micro 858: silver 3 (ended game)

[schadd_]

oooh, you about to get your ass beat
for stealin that $20, like baby just ask me
mama said she loved loved loved us,
when the lights was off we had to stay with cousins
noname - diddy bop (with raury, cam o'bi)

Vote count 1.4

Jungle Medicine (2):

Iconeum, brassherald

Draco Lucky (2):

GeminiTwin12, Jungle Medicine

StarwingBeauvoi (1):

rosterfoster

Iconeum (1):

Vedith

brassherald (1):

Merry and Pippin

not voting (2):

StarwingBeauvoi, Draco Lucky

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends april 3rd at 12:45 central US time; in (expired on 2019-04-03 12:45:00)

mod notes

• skitter30 (merry & pippin) is VLA on fridays and saturdays
  
• iconeum is VLA on weekends
  
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[brassherald]

Then don't rely on it.

i didn't rely on it, that's why i said one line about meta & everything else was non-meta related. you're the one who ignored all the non-meta stuff & still won't address any of it even though i put it into a new post that doesn't use the word meta even once.

Okay, I legitimately missed that one as I was closing out files at this job, since my two weeks notice just became end of day.

UNVOTE: until I have a chance to read that one post.

[brassherald]

Then don't rely on it.

i didn't rely on it, that's why i said one line about meta & everything else was non-meta related. you're the one who ignored all the non-meta stuff & still won't address any of it even though i put it into a new post that doesn't use the word meta even once.

Okay, I legitimately missed that one as I was closing out files at this job, since my two weeks notice just became end of day.

UNVOTE: until I have a chance to read that one post.

End of week, rather. I wish it was end of day.

[u r a person 2]

why would icon townread you so strongly at this point in the game as to believe that you've caught both the scum "by the ballz"? yes it's possible that town icon townreads you but i'm not talking about what's possible, i'm talking about what's probable.

I don't know. I don't even know how strongly he held those reads at that point, but I also don't see why the post makes him scum.

can you find an example where you've seen a townie vote someone based on that person voting their other scumread? and even if you find an example, you're missing the point behind my analysis which is probabilities not possibilities. you're saying my analysis is bad because you can imagine possibilities where i'm wrong but that's not a counter-argument it's just how all analysis always works in mafia.

I think we see scum hunting differently, for sure. I also think that he voted roster because of the circumstances leading up to and including his vote on you, and not because he voted Icon's scum read. That wasn't a good reason because no one involved seemed to have any clue as to where the votes had actually been cast, but you're misrepresenting what happened here.

i'm talking about the probability based on my knowledge that i'm town that scum wouldn't know how to treat me given the way i'm playing this game. i think that's a fairly safe thing to say since i don't have any meta to check & i'm playing in ways that might seem scummy on the surface but have an underlying confidence behind them that tends to scare scum away from pushing a lynch too strongly. these are probabilities, not mere speculation. saying it's prone to "ego" or "error" applies to all analysis in mafia so i'm not sure why you're singling this out as special somehow.

ok

[Draco Lucky]

why would icon townread you so strongly at this point in the game as to believe that you've caught both the scum "by the ballz"? yes it's possible that town icon townreads you but i'm not talking about what's possible, i'm talking about what's probable.

I don't know. I don't even know how strongly he held those reads at that point, but I also don't see why the post makes him scum.

can you find an example where you've seen a townie vote someone based on that person voting their other scumread? and even if you find an example, you're missing the point behind my analysis which is probabilities not possibilities. you're saying my analysis is bad because you can imagine possibilities where i'm wrong but that's not a counter-argument it's just how all analysis always works in mafia.

I think we see scum hunting differently, for sure. I also think that he voted roster because of the circumstances leading up to and including his vote on you, and not because he voted Icon's scum read. That wasn't a good reason because no one involved seemed to have any clue as to where the votes had actually been cast, but you're misrepresenting what happened here.

i'm talking about the probability based on my knowledge that i'm town that scum wouldn't know how to treat me given the way i'm playing this game. i think that's a fairly safe thing to say since i don't have any meta to check & i'm playing in ways that might seem scummy on the surface but have an underlying confidence behind them that tends to scare scum away from pushing a lynch too strongly. these are probabilities, not mere speculation. saying it's prone to "ego" or "error" applies to all analysis in mafia so i'm not sure why you're singling this out as special somehow.

ok

-U2 rip

[Merry and Pippin]

Europe2

[Jungle Medicine]

I think we see scum hunting differently, for sure. I also think that he voted roster because of the circumstances leading up to and including his vote on you, and not because he voted Icon's scum read. That wasn't a good reason because no one involved seemed to have any clue as to where the votes had actually been cast, but you're misrepresenting what happened here.

people knew where the votes had been cast, the misunderstanding was on your part. roster was talking about leading the wagon that i was a part of, not on leading the wagon on me, which you misinterpreted. then you suggested roster vote me. roster voted me. that's the exchange. the entire thing is laid out in my case so that there's no confusion on anyone's part. i didn't misrepresent what i literally put in the case in full to avoid that accusation.

but it's okay you're scum who didn't read my case with the depth of analysis that a townie U2 would have, and now you will hang for it.

[GeminiTwin12]

Gemini I feel like you're ignoring me

I just saw 454, if that's what you're talking about, if not what I miss?

[Merry and Pippin]

I think 506 makes JM town

[Merry and Pippin]

Gemini I feel like you're ignoring me

I just saw 454, if that's what you're talking about, if not what I miss?

I dunno. What's your read on me and why?

[Draco Lucky]

@JM It wasn't me that misunderstood what happened. Yes, slaxx, my slot, had no idea where the votes were at the time of this exchange, but I am quite clear.

Icon voted roster here and for this reason

Spoiler:

yeah you’re right.

VOTE: Jungle

We could also just lynch scum

VOTE: rosterfoster

On the Phone so i'll make it brief:

Roster opens with RVS vote on me, later tries to get credit for 'leading the wagon' on me, only to be called out by Draco that it's prolly a bad idea to be on a wagon containing Jungle which indicates Roster should be scumreading Jungle. After this callout Roster switches votes to Jungle (being directed there by Draco instead of coming to that Obvious conclusion himself).

It gives me a feeling that Draco's got a scumteam of Jungle and Roster by the ballz (including Draco's push on Jungle re the 3 conf town he mentioned)

As it stands right now, lynching in Jungle or Roster

He's refering to this exchange between Slaxx and roster:

Spoiler:

Bit harsh. I’m the one leading your wagon.

You're not voting him

-Slaxx

The wagon he is on.

The wagon he is on.

Oh.

I wouldn't be voting anyone he is voting.

-Slaxx

yeah you’re right.

VOTE: Jungle

In the above exchange, both slaxx and roster believe that roster is voting WITH you

But you were voting for Roster, and Roster was voting for Iconeum (10)

and roster didn't realize mistake until posts 64 and 65

And Iconeum's read, as I pointed out, does not seem to indicate that he understood this mistake

-U2

[Draco Lucky]

And I don't even want to be arguing with you because you are likely town, but you're vocal and you're pushing bad cases, and it's making this game more difficult for me

-U2

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I already did. I also consider it pretty empty (based solely on meta and assumptions about me). Especially since (I think) I never played with that slot before.
Why do you think my case on roster is illogical?

Not thoroughly illogical, but quoting Roster's vote on Jungle while voting Roster and claiming they are a team is somewhat odd. What is the basis of thinking they are a team?
Looking at Jungle after a break, his argument is bad, but still explain yours. Please?
Or do you have the same reads now?

Still reading. Starwing will fly away very soon to talk with humans.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Jungle's assumptions about how Ico would play were the worst bit.

you also tend to think you know who alts are so you probably think i'm someone who i'm not & that's probably biasing your read in ways that i don't have a grasp on yet.

Does he know my other self?

Nah.

VOTE: brassherald

Townreads here are wrong btw

Why? Need reasons.

I feel like more of a spectator than I do and actual player

Spectate, spectate. Wonder why?

[GeminiTwin12]

Gemini I feel like you're ignoring me

I just saw 454, if that's what you're talking about, if not what I miss?

I dunno. What's your read on me and why?

Feeling town, I'm not getting a real strong sense of manipulation from the posts so far.

[GeminiTwin12]

what the fuck am i supposed to do to prove i'm town? i'm one of the most active players in the game, i've been putting out more analysis about the game than anyone else in the game except hydras who i can't compete with because it's two fucking players in one, and i'm still scum? how the fuck do you come to this conclusion RC?

This could be legit frustration, but I could also see it as scum who feels like they're being scum read for the wrong reasons. Except I don't really think scum!JM would have cause to feel like he's being scum read for bad reasons in this case?

-U2

Yeah, I could see that, getting

some

vibes of that. Could really be an overconfident townie.

i'm not an academic or lawyer brass & i'm especially not one of those things when i play mafia so no i'm not going to cite evidence for everything i say.

and why are you still ignoring all the non-meta analysis?

For future reference, can you at least try to jot down game numbers, something. Makes it easier on everyone and it also keeps people from critically questioning your argument.

I think 506 makes JM town

I'd say potential to be, still have them in the middle of my pool.

[rosterfoster]

Sorry I’ve been busy today. Will talk more tomorrow.

[Jungle Medicine]

UNVOTE:

[Iconeum]

vedith because there's literally nothing scummy in the posts, both content and intent wise.

Nothing pings you about 338?

No, actually.

-U2

can you bus icon please? i don't think i'll be able to get him lynched without your help.

Maybe you are having trouble getting me lynched because you got caught in a lie/fake statement?

[Merry and Pippin]

vedith because there's literally nothing scummy in the posts, both content and intent wise.

Nothing pings you about 338?

No, actually.

-U2

can you bus icon please? i don't think i'll be able to get him lynched without your help.

Maybe you are having trouble getting me lynched because you got caught in a lie/fake statement?

clarify this?

[Iconeum]

Bit harsh. I’m the one leading your wagon.

You're not voting him

-Slaxx

The wagon he is on.

The wagon he is on.

Oh.

I wouldn't be voting anyone he is voting.

-Slaxx

yeah you’re right.

VOTE: Jungle

This is the exchange that screams roster is scum, to me.

[Iconeum]

What do you need clarification on?

My no answer about Vedith is pretty Obvious
I'm calling Jungle out for either lying or faking the meta statement. This is actually the second time this game he does smt like that. First with his 3 conftown players that he backed away from after being questioned, and now with the meta case.

[Iconeum]

After that exchange from roster that I posted a few posts ago, he attacks me in 215. Basicly saying i'm scum because i vote him instead of Jungle who already had a couple votes. Links me to Jungle as buddie

and again in 221

It takes him until 249 to actually vote me, however as soon as 264 he completely drops his attention on me and votes starwing without explanation (the popular wagon at that time). Only reasoning here is because game was stalling

Every single next post he made is fluff, non-game related and unhelpfull. Like he doesn't even care about his scumread on me AND jungle anymore

[Iconeum]

I feel roster is the correct lynch here. Him flipping scum would give town points to Jungle imo.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: Roster