What if we paired again lol
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Alisae? What? They hadn't posted yet.In post 12, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Sorry, I’ll have to agree with Alisae here. You don’t want to dance with just “ANYONE”, since “anyone” might be scum.<Embrace The Void>
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He's like Sain from Fire EmblemIn post 15, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:+1
I’m not sure he actually cares, which lady he puts a ring on.
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Eugh this feels mildly squicky, why the mate at the end.In post 29, Vedith wrote:
Maybe we can go to McDonalds after myIn post 24, Pink Ball wrote:Shit you have a car?!?!!?? You should've started with that!datedance with Nancy,Mate.
Could just be reacting like Donna does here though.
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I don't know how to feel about this, weren't you in the last one Krazy?In post 51, Krazy wrote:So I'm just rereading the ruleset
uh, do we just do nothing first dance?
Sorry I was about to vomit out some setup stuff that hinged around how much I hate the coins and then I realized simply not lynching anyone was an option.
Or alternatively,@FakeGod, is No Lynch an option for first dance?<Embrace The Void>
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I like this realism about the chances of an effective pairing strategyIn post 60, Dannflor wrote:To add to what Taly said, pairs should probably be decided near end of the pre-dance so we have the most info when making them. ...or we just pick a date we think is cute.<Embrace The Void>
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Wait I need to read the rules again nowIn post 62, Krazy wrote:So basically there are two ways to play this setup.
I think *both are viable*... and we maybe should think about it a little bit
Strategy 1: We commit to a tentative grouping of 6 locktown players to endgame
Problem with Strategy 1: Scum will, on average, I believe have 6-7 coins toward the end of dance one. But they can have more.
So the really annoying scenario that might have made me really angry in the past is {what if this game gets really stupid}
The game gets really stupid if we spend all of pre-dance hammering down our top 6 townreads, and then it's clear what the lynch order is
So we have at the end of dance 1 7 pairs:
Town pair 1
Town pair 2
Town pair 3
{knows they will get lynched pair A}
{knows they will get lynched pair B}
{knows they will get lynched pair C}
{knows they will get lynched pair D}
Which means that *if* (and again, this is actually a statistically uncommon scenario) there are two scum men in "ABCD" and their combined coin count is over 8 (which is barely a statistical blip -- if there are two scum men it is not at all unlikely their combined count is over 8) which would mean if they wanted to they could actually lynch Town Pair 1, kill Town pair 2 at night, and then throw the IC on one of the two scum men that scumclaimed, thus rendering the IC useless and creating massive wifom about the remaining pairings. That might even be game winning at that point if no scum had been lynched at that point.
I am NOT saying this is a likely scenario. But I did, at some point in the past, start getting *very focused* on this particular scenario and I think we might want to think very briefly about how we want to actually play out this game<Embrace The Void>
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I do recall Vedith being similar in the last one we were in together and he was townIn post 74, Vedith wrote:
My main concern is making it to the dance.In post 72, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yes, Vedith seems too eager and isn’t trying to sort the ladies.<Embrace The Void>
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We did very well in Witches Ball imoIn post 82, Vedith wrote:Trying to plan the dance setup in 2019<Embrace The Void>
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Um voting is majority based on the sum total of coins right? Am I wrong?In post 87, Krazy wrote:
This is another strategy but it presents all the same risks of strategy 1, which is if we are wrong on some reads Dance 1 risks getting really, really stupidIn post 70, Dannflor wrote:I mean ladies know how many coins they have yea? Can we just pair town read gents with high coin ladies, or am I missing something?
I guess partly I just want to make it so there is less scum motivation in scum claiming and speed lynching town
But you may be partly right. I might need to think about this. But I think this is why we basically just have to no lynch. Otherwise if we mislynch once, and scum have 8+ combined coins, the game gets really stupid really fast.
I don't know if you noticed this yet but I really don't like the coins since they risk making pre-dance pointless and/or risks turning apparently optimal d1 play for town into a disaster.
But you maybe right--maybe we want the ladies with coins 5-8 to all hardclaim, and actually just pair in order of townreads there?
Otherwise if we have 2 scum gentlemen that, combined, have 8+ coins, dance 1 is just awful for town<Embrace The Void>
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Reminder that deadline doesn't reset off a lynch in Dance 2In post 98, Krazy wrote:However, given that a mountainous in dance 2 can be really exhausting for town, I do think there is merit in going with at least some of the logic of scenario 2 -- have the top 4 coin ladies choose a man they townread that they can enjoy solving with or enjoy sorting rather than having it be over-determined by group consensus
So with that plan we'd have 8 days to sort 14 players<Embrace The Void>
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If we do this let the wealthy ones pick first for wider selection.In post 101, Krazy wrote:So basically, top 4 coin ladies still get to pick their partners. *town does not pick for them*, but *town can by consensus reject a pairing*?
That is, top 4 ladies just have 1 extra step.
1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing
whereas the other 4 ladies are just like
1. Dude offers
2. Lady decides
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Why does odd number matter?In post 106, Dannflor wrote:
I like this quite a bitIn post 101, Krazy wrote:1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing
No lynching after the first day also gets us down to an odd number of pairs after the NK, yea?<Embrace The Void>
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It's a long post.In post 138, Ankamius wrote:How the fuck did you all make over 100 posts in the time it took me to write that
Also are those just flavor text or informed by interactions with the players in the past?<Embrace The Void>
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waowIn post 154, Vedith wrote:
Don't listen to her! You're not better than that!In post 152, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Gamma no, you’re better than that. You’re going to allow this rogue to disrespect you like this?
Someone is desperate. Don't think I like that in a man.<Embrace The Void>
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Would post an image but Android sucks at thatIn post 181, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I have absolutely no idea who that is.In post 172, Gamma Emerald wrote:
He's like Sain from Fire EmblemIn post 15, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:+1
I’m not sure he actually cares, which lady he puts a ring on.
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HUH?
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Understood.In post 228, Dannflor wrote:
I was thinking of a normal day/night cycle in which an odd number is statistically better. I derped, that doesn’t apply here because the game is nightlessIn post 219, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why does odd number matter?In post 106, Dannflor wrote:
I like this quite a bitIn post 101, Krazy wrote:1. Dude offers
2. If Lady likes the dude, Lady asks, "who all scumreads this guy?"
3. If it's less than half the town, she accepts. She only rejects if more than half the town rejects the pairing
No lynching after the first day also gets us down to an odd number of pairs after the NK, yea?<Embrace The Void>
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Grandparents are just there to spoil their grandkids imoIn post 235, Firebringer wrote:I am not ur parent, I am your grandparent. show some respect.<Embrace The Void>
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OkayIn post 242, Ankamius wrote:
A couple of themIn post 233, Gamma Emerald wrote:
It's a long post.In post 138, Ankamius wrote:How the fuck did you all make over 100 posts in the time it took me to write that
Also are those just flavor text or informed by interactions with the players in the past?
Most of it is made up
How made up was mine?<Embrace The Void>
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Third time I've seen this, not a fan.In post 268, Dannflor wrote:I’ll explain when I get home<Embrace The Void>
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Don't think it has been that long?In post 270, Ankamius wrote:
Yours was entirely made upIn post 266, Gamma Emerald wrote:
OkayIn post 242, Ankamius wrote:
A couple of themIn post 233, Gamma Emerald wrote:
It's a long post.In post 138, Ankamius wrote:How the fuck did you all make over 100 posts in the time it took me to write that
Also are those just flavor text or informed by interactions with the players in the past?
Most of it is made up
How made up was mine?
Any that aren't were from very recent stuff and we haven't interacted at all in a long while now<Embrace The Void>
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That your only defense?In post 313, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Because I’m not automatically juming aboard an Allo scumwagon?
I’m not convinced of it, so sue me.<Embrace The Void>
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I get the feeling Allo is that type of guy.In post 324, Firebringer wrote:
ohh I forgot this too.In post 314, Taly wrote:The unexplained vote tier; with FakeGod as a read and Dann without really engaging with him at all
allo I don't think would put fake god in a readset as town. That is like bizzaro world here if he is town and is doing that.<Embrace The Void>
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Actually that seems like it could mean something from Taly?In post 340, Firebringer wrote:
I don't think that's really true but tbh I don't think I have played with scum taly. I have only played with Taly I think when I was scum and he was town, and he was one of those people I was like "how can I form a real scumread on this player when they are acting in this way"In post 336, Ankamius wrote:I think Taly tries harder to obvtown as scum in this situation
I don't think it's likely he's scum here<Embrace The Void>
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I recall FG gave the go ahead to speak about it?In post 348, Firebringer wrote:
guess what, you can't bring up last round since its not a completed and fakegod told us not to talk about it.In post 347, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
I’m not sure about Allo but but your reads are probably wrong like they were last game, when you scumread duck who seemed really townie to me, remember that?In post 332, Firebringer wrote:I am in the 90% certainty on Nancy and Allo being scum here. Someone try to change my mind!<Embrace The Void>
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I want a response to my deadline concern if you haven't given one already.In post 367, Krazy wrote:Still eating lunch and finishing up some laundry. I have a few responses to Gamma and Ank's concerns which I can go into later, but one thought did strike me I thought I'd drop out--if we lynch scum in pre-dance (with the one gent forced out), then we can play out first dance regularly.<Embrace The Void>
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Why VI specifically
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Agree with top part, confused by the bottom.In post 410, Dannflor wrote:Nancy, what are your reads right now? Sorry if it's annoying for me to ask but I can't find it in your ISO and seeing some concise direct thoughts from you would help
this is exactly why Vedith is town lolwhat are the chances of that happening though? scum can always pair with each other if it seems one of them will be forced out<Embrace The Void>
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wow very edgy imoIn post 431, Firebringer wrote:
nope I didn't, saying you don't play like yourself. I read multiple games of yours during last game man.In post 429, Allomancer wrote:you literally made a case against me because my posts in this game aren't like last game.
I had to like cut myself while doing it because the pain of the knife was more pleasant than that, but i did that.<Embrace The Void>
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What.In post 819, Firebringer wrote:The situation is fine now. Nancy is leaving. We get someone new in and we can both analyze them. How about that?<Embrace The Void>
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Decided to ISO Moment because I remember 0 of their posts and I'm interested in this one. Why?
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you mean the version run in Witches Ball and before right?In post 1783, RadiantCowbells wrote:This version of the setup favors scum a lot more than the old one<Embrace The Void>
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Because scum can't kill IC, so it lives until the pair is lynched/leaves or the game ends
...I did think of a way for scum to still screw things up. Should I share or no? I rate it Medium on the "random possibilities scum may have already thought up" scale (ratings are Common, Medium, and Rare; btw this is me applying a funny system to something that happens often).<Embrace The Void>
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Not sure beyond some feelings from before the spamfest (recall feeling you were town and Nancy was scum), but I intend to fix that.In post 1835, Vedith wrote:What's you're reads Gamma! \o/<Embrace The Void>
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Didn't like your one-track defense.In post 1838, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
???In post 1837, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Not sure beyond some feelings from before the spamfest (recall feeling you were town and Nancy was scum), but I intend to fix that.In post 1835, Vedith wrote:What's you're reads Gamma! \o/
I read as much as I could in full and then skipped to the present when I gave up.In post 1839, Vedith wrote:
Are you caught up int the game or just skimmed it?In post 1837, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Not sure beyond some feelings from before the spamfest (recall feeling you were town and Nancy was scum), but I intend to fix that.In post 1835, Vedith wrote:What's you're reads Gamma! \o/<Embrace The Void>
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That's NOT what I meant. I meant you were asking why Fire and Co. were scumreading Ank, you got blowback for that, and you challenged that as insufficient reason to scumread you (not directly from what I saw but rather implicitly).In post 1845, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
WhyIn post 1843, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like your only defense for a long time was "I'm being scumread for asking 'why Ank'"Ank? The why part is correct but I’m fairly certain I didn’t single out Ank. So, I’m legit confused why you make it a point to mention Ank over Fire, who was the one hardpushing me?<Embrace The Void>
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I wouldn't say it's better, but at worst it's not as bad as you guys seem to be saying.In post 1847, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:In post 1833, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because scum can't kill IC, so it lives until the pair is lynched/leaves or the game ends
...I did think of a way for scum to still screw things up. Should I share or no? I rate it Medium on the "random possibilities scum may have already thought up" scale (ratings are Common, Medium, and Rare; btw this is me applying a funny system to something that happens often).
Why haven’t you answered this yet?In post 1836, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Yes, share. I don’t understand how this setup, is good for town at all.In post 1833, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because scum can't kill IC, so it lives until the pair is lynched/leaves or the game ends
...I did think of a way for scum to still screw things up. Should I share or no? I rate it Medium on the "random possibilities scum may have already thought up" scale (ratings are Common, Medium, and Rare; btw this is me applying a funny system to something that happens often).
I still don’t understand how this setup is beneficial to town.
As for the thing I thought of, scum could IC the dance partner of their scummiest, leave, and then town would be fucked.<Embrace The Void>
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Did you not see me commenting I felt Vedith was town earlier in that post?In post 1848, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:In post 1837, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Not sure beyond some feelings from before the spamfest (recall feeling you were town and Nancy was scum), but I intend to fix that.In post 1835, Vedith wrote:What's you're reads Gamma! \o/
Any reads on anyone other than me?In post 1843, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like your only defense for a long time was "I'm being scumread for asking 'why Ank'"<Embrace The Void>
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You seemed to be construing it that way.In post 1907, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
People scumread me, for asking why people were scumreading Ank? *confused*.In post 1905, Gamma Emerald wrote:
That's NOT what I meant. I meant you were asking why Fire and Co. were scumreading Ank, you got blowback for that, and you challenged that as insufficient reason to scumread you (not directly from what I saw but rather implicitly).In post 1845, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
WhyIn post 1843, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like your only defense for a long time was "I'm being scumread for asking 'why Ank'"Ank? The why part is correct but I’m fairly certain I didn’t single out Ank. So, I’m legit confused why you make it a point to mention Ank over Fire, who was the one hardpushing me?<Embrace The Void>
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You weren't singling out Ank??? At least not in the sense I'd call "singling out". I can find quotes of what I mean though.In post 1927, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
Can you link or quote some of my posts then, because I don’t recall singling out Ank out that way?In post 1924, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You seemed to be construing it that way.In post 1907, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
People scumread me, for asking why people were scumreading Ank? *confused*.In post 1905, Gamma Emerald wrote:
That's NOT what I meant. I meant you were asking why Fire and Co. were scumreading Ank, you got blowback for that, and you challenged that as insufficient reason to scumread you (not directly from what I saw but rather implicitly).In post 1845, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
WhyIn post 1843, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like your only defense for a long time was "I'm being scumread for asking 'why Ank'"Ank? The why part is correct but I’m fairly certain I didn’t single out Ank. So, I’m legit confused why you make it a point to mention Ank over Fire, who was the one hardpushing me?
Also, any other reads then me, Vedith?
I get that Town!you has a bit of an authority complex (sorry if this hurts but I gotta be honest here) but this is less "authority complex" and more "being obtuse".<Embrace The Void>
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As for other reads I get a feeling Dr. Worm could be town just from cursory viewing of his (I want to write its here). I feel like I can read his posting given time anyway. One of my very few gambits came from having a solid townread on a slot that has someone kinda like Dr. Worm in it before.<Embrace The Void>
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Authority complex = you seem to get it into your head that you are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
As for obtuseness that wouldn't be a problem if you didn't sidetrack the argument into things it isn't several times.<Embrace The Void>
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Why did you post this?In post 1968, PvtUrist wrote:Here's my ISO from a skim;
-Fluff intro
-Redundent readlist
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-Accusation vs Dann that's yet to be backed
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so, I'll be needing to play better<Embrace The Void>
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This isn't true??? I don't think it's too important rn anyways, whilst I'm still working on reads like I amIn post 2020, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
That isn’t possible. They can’t all be all gents or all ladies. I’m assuming that since we have 9 gents to 8 ladies, probably 2 gents and 1 lady?In post 1997, Dannflor wrote:
yo maybe this is the scum teamIn post 1951, Allomancer wrote:well me, pvt, and dt are all town so there's that<Embrace The Void>
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My stupid ass thought this was calling them opposite alignmentsIn post 2052, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
You can’t play for the same team.In post 2048, Krazy wrote:
stop standing in the way of our loveIn post 2046, RadiantCowbells wrote:i'm taking the day off because of rough irl circumstances pls don't pair before I can play tomorrow!
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In post 2074, Moment wrote:Felt like catching up from where I posted last time in-between reading back.
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Explain to me why, again? From my relatively non-caught-up uninformed perspective, it seems you'd just be doing what Karmeleon did in Witches' Halloween Ball, not pairing out of some kind of principle, losing town out on a pairing.In post 1679, Ankamius wrote:Am I weird for still kinda not wanting to partner up at all still
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