate his vote which was at that time over a week old... but him being busy at the wrong time certainly isn't indicative of alignment.
There are a lot of lurker votes. 4 on flippy, 3 on Theta and 2 on Ultimate Lurkers. Of note is the fact that all the flippy/Theta votes were relatively recent but both UL votes were from a lot earlier. I don't recall a lot of discussion of lynching UL near the end of the day, but I know there was for flippy, which brings up the question to dave and Thanos, why did you stay on UL when it seemed like the consensus was if a lurker was lynched, it would be flippy?
Now, I know there was some meta case on flippy, I have no idea if there were any cases on the other two beyond activity. I think I recall feeling UL was slightly town but they definitely don't have enough content to read confidently. I don't think I've ever read Theta anyway.
The final thing of note is the votes on TLK who is pretty much not a lynch option at this stage in the game. I recognize that there's some element of daring in keeping your vote on a supersaint claim knowing that you could end up being hammer and getting killed by it. I also recognize that this is scarier for scum if TLK is town (conversely, if he is scum then it would be safer for scum who know it won't happen). But I still think it's stupid to stay on him at this point in the game, when his power is far more useful if used lategame... and all the votes on him were kept from long enough ago that it's unlikely they'd end up being the hammer vote.
Don't really see anything notable in the other wagons.
I'm not a huge proponent of VCA; I was more interested in seeing votecounts so I could see where people's heads were at during the day and how people would respond to wagons. But I think if we are going to get anything from this VC, it will probably be from the TLK or UL wagons.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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And now this.In post 3216, Alonzo wrote:What are your reads SS?
Profii, Nero, mcqueen, Karm town.
N&M, TLK, Alonzo leantown.
I thought Gamma said something recently that I liked. Might have been 2780.
Xtoxm is the closest thing I have to a scumread. I hate the way he conducted the rolefishing discussion; I don't know if it's alignment indicative but I kind of hope he is scum being intentionally obtuse.
For the others I could definitely place them into "town side of null" and "scum side of null" categories, but there wouldn't really be a point to that since they'd change too easily.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Fair enough.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!