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Page 14 now. Clem and Toog are town. mastina makes me paranoid but I think she's town. Joan of Arc at first I thought "man this is the easiest scum catch of them all" but now I think she's town. Spike and Jet probtown. No good reads on other players 'cause they're far better than me (Near x Mello, Dunn, Morality and A50; I have good vibes on all 4 of them, but I can't be trustful there yet). Gamma Emerald scum gutread. Didn't like SSBF's entrance but not one of my top scumreads. Torque and Elena Fisher both scummy.-
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Of course, I will when I'm fully caught up since this are preliminary reads that could be outdated.In post 693, Vedith wrote:
Reasons will be a good shout.In post 691, Pink Ball wrote:Page 14 now. Clem and Toog are town. mastina makes me paranoid but I think she's town. Joan of Arc at first I thought "man this is the easiest scum catch of them all" but now I think she's town. Spike and Jet probtown. No good reads on other players 'cause they're far better than me (Near x Mello, Dunn, Morality and A50; I have good vibes on all 4 of them, but I can't be trustful there yet). Gamma Emerald scum gutread. Didn't like SSBF's entrance but not one of my top scumreads. Torque and Elena Fisher both scummy.-
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Hey, I didn't refuse to go into reasons, I posted before leaving as a remainder of what I got from the first 13 pages, and I have 14 to go yet. You're wrong, darling.In post 723, mastina wrote:
Hard disagree especially with Pink Ball's entrance. There was nothing town about that, especially the refusal to go into reasons. Quite the opposite, I have very strong reasons to believe that's indicative of Pink Ball being scum.In post 700, Elena Fisher wrote:Agreed I think there posting came from very obvious town.-
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Have you seen me replace in any game at all? As far as I know, this is the first one. An entrance on an ongoing game is quite different than starting from the begining. First I catch up, then I shitpost. If I had the chance to be from the begining, I would've shitposted first and then played seriously.In post 728, mastina wrote:
I do and this is rather uncharacteristic of how he acts as town, so.In post 725, Near x Mello wrote:i dont particularly like pink ball's entrance either but i have zero experience there too-
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Torque's scumread is based on him asking "oh, you could be in more than one Channel?", 'cause 1. It's stated in the mod's first posts; and 2. Feels like a fake question to avoid posting in other Channels, in order to lurk in wherever he wants and post only where he feels more comfortable.
Fisher's scumread is based on her proposal on not posting on Channels at all because "scum can pocket easier there"; seems like shading whoever is posting a lot on Channels right now and trying to avoid town townreading town.-
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The second point I could believe you, but this game was highly expected for what I saw in the queue, so I'm inclined to think that everyone read the OP while waiting, as Near pointed out right now.In post 748, Torque wrote:pink ball i'm only in one channel and am too lazy to read the op carefully
The first point is the one I'm saying it's not true, so you saying you're in only one channel doesn't change what I think. But then again, that's my point of view.-
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That's what I perceived about that post in particular. I'm not trying to say you're shading, it's what I understood from that post. I don't know your real intentions, I can only guess. That's how mafia works.In post 763, Elena Fisher wrote:
What scumread are you talking about? Or are you saying you scumread me here? Also this point is kind of reaching because you're connecting one point to something I never said. I never talked about people posting in channels a lot. I was just stating facts that it's easier for scum to pocket people in neighborhoods. You can tell me I'm incorrect and tell me why that's fine. You trying to say I'm shading the top posters in hoods though is a very big reach. That'd basically be saying I'm shading myself.In post 741, Pink Ball wrote:Fisher's scumread is based on her proposal on not posting on Channels at all because "scum can pocket easier there"; seems like shading whoever is posting a lot on Channels right now and trying to avoid town townreading town.
Also the post in question you're talking about was me giving an explanation on why I was townreading someone. It's not like I went on and just made a post telling people to not townread people in hoods. So really I don't know how you got this answer at all.-
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You're using rethorics here to antagonize my points; have you pointed out before that those two are among your strongest townreads, or are you just emphasizing that you disagree with me and that you scumread my slot?In post 760, mastina wrote:(And yes I'm defending both Torque and Elena as both are among my strongest townreads.)-
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A50 is townIn post 402, Almost50 wrote:I cannot be confident in a scum read on Creature at this point, for reasons that may or may not be explained later on this day phase. Suffice it to say Creature can play this way as town.. and as a separate slot too, so being in a hydra could help further his disengagement.
@Ali: I know what you think and I am fully aware of his meta, plus that recent game on the other site, so I am not exactly opposing your read. I am just saying that I have seen him play this way most recently as town, and I suspect he's trying to close the gap between his town and scum play by being less engaged as town after having failed to become more active/engaged as scum.-
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Exactly what I thought when I saw that huge ass post of Dunn, didn't expect that. I think scum!Dunn doesn't need to defend townies to get townread himself so it was genuine. And yeah, I'm townreading Spike and Jet too, I don't know what was going on with Ali but probably was looking for a reason to rep out because of the playerlist. Anyone remember the Super Smash Upick? If I remember correctly, she was scum there and seemed frustrated with the playerlist tooIn post 544, Spike and Jet wrote:dunn could probably go up another notch actually, he had no reason to defend spike the way he did-
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I'm caught up.
Town: Dunn, Spike and Jet, Chito and Yuuri, Joan of Arc, Toogeloo, Almost 50, Clemency
Townlean: Vedith, Reasonably Psychotic, Near x Mello, Torque
Null: singletonking, Drixx, Robert2424
Scumlean: Elena Fisher, Morality
Scumread: Gamma Emerald, mastina
After reading Torque's ISO it gave me good vibes, like being pretty straightforward about what he's thinking all the time.
Elena's latest posts are better than my case on her and I agree I'm being reachy, but that doesn't invalidate my points. I don't want to deal with her tho
Gamma as I said is a gutread and I trust my gutreads on Gamma 'cause I have a clean record on him.
mastina's list of who she's willing to lynch is awful and I'm calling BoP on her right now for how wrong she is on my slot and because she tried to push me since I entered claiming that we're probably dealing with scum!Pink Ball. I already played with scum!Mastina and I've seen her claim she knows a lot of players' meta 'cause she reads a lot of games in order to push her agenda, and I think this is the case. And since I'm scumreading Gamma too, after she posted her list, she posted again but only with the last five players, excluding Gamma. So I think the last five players of her readlist are all town and Gamma is the scumpartner she's including to distance.
So, how things should resolve: at some point you'll have to lynch me, and I want you guys to go after mastina when I flip town, 'cause she's going to go full aggro now that I'm scumreading her, or at least that's what I expect from scum!her to do. I don't mind, my role is not that good, and I think my flip would give some good info on the gamestate.
By the way, the votecount is AWFUL, what's up with all the vanity votes? Is scum getting caught with that?
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It's not indiference, is more like... I think it wouldn't affect town too negatively 'cause my reads are good and it will give good info regarding who was pushing me because of obnoxious things or who would want me dead. Like, if I don't get lynched, I will probably get shot.In post 771, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Not sure why you'd be indifferent to your mislynch because of role when you can reroll your role. And then eat a springroll.-
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Being honest on feeling pressured and I liked SSBF posts were he put a lot of effort to explain what his stances were.In post 772, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Can you expand on Vedith leantown?-
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Ok I get what you're saying now. I don't townread every player who puts effort, that's not what I meant. The way that Smash was doing it felt townie 'cause he was trying to make himself clear and was consistent with his reads. You calling his pushes weak it's your take on him, I don't think they were weak pushes; I think they were legitimate reads from a not so charismatic player.In post 780, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: if you're townleaning Smash because of the effort, then shouldn't you be like scumleaning STK? Because otherwise all Smash was doing was putting 'effort' into weak pushes
also I'm just a little bit drunk rn so I might stop posting before yuuri yells at me-
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Sounds like something you would use to judge a newbie. It's like judging NicoRobin for lurking.In post 783, Spike and Jet wrote:I think the main point against Vedith slot tbh is that SSBF looked like a textbook scum flake out.-
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Elena is voting Gamma. With my vote, let me get my calculator... Yeah two votes now. Before I voted, there were 7 players with only one vote, one with 5 that I think it's town, one with 3 that it's conftown and one with 2 that had my vote, so no, it's not a vanity vote, it's starting a wagon.In post 786, mastina wrote:
>Calls out vanity voters.In post 769, Pink Ball wrote:By the way, the votecount is AWFUL, what's up with all the vanity votes? Is scum getting caught with that?
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
>Makes a vanity vote.
Seems legit.
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"He hasn't done anything that's outside of NAI and he's a lazy push"; first statement has nothing to do with my read on him. I've stated that I've read a lot of his games and I got a clean sheet reading him, so my gut read makes me comfortable. Saying it's a lazy push is your opinion, and I don't respect it 'cause I haven't seen much coming from you to value it.In post 791, Vedith wrote:
Yeah I'm not a fan of the Gamma voting.In post 769, Pink Ball wrote:By the way, the votecount is AWFUL, what's up with all the vanity votes? Is scum getting caught with that?
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
He hasn't done anything that's outside of NAI and he's a lazy push.
What I don't get with you Pink Ball is your Gamma read is gut and Mastina you seem to believe/put across that you have a valid Scum read yet vote Gamma.
That's most likely because Gamma is by far the easier lynch of the 2 and gives you a chance tomorrow to just say, well Mastina just isn't paired with Gamma on a town flip.
Infact I read every read of you're as a safety read.
Why's Morality Scumlean for you?
About why Gamma and not mastina: I'm not getting a mastina lynch on D1. You don't lynch mastina on D1. Have you played with mastina before?-
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Doesn't matter if it was a lie, since you admitted it was a lie when people like A50 townread you for it makes it even more townie. Are you not liking me townreading you?In post 792, Vedith wrote:
My feeling pressured was an out right lie though. I've said this already.In post 775, Pink Ball wrote:
Being honest on feeling pressured and I liked SSBF posts were he put a lot of effort to explain what his stances were.In post 772, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Chito: Can you expand on Vedith leantown?
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Ah yes I forgot that question. It's more like you're giving me OK2 vibes where you did nothing on D1 promising catch ups and then went full bananas after that.In post 799, Morality wrote:
Probably because I’m a lurk sack. I haven’t had the time to catch up.In post 791, Vedith wrote:
Yeah I'm not a fan of the Gamma voting.In post 769, Pink Ball wrote:By the way, the votecount is AWFUL, what's up with all the vanity votes? Is scum getting caught with that?
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
He hasn't done anything that's outside of NAI and he's a lazy push.
What I don't get with you Pink Ball is your Gamma read is gut and Mastina you seem to believe/put across that you have a valid Scum read yet vote Gamma.
That's most likely because Gamma is by far the easier lynch of the 2 and gives you a chance tomorrow to just say, well Mastina just isn't paired with Gamma on a town flip.
Infact I read every read of you're as a safety read.
Why's Morality Scumlean for you?
Low energy ping on whoever is scum reading me for inactivity. All I’mve done is my BNL push, which I’be explained very heavily. Even if I’m wrong, I feel like from what there was to go on at the point it was made, it was a good starting point.-
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Maybe I'm using "gut" wrong. It's more like a metaread that I can't explain too much, that has given me good results everytime. It's not the best of ways to read someone, but if it works, I can't help it and go for it.In post 801, Vedith wrote:
When people use gut and feel happy over it then that's lazy.In post 797, Pink Ball wrote:"He hasn't done anything that's outside of NAI and he's a lazy push"; first statement has nothing to do with my read on him. I've stated that I've read a lot of his games and I got a clean sheet reading him, so my gut read makes me comfortable. Saying it's a lazy push is your opinion, and I don't respect it 'cause I haven't seen much coming from you to value it.
About why Gamma and not mastina: I'm not getting a mastina lynch on D1. You don't lynch mastina on D1. Have you played with mastina before?
It shows you have no intention on sorting him to see if wrong or right.
I've played with Mastina yes. I've played with many people that don't tend to get lynched day 1. That would never stop me wanting to lynch them if their Scum to me.
Oh then we don't agree on how to play with mastina here. mastina has to be solved by PoE or by what is she trying to achieve, and you need some flips before having confidence in both of those two solutions.-
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???? In the post before this I said that this was the first time I replaced in a game, but then remembered it wasn't.In post 808, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Don't like this tbh, looks like overjustification (that's probably the wrong word but Idc)In post 738, Pink Ball wrote:Oh wait, the first game I played in this account was a replace in actually. And I was scum there. And I think that doesn't look like my entrance here actually-
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You're right, but I expect to not be the only one who feels the same way about him, so it's not about leading the lynch with my read. Sadly, I've got nothing betterIn post 809, Reasonably Psychotic wrote: "A metaread that you can't explain too much" is terrible and not the way to convince anyone to actually listen to you. I don't doubt that, if town, you wholly believe in this, I'm just letting you know that without anything to back up that conclusion, you're not doing yourself any favors leaving this metaread unexplained/unsubstantiated.-
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'Cause I'm an alt and I have played with you multiple times.In post 812, Gamma Emerald wrote: Okay my BS sensors went off when you mentioned reading my games. First off why the fuck are you doing that in the first place? Second it reminds me of Thor's push on me in You've Got Mail, and he was scum.-
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What's the difference? I've read a lot of games with you playing in them; that includes games I've been with and without you. In fact, the first game I ever played was with you in it, and I tryharded so badly there that I read a lot of your games to sort you out.In post 817, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why not say that then?In post 815, Pink Ball wrote:
'Cause I'm an alt and I have played with you multiple times.In post 812, Gamma Emerald wrote: Okay my BS sensors went off when you mentioned reading my games. First off why the fuck are you doing that in the first place? Second it reminds me of Thor's push on me in You've Got Mail, and he was scum.-
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Oh no no, I meant I've read them like in the past, not like I did it now to sort you.In post 820, Gamma Emerald wrote:Saying you read my games means you took extra time to do so
And which games did you read?
Can't tell that 'cause I don't want to out myself, but the last ones I read were OK2 and 8-ball.-
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Oh I thought that you were implying it was on a PM 'cause you said I should check your messages. Then I don't get the reference, sorryIn post 852, mastina wrote:
Nor would you, if my guess was right.In post 849, Pink Ball wrote:I have no PMs from you in my main-
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I didn't say you CAN'T lynch mastina on D1, I'm saying you SHOULDN'T. And in that game I didn't vote for you on D1, not even once, 'cause you would be solved after the worst's flip 'cause your motivations would be revealed after that, and you got lynched after the worst flipped town. So my point still stands: I'm not talking about lynching you on D1 is or isn't possible, I'm saying it's not optimal.In post 854, mastina wrote:
Funny you say that considering you almost did last time we played together--you fell one vote short, but theIn post 797, Pink Ball wrote:About why Gamma and not mastina: I'm not getting a mastina lynch on D1. You don't lynch mastina on D1. Have you played with mastina before?onlyreason you fell short is because the worst did a derp fakeclaim and got himself into trouble. I was at L-1 prior to that.
So you know it's possible; this excuse is utter bullshit.
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I'm trying as hard as I can to understand but I really don't think I'm the droid you're looking forIn post 855, mastina wrote:
The unidentified one. Are you the unidentified one? (That's a little more explicit.)In post 853, Pink Ball wrote:
Oh I thought that you were implying it was on a PM 'cause you said I should check your messages. Then I don't get the reference, sorryIn post 852, mastina wrote:
Nor would you, if my guess was right.In post 849, Pink Ball wrote:I have no PMs from you in my main-
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1. Not being in your games doesn't mean I don't know you whatsoeverIn post 864, mastina wrote:
Except that point can only come from that player with it making sense as coming from town.In post 863, Pink Ball wrote:So I'm the second player with that point, yay
Because that player is the only one who has the unique experiences required to generate that viewpoint as town.
You generating that point doesn't make sense as town, because there's no scummer in existence who has the game experience to justify that viewpoint other than the scummer who you aren't--I would know. I know my own fucking games and I know the players who have played in them. For the last year or so, I've been mentally tracking who's played in my recent games. Not only that, but also who knows my alts that I've played on versus who doesn't.
The only scummer who has played the games necessary for the viewpoint you hold is the person you're denying to be--and I believe you that you're not them. So the question would then be why you have that viewpoint, when the only person who could hold it...isn't you. The viewpoint thus is alignment indicative. The viewpoint makes sense coming from someone who is scum and doesn't want to directly confront me, and doesn't require you to be that person; ANYONE who is scum could hold that very same opinion for the very same reasoning.
2. Scum!Pink Ball replaces in and the first thing he does is 1v1 mastina?
3. Scum!Pink Ball says the truth and tells you that he's not the person you suspect I am that would make you townread me?
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1. Tired of this bullshit, I already explained my reasoning, you're just repeating yourself so I'll start doing the same if you keep doing it. I'm 100% making sense and saying that it's scum AI it's plain bullshit.In post 872, mastina wrote:
Sure! Knowing me's the problem.In post 866, Pink Ball wrote:1. Not being in your games doesn't mean I don't know you whatsoever
Knowing me means that you should be fucking lynching me.
There is ONE person, who you are not, that would have reason to not be lynching me with that scumread. Anyone else knowing me with a scumread? Pushes me.
That's my fucking point.In post 866, Pink Ball wrote:2. Scum!Pink Ball replaces in and the first thing he does is 1v1 mastina?
You're avoiding a 1v1, when.as townyou wouldn't be
I didn't explain the specifics until after you denied it--initially I didn't even say it'd be a townread. I said it'd change my read; I didn't say how. And then you denied it, I let on some but held back; you denied more, I revealed more. Only when it was outright refusal with good reason to believe that was accurate did I reveal it was a townread.In post 866, Pink Ball wrote:3. Scum!Pink Ball says the truth and tells you that he's not the person you suspect I am that would make you townread me?
2. I think more than half of my posts here are talking with you, I'M AVOIDING YOU? Bullshit again.
3. Oh, because how you stated at the begining didn't imply that you were going to change your read on me to a townread, yeah sure.
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She's waiting for the deadline to be closer so she doesn't get blamed when either of us flips town.In post 880, singletonking wrote:mastina, since you're scumreading Vedith and Pink Ball, why aren't you voting either?-
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I'm not as worried as you of being lynched, clearly. My flip is pretty good at this point to give info to more competent town like A50 and WisdomIn post 914, Vedith wrote:In post 913, Pink Ball wrote:I'm not being inconsistent.
You should vote me if I'm Scum because we're both at 5 \o/-
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I'm not scumreading Vedith, and I started scumreading you and Gamma when I replaced in. You were pushing Alisae, not me. Misrep at it's finestIn post 925, mastina wrote:
Went and checked and of the six people involved here (if you include me), he's scumreading half of them with a forth as null. The only townreads are Joan and Almost50, with Robert as the null; Gamma, Vedith, and myself are all scumreads.In post 912, Tatsuya Kaname wrote:Pink Ball(5)~ Gamma Emerald(66), Joan of Arc(29), Robert2424(15), Almost50(44), Vedith(41)
And incidentally.
How many of those reads were before the players in question pushed him?-
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Oh nice so my suspicions that mastina was scumreading my predecessors and has seen everything coming from me as scum just because of that is true. Nice thing to replace in and not get a chance to get read by what I have done instead of what Alisae did.
I already said like ten times that I wasn't going to explain my reads until I was caught up and I had no time that day 'cause my gf left to the US on monday and I spent the entire day with her and didn't want to distract myself with a game I wasn't even playing at that time. So yeah, I'm tired of this bullshit, I'm not going to put more effort into this so be free to lynch me, I don't give a fuck-
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