911: What's Your Emergency? (Postgame)

[MariaR]

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[MariaR]

VOTE: GuiltyLion
*yawn*

[MariaR]

Insomnia and ofrhz are town.
Rooster is towny
Invisibility is a valid vote as well
hm well, that was easy.

[MariaR]

Why do you think I should be talking about tris out of all the people in the playerlist?

[MariaR]

she's one of the more active slots and several of your townreads have stated townreads on her

so I don't know why she was left out

And? I don't see how this is relevant. You can be active/have a lot of posts and not have a read on a player. I'm not saying I don't have a read on tris but the way you're going at this is strange.

like if you're trying to townblock then tris should be in your townblock IMO, the fact that she wasn't is mildly sus

I never said I was trying to townblock nor was I. I don't see why if my townreads have tris as a townread that I must have her in a townblock. Why is she not being in there sus to you? You're acting like if I townread x and x townreads y I should townread Y. Sometimes that theory is decent if you have a lot of games with them or it's really late into the game but this early is just ???

[MariaR]

Maria- GL is town, moving on
Also, are you planning on supporting any of your reads?

This statement is so ironic that I laughed a little thank you. Imson posting is obv town, the wagon on him was trash. ofthz I had a mindmeld with. Not explaining the rooster read for reasons. Invis early posts are really bad along with his vote on Imson.
Why I voted Guilty? Well where's the fun in explaining that one so soon

[MariaR]

if you have a read then give it. you can pressure me about why I'm asking for it and still give it at the same time - why are you being cagey about it?

Mostly because I find this way of interaction much more entertaining than the simple black and white way you play the game. Not that playing the game ina black and white manner is a bad thing per se. I just find this way more interesting. You said you find me not putting tris in my reads list sus right? Why'd you vote Elbirn then? Shouldn't you be voting me?

you gave townreads, why else give those if not to start working to form a consensus of townread players. if you weren't trying to townblock then what were you doing?

A lot of people already seemed invested in the game and I'm not the type to just jump in randomly. So I wanted to give some townreads to get some reactions and get talk going. I'm not going to give you a 20-page essay on why you should tr the people I tr. I like everyone getting there own set of reads at first to see who I can poke and prod about it later. It's hard to poke at people if they just say 'oh I agree with x reasoning on y'

yes, I generally believe this to be good play. if you don't townread Y then you should be talking to x about it.

most of all I just feel like tris is a game-relevant read, both because she's done Stuff TM this game and because you have townreads on players townreading her. I truly don't get why you left her out.

Sure I can see where you're coming from.
Maybe I left tris out for a reason. Let's keep letting tris do 'her stuff' if the people I tr want to keep tring her go for it. I'll just keep doing my thing.

[MariaR]

I doubt I could get GL lynched today so I'm gonna move onto someone else who I do think I have a chance at getting lynched.
VOTE: Invis

[MariaR]

Ok yeah tris is prob scum. Yes mafia feels like the easy wagon for scum to push for a ml

[MariaR]

Yeah, I was scumreading you most in the game but considering you were one of the active players who was getting tr I wanted to see you post a bit more. Pretty simple

[MariaR]

Will be able to post tomorrow. Just got done with testing I'm drained.

[MariaR]

Ok team if I don't catch up tonight I'm scum

[MariaR]

I don't think anyone really cares if I catch up from 10 pages ago but you're gonna get it anyway.

[MariaR]

What were you scum reading me for at that point?

You’re posting a lot and I certainly agree with others that you’re active, but I don’t agree that the posts you make are towny. I think what you’ve posted was decent questions that led to no where. Along with some of your recent posting that I just feel like is opportunistic stances.

I'm actually fine with the Yes Mafia wagon despite not being on it

I can understand the reluctance around not putting him at L-1 so early though, since that puts them in claim and lolhammer territory

Still tr'ing tris

I don’t think anyone minds a Yes Mafia wagon. And that’s the problem. His posting is just bland the one thing he made was saying scum was in a group of people that a lot of people are tring. I’m looking at the actions around Yes Mafia instead of at him. Because if we look at him you won’t see much and prob want to wagon him. Yet he’s not really as scummy as people are trying to make him out to be. What I see is an obvious mislynch. Maybe a bus, but I don’t think so at this point.

Ok yeah tris is prob scum. Yes mafia feels like the easy wagon for scum to push for a ml

Like what's actually wrong with jumping on a wagon?

I felt that was townie.

The way people go onto wagons and the reasoning they give all depend on if jumping on the wagon was towny or not. The way people went on Yes Mafia really game was not towny to me.

It’s town’s job to get rid of scum. Telling apart scummy town from scum is the most important job.

I want to revive your original wagon which should never have disappeared.

No, getting rid of mislynch bait, which scum want alive, is what town should do. Remember there is a possibility this is just scum. You'd argue on this with "he is so scummy that he must be town" which is plain dumb. look at his iso and tell me it's not scummy af.

tell me if you want this to get in lylo and fuck up all of your reads with only one post

tell me you want YM to place naked votes everyday without giving any reasons for them

people read lurking and scummy behavior as town on this website, which I can't get behind, sadly

So do you think Yes Mafia is mislynch bait or we're hitting scum? If he's mislynch bait who's the scum on the wagon if anyone? You can't fence sit on this stance no sir.

Few pages down a lot to go

[MariaR]

yes mafia has outgrown his smooth lynch shoes imo

what’s he at will it be hammer

Insomnia is currently a what read

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
VOTE: yes
don’t claim or I will suck your shoes like pasta

See this? This is a really bad way of jumping onto a wagon. It’s a way of leading up to joining said wagon and trying to find a reason to do so without mindlessly jumping on. If Invis was really confident about a Yes mafia vote he’d have played this another way. Instead, we have the really bad vote missed in with fake ‘oh I don’t know guys’ vibes.

I got tris/roster/elbirn/ofrhz/skitter as very likely town

volxen I wanna think is town but his townreading me was almost a little too on the nose and I wanna see some scumreads. could maybe swap with skitter but skitter has been at least unwinding some other threads in addition to hardcore townreading/defending me as well
invis I've liked his reads so far, mindmelding on read of the game feels town-indicative
insomnia has had a few genuine sounding posts
baezu has felt kinda buddy-ish at times but some of the being lost/passive vibes pure to me and not a scum front

none of those four are totally out of scum range, just not where I want to look for now. wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong on one or a couple of them

MariaR/Yes Mafia feel like good scum candidates

Enigma isn't readable at this point

This feels like posting just for the sake of posting. His reasoning is pretty bland if you look at it. Because it’s really easy to say: ‘x is doing what I’m doing at times so prob town’ The other 2 reads are fence sitting town reads that he can easily flip back on when GL gets a mislynch and needs to go back on a dif vote. Hell he even admits it in the bottom half that makes it easier.
Then you have me and yes mafia as his scum candidates when we’ve barely had any posting.

VOTE: Enigma

come play

Top it off with the worst vote he could’ve made. On the ‘unreadable slot’ voting someone to put pressure on them isn’t going to help make someone catch up faster. It’ll just rush them. If GL was town here he’d be voting me or Yes Mafia explaining why others should join. Hell if he voted me here I’d prob of tr it, but no. He did this awful play

Ah shit, I think Enigma might be scum

Go on. Nothing they posted felt that AI to me yet.

[MariaR]

YM if you vote enigma I'm keeping you alive for today

Posts like this make me want to vote insomnia but then I look at interactions with Invis and go. ‘Yeah that’s prob not svs’ 1 scum in the 2 is where I’m at. Because to me Enigmas posting isn’t that bad. The way he’s trying to play YM on Enigma is bad though.

I’m not going to quote all of skitters posts on page 14, but they’re good posts the stances they have are well thought out as well.

why are you townreading tris?
i think that her vote on the wagon was quite awful and indicative of trying to ensure that the wagon stayed within lynch-range

I didn’t really see her vote that way

I think she voted to keep up the pressure on someone who was periodically popping in but not being very towny. I can see why she unvoted at L-1 to avoid a lolhammer or something, but I generally agree with not backing down from pressuring a wagon when the person being wagoned hasn’t towned it up (so her unvoting at L-1 but revoting to put yes at L-2 makes sense to me). I think her vote on yes also tracks with her statements that she had a bunch of null reads but no strong scumreads at the time.

I think she’s town because a lot of her thoughts mirror mine to the point where I think they’re unlikely to be faked

I think you believe this post and you’re probably town orfhz, but I don’t think you should’ve posted this and let tris talk a bit herself then saying something like this. Mostly because it gives her something to fall back on.

Enigma looks like he’s trying to get massive town points for defending someone that shouldn’t even be defended

Oh you’re gonna love my posting then. Does this make me scum too?

Thinking enigma is town

VOTE: invis

Good vote!
I'm at one of Invis/Imson with high high thinking of it being Invis because of invis posting and GL interactions GL/tris.
I know tris and GL won't be lynched today
VOTE: Invis
I think my vote was here anyway but just in case

[MariaR]

Alright all caught up. That was fun

[MariaR]

Oh you’re gonna love my posting then. Does this make me scum too?

If you defend Ym, then yeah, you can get lynched as well

Guess I'm defending YM then.
Pedit:The bolded means I think you and GL are scum. Along with the fact I think GL interactions with invis are SvS

[MariaR]

VOTE: tris

[MariaR]

I don't really scumread skitter but the only reason I an recultant is because a lot of the stances they have are the same as mine. I guess if they flip town I'm prob on the right track whereas if they're scum I'm awfully wrong so I'm not that sad about the lynch.

[MariaR]

What is Skitter at? L2 or L1?

[MariaR]

You know what?
I trust you both
VOTE: Skitter

[MariaR]

Baezu wagon why?

[MariaR]

Oh I'd love to see this case.

[MariaR]

Never said that. I just don't know why they're a wagon

[MariaR]

VOTE: Invis More later

[MariaR]

VOTE: MariaR

Come out and play

Your wish is my command~

[MariaR]

People that are on the Inviz wagon should be on Maria. Here's why:

The night kill gives everything away. Volxen is a low activity poster and there's no reason to take him out, unless you feel like he is going to suspect you after the flip.

Here's what scum lost the chance at by killing Volxen : Shading roster of being maf

Anyone that wants to throw suspicion on somebody knows that this is the rational move to make. Keep volxen alive. Roster looked hella bad post-flip.

So, the conclusion is that scum were afraid volxen was going to out them if he was kept alive. And then you check volxen's iso and notice his case is revolved around the fact that Baezu put maria as a scum lean but agreed she should be a protected by a PR on the first night, although he called her scum.

There's no reason for a scum to kill Volxen in this scenario, unless volxen poked in the right spot. Scum!Maria made a trade-off, kill volxen but you can't lynch roster. It would've made no sense to kill volxen in here if we're talking about anyone other than the people that he suspected. I'm sure anyone in here wouldn't kill Volxen because they know he's a low poster and he doesn't have a huge impact on the game because of that.

So, the nk was made because Volxen found last scum. Miss Maria over here, to be precise.

Sheep me my dear friends, game's solved.

What a cute little case you got here just for me! It'll be even more fun breaking it apart. You put so much work into it as well I almost feel bad

almost

The night kill gives everything away. Volxen is a low activity poster and there's no reason to take him out, unless you feel like he is going to suspect you after the flip.

You have no idea that he was gonna suspect me. No one does so this logic doesn't really apply to just anyone. Also, a 'low activity' poster (we'll get to that in a bit) like myself, it'd be suicide for me to kill Volxex. I'm not in the town core. 1 scum is alive. I can not afford if I'm scum to kill a low poster like Volxex what the last scum should've done is shoot into the town core. Perhaps Bae rolecopped Volxex? Besides that kill just seems bad, but NKA is bad and I always thought it was.

Anyone that wants to throw suspicion on somebody knows that this is the rational move to make. Keep volxen alive. Roster looked hella bad post-flip.

Ding ding ding. Exactly why I don't kill him!

So, the conclusion is that scum were afraid volxen was going to out them if he was kept alive. And then you check volxen's iso and notice his case is revolved around the fact that Baezu put maria as a scum lean but agreed she should be a protected by a PR on the first night, although he called her scum.

This is why I don't kill him. Killing a low poster who it makes no sense to nightkill. What are you gonna do first? Look at who they scumread. That points directly at me. As the last scum in the game you think I could've taken that risk over killing someone like tris who no one would be shocked at dying?

Your whole point on me being 'worried' about a scumread on me is adorable. You can check any game of mine and know I am not scared of scumreads on me ever. But you didn't know that so you're forgiven.
Anything else you wanna try?

[MariaR]

Now then where were we? Oh right.
VOTE: Vedith

[MariaR]

I'm a doctor. I was on ofrhz n1.
N2 tris.

[MariaR]

Wait

Theres not a JK and a doctor in the same setup gg ez

Wow if it was only that simple huh.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Elbirn
Here's what we do. It's 1 scum left (prob a strongman if the jk/doctor are real)
I doc the jailer
jailer roleblocks people in the poe.

[MariaR]

Elbirn is my guess for scum if it's not invis/vedith everyone else feels town.

[MariaR]

Says the one who lost us a ml (B

[MariaR]

Says the one who lost us a ml (B

What even is this

I doc'd the kill

[MariaR]

Elbirn
Enigma
Vedith

Role block here lynch another roleblock again should be a win
Elbirin>Vedith>Enigma but I rly think it's just Elbirin or Vedith

[MariaR]

Elbirn
Enigma
Vedith

Role block here lynch another roleblock again should be a win
Elbirin>Vedith>Enigma but I rly think it's just Elbirin or Vedith

You somehow scumreading me is how I know you're scum but that's okay you cant help it

You act like you're towny for some reason when your votes have been horrible all game. But don't worry we'll get that fixed real quick

[MariaR]

Even if he's fake claiming and scum he's mech locked into losing so it's fine.

[MariaR]

You do realise I'm dead regardless and she can use that as an excuse to trick you. She needed me alive for only 1 night. She's a smart player and knows she can kill me and then say "I can't heal 2 nights in a row". It's true. So I'll die regardless and you won't know her alignment only if you lynch her. Which I don't think you will.

But I can heal 2 nights in a row so I can be on you forever~
What's your next excuse to lynch me. Go on, tell me~

[MariaR]

I'ma catch up tomorrow promise

[MariaR]

Feels good being right on my d1 scumread. So we just lynch tris and jail engima
I'll wait for insom to come in here and conf.

[MariaR]

I agree, but no harm in waiting just in case.

[MariaR]

VOTE: Tris

[MariaR]

I could've doctor'd the night kill target of course. I did doc Elbirn but I still don't think that changes the lynch target atm

[MariaR]

I want Elbirn to rolecop Enigma. If he comes back Vanilla I think insom is the likely scum here.
Btw Enigma if you are town and insom is scum he has to nk and give us a free ml. so we're fine

[MariaR]

Here's what happens. When Elbirn rolecops everyone and we find no strongman that means more people are clear.

[MariaR]

Me and Vedith are already lock clear because Vedith isn't a strongman and I'm a doctor.
Elbrin and insom are on Enigma. If I'm killed that means it's a cc between Elbrin and insom


So at worst it's f4 with a cc between a jailkeeper and a rolecop if tris isn't scum

[MariaR]

Lol wait we threw auto win.
The correct play was nl here ffs

[MariaR]

No, because I don't know if my action failed or not. The only reason I can think of my 'loyal' modifier being in the game is that you're in it tbh

[MariaR]

Vedith was jailed and there was a kill on his night. The only way that could happen is if he's a strongman. So he's clear.

[MariaR]

Every role besides your own is conf claim wise
Elb has to be a role cop and he's obv not lying about his results

[MariaR]

There's only 1 scum... So he's either town not lying or if he's scum and is lying it's a clear regardless lol

[MariaR]

I'm gonna doc insom tonight obviously

[MariaR]

I had another part of my role that I kept using on you tris that would've outted you if you killed me so good call

[MariaR]

You don't wanna know how much I was fucking sweating with the doc fake claim on insom it could've gone so wrong but thankfully it paid off

[MariaR]

na it auto did it. I didn't really mind it being on insom because the back of my mind thought this was a super townsided set up and maybe insom is a scum jk. But yeah loyal babysitter is a ride

[MariaR]