Mini 2072: Timeshift Mafia IV [GAME OVER]

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VOTE: Latrodectus
After that fire game I don't think I can trust Ank ever again.

~Akarin

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VOTE: Latrodectus

yeah I wouldn't trust me either

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btw is it normal for hydras to get separate roles for each head?

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Alright, everyone claim your role immediately.

I'm a 2-Shot Ninja.

What is the rationale of this?

-b

How likely do you (b head) think it is that Something_Smart is actually a 2-shot Ninja?

~Akarin

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we already knew that ari

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im sold

VOTE: Mephistophanes 39

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I'm the hydra encryptor for this head

my notably more sane half apparently can choose to enable my encryptor role but it kills me the next night so idk about that

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I have come from the FUTURE. I'm a time traveler that was shifted into the past, here to inform you:
If you don't follow me and this vote, in the future, WE LOSE.
VOTE: Mephistophanes 39

Such a missed opportunity for a Terminator reference.

~Akarin

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VOTE: RainbowReads

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I’d like to interact more with SS before I answer that question

How about now?

~Akarin

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this game is exciting

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If it makes the game more interesting, I could pretend to be my alts all game! =)

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VOTE: mephisto

Because of THE FUTURE?

or something else?

~Akarin

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uhhhhhhh

mastina

do you have a post restriction or are you just trolling?

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Hey TL,

VOTE: mephisto

Because of THE FUTURE?

or something else?

~Akarin

Because TL told me to!

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Mastina, never stop trolling

~A

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Okay VOTE: rightodude

~A

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now where's my psychiatrist?

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Hello! We have had a change of heart!

We are no longer a deadly spider! We are now a very nice spider that would like nothing more than for everybody to be happy!

Yay! =)

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I don't know what to say tho. This game is so jokey atm I'm actually at a loss.

You don't think there's anything to comment on? (๑•﹏•)⋆* ⁑⋆*

~A

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Wait.

Wait.

Wait.

So you're telling me Mastina is

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from the future?????????????????????????

~A

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btw is it normal for hydras to get separate roles for each head?

I am very sad that nobody answered this question! =)

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I feel there is good odds that light_ganski is scum!
Mephistophanes 39 also is leaning scum for page four!

Rosterfoster is leaning town, but I do not believe his vote on rightodude is necessarily a good vote!
TTTT being so serious through the shitposting right away rings town to me!

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Ceejayvinoya might be scum!

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Time Devil is town! =)

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UNVOTE: Rightodude

The wagon composition and the location of the specific names on that wagon makes it likely that Rightodude is town! =)

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Hello! I am caught up! =)

TTTT is very likely town!
Rosterfoster is likely town!

Thanks to these two reads and my concurrent scumreads on ceejayvinoya and Light_Ganski, the Rosterfoster->TTTT->ceejayvinoya->Light_Ganski ordering on the Rightodude wagon is suspicious! I also personally believe that Rightodude looks much more like LHF than scum at the current moment!

Mastina can go either way! I only have memories of seeing her troll like this as scum, but this is far from conclusive nor a confident read! I believe this is much more likely to be NAI. Regardless, her current vote is good, which is enough for a leantown read for this current point in the game! =)

Mephistophanes has pinged me a few times! Ari's original vote onto RC was not a good vote, and Nancy trying to pull the suspicion off of that post while still townreading the slot that pushed it feels agenda-driven!
Time_Devil is likely town! It's quite standard for their posting to feel incredibly awkward and I believe that specific point is NAI, but the suspicion on the Aristophanes vote on RC is quite good!

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The wagon composition and the location of the specific names on that wagon makes it likely that Rightodude is town! =)

It's awfully early to be making a read like this...

You must not know who Alacrity is! =)

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Hello Light!

How well do you know RC? =)

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Hello Light!

How well do you know RC? =)

Not very well; I've played with him once or twice but it was a loooooong time ago

Then you may be forgiven for not knowing why purposely trying to ruffle RC's feathers is a scummy move! =)

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Oh my, I forgot to vote! =(

VOTE: Light_Ganski

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I wonder! =)

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Hello Nancy! =)

I feel there is good odds that light_ganski is scum!
Mephistophanes 39 also is leaning scum for page four!

Rosterfoster is leaning town, but I do not believe his vote on rightodude is necessarily a good vote!
TTTT being so serious through the shitposting right away rings town to me!

3/4 good reads aren’t too bad but it still kind of sucks that you can’t read me. :/

Would it help if this post was made at the end of page four? =)

Hello! I am caught up! =)

TTTT is very likely town!
Rosterfoster is likely town!

Thanks to these two reads and my concurrent scumreads on ceejayvinoya and Light_Ganski, the Rosterfoster->TTTT->ceejayvinoya->Light_Ganski ordering on the Rightodude wagon is suspicious! I also personally believe that Rightodude looks much more like LHF than scum at the current moment!

Mastina can go either way! I only have memories of seeing her troll like this as scum, but this is far from conclusive nor a confident read! I believe this is much more likely to be NAI. Regardless, her current vote is good, which is enough for a leantown read for this current point in the game! =)

Mephistophanes has pinged me a few times! Ari's original vote onto RC was not a good vote, and Nancy trying to pull the suspicion off of that post while still townreading the slot that pushed it feels agenda-driven!
Time_Devil is likely town! It's quite standard for their posting to feel incredibly awkward and I believe that specific point is NAI, but the suspicion on the Aristophanes vote on RC is quite good!

I sincerely hope this isn’t the Ank head making this post. Tell me what game, I haven’t done this? I’ll wait.

Would you say that in context of your slot's entire trajectory, it does not look quite strange? =)

An lolwagon by itself for RVS is not strange, but it would be quite easy and low risk to begin a wagon and see if it will gain traction due to the early state of the game! The part that is most relevant to me, however, is that it looks innocent enough on the surface to not be suspicious if the wagon does indeed take off and the paranoia begins. In addition, Aristophanes later posted that the game has had too much joke content for him to parse effectively, followed by you later coming in and trying to defend the initial vote when it garnered suspicion! =)

Add those three together, and you get quite an interesting picture, indeed!

Hello Light!

How well do you know RC? =)

Not very well; I've played with him once or twice but it was a loooooong time ago

Then you may be forgiven for not knowing why purposely trying to ruffle RC's feathers is a scummy move! =)

Oh give me a freaking break! God. Now you’re insulting RC here. RC’s “feathers” weren’t ruffled because unlike you apparently, he actually has a sense of humour and knew it wasn’t a serious push. If it had been, you can bet money, he would have said something about it.

I don’t like this post because you’re way overreacting to something that you’d know RC wouldn’t and he didn’t, so my point proven. RC doesn’t need you whiteknighting him over something this ridiculous.

Do you believe that there is no chance that the initial push would gain traction, and then eventually it would turn serious for no other reason than it is RC who is being wagoned?

There is such a thing as planting a seed in somebody's mind, and that is the primary way that paranoia becomes a problem in games! =)

P.edit. Does RC get upset at a REAL wagon on him? Of course but he doesn’t get upset at a joke wagon and neither would I - well at least not since Necromancer anyhow.

It’s low level pinging me how much of a federal case Lactodectrus is making out of essentially nothing. RC never gets upset over a joke wagon on him and I don’t believe for one minute, that they seriously believe otherwise.

You are criticizing me for, in your view, making a situation much larger than it actually is, yet I placed my vote elsewhere entirely and left my read of your slot as 'a few pings.'

There is quite some time for me to form a full read on your slot, but you specifically going full tilt on my initial scumlean on your slot is quite concerning when the majority of it is from content that your hydra partner has posted. =(

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I don't understand all the anger at Mastina. She is the most fun person in this game right now and despite the strange writing style that's common in THE FUTURE, she's posting actual reads and thoughts, not hiding behind it. Does everyone hate fun? Is that what leads us to this dark FUTURE timeline?????

~A

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Also something that seemed odd about Light is the emphasis on Righto being a lolwagon. It got to L-2 and there were actual reasons to vote there, Light was big on emphasizing the lolrandomness of it, but that was the end of RVS and there were reasons for that wagon, and Light voted after we got on right after Righto had made another nothing post.

That was really your thought process on replacing in, FB?

(￣～￣;)

~A

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i just got a ban for harassing and insulting mastina. do you want to open that can of worms or maybe leave it on the table?

It's not anyone else's fault you harassed or insulted Mastina.

Try being nice to people next time!

~A

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ur poking a hornets nest and u should probably stop

You should probable stop threatening to be a bad person because someone wants to talk about the game.

Be nice!

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You are the one being mean here, I'm talking about the game!

People's reactions to Mastina are relevant.

You don't get to just veto entire topics of discussion because you can't act nice.

You are not a hornet's nest, you are a person who has agency. You are the only one who controls your actions. So act like a grown up and play nice.

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Hello! Let's keep this pleasant, okay? =)

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Hello Firebringer!

What are your current thoughts in their entirety? =)

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alright, I'm going to drop the Alacrity act for one post.

Fire, you really need to chill. My hydra partner was specifically looking for reactions from people about mastina because she thinks that the way people have been treating her is AI and wants to test that theory. It was not directed to you specifically and was not in reference to the ban in any way, shape or form. I honestly don't care about the ban at all, that's between you two and the administration to figure out.

277 was very unnecessary under this light and I hope you understand why I'm really disappointed in you.

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It doesn't matter anymore anyway, once it became a

thing

no one was going to say anything useful.

And for the record the first I heard about this ban was when it was brought up in the game. And I didn't go read the ban post until a minute ago.

The character we decided on for the hydra probably hurt that interaction, made it sound more passive aggressive, but those few posts really set me off in a pretty personal way and it's not something I could let lie. I do not care about your ban, FB. I deeply care about being told off for bringing up a legitimate topic about a game and that specific sort of excuse for bad behavior.

I'll stay out of thread for a bit.

~A

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Ank said something because I spammed up our hydra thread

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see you guys tomorrow

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@Light: your 224 questions are all to my other head but collectively we are debating Mephisto it's not a definite scumread.

Your shading that as fence sitting is (￢_￢) though

Are you saying you toneread Mastina as scum? and that should be more important than her actual reads and votes? because that's kind of bizarre

scumreading ceejay and you doesn't mean we're convinced you are a team, so

You think scum!me chose to jump on an RVS wagon immediately after my buddy?

is pretty bogus

Not sure where her roster read in that post came from, we haven't discussed that one beyond her making that comment, so can't respond there, but taking the time to address these one by one, I get why she skipped on responding to your 224

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TD, she's joking around

~A

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TTTT, could you clarify your 124 (it's quoted in the spoiler), were you still wanting to lynch Righto at that time? And were you at least a smidge serious in 113?

Anyway, in response to Light bringing this continuously, I'll just dump the whole chunk of game

Spoiler: The lolwagon, HUGE, only useful for rereading while thinking about the rightowagon

I'm checking in! didn't realise that the game started but rainbow reads HAS to be town. look at that text

Hey look this is scum.

VOTE: Righttodude

There is a recent thread in MD about newb scum greeting people like this

what I meant to write was...


Okay town, it's time to get serious. After carefully reviewing the Mephistophanes 39 wagon, I've determined that it's nonsense. I can't say for a certain fact that he's town, but he's definitely not mafia. The wagon being built on him is clearly designed by relatively intelligent scum getting bad towns to sheep them. If you're town, you need to get off of it now. I haven't lookd into the RC wagon in the same detail, but at first glance it appears to be the same. Now, given this, I can conlcude with a high degree of probability that the mafia has day chat.

Now, while lynching ceejay is unequivocally the right option, since we're nearing the deadline I would be willling to lynch my weaker scumread Righttodude.

VOTE: Righttodude

Join this wagon.

As a leading authority on ceejay, I can say that lynching ceejay is definitely not the right option. I, however, am willing to support you on your endeavour to lynch your scumread.

VOTE: Rightodude

Righto is scum. Join us!

Righto is scum. Join us!

I mean, I kinda believe it. But a case would be nice

I'm checking in! didn't realise that the game started but rainbow reads HAS to be town. look at that text

Hey look this is scum.

VOTE: Righttodude

can't you agree that rainbow's text is godly.

This is your case.

Okay RC is utterly terrible. If it weren't for the obvscum wagon on Righttodude I would definitely scumread him, but it's pretty clear he's just bad town. I would strenuously ask rosterfoster and the other town on him to move their votes off.

Time Devil is still a fine lynch.

Pretty sure this is James3 memeing

I’m slightly confused right now. My head is hurting
/vote for me to get a psychiatrist

Okay VOTE: rightodude

~A

now where's my psychiatrist?

I also require a psychiatrist VOTE: rightodude

I guess we're destined to repeat the mistakes of the FUTURE, if mastina cannot tell us the scum we originally failed to kill

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Hey look this is scum.

VOTE: Righttodude

Righto is scum. Join us!

Please explain your Righto case to me. Thanks.

I don't get the wagon on Rightodude, not much info besides a townlock on RC which seems sudden since that's his opening post (95). It scumpings me, but not enough for me to L-1.

Mephistophanes seems to think mastina is scum, and I think 192 doesn't get the point across (I don't see the connection).

Yahmose's "can kill" claim doesn't sit right with me, especially considering 181. (probably scum, if Yahmose is a scum!vig we're doomed)

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VOTE: rightodude

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I feel there is good odds that light_ganski is scum!
Mephistophanes 39 also is leaning scum for page four!

Rosterfoster is leaning town, but I do not believe his vote on rightodude is necessarily a good vote!
TTTT being so serious through the shitposting right away rings town to me!

UNVOTE: Rightodude

The wagon composition and the location of the specific names on that wagon makes it likely that Rightodude is town! =)

L-2

Hello! I am caught up! =)

TTTT is very likely town!
Rosterfoster is likely town!

Thanks to these two reads and my concurrent scumreads on ceejayvinoya and Light_Ganski, the Rosterfoster->TTTT->ceejayvinoya->Light_Ganski ordering on the Rightodude wagon is suspicious! I also personally believe that Rightodude looks much more like LHF than scum at the current moment!

Mastina can go either way! I only have memories of seeing her troll like this as scum, but this is far from conclusive nor a confident read! I believe this is much more likely to be NAI. Regardless, her current vote is good, which is enough for a leantown read for this current point in the game! =)

Mephistophanes has pinged me a few times! Ari's original vote onto RC was not a good vote, and Nancy trying to pull the suspicion off of that post while still townreading the slot that pushed it feels agenda-driven!
Time_Devil is likely town! It's quite standard for their posting to feel incredibly awkward and I believe that specific point is NAI, but the suspicion on the Aristophanes vote on RC is quite good!

I don't get the wagon on Rightodude, not much info besides a townlock on RC which seems sudden since that's his opening post (95). It scumpings me, but not enough for me to L-1.

rightodude is a lolwagon but they're probably town in hindsight

UNVOTE:

L-3

There’s a wagon on me for making a meme post.
Thanks Obama.
I’ll just ignore the fact that there’s going to be a lynch on me. I can tell you right now that you will regret lynching me.
I’m not claiming D1 because that’s dumb.

Very bad response to a lolwagon.

For a start it's uncommon for an early D1 wagon to lead to a lynch anyway,

especially

one most of us joined for the lolz. And no one would expect a claim at L-3, just out of RVS

This seems like a fake overreaction and a bad attempt at faking a PR slip

This is starting to feel more like a case on Light than context around the wagon and no one other than me is going to read this giant wall of quotes anyway. Anyway, lolwagon is a pretty strong dismissal of this, and Light keeps repeating it and emphasizing it and it doesn't have to be the most serious wagon of all time for that to be suspicious.

Also, chalk me up as also scumreading

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now that I look at this again. Didn't realize it got to L-1 for a moment there before my partner unvoted.

~A

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those are both james3 posts
names used do not represent accurate portrayals of real people living or dead

So you just plugged names in entirely at random?
~A

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I think so because town usually either gives a reason or claims to be sheeping.

I think I, for one, naked vote more as town than as scum. As town my attitude is "I'll do what I want, idc what people think" whereas as scum I don't want to be put on the defensive.

Just because town always HAS a reason for voting (and this is true of scum too, although it's not always true that scum have a reason they'd be willing to share) doesn't mean they'll always SAY it.

This, I've naked voted as town plenty of times, it's more a playstyle thing.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I am glad Mastina really came back from THE FUTURE to save us, I was worried it was a joke but this game is going to be so much easier now.

(⌐■_■)

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haha nancy thought I posted @her

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ok for real though I'll get recaught up later today

I'm handling other stuff offsite

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Fire was ceejay slot right? Can you explain why you initially sr that slot? That would help, thanks. We are 100% flipping town here Ank, you can lock it in.

I'm not Ank, so she may need to revise later but yes Fire is ceejay and that was Ank's read, and I don't get the impression it was that strong. It's not something we really talked about, she just mentioned it in the catchup.

At this point FB provieds so much more to go off of and I'm still pretty tilted on that and Ank's been busy.

My response was more in regard to Light's question being pretty bizarre.

~A

... people keep posting things! ヽ(‵﹏´)ノ

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This game is not interesting.

VOTE: LG

You’re voting light because you’re bored?

It's technically a reason. Do you townread that more than a naked vote?

~A

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Also for latrodectus: can you answer the questions I asked you in 224 RE your views (barring the rc one you already answered, ty), please and thank you

@Latrodectus

Hello! I am caught up! =)

TTTT is very likely town!
Rosterfoster is likely town!

rosterfoster yeah, but I'm gonna paraphrase TTTT himself and ask: what has he done that's alignment indicative at this point? I can't see anything

I thought TTTT was really town for the way he handled the initial townread on him

that's usually the type of thing that I specifically look for when I purposely play to not look very town early in the game, so him following that same thought process and then ending up with a 'concrete' (somewhat) read at the end of it looks like a confident sorting thought process

Thanks to these two reads and my concurrent scumreads on ceejayvinoya and Light_Ganski, the Rosterfoster->TTTT->ceejayvinoya->Light_Ganski ordering on the Rightodude wagon is suspicious! I also personally believe that Rightodude looks much more like LHF than scum at the current moment!

I mean, RVS wagon, but the speed at which it went makes me concur that he's probably town

You think scum!me chose to jump on an RVS wagon immediately after my buddy?

that's less a "you two are SvS" type read and more a "I can see scum in that part of the wagon and I'm not townreading any of the slots in that area" read

as a general rule of thumb, I don't specifically think people are necessarily linked unless I specifically say so, I'm much more often looking for scum presence than anything otherwise.

Mastina can go either way! I only have memories of seeing her troll like this as scum, but this is far from conclusive nor a confident read! I believe this is much more likely to be NAI. Regardless, her current vote is good, which is enough for a leantown read for this current point in the game! =)

I've played one game with mastina, in it I townread her (and was right) but she was mislynched. This is early on and she was a replacement in that game but tonally she was nothing like this then; why is her vote more alignment indicative that her tone?

considering I think her tone is outright NAI in most case, it's hard for the vote to be LESS alignment indicative than her tone

but I will also state that I think her vote on you specifically is probably town-indicative since we generally end up synced at some point when we are both town, so her voting you before I can catch up and state a scumread on your slot is more town indicative than not

Mephistophanes has pinged me a few times! Ari's original vote onto RC was not a good vote, and Nancy trying to pull the suspicion off of that post while still townreading the slot that pushed it feels agenda-driven!

To me the RC vote looks like early game silliness more than anything else. Is this an explicit scumread or are you sitting on the fence?

why are you focusing on the vote

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Spoiler:

While Mephistophanes 39 was scum in the FUTURE before it changed, light_ganski is just scummy.

Mephistophanes was NEVER scum in THE FUTURE.

However, they were MISLYNCHED on SUSPICION of being scum D3.

I fully SUPPORT a wagon on light_ganski.

I'm going to counter that. Here's a case on why Mastina doesn't come from the FUTURE, and therefore is scum for lying and controlling votes.

I have come from the FUTURE. I'm a time traveler that was shifted into the past, here to inform you:
If you don't follow me and this vote, in the future, WE LOSE.
VOTE: Mephistophanes 39

This post heavily implies Mephistophanes 39 is scum in the FUTURE.

I guess we're destined to repeat the mistakes of the FUTURE, if mastina cannot tell us the scum we originally failed to kill

I have TOLD you to pursue Mephistophanes.

Is that not ENOUGH?

If that wasn't enough, this post is explicit confirmation that Mephistophanes 39 is scum in the FUTURE.

Here is a piece of info for you: I do, indeed, possess a killing ability.
Make of that what you will.

I was hoping that THIS TIME through, this piece of information would not be revealed. Alas.

UNVOTE: Mephistophanes
I owe an explanation; I chose my words here carefully.
ORIGINALLY, Mephistophanes was the D3 mislynch, out of paranoia. This lynch was spearheaded by me, and was my largest REGRET. It was a QUICKLYNCH, because Mephistophanes had failed to obvtown in those three days, and lingering suspicions had grown on them.

My attempt to wagon them THIS TIME was meant as a way of kickstarting their obvtown status.
Since the future has CHANGED as a result of this, I'm not CERTAIN I succeeded...but it LOOKS like I have.

They are TOWN, and I hope the towncred generated today is enough to last the game.

I have more information to SHARE from THE FUTURE, but I need to PLAN CAREFULLY now that this type of deception has been exposed.

This post indicates that the FUTURE has CHANGED, so while Mephistophanes was scum in the FUTURE, now they are town in the FUTURE.

While Mephistophanes 39 was scum in the FUTURE before it changed, light_ganski is just scummy.

Mephistophanes was NEVER scum in THE FUTURE.

However, they were MISLYNCHED on SUSPICION of being scum D3.

I fully SUPPORT a wagon on light_ganski.

Quoting this post again as it contradicts the earlier posts quoted here. This post states that Mephistophanes 39 was NEVER scum in the FUTURE.

VOTE: mastina

-TL

TL

can I have some of what you're smoking please

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so when people notice mastina is roleplaying, and then her vote turns of mephistanes, ur natural conclusion is that she is lying about the future stuff which normal people like me would say is roleplaying, and instead is lying and therefore scum.

that is what ur going with?

okay I get the idea u are willfully clueless on what reads are or what controlling the votes is not much different than trying to rally votes and how that isn't unusual.

fire

is this manipulative tone normal for you, because I don't think I've ever seen it before.

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VOTE: light_ganski

Way too much emphasis on righto being a “lolwagon”, without any real justification. I think it’s all predicated on discrediting righto and pushing their probable mislynch.

uhhhhhhh

lol

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oh wait actually ignore that

I'm getting the righto and RC wagons mixed up

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how is that manipulative?

your entire ISO is snarky but not THAT level of snarky

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the actual answer is also something that is hard to put into a post

applied to both heads, when I've read them off of my gut read I've been dead on. I bailed ND39 out in MD (though I did have strong lingering doubts about her and intended to play around her being scum) because I thought intellectually it was unlikely she would do a few things as scum. She was still scum and I felt it in my gut. I kept discrediting Nimueh townreads in NSG's game even though I was never confident enough to go after her because intellectually her response to GL could have been a SvS interaction even though she didn't feel scummy. Same goes for Ari who I have accurately gutread over a very large number of games and only once screwed up on when I decided to abandon my gut read and "think" that he was town b/c he was posting too much to be scum.

this is all a very roundabout way of saying that I gutread both of their posting scum and I don't think that I'm ever wrong on that gutread.

solitaire Mafia sounds like a shitty game
have fun

it is a pretty shitty game. but the expectation of me right now is that I play solitaire mafia and then I get lynched if my solitaire mafia performance wasn't good enough.
does this interaction with me

actually

change your read on me no matter how it goes? because I strongly suspect based on past precedence the answer is no.

just to be certain

this has very little to do with specific actions and more to do with how they're approaching the game/tone/other abstract etc. thing/etc.?

I didn't read enough of newsroom to understand the nimueh scumread but I somewhat distantly remember you derailing the nancy wagon in MD (I think it was for emotional cues but I don't 100% remember)

I want a basis for following you on this because even with my leanscum read on that slot, I'm very hesitant to pull the trigger on that since I've hit this point with her before

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i don't think u answered that question there.

it reads like you're exaggerating the snark in order to shut down that entire thought process

I don't agree with that read either but I've never seen this type of response from you in any game so far

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VOTE: Mephistophanes 39

ew

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fire

legitimately

are you scum?

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One little fly in this ointment Sherlock,

we’re never scum here and this had better be a fucking reaction test.

wat

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VOTE: Firebringer

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I am like 60-70% sure she is scum, but you know she could jsut be adopting her town playstyle better now than before. Ankamius not picking up these habits worries me also since she thinks she is better at reading nancy and all these are red flags for me.

what the actual fuck is this?

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Why? He's been lightening my day.

I haven't thought a single one of his interactions with anybody all game were town

especially the S_S one

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yes she was pinging me

but I find it very unlikely you two are scumpartners and I'm scumreading you harder.

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I have had very similar interactions with town-him in the past so I don't know where you're getting that from

link me?

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you can bite me bb

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what am I explaining exactly?

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asl;dfkjasl;dfjalsk;djflakjsdkl;fj;

/fart

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copping me is always a bad idea

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and I honestly expect u as town to be skeptical of my claim here. The fact ur not is also worrisome.

asl;dfkjasl;dfjalsk;djflakjsdkl;fj;

/fart

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idk why you expect me to really want to try this game

and no, I really don't care about your claim because it's either self-resolving over time or scum!you will fuck yourself over with it eventually

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idk why you expect me to really want to try this game

and no, I really don't care about your claim because it's either self-resolving over time or scum!you will fuck yourself over with it eventually

okay then leave if ur bored.

I am not gonna have u around doing ur "ohh I don't really care" thing I saw u do in Fire on the Mountain. That won't fly.

you... understand why I chose that approach in that game, right?

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(hint: I specifically brought up anuket because that game legitimately destroyed a large chunk of my town spirit)

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you... understand why I chose that approach in that game, right?

no, I don't really care.

And I can actually see a huge parallel to how u treated me and how u treated Enter that game

and I think u expected a completely different reaction from me when u called me scum.

wat

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looks like a

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pagetop!

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okay, I'm just going to spell this out for you right now fire:

1. in what universe would I treat town!Enter and town!Firebringer the same way, considering that I was aware beforehand that Enter is pocketable because he just wants me to agree with him and I already knew for months before now that you will take any opportunity you can to fight?
2. I was only 'paranoid' of Enter on day three, it was literally impossible for me to not locktown him the moment he did his reach out because I'm well aware of how bad his scumgame is.

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Do you actually want to continue talking about this because I don't think this will help either of us read the other, because I know it won't alleviate my concerns about u. So unless you think this will help u with ur read on me. I want to focus on other things.

VOTE: Firebringer

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See I just don't believe u scumread me. Null read me? Probably. Town read me? Maybe.
Scumread me? No. That don't register.

asl;dfkjasl;dfjalsk;djflakjsdkl;fj;

/fart

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VOTE: Rightodude

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actually

VOTE: TTTT

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VC 1.10 (5/3/19)

Mephistophanes 39 [LYNCH]

Yahmose, Prince of Renais, Rainbow Reads, Rightodude, Rosterfoster, Time Devil, Firebringer

Latrodectus [L-7]

TTTT [L-7]

Mastina [L-7]

Rainbow Reads [L-7]

Light_ganski [L-5]

Mastina, TTTT

Time Devil [L-7]

Rightodude [L-7]

Rosterfoster [L-7]

Firebringer [L-5]

Mephistophanes 39, Latrodectus

Yahmose [L-7]

Prince of Renais [L-7]

Something_Smart [L-7]

No Lynch [L-7]

Not Voting [2]

Something_Smart, Light_Ganski

Deadline is 9am on Wednesday 5/8. That is in (expired on 2019-05-08 09:00:00).

We have a lynch...flip incoming.

V/LAs:
None.

A lot of the sketchy slots are on the Mephistophanes lynchwagon; most likely two of these are scum since they're all also really clustered together right in the middle-end of the wagon.

Scum are also likely trying to coast throughout the game based on the general activity of the game and how little attention people have been getting for their amount of activity, and it's relatively low risk to help RC push through his wagon partially because the wagon composition is normally fairly low information when it's RC-led, and partially because there's more risk in outright disobeying RC and potentially drawing his ire (and attention, which the gamestate is helping them avoid).

Rainbow Reads -> Rightodude -> Rosterfoster -> Time Devil is a hilariously bad wagon progression in this light, but it's still far too risky for scum to be piling on completely in order to push this wagon through since the momentum was more than enough to do the job for them.

so there's one scum outside of the wagon, most likely.

It's obviously not us.
Mephistophanes and Light are flipped.
I think Something_Smart is likely town due to tone mainly, I also don't think he's ever scum in his interactions with Firebringer
Mastina is sortable through other methods, but in general I think that slot is probably town anyways thanks to her overall approach to the game; I don't feel like she's been trying to set things up and I haven't had enough of a presence to where she would feel the need to react around me either

so TTTT is the only slot left that has good odds of flipping scum outside of the wagon.

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ftr I scumread rightodude more than TTTT atm but I don't think a rightodude scumflip really helps town

[Latrodectus]

Latrodectus
Yahmose
Firebringer
Fuscosco
Something_Smart
Mastina

I'm pretty sure scum aren't in those slots in 90+% of scenarios

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btw

TTTT's activity when he's been around has been pretty non-solvey in general, he fluffed around at the start of the game with the James3 stuff and his interactions with RC are really strange when you look back at them (especially the "I can't read you but your case will help me read mephisto")

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it would be awfully convenient to have all three scum pushing me: Mastina, Ank, Time Devil. Probably wrong about at least one. Scum don't mass rush me they side push me sometimes but not like this.

I am probably paranoid.

btw fire

you're right, scum wouldn't mass rush you in this game.

this directly assumes that most of the uninvested players are town and yet the scumteam are putting a massive risk in trying to push one of the most active players who had just claimed a role that by it's nature shouldn't be lynched that day

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249 from latedous is kind of crap, in a scummy way. its pushing all the wrong kinds of points imo

just to be sure

you know that was me addressing concerns and not pushing, right?

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TL your entire red line is town.

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I would warn against SR’img TD for saying weird shit. It’s Lich.

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this game is a slog

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her approach

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she claimed and didn't use it to try to get townread, she claimed and spewed that she didn't care how she looked.

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To be more relevant to the slot I dont have a single read either way on - Thats a weakish reason to TR or SR somebody.

considering Yahmose's general skill level, that's actually a lot more convincing of a reason than it would be for others

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A lot of the sketchy slots are on the Mephistophanes lynchwagon; most likely two of these are scum since they're all also really clustered together right in the middle-end of the wagon.

Why can't it be all three?

If it helps on the ORIGINAL Mephistophanes mislynch it WASN'T all of those names.

Scum are also likely trying to coast throughout the game based on the general activity of the game and how little attention people have been getting for their amount of activity, and it's relatively low risk to help RC push through his wagon partially because the wagon composition is normally fairly low information when it's RC-led, and partially because there's more risk in outright disobeying RC and potentially drawing his ire (and attention, which the gamestate is helping them avoid).

Nobody fits the description of "trying to coast" better than rightodude. Close second, Rainbow Reads. The others on the wagon have done content, which I admit does include even Firebringer.

so TTTT is the only slot left that has good odds of flipping scum outside of the wagon.

And WHEN he DOESN'T, what then? TRUST ME, this is a MISTAKE.

all three being on is the second most likely possibility, yes.

that's one of the reasons I want to flip TTTT today rather than lynch on the wagon, it's a slot that is likely to be scum as well as gives the extra info on whether there really is three scum on the wagon or not; flipping a scum on the wagon doesn't give that same level of information and I don't think any other slot outside the mephisto wagon has good odds of being scum outside of really bizarre circumstances.

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ftr I scumread rightodude more than TTTT atm but I don't think a rightodude scumflip really helps town

NORMALLY, I would agree with you, on information > scumflip. But ORIGINALLY, we lost in large part due to that mindset. So THIS TIME, let's not repeat the MISTAKES we made and instead focus on LYNCHING SCUM.

um

what

TTTT is my second strongest scumread

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Mephistophanes 39 [L-4]

Mastina, Time Devil, Yahmose

Rightodude [L-2]

Rosterfoster, TTTT, Ceejayvinoya, Latrodectus, Light_Ganski

Rightodude [L-3]

Rosterfoster, TTTT, Firebringer, Rainbow Reads

Latrodectus, ORIGINALLY, I failed to ask you this: What do you make of the D1 wagon on rightodude, as you--like me--see him as suspect?

Did you come to the same conclusion I did?

(My conclusion has NOT CHANGED from scum having THOUGHT that he was obvscum and bussing him, with both buddies present on the wagon at least at

some

point in time.)

yeah there's very good odds scum were bussing righto; that actually increases Rainbow Reads' scum equity for the vote location when you account for the Mastina/Latrodectus/Mephistophanes 39 wagon on Light_Ganski at the time, there's a good chunk of towncred to be gained from that

but the other thing it also shows is that if scum have any PRs, it's probably not on rightodude.

or, even if rightodude IS a PR, the towncred gain and gamestate shift from him flipping is worth more than having that PR

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mmmmmmmm

actually I don't think Roster + TTTT can be scum together, I think it's really dissonant for both of them to park on their scumpartner for so long while other wagons are forming and gaining momentum (read: light_ganski) and yet not really do anything the entire time.

that's the sort of play that just looks so awful and I don't think there's such a lack of skill in that scumteam that they'd do something that ridiculous while not trying to push that wagon through entirely.

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what are your reads on TTTT and rightodude

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@Latro
if you could sign your posts it'd be helpful

akarin hasn't posted in days

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Roster + TTTT can be scum together

Its an independent read on them from this end. Their wagons will be good for the game, scumbuds or not.

read the post again

I really don't think they're partners

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To be more relevant to the slot I dont have a single read either way on - Thats a weakish reason to TR or SR somebody.

considering Yahmose's general skill level, that's actually a lot more convincing of a reason than it would be for others

I dont follow, but their iso indicates they arent new.

I know who they are

they are absolutely not new to mafia but they're not known for being particularly good either

I can't really go into more without outing the alt because it's hard to explain without comparing to other games

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so how many pages of this are we going to have this game?

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always look for your own mistakes and correct them from game to game

done.

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so

yahmose

what are your reads atm

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mastina is not the type of person that would shoot a mislynch target as scum, regardless of whether they'd be a PR or not

she would shoot either this slot or maybe firebringer's N1

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then there you go

latrodectus 100% dies night 1 if mastina is scum

that's enough evidence that she's town

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...no

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should I point you to the dozen times she posted in discord that I'm a N1 kill for her over virtually everybody else?

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No u.

I really don’t like how most of the reads this game have been solely based on meta.

People are aware of these things and can manipulate them.

what reads have been based on meta

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mastina is not the type of person that would shoot a mislynch target as scum, regardless of whether they'd be a PR or not

she would shoot either this slot or maybe firebringer's N1

Hey look.

Also there was a bunch of stuff earlier but I’m too lazy.

Ofc if you townread me based on meta you’re right <3. So keep doing that.

that's literally a read on her scum philosophy which really is no secret to anybody

she kills based on threat level and I'm first on the list because I literally hard-counter her just by existing

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people who can actually read me, most of which don't actually play anymore afaik

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mastina not shooting n1 is hilarious

in what universe does she ever do that?

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alright roster

do you think it's possible that a kill was submitted on this slot and that it failed?

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what?

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it's almost certain that a scumteam with mastina in it shoots us
there was no scumkill resolved n1 because scum shooting light is lolbad
we aren't a good doc target because we had very low presence and as stated before, fuscosco replaced into a spewed town slot
we aren't bulletproof
not shooting n1 is dumb as hell

what exactly is wrong with my reasoning that makes it 'fundamentally flawed'

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no yahmose is town like I've been saying for the last however many pages?

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the evidence that we weren't shot is that we're still alive?

your reasoning is literally just as much a stretch because you're not taking into account how the game has progressed and how specific things would have to happen in order for the scenario you're proposing to even be possible in the first place, which is a lot less likely than just "mastina is not scum and we weren't targeted for a kill"

like yeah it doesn't 100% clear her but it's a stronger argument than just about anything else atm

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i just realized something in this game.

if yahmose is town vigi.
that means this game has a 3 shot cop, a back up cop, and a vigi.

What the hell is this kind of power doing in this game?

the cop was also timeshifted, which is a pretty big nerf

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Game-Specific Rules – Timeshift Mafia IV
A. Actions will, by default, not be resolved until the next Night phase due to the Timeshift.

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oh wait

that might apply to factional abilities

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no, that just means we can't actually confirm anything until tomorrow

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Mastina can go either way! I only have memories of seeing her troll like this as scum, but this is far from conclusive nor a confident read! I believe this is much more likely to be NAI. Regardless, her current vote is good, which is enough for a leantown read for this current point in the game! =)

Mastina is sortable through other methods, but in general I think that slot is probably town anyways thanks to her overall approach to the game; I don't feel like she's been trying to set things up and I haven't had enough of a presence to where she would feel the need to react around me either

read my posts

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uhhhhh

Akarin posted in the hydra PT at some point that there were SKs in some of the other timeshift games

do you think she's an SK

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get rekt fire

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you do worse to me every day

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you're a weird question

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considering that she looks up to mastina highly, I could easily see her emulating mastina's general mindset of playing an SK like a vig

and I've seen her be this blatant about strong PRs in the past

soooooo

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Akarin hasn't posted here nor in the hydra PT since like Saturday

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hi I'm still on the superior wagon

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although now I would prefer rainbow reads over righto if I had to switch

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I hope the Yahmose replacement is interesting