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VOTE: ofrhz The way you voted was very scummy.
It's the same reasoning as last game.In post 17, skitter30 wrote:not even remotely
it was a pretty standard first-vote rvs vote imo and i don't know what about it you're finding scummy
Hi
Actually, there's no reason. UNVOTE:
Sheeping is good. VOTE: Baezu
Agreed.In post 44, GuiltyLion wrote: there's no better way to get out of RVS than a good ol fashioned wagon
I don't understand this philosophy as relates to mafia. We'll rarely have proof that someone's mafia.In post 56, insomnia wrote:Inno until proven guilty, there’s nothing relevant for me to join / support this wagon
People still do make jokes in RVS. In my opinion, what you posted was lacking town more than it was full of scum.In post 59, Baezu wrote:Got it. I haven’t been on this site in awhile and back when I used to play players would crack random jokes during rvs- I see that times have changed and I’m trying to learn the new meta. I absolutely agree with you that random jokes don’t help drive the game forward, but considering it’s page 2 I figured, why not?In post 50, GuiltyLion wrote:yes, vaguely. it's play that doesn't generate any information. why aren't you trying to generate information? There were lots of posts you could have done something with, 9, 11, 12, 16. those are all potential starting points for engagement (or a vote) and moving out of RVS. the fact that you chose to vote elsewhereIn post 45, Baezu wrote:So you think it’s scummy to not place a vote on the people who had already posted?In post 40, GuiltyLion wrote:several people had already posted, you didn't engage with any of them or any of the page 1 content, instead voting somebody who hadn't gotten to the thread yetwith an explanation that pinged me as awkwardand the way that you justified it(you also left my bolded here out of your question) looks page 1 scummy to me, yes.
And fwiw I was never good at getting out of RVS
Speaking of Maria, who else hasn’t made a post yet?
I don't think that's a scum thing to do though. I do it all the time.In post 64, insomnia wrote:RVS = random voting stage ???
Ummm yeah? This is why I don’t scum hunt in RVS. This is why I vote people who stack up in rvs, especially without stating a reason for it
This post is weird. VOTE: insomnia You seem to have completely changed gears here, and I don't understand why.In post 71, insomnia wrote:I have no time for banter, call me when we get over useless stuff.
Push lurkers.
Yes, but now this is my main. I'm not using my old account anymore. I didn't have a ton of experience before, so I consider myself still somewhat inexperienced.In post 73, insomnia wrote:Tris, not related to anything you’ve done in the game but
Are you an alt?
Maybe I was speaking to strong; looking back it does seem a bit more in line with how he was posting before, but it's the sudden backing off of his push on roster, and out of a discussion which at this point was definitely not RVS anymore.In post 78, Baezu wrote:How do you feel he’s changed gears?In post 74, tris wrote:This post is weird. VOTE: insomnia You seem to have completely changed gears here, and I don't understand why.In post 71, insomnia wrote:I have no time for banter, call me when we get over useless stuff.
Push lurkers.
Replace roster with your name, and there's your answer.In post 80, insomnia wrote:I wasn’t even looking to get roster lynched. I use voting as a pressuring tool.In post 74, tris wrote:This post is weird. VOTE: insomnia You seem to have completely changed gears here, and I don't understand why.In post 71, insomnia wrote:I have no time for banter, call me when we get over useless stuff.
Push lurkers.
In post 43, insomnia wrote:Stacking votes in rvs on someone without posts is scummy tho
Plus, he mentioned “The Lion is onto something” not “I agree with GL’s read”, huge difference.
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Do you townread Baezu?In post 86, insomnia wrote:Focus on other people, you’re wasting your time. I guarantee. You’re targeting two towns right now.
I'd say I more simply don't have much in the way of reads yet. I'm trying to find them.In post 90, insomnia wrote:Baezu is town
Tris is town but has bad reads
Gl probs town has bad reads
Move on
I did it to see how much her meta lined up with what she was saying in 59.In post 95, Elbirn wrote:You meta'd someone on page 3 about their RVS behavior?In post 72, tris wrote:I took a look at some of Baezu's games, and her RVS's there seem pretty consistent with how she was here. Even sometimes when there was more relevant content to react to. UNVOTE:
I think I'm leaning towards this with respect to insomnia.In post 111, Elbirn wrote:Insomnia is overly defensive but probably town
Rooster had a weird entry to the thread and I dont know why THAT wasnt the reason for insomnia's vote.
I get the impression that insomnia is enthusiastic tryhardy newbtown who demands substance for everything but he'll grow out of it I hope. I dont really agree with his reasoning but i get it from a newbtown perspective
Why do you think she leaves me out if she's scum?In post 124, GuiltyLion wrote:like if you're trying to townblock then tris should be in your townblock IMO, the fact that she wasn't is mildly sus
This is strange to say when you'd only expressed one read at this point.In post 125, Baezu wrote:Maria- GL is town, moving onIn post 118, GuiltyLion wrote:well at this point he has explicitly stated that he did:In post 117, Elbirn wrote:Or why you think that he "saw what you did".and since his post 30 is consistent with this explanation, I don't see a reason to disbelieve that.In post 46, rosterfoster wrote:Ya. I thought the same when I read it so I was happy when you had the same reasonsIn post 40, GuiltyLion wrote:several people had already posted, you didn't engage with any of them or any of the page 1 content, instead voting somebody who hadn't gotten to the thread yet with an explanation that pinged me as awkward
I would say it's far more important to argue for scumreads than townreads right now. If you think rooster's scum because you think he's tonally awkward, the responsibility is on you to vote him and make your case to everyone else. I'm not interested in giving reasons for my townread, I expect you will argue with them and the result will be to drag this game into a noisy disagreement that's of no real value. further, he has ~75% odds of being town in the objective sense, so to calling him scum is the claim that's less likely to be true by default and the one that requires justification.In post 117, Elbirn wrote:Why are you townreading him exactly?
unless/until rooster's at risk of lynch, my focus is on finding scum, not defending town.
Also, are you planning on supporting any of your reads?
In other news- I’d like to hear more from the people who have made less than 5 posts please.
She voted for GL in the post before.In post 134, Invisibility wrote:who is the other valid voteIn post 120, MariaR wrote:Insomnia and ofrhz are town.
Rooster is towny
Invisibility is a valid vote as well
hm well, that was easy.
This post feels towny.In post 135, Invisibility wrote:i feel like someone comes out scummy in this gl elbirn thing but my mind literally cannot compute whats happeenenign
When you asked this, did you think I was serious?In post 27, GuiltyLion wrote:actually sorry, on second thought
VOTE: Baezu
tris your vote is still bad though
By the way, what I was referring to there was a vote I made in RVS in my last game where I simply said "This is scum" with no actual reasons to back it up.In post 146, GuiltyLion wrote:kinda yeah
like I thought the vote was serious even if you were being jokey about it, especially cause you referred to a prior game and didn't move it
but then I thought for a minute and figured you would be less likely to open so forwardly as scum and it was generating info, that's why I switched
This is what I said when you asked me in that game.In post 152, skitter30 wrote:this one?In post 20, tris wrote:It's the same reasoning as last game.
Spoiler:
i could've have sworn that we had a convo about this post last game but i skimmed the first seven pages or so of that game and i can't find your reasoning for it; were you reaction testing there?
if that's what you were doing here did you get any reads out of it?
To me it feels more like trying to understand Gl's read on her by asking about a similar case.ngl this kinda feels like you're trying to redirect gl's attention off of your meh rvs entrance onto elbirn's meh rvs entrance
I think I might. But, I haven't had experience as scum that counts for much, so I don't know.idk if scum!tris goes out of her way to meta beazu's past games in order to justify a p3 unvoteIn post 72, tris wrote:I took a look at some of Baezu's games, and her RVS's there seem pretty consistent with how she was here. Even sometimes when there was more relevant content to react to. UNVOTE:
Yeah, I've come around on this.so based on 80, i think that *insomnia* thinks that votes should be used to pressure people - he initially voted roster to pressure him over his beazu vote, but once the convo had moved on from there, he felt like his vote wasn't really doing much useful in that context, and moved off. i don't think that looked at from this pov the backing off is particularly suspiciousIn post 83, tris wrote:Maybe I was speaking to strong; looking back it does seem a bit more in line with how he was posting before, but it's the sudden backing off of his push on roster, and out of a discussion which at this point was definitely not RVS anymore.
What's scum about that?vizzy you're kinda pinging me as scum rnIn post 134, Invisibility wrote:who is the other valid voteIn post 120, MariaR wrote:Insomnia and ofrhz are town.
Rooster is towny
Invisibility is a valid vote as well
hm well, that was easy.
I don't think this is fair on day 1. People can be independently scummy.In post 158, GuiltyLion wrote: If he's not thinking about associatives between his two scumreads he's not really playing the game.especiallyas he's moving from one to another
Yeah, I think this one of GL's more dubious cases.In post 154, ofrhz wrote:A few of GL’s pushes come off as a bit reachy so far. This quote is good exampleIn post 137, GuiltyLion wrote: also unpack this for me: what do you think the interactions are between rooster and I, S-T or S-S?
like
- do you think we're scum together and we decided to open with him sheeping me, then us mutually agreeing it was a good vote? why is that likely, especially considering how unlikely it is a priori that we're both scum?
- do you think he's scum sheeping misguided town!me?
- do you think I'm scum and he's the misguided town? in which case your reasons for scumreading him were wrong to begin with?
I'm not really seeing which of any of these makes sense from a town!you.
At this point in the game, it’s fairly common for people to focus on coming up with independent scumreads (and for these scumreads to change later) and not really think about partners or the scumteam together. With this in mind, I don't see why the two bolded lines can't make sense?
This push seems reasonable on a superficial level but doesn't come off as arguing in good faith
VOTE: GuiltyLion
Why this vote?
I'm curious about your reads on Baezu and Insomnia.Invisibility wrote:uh
Town -
Townlean - Elbirn, tris, GuiltyLion, rosterfoster, Baezu
Null - skitter30, Enigma, ofrhz, MariaR
Scumlean - Insomnia, volxen, Yes Mafia
Scum -
I can post reasons later when I don’t want to conserve battery but a lot of it is how I felt when reading posts i think trusting my gut is a more rational thing than I used to think so I’m not just straight up denyingg less concrete reads.
You wanna say more? VOTE: Yes MafiaIn post 185, Yes Mafia wrote:I think theres scum in at least 1 of insomnia/gl/rooster/skittles
What are you so confused about?In post 206, Baezu wrote:Elbirn- are you and I the only ones writing more than three words in our posts? What’s going on here town?
Is there a reason you'd like to share now?In post 130, MariaR wrote: Maybe I left tris out for a reason.
I'm kind of thinking it's town. I've never seen scum!elbirn though.elbirn this bit is reminding me a bit of last game where you were having a hard time with ank because you couldn't understand her solve or where she was coming fromIn post 176, Elbirn wrote:And I think that's largely where we are at. I'm having difficulty seeing where you're coming from on this because, stating the obvious, you and I have radically different play styles, and I've attributed you making a mountain out of a molehill to being disingenuous when no you're just like this.
i guess the difference between that game and this game is that here you seem so much more .... frustrated? angrier almost? and i'm not sure where this is stemming from
I was unsatisfied with 185 and wanted to push em to say more.a) why are you voting yes mafia rn?
I just don't want a quick lynch. Also I don't necessarily scumread Yes. I just wanted to put pressure on em. Didn't realize there were so many votes already.b) this post feels like you want to keep the numbers on the wagon up but don't want to be held responsible for a lynch happening
You know it's not L-1.In post 220, insomnia wrote:I agree with MariaR, but YM voted for a no-lynch and then voted to lynch me when I was being pressured
Why’d you do that YM?
Skitter, I’ve been playing since the middle of february on site and off-site I have a lot of years of Town of Salem
This is going to be one of my bad games cuz I got tunneled and I couldn’t focus on actual scum
YM is a good vote for the simple reason that he’s far scummier than I am and for the that no-lynch vote followed by mine.
Aleo, his scum reads are pretty bad and he has only 3 posts if I’m not mistaken
It is town’s job to get rid of the scummiest town and it is scum’s job to get rid of the towniest.
I’ll wait 24 hrs for a claim from Ym and then I’m voting.
In post 232, ofrhz wrote:I'm not townreading skitter yet, which is concerning
This makes sense to me based on the game I played with her recently, and what I've seen of her elsewhere. I did get slight townpings off of a post earlier, but I would like to see something a bit more. She is a player I want to townread because she's a good town player.In post 234, ofrhz wrote:Long summary short is that she would be posting more frequently and engaging directly with people in a real-time manner if she were town
This seems town.In post 245, Elbirn wrote:I dont really feel like it
Which is probably a hint that I need to try harder
I dont actually have confidence in anyone being scum
Just a bunch of fledgling townreads and lurkers I want to talk more
I originally was making a vote for you, but in the preview I saw Yes come in, and I edited it.In post 266, Invisibility wrote:why did tris vote melike thisand not unvote
I voted volxen because he shaded someone early then did jack s word
I agree with this list mostly. I'm a bit lower on skitter though. I wouldn't call her very likely town.In post 284, GuiltyLion wrote:I got tris/roster/elbirn/ofrhz/skitter as very likely town
I am a bit worried about that myself, but I unsure of where else to go at the moment.In post 294, Elbirn wrote:.....Eh.
Playing poorly =/= being scum
I want to lynch the latter, not people who are guilty of the former.
Your idea is well intentioned but I can already imagine that YM is going to be the inevitable low charisma/lurker/"Bad at mafia" Day 1 "Compromise" lynch (tm) and I'd rather spend this day phase....not on that.
You're already voting em...In post 295, insomnia wrote:YM you have (expired on 2019-04-07 01:02:59) to claim
Or I’m giving you the almighty hammer
This seems like an easy vote to make.In post 331, Baezu wrote:Oooo really not liking this post.In post 295, insomnia wrote:YM you have (expired on 2019-04-07 01:02:59) to claim
Or I’m giving you the almighty hammer
1) you’re already voting him
2) you can’t hammer because he’s at L-2.
So basically you’re just trying to out a role claim?!
Not cool, my esteemed friend
VOTE: insomnia
My unvote was more of a reaction to seeing that I had accidentally put Yes at L-1 without realizing it and without announcing it. I wasn't opposed to it being brought to L-1 as long as people are aware of the fact.In post 336, skitter30 wrote:yeah so like this is the bit that i'm having trouble withIn post 222, tris wrote:I just don't want a quick lynch. Also I don't necessarily scumread Yes. I just wanted to put pressure on em. Didn't realize there were so many votes already.
Yes is in a pile of nulls that I want to sort.
i don't get why you're ok with being on his l-2 wagon but not with being on his l-1 wagon if you want to presure him. if your'e just going to unvote if he gets to l-1 it kinda mitigates the pressure on him since you've broadcasted that you're going to unovte if another vote happens
That was L-2.In post 340, skitter30 wrote:In post 266, Invisibility wrote:why did tris vote melike thisand not unvote
I voted volxen because he shaded someone early then did jack s wordvizzy you're votes this game are all really awkward. and like awkwardly timed too.In post 271, Invisibility wrote:ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
VOTE: yes
don’t claim or I will suck your shoes like pasta
you just placed him at l-1 here (after saying you were willing to hammer) - why are you telling him not to claim? if you want him lynched i think it would be a lot better to get a claim first. if you're telling him not to claim because you dont' want the wagon to get lynched why did you l-1 him?
Because Yes was around while enigma wasn't.In post 345, skitter30 wrote:isn't your vote on yes mafia basically a pressure vote? what's the difference between voting yes mafia and engima rnIn post 296, tris wrote:I am a bit worried about that myself, but I unsure of where else to go at the moment.
I don't think Enigma is a good vote. Either they'll show up and produce content to read, or they'll be replaced.
Explain? Because I really disagree with this one.In post 358, Enigma wrote: i sr gl
In post 368, insomnia wrote:With that vote on me, he can get lynched as well
So, you're changing your read on Baezu?In post 369, insomnia wrote:Looking at his iso he’s more of a fence-sitter, he’s not game solving but rather he’s asking people questions to estabilish if that person’s push will come off as suspicious for him, he’s just waiting to pounce on someone
YM still a better lynch though
I don't understand what you're saying in these two.In post 381, Baezu wrote: Enigma- yikes! Now I see what insomnia was talking about...this post is scary (among others)
Insomnia- he’s a great player and I totally thought he was town...am I misreading or misinterpreting that post? I know you were trying to explain it to me but I didn’t understand the explanation...
Not that early.In post 425, skitter30 wrote:were you ok with lynching him at that time?In post 370, tris wrote:My unvote was more of a reaction to seeing that I had accidentally put Yes at L-1 without realizing it and without announcing it. I wasn't opposed to it being brought to L-1 as long as people are aware of the fact.
So, you think insomnia is faking this stance? I've gotten the sense that it's genuine. But, do you have meta contradicting that? If there is a scum attempting to clog the thread with theory discussion, I would think it would be Enigma.In post 445, rosterfoster wrote:Btw Skitter I do not ever recall having seen this type of convo with Insomnia before (Insomnia/Alts if you can point me to a time town you said the same I'll think), so I think it's beyond a disagreement over theory.
She's voting for Enigma.In post 473, skitter30 wrote:if you think it's a scum-driven wagon why are you voting there ...?In post 456, Baezu wrote:I think there is at least one scum between volxen, tris and invisibility. Of these, which do you think is the scum?
What does the bolded mean?In post 485, MariaR wrote: I'm at one of Invis/Imson with high high thinking of it being Invis because of invis postingand GL interactions GL/tris.
Why are people added to it then? Were you townreading Baezu and then you stopped?In post 509, Performer wrote:They're basically people I don't townread
You're probably right.In post 517, rosterfoster wrote:I think I say this stuff as scum.In post 476, tris wrote:Skitter has been saying a lot of stuff I agree with. She might be town.